From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Jul 2000 18:10:13 -0000 Issue 63 Date: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:10 AM krnet Digest 25 Jul 2000 18:10:13 -0000 Issue 63 Topics (messages 1350 through 1379): Re: two stroke engines in kr's 1350 by: Gaston Landry 1351 by: Gaston Landry 1358 by: Gaston Landry 1370 by: indygeorge Re:> two stroke engines in kr's 1352 by: George Allen Re: Floats ? 1353 by: Ross Youngblood 1360 by: Frank Ross 1363 by: Floyd Dickinson 1369 by: rme114.juno.com 1372 by: Ross Youngblood 1377 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Re: Compufire 1354 by: Ross Youngblood 1355 by: Ross Youngblood Re: Exhaust Wrap 1356 by: Ross Youngblood 1361 by: B&B Muse 1366 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Re: Oshkosh 1357 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 1359 by: Frank Ross airfoil simulation 1362 by: Richard Parker 1364 by: Jim Payne landing gear 1365 by: Richard Parker 1367 by: Mark Jones 1374 by: Frank Ross 1375 by: Richard Parker 1376 by: flykr2s.execpc.com 1378 by: Richard Parker Re: THIS SOUNDS LIKE WISHFUL THINKING 1368 by: michael beck about floats... 1371 by: Paolo Cavazzuti 1373 by: Ross Youngblood kr2 for sale 1379 by: jwells1.impop.bellatlantic.net Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:06:49 ADT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> two stroke engines in kr's Message-ID: <20000724020649.33278.qmail@hotmail.com> I remember reading about the 2-stroke in the BD-5... apparently, there was an issue with heat, since there's spark for twice the time a 4-stroke would... >From: "Neal Hinson" >To: >Subject: KR> two stroke engines in kr's >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:37:57 -0600 > >has anyone put a two stroke engine in a kr? lots of power, lower weight, >with what consequences? > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:07:26 ADT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> two stroke engines in kr's Message-ID: <20000724020726.62106.qmail@hotmail.com> I remember reading about the 2-stroke in the BD-5... apparently, there was an issue with heat, since there's spark for twice the time a 4-stroke would... Running around, arms in the air, making airplane noises... Gaston -------------- >From: "Neal Hinson" >To: >Subject: KR> two stroke engines in kr's >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:37:57 -0600 > >has anyone put a two stroke engine in a kr? lots of power, lower weight, >with what consequences? > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:51:57 ADT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> two stroke engines in kr's Message-ID: <20000724105157.72254.qmail@hotmail.com> sorry about the double post there... >From: "Gaston Landry" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> two stroke engines in kr's >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:07:26 ADT > >I remember reading about the 2-stroke in the BD-5... apparently, there was >an issue with heat, since there's spark for twice the time a 4-stroke >would... > >Running around, arms in the air, making airplane noises... > >Gaston >-------------- > > >>From: "Neal Hinson" >>To: >>Subject: KR> two stroke engines in kr's >>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:37:57 -0600 >> >>has anyone put a two stroke engine in a kr? lots of power, lower weight, >>with what consequences? >> >> >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > > > >________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 01:14:58 -0700 To: "Gaston Landry" , From: "indygeorge" Subject: Re: KR> two stroke engines in kr's Message-ID: <000e01bff610$6dbee580$9120c8cd@f6d3r3> ----- Original Message ----- From: Gaston Landry To: Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:51 AM Subject: Re: KR> two stroke engines in kr's > sorry about the double post there... > > > >From: "Gaston Landry" > >To: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: Re: KR> two stroke engines in kr's > >Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:07:26 ADT > > > >I remember reading about the 2-stroke in the BD-5... apparently, there was > >an issue with heat, since there's spark for twice the time a 4-stroke > >would... > > > >Running around, arms in the air, making airplane noises... > > > >Gaston > >-------------- > > > > > >>From: "Neal Hinson" > >>To: > >>Subject: KR> two stroke engines in kr's > >>Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 14:37:57 -0600 > >> > >>has anyone put a two stroke engine in a kr? lots of power, lower weight, > >>with what consequences? > >>kr1 +rotax532 built by captn.Dennis SCHARF of winnipeg,manitoba,i saw the test fly on vedio and et was fast! 7000ft thru AS=170mph the engine run like .s. only puting aut a fracion of the supposed 60 odd hp the cowling and fuselage was exremly streamlined!i will bring the vedio to oshkosh!i will be ther in a cream and brown trim DODGE mini motor home i will have an INDYGEORGE sign on et.lokin