From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 14 Jun 2000 01:38:16 -0000 Issue 43 Date: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 5:38 PM krnet Digest 14 Jun 2000 01:38:16 -0000 Issue 43 Topics (messages 953 through 975): net 953 by: Edwin Blocher Panel Planner Software 954 by: EagleGator.aol.com 961 by: virgnvs.juno.com 974 by: Betty & Donald Hamm Panel Planner Software gone 955 by: EagleGator.aol.com Re: wing skins 956 by: USAUS.aol.com Re: [KR> Panel Planner Software] 957 by: IMA FLYER Short field KR??? 958 by: Seifert, Richard E 959 by: Frank Ross 960 by: Mark Langford 962 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 963 by: Tom Crawford 964 by: Seifert, Richard E 965 by: Ed Janssen 968 by: virgnvs.juno.com 972 by: Seifert, Richard E 973 by: virgnvs.juno.com 975 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Hard landing 966 by: ROBERT COOPER VFR Flight Planning Software 967 by: The House of D's 969 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) I want to buy KR parts 970 by: Richard Parker Virginia EAA Fly-in 971 by: Donald Reid Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:44:26 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: net Message-ID: <000a01bfd40f$c1039a60$8385aec7@preinstalledcom> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFD3E5.D5A07EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Where-oh-where did everyone go? No messages for 5 days. Ed Ed Blocher Moody, AL mailto: kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFD3E5.D5A07EE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:37:58 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Panel Planner Software Message-ID: <4e.6bfcbad.2675a706@aol.com> I just restarted my project after about a 2 year hiatus, and came across the KRNet Panel Planner software that no one claimed when I posted that I was done with it. First person to ask for it (publicly, not privately) gets it, and everyone else can email him/her privately to get on the waiting list. I just rejoined the list tonight, in conjunction with the restart, so I'm looking forward to the inspiration! I'll update my web page as soon as I make some appreciable progress. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 08:54:45 -0700 To: EagleGator@aol.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Panel Planner Software Message-ID: <20000612.114514.-410243.1.virgnvs@juno.com> OK Let Virgil have it . Virgil N. Salisbury 5445 S.W. 89th Place Miami, Fl 33165-6624 On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:37:58 EDT EagleGator@aol.com writes: > I just restarted my project after about a 2 year hiatus, and came > across the > KRNet Panel Planner software that no one claimed when I posted that > I was > done with it. First person to ask for it (publicly, not privately) > gets it, > and everyone else can email him/her privately to get on the waiting > list. > > I just rejoined the list tonight, in conjunction with the restart, > so I'm > looking forward to the inspiration! I'll update my web page as soon > as I make > some appreciable progress. > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin > EagleGator@aol.com > St. Charles MO > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:27:18 -0700 To: , From: "Betty & Donald Hamm" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Panel Planner Software Message-ID: <000e01bfd565$03800d00$cab01c3f@oemcomputer> Please send me the flight planner as I am building my panel KR2 Thank You Don Hamm ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 8:54 AM Subject: Re: KR> Panel Planner Software > OK Let Virgil have it . > Virgil N. Salisbury > 5445 S.W. 89th Place > Miami, Fl 33165-6624 > > On Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:37:58 EDT EagleGator@aol.com writes: > > I just restarted my project after about a 2 year hiatus, and came > > across the > > KRNet Panel Planner software that no one claimed when I posted that > > I was > > done with it. First person to ask for it (publicly, not privately) > > gets it, > > and everyone else can email him/her privately to get on the waiting > > list. > > > > I just rejoined the list tonight, in conjunction with the restart, > > so I'm > > looking forward to the inspiration! I'll update my web page as soon > > as I make > > some appreciable progress. > > > > Cheers, > > Rick Junkin > > EagleGator@aol.com > > St. Charles MO > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:49:28 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Panel Planner Software gone Message-ID: Email Mike Mims (mikemims@home.com) to get on the list for the software, it's on its way to him tomorrow. Cheers, Rick Junkin, St. Louis MO EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 22:53:41 EDT To: johnjane@chc.net.au, krnet@mailinglists.org From: USAUS@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> wing skins Message-ID: <2f.675696b.2675aab5@aol.com> Well, I had the same questions. From