forward to met you all.george. > >> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >>To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >>For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >> > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 22:35:55 -0400 To: From: "George Allen" Subject: Re:> two stroke engines in kr's Message-ID: <001b01bff517$e59d2fc0$c2a7dcd8@george> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFF4F6.5D3D64E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The problem with the BD-5 and heat was the engine was in the rear with a = pusher configuration and they couldn't get enough air to it. George (KRless) Allen ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BFF4F6.5D3D64E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:32:30 -0700 To: rme114@juno.com From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Floats ? Message-ID: <397BE2FD.27DA22EB@teleport.com> Hi Steve, I'm up in Chandler. I am interested in hearing what you find on this. I just got back from vacation in the Virgin Islands, and decided that my next airplane will have to be a seaplane.. at least for the moment. I have this crazy idea of building a 4 seat version of the Boing Flying Boat (Yankee Clipper). But before I can do that, I have to be able to finish my KR, so today I melted lead for the last aileron counter balance. -- Regards Ross rme114@juno.com wrote: > Hi , this is Steve, Bisbee AZ, Does anyone out there have a KR on floats > ? Would appreciate any thoughts or comments on the subject pro and con. > rme114@juno.com Thanx. > > ------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:01:25 -0700 (PDT) To: Ross Youngblood , rme114@juno.com From: Frank Ross Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Floats ? Message-ID: <20000724150125.15072.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> There's no water in Arizona. In Bisbee, there's not even any flat land. I really miss AZ. Was just in Bisbee, Mesa and Globe (garden spot of the West). Had to go out there just to warm my blood again. You aren't going to be able to land that sea-plane on a canal. Seriously, I've followed KRs for a few years and have never seen anything on a sea-plane version. Could it have something to do with the small size of the plane and weight of floats? Or difficulty of handling in water? I'd like to hear what folks have to say about this too. --- Ross Youngblood wrote: > Hi Steve, > I'm up in Chandler. I am interested in hearing > what you find on this. > I just got > back from vacation in the Virgin Islands, and > decided that my next airplane > will > have to be a seaplane.. at least for the moment. I > have this crazy idea of > building > a 4 seat version of the Boing Flying Boat (Yankee > Clipper). But before I > can > do that, I have to be able to finish my KR, so today > I melted lead for the > last aileron > counter balance. > -- Regards > Ross > > rme114@juno.com wrote: > > > Hi , this is Steve, Bisbee AZ, Does anyone out > there have a KR on floats > > ? Would appreciate any thoughts or comments on > the subject pro and con. > > rme114@juno.com Thanx. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 12:12:18 -0400 To: Frank Ross From: Floyd Dickinson CC: Ross Youngblood , rme114@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Floats ? Message-Id: <200007241612.MAA03665@mail2.capital.net> I seriously doubt that the KR has much potential in a sea-plane or amphibian version, but hey, who am I? I'm not saying it's not workable but certainly not without more power to overcome a great amount of drag and weight penalties. If I were going the amphibian route, the Osprey II would have to be my choice -- and certainly an aircraft adaptable to the higher Corvair version engines, probably the turbo version. Floyd Frank Ross wrote: > Seriously, I've followed KRs for a few years and have never seen > anything on a sea-plane version. Could it have something to do with the > small size of the plane and weight of floats? Or difficulty of handling > in water? I'd like to hear what folks have tosay about this too. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:39:27 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: rme114@juno.com Subject: Floats ? Message-ID: <20000724.214400.-276103.2.rme114@juno.com> True, Bisbee does not have much of a ocean, most of the time, but , about this time of the year that changes from hour to hour......... I too would eventually like do some island hopping. OK. My boss is a heavy smoker, when he runs out of cigarettes, he sends me down to the store (on the clock of coarse ! ) to get some more. Within the next year he plans to have a large boat and call the Carribean his back yard.........so when he runs out of cigarettes........ I just buzz off to the nearest 7-11. He has promised that if I can provide a lift point, he will have a crane to bring me aboard to a tiedown on deck. I have just purchased a KR 2 and intend to make first flight within 6 months. We have already done the impossible and improbable, so this idea seems like just another day. Information is ALWAYS good to have.....hows that go...."all available information....." ? A KR 2 dosent weigh much, so floats wouldn't have to be too large, maybe displace 10 to 15 % more than a/c gross weight, maybe could be made slim for less drag and possibly to create their own lift to support themselves during flight. Also, VW engines can easily be built to over 200 hp, ask any sand buggy nut. Not that these extremes need to be pushed , but , I believe there is a workable compromies in there somewhere. All comments welcome. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:45:18 -0700 To: Frank Ross From: Ross Youngblood CC: rme114@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Floats ? Message-ID: <397D8BDE.BFCC899A@teleport.com> Frank, There is plenty of water in Arizona... that's why there is no water in the Colorado River by the time it hits Mexico. Lake Roosevelt[sp?] was the site of an Italian floatplane accident many years ago. If I recall correctly there was an Italian team back in the '30s which was attempting an around the world flight. They landed at the lake to take on fuel, and a spark ignited the planes, and that was the end of that. At any rate, I'm daunted by the idea that I would really consider building a scale replica of a Yankee Clipper, but if I actually finish the KR, then I probably could do anything. An A&P in Oregon that I knew, Mike Farmer was hot on the Chevy small block V8 as a good AC conversion. I think somthing with 2-4 Chevy small block V8's would be kinda cool. Fuel injection, GPS, and a refrigerator in the back... a flying RV for island hopping. -- Ross Frank Ross wrote: > There's no water in Arizona. In Bisbee, there's not > even any flat land. I really miss AZ. Was just in > Bisbee, Mesa and Globe (garden spot of the West). Had > to go out there just to warm my blood again. You > aren't going to be able to land that sea-plane on a > canal. Seriously, I've followed KRs for a few years > and have never seen anything on a sea-plane version. > Could it have something to do with the small size of > the plane and weight of floats? Or difficulty of > handling in water? I'd like to hear what folks have to > say about this too. > --- Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Hi Steve, > > I'm up in Chandler. I am interested in hearing > > what you find on this. > > I just got > > back from vacation in the Virgin Islands, and > > decided that my next airplane > > will > > have to be a seaplane.. at least for the moment. I > > have this crazy idea of > > building > > a 4 seat version of the Boing Flying Boat (Yankee > > Clipper). But before I > > can > > do that, I have to be able to finish my KR, so today > > I melted lead for the > > last aileron > > counter balance. > > -- Regards > > Ross > > > > rme114@juno.com wrote: > > > > > Hi , this is Steve, Bisbee AZ, Does anyone out > > there have a KR on floats > > > ? Would appreciate any thoughts or comments on > > the subject pro and con. > > > rme114@juno.com Thanx. > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:02:42 -0700 To: Floyd Dickinson ,Frank Ross From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Cc: Ross Youngblood ,rme114@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Floats ? Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20000725090242.006f42f8@localaccess.com> At 12:12 PM 07/24/2000 -0400, Floyd Dickinson wrote: >I seriously doubt that the KR has much potential in a sea-plane or >amphibian version, but hey, who am I? I'm not saying it's not workable >but certainly not without more power to overcome a great amount of drag >and weight penalties. Netters, Take a profile drawing of a -S, sketch floats instead of wheels, stand back and squint a little and think Supermarine Schneider trophy racer! You will see some great possibilities! Tracy O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:35:54 -0700 To: Mark Langford From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Compufire Message-ID: <397BE3CA.28D8FC7F@teleport.com> Orma, I too am running the CompuFire ignition system. I have been impressed with it so far. (I have just done static engine tests on my KR to date, hope to do some taxi tests this year). -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > Orma wrote: > > > Help me out Netters, What is the > > compufire???? What components make up the system and How much does it > cost. > > Why a compufire and not a mag, or 009. > > The Compu-Fire is an electronic "set of points" for the Bosch 009 > distributor. It's the blue thing that replaces the distributor cap shown at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/98120614.jpg. It also comes with it's own > pair of coils, seen fastened to the fan shroud in the picture. It delivers > a much hotter spark, but IF it fails, it will fail immediately, leaving you > up the creek without a paddle. For that reason, it is a great primary > ignition system, but some sort of backup (like a mag or a crank triggered > electronic system and an MSD "coil switcher") is good to have. You might > could even use the same pair of coils and just add two crank triggers, if > you knew what you were doing, but then you wouldn't have advance, but who > cares at 3000 rpm? I've had a Compu-Fire on my Karmann Ghia for 7 or 8 > years, and I LOVE it! > > They're about $200-$250, and Great Plains > (http://www.greatplainsas.com/welcome.html ) sells them, along with others > as found in Hot VWs magazines (buy it from Steve and support one of the few > VW aircraft engine guys left!). > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:42:05 -0700 To: toys@atlantic.net From: Ross Youngblood CC: Tom Kilgore , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Compufire Message-ID: <397BE53C.E716EA42@teleport.com> The spec on the Compu-Fire is 6A per coil, and if the engine is stopped, you can possibly have both coils energized which would yield a 12A drain on the ignition line. I did my wiring assuming that worst case there would be 12A transient currents on the line, and wired for 15A capacity (I believe). I don't have an ameter on my KR, but based on data from Steve on the Great Plains alternator, the battery drain Tom is reporting is what I expected as well. I will probably stick a good current meter on the alternator output and see what kind of current I get at various RPM's. Tom Crawford wrote: > Tom Kilgore wrote: > > > > With > > the Compufire, it's smooth and powerful all the way to redline and the car > > now runs like it should. I think that Steve at Great Plains has it also > > since I overheard him telling Jim Faughn about it at the gathering a couple > > of years ago when he was having trouble with points in his KR. > > > > Tom Kilgore > > Las Vegas, NV > > tkilgore@lvcm.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark Langford" > > To: > > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 3:48 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Compufire > > > > > Orma wrote: > > > > > > > Help me out Netters, What is the > > > > compufire???? What components make up the system and How much does it > > > cost. > > > > Why a compufire and not a mag, or 009. > > > > > > > > I have been flying with the Compu-fire on N262TC for 3 years now. Works > as advertised, has a great spark, but uses a tremendous amount of > battery to make it run. With it on, I have a negative draw on my > alt/batt. until the engine RPM's get up to about 1500. I run on the mag > on the ground and switch on the CF right before take off. The CF DOES > have an advance if used on a 009 dist. > > -- > Tom Crawford > Gainesville, FL > N262TC > Mailto:toys@atlantic.net > http://www.tomshardwoodtoys.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 23:51:06 -0700 To: Kenneth L Wiltrout From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> re: Exhaust Wrap Message-ID: <397BE75A.F7C5E65C@teleport.com> Ken, If you ceramic coat the pipes, I think you can go ahead and wrap them as well, but I don't think it will help too much... however, I haven't run my engine since I had my pipes coated and moved down to AZ so I could be proven wrong. I think my battery was a bit close as well to the exhaust, I will have to measure it, but 3" seems like it could be in the ball park. I was more concerned about the exhaust down tube being close to the intake manifold connection hose. I have a two piece intake manifold from GPASC with some high temp hoses that connect the upper and lower pieces. I had to heat the exhaust stack with two torches and with the aid of a helper moved the exhast stack about 1/2-1" away so I felt better about it. That was before I decided to have them ceramic coated. -- Regards Ross Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but since I'm getting my pipes > ceramic coated ,and in the event I'm still not happy with the temps under > the cowl, do some people wrap their pipes with fiberglass tape as well? > I could swear I saw fiberglass wraped on exhaust systems somewhere. > > Also, how close do have your batteries to the nearest exhaust pipe? > Just curious. Mine is 3" at the closest point. > Thanks, Kenny > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:47:57 -0500 To: Ross Youngblood From: B&B Muse CC: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> re: Exhaust Wrap Message-ID: <397C652B.1A4CCF7D@ev1.net> --------------422A6DDB89342073710D2856 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ross Youngblood wrote: > Ken, > If you ceramic coat the pipes, I think you can go ahead and wrap them as > well, but I don't think it will help too much... however, I haven't run my > engine > since I had my pipes coated and moved down to AZ so I could be proven wrong. > > I think my battery was a bit close as well to the exhaust, I will have to > measure > it, but 3" seems like it could be in the ball park. I was more concerned > about the > exhaust down tube being close to the intake manifold connection