the top I cut sections and put it between the ribs for the bottom skin (shown in the BOOK not in the Drawing). Leaving enough sticking out on the bottom to sand the contour. After flox filleting the inside corners I laid one inch bid tape in the corners since the bottom will have compresion forces. On the top I went ahead and sanded to shape then took out the one in" on each rib. To get a perfect fit on the top skin I maked on the top 1" wings skin were each rib was. I put on duct tape were the top of each rib would touch the skin. I then put a layer of my favorite flox on top of each rib and sqeezed the top skin into place. (using the Old milkjug full of water methode to hold it in place) Of course after it was cured I pulled the top skin back off removed the duct tape and then glued it on for real. Regards Scott ------------------------------ Date: 12 Jun 00 07:29:31 CDT To: EagleGator@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: IMA FLYER Subject: Re: [KR> Panel Planner Software] Message-ID: <20000612122931.20338.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Hi rick, I'm very much interested in using the software you mentioned. If= it's available I'm in a position to verify my current plan. Please let me know= thanks. JP ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webm= ail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:00:30 -0700 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: Short field KR??? Message-Id: Bill This is my own personal feeling about short fields and KR's. Don't do it! I wouldn't try to land my KR-2 on a field twice that long. I love my KR-2 but they have one major drawback. Because they are so slick, they float like crazy on landing. They float even more with flaps. The wing is so close to the ground that it rides that cushion of air for a long time. I installed a speed-brake instead of flaps inorder to increase drag without increasing lift. Flaps increase both lift and drag. I still float about one third the length of the field and often kill the engine to increase drag from the prop. I believe I would need a drag chute to land in a 1000' field. My shortest landing in 10 years of flying this bird was on a 2400' field and I used every inch of it. Landing on grass may be better but I would want the grass about a foot tall. My brakes are mechanical but I don't think hydraulic breaks would make it any better on grass. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 07:13:22 -0700 (PDT) To: "Seifert, Richard E" , "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <20000612141322.9592.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Am I missing something? Don't remember seeing the question to this answer (tho' I'm glad to see the answer). Checking my mail x2/day and making copies of most stuff. Wassup? --- "Seifert, Richard E" Richard.Seifert@West.Boeing.com> wrote: Bill ....about short fields and KR's. Don't do it.... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 10:16:02 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <003801bfd481$1ff14b00$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > Am I missing something? Don't remember seeing the > question to this answer (tho' I'm glad to see the > answer). The question was asked several days ago if the 300' takeoff and 600' landing distances given in the RR brochures were realistic. I was going to comment, but thought I'd let some of the "real" KR pilots comment on it, then forgot to ever comment. Richard's comments are about what I'd expect. There's no such thing as the "composite" plane that's depicted in the RR sales info. I'm using huge split flaps on mine to slow me down when landing. My flaps are (10" x 44") x two, so I should get a little drag out of them. I plan to land this thing on my father's 2800' grass strip a lot... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 17:45:03 EDT To: Richard.Seifert@west.boeing.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <38.71e2097.2676b3df@cs.com> A 1000' field is a little small. I fly in and out of a 1900' black top runway with a 300' displaced threshold. I have runway to spare. If you fly it right, it will work small fields. Gary Hinkle(A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:04:07 -0400 To: Mark Langford From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <39455E57.543D@atlantic.net> Mark Langford wrote: > The question was asked several days ago if the 300' takeoff and 600' landing > distances given in the RR brochures were realistic. I plan to > land this thing on my father's 2800' grass strip a lot... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > I have landed on a 2100' grass field with room to spare. No flaps, no speed brake. It all comes down to approach speed. When you first start flying the KR, you will use a lot of runway. (3-4000') After 30 or 40 hours of practice, you should be able to get into a 1800' grass field without too much problem. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@atlantic.net http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 15:48:07 -0700 To: "'GARYKR2@cs.com'" , "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: RE: KR> Short field KR??? Message-Id: Remember Gary we are talking grass strip. I'm afraid I couldn't do it without a strong headwind and still be able to use the plane again. Under ideal conditions landing on a 1000' grass field may be possible, but you couldn't count on those conditions very often. > ---------- > From: GARYKR2@cs.com[SMTP:GARYKR2@cs.com] > Sent: 12 June, 2000 2:45 PM > To: Richard.Seifert@west.boeing.com; krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? > > A 1000' field is a little small. I fly in and out of a 1900' black top > > runway with a 300' displaced threshold. I have runway to spare. If you fly > it > right, it will work small fields. > Gary Hinkle(A/P) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 18:23:03 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <001401bfd4c5$28b29020$540f2bd8@fasteddie> After a few landings in my KR-1 (E.W. 447lbs), I soon realized that I could (and should) land the thing a whole lot slower. The original KR wing is a fat little guy with plenty of lift. If it's not ready to land , it will just float and float, or forcing it down before it's ready will surely cause a good bounce(s). My usual landing procedure is to reduce power to about 1500 rpm on final and start reducing power gradually just before the threshold. Actual touchdown is about 50 mph or a bit below, I think. I have mechanical brakes and I'm regularly stopped in about 500 feet on asphalt. Takeoff is about the same distance - I never "horse" it off - I just give it a little back pressure and let it fly itself off. Ed Janssen ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 10:16 AM Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? > > Am I missing something? Don't remember seeing the > > question to this answer (tho' I'm glad to see the > > answer). > > The question was asked several days ago if the 300' takeoff and 600' landing > distances given in the RR brochures were realistic. I was going to comment, > but thought I'd let some of the "real" KR pilots comment on it, then forgot > to ever comment. Richard's comments are about what I'd expect. There's no > such thing as the "composite" plane that's depicted in the RR sales info. > I'm using huge split flaps on mine to slow me down when landing. My flaps > are (10" x 44") x two, so I should get a little drag out of them. I plan to > land this thing on my father's 2800' grass strip a lot... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:34:25 -0700 To: Richard.Seifert@West.Boeing.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <20000612.225308.-342571.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Hey guys, remember what you learned ( our should have ) in training ? GET YOUR SPEED CORRECT AND YOU WILL NOT FLOAT. What is your stall ? add .3 and that is base speed. Flare and it will touchdown. Try it , you will like it. Back to basics, Virg ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:34:41 -0700 To: "Seifert, Richard E" , "'virgnvs@juno.com'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Short field KR??? Message-Id: The point Virg, is the KR is not a short field (1000' grass strip) airplane, and no matter how much I love this plane. I think you would agree, it would be wrong to encourage someone to purchase one for that purpose. Besides .3 mph over stall on base is a little scary... Just Kidding Virg. > ---------- > From: virgnvs@juno.com[SMTP:virgnvs@juno.com] > Sent: 12 June, 2000 10:34 PM > To: Richard.Seifert@West.Boeing.com > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? > > Hey guys, remember what you learned ( our should have ) in training ? > GET YOUR SPEED CORRECT AND YOU WILL NOT FLOAT. What is > your stall ? add .3 and that is base speed. Flare and it will touchdown. > Try it , you will like it. Back to basics, Virg > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 11:16:26 -0700 To: Richard.Seifert@West.Boeing.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: Richard.Seifert@West.Boeing.com, virgnvs@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <20000613.111739.-170643.0.virgnvs@juno.com> He just wanted to shorten his landing length. He did not say that he wanted to TAKEOFF again, HAR HAR, Virg On Tue, 13 Jun 2000 06:34:41 -0700 "Seifert, Richard E" writes: > The point Virg, is the KR is not a short field (1000' grass strip) > airplane, > and no matter how much I love this plane. I think you would agree, > it would > be wrong to encourage someone to purchase one for that purpose. > Besides .3 > mph over stall on base is a little scary... Just Kidding Virg. > > > ---------- > > From: virgnvs@juno.com[SMTP:virgnvs@juno.com] > > Sent: 12 June, 2000 10:34 PM > > To: Richard.Seifert@West.Boeing.com > > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? > > > > Hey guys, remember what you learned ( our should have ) in > training ? > > GET YOUR SPEED CORRECT AND YOU WILL NOT FLOAT. What is > > your stall ? add .3 and that is base speed. Flare and it will > touchdown. > > Try it , you will like it. Back to basics, Virg > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 21:36:54 EDT To: Richard.Seifert@west.boeing.com, GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Short field KR??? Message-ID: <32.659e0c9.26783bb6@cs.com> In a message dated 6/12/00 6:49:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Richard.Seifert@West.Boeing.com writes: << Remember Gary we are talking grass strip. I'm afraid I couldn't do it without a strong headwind and still be able to use the plane again. Under ideal conditions landing on a 1000' grass field may be possible, but you couldn't count on those conditions very often. >> I also use a grass strip at a friend of mine that is 1800' long. East side has a 4ft fence, west side has a tree line 1500' out. I have no problems. They also run an Aerostar 601, SX300, and a Glassair III out of there. Like I said, it's how you fly the airplane, and your limits along with the planes. Gary Hinkle(A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 22:09:29 -0400 To: From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Hard landing Message-ID: <000a01bfd4dc$6a7af580$1491103f@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFD4BA.E1503980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just had my first hard landing. Dropped it in from about 6 inches. I was = leveling using construction shims on top of a 4X4 when I accidentally = bumped it and down it went. Post hard landing inspection revealed on = damage. Lesson learned: Don't stack shims too high. If more than 3/4 = inch needed use another 1X4.=20 Jack Cooper kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01BFD4BA.E1503980-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 21:52:34 -0500 To: From: "The House of D's" Subject: VFR Flight Planning Software Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFD4B8.83FC8A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Does anyone have a recommendation for a VFR flight planning software. www.landings.com lists a couple of high dollar ones and Jeppeson/Mentor has one for converting Cirrus to Flight Star for $99. Any other suggestions. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BFD4B8.83FC8A60-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:09:25 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> VFR Flight Planning Software Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449AD6@SASLTD06> I have written an EXCEL (97 version) spread sheet with calculates ETA, Duration of flight between way points, corrected heading, total time of flight. It is printed out (or if you have a laptop - taken with) and use during flight. It cut about 1.5 hours of my pre flight planning and a lot of flight computer work. Its not totally complete yet as I am in no way an EXCEL fundi, I want to make the whole sheet automatic. I have added noted to all the relevant columns to explain what each is for. There are a few items that still have to be entered by you. If anybody interested I will e-mail them a copy. E-mail me off the net. Danny Livingstone E-Mail: livd0124@natref.com > -----Original Message----- > From: The House of D's [SMTP:durosset@fidnet.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2000 4:53 AM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> VFR Flight Planning Software > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a VFR flight planning software. > www.landings.com lists a couple of high dollar ones and Jeppeson/Mentor > has > one for converting Cirrus to Flight Star for $99. Any other suggestions. > > << File: ATT08423.txt >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 05:43:01 PDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: I want to buy KR parts Message-ID: <20000613124301.6513.qmail@hotmail.com> Someone recently posted they were parting out a KR project. If they are on net can you e-mail me with what you have left and how much you want for them? Rich Parker richontheroad@hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 09:19:57 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Virginia EAA Fly-in Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000613091455.00958960@pop.erols.com> There was one KR at the 2000 Virginia State EAA Fly-in. In fact, it was the first one in the four years that our fly-in has been in existence. Where is everyone? My excuse is that I have not finished yet. There must be a few airworthy KR's out there somewhere. Gary Hinkle's KR-2 was a pleasant addition to the flight line. He came from Pennsylvania for the day. You can see a few pictures at http://users.erols.com/donreid/vaeaa.htm or start at the home page and follow the link. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************