hose. I > have > a two piece intake manifold from GPASC with some high temp hoses that > connect > the upper and lower pieces. I had to heat the exhaust stack with two > torches and > with the aid of a helper moved the exhast stack about 1/2-1" away so I felt > better > about it. That was before I decided to have them ceramic coated. > -- Regards > Ross > > Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > > > I know I'm beating a dead horse here, but since I'm getting my pipes > > ceramic coated ,and in the event I'm still not happy with the temps under > > the cowl, do some people wrap their pipes with fiberglass tape as well? > > I could swear I saw fiberglass wraped on exhaust systems somewhere. > > > > Also, how close do have your batteries to the nearest exhaust pipe? > > Just curious. Mine is 3" at the closest point. > > Thanks, Kenny > > > > Check with your ceramic coating supplier. My supplier will void the warranty if you wrap the exhaust after having them coated. I think you are beating a dead horse because the ceramic coating will reduce(alot) the radiate heat from the exhaust pipes. My exhaust pipes are less than 3" from the battery and I haven't experienced any problems with heat on the battery that I know of in about 300 hours since first taxi(240hrs with the pipes fiberglass tape wrapped and 60hrs with ceramic coated exhaust). If you still have any concerns about the battery being overheated, you could do one of two things: 1. Move the battery. Maybe behind the firewall. 2. Place a heat shield between the battery and the exhaust. Note: You'll have more heat in the upper part of your cowling just after engine shut down than while the engine is running. Just my two cents, Bobby --------------422A6DDB89342073710D2856-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 19:25:49 -0400 To: bmuse@ev1.net From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: rossy@teleport.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> re: Exhaust Wrap Message-ID: <20000724.192550.-188633.0.klw1953@juno.com> OK guys, I'll wait till I get the pipes back and installed before I push the panic button. What I got to remember is, when all this went on the temp outside was 90, and the S was screaming at 2900 rpm while tied to a pickup truck. (But only for about 30 sec) I just thought the prop would supply enough air to keep things cooler. Thanks to all who answered. By the way, I was quoted $25 to do each pipe, anyone interested? Thanks again, Kenny ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 05:49:17 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Message-ID: <1e.863a719.26ad6b1d@aol.com> Guys, I've had several replies to my post yesterday of people who are going to be at Oshkosh. If we want to have an informal get together Weds. afternoon for the airshow, stop by the airplane. We will be the ones "whoopin and hollerin":-). I've about decided the ACC section is going to be closest to the action as opposed to the b2osh (bonanzas to Oshkosh) section. Stop by, kick back, and watch the airshow with us. Then hang out and drink a couple of "sodas" with us. I'm thinking we can persuade Mark Langford, Dr. Dean, Troy, Steve Eberhart, Dr. Selig and As(I'm not even going to try and spell his name:-) to stop by and talk. But then again, these guys will start talking about boundary layers, separation, decalage (see I can't even spell that) and then I'll be all kinds of lost. Oh, the heck with it..............I'll just drink more "sodas" so I can at least be loud:-) Come to think of it, if you stop by, you may want to wear one of those fake nose pair of glasses so no one will recognize you the next day....................... Remember, gray V-tail Bonanza, blue leading edges 124RS. There will be at least two tents next to it. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:46:58 -0700 (PDT) To: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Oshkosh Message-ID: <20000724144658.27063.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> --- KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > ...hang out and drink a couple of "sodas" with us...I'll just drink more "sodas" so I can at least be loud:-)...gray V-tail Bonanza,124RS. There will be at > least two tents next to it. > Dana Overall Sorry I can't be there. I'm looking forward to meeting all of you at the KR Gathering and getting lots of pix and info on your planes then. Dana - you're "two tents" - drink another soda... Sorry... Later, ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:04:10 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Cc: bourdelais@monad.net Subject: airfoil simulation Message-ID: I found some neat free software that nasa developed and thought some of you might enjoy it. The link is attached below FoilSim, which was developed at the NASA Glenn Research Center, is interactive simulation software that determines the airflow around various shapes of airfoils. The Airfoil View Panel is a simulated view of a wing being tested in a wind tunnel with air moving past it from left to right. Students change the position and shape of the wing by moving slider controls that vary the parameters of airspeed, altitude, angle of attack, thickness and curvature of the airfoil, and size of the wing area. The software displays plots of pressure or airspeed above and below the airfoil surface. A probe monitors air conditions (speed and pressure) at a particular point on or close to the surface of the airfoil. The software calculates the lift of the airfoils, allowing students to learn the factors that influence lift. http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/Other_Groups/K-12/FoilSim/index.html Rich Parker Peterborough, NH ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:01:35 -0400 To: From: "Jim Payne" Subject: RE: KR> airfoil simulation Message-ID: The Airfoil simulator works great. I noted a minor discrepancy thought... The Thickness entry on the screen is supposed to be the height between the bottom surface of the wing to the top surface of the wing divided by the Cord. It doesn't match the picture on the screen. Try putting in a 16% or 18%(.16 or .18)thickness and you get an extremely thin wing according to the picture? Am I doing something wrong? Richard, to they have a similar program for Drag calculations? Jim -----Original Message----- From: Richard Parker [mailto:richontheroad@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:04 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: bourdelais@monad.net Subject: KR> airfoil simulation I found some neat free software that nasa developed and thought some of you might enjoy it. The link is attached below FoilSim, which was developed at the NASA Glenn Research Center, is interactive simulation software that determines the airflow around various shapes of airfoils. The Airfoil View Panel is a simulated view of a wing being tested in a wind tunnel with air moving past it from left to right. Students change the position and shape of the wing by moving slider controls that vary the parameters of airspeed, altitude, angle of attack, thickness and curvature of the airfoil, and size of the wing area. The software displays plots of pressure or airspeed above and below the airfoil surface. A probe monitors air conditions (speed and pressure) at a particular point on or close to the surface of the airfoil. The software calculates the lift of the airfoils, allowing students to learn the factors that influence lift. http://www.lerc.nasa.gov/Other_Groups/K-12/FoilSim/index.html Rich Parker Peterborough, NH ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:55:34 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: landing gear Message-ID: Can anyone tell me what the angle of the lower angle bracket (where the wheel attaches) is on their deihl gear? If anyone wants to look I've made a 30 inch fiberglass landing gear leg. I'll have the rest of the construction pictures up there soon. http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/leg.htm Thanks Rich Parker Peterborough, NH ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:14:44 -0500 To: Richard Parker From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> landing gear Message-ID: <397D0624.915201A0@execpc.com> Richard, I just checked the angle on my Diehl lower axle bracket. It measures 135 degrees. Hope this helps. Mark Jones Richard Parker wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the angle of the lower angle bracket (where the > wheel attaches) is on their deihl gear? > > If anyone wants to look I've made a 30 inch fiberglass landing gear leg. > I'll have the rest of the construction pictures up there soon. > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/leg.htm > > Thanks > > Rich Parker > Peterborough, NH > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:07:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Jones , Richard Parker From: Frank Ross Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> landing gear Message-ID: <20000725140742.439.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Will the extended length have any effect on the angle of the axle bracket? --- Mark Jones wrote: > Richard, > I just checked the angle on my Diehl lower axle > bracket. It measures 135 > degrees. > Hope this helps. > Mark Jones > > Richard Parker wrote: > > > Can anyone tell me what the angle of the lower > angle bracket (where the > > wheel attaches) is on their deihl gear? > > > > If anyone wants to look I've made a 30 inch > fiberglass landing gear leg. > > I'll have the rest of the construction pictures up > there soon. > > > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/leg.htm > > > > Thanks > > > > Rich Parker > > Peterborough, NH > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:30:01 GMT To: kae_ar@yahoo.com From: "Richard Parker" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> landing gear Message-ID: I dont think so. But at least its a starting point. I can tweak it as needed. Rich P >From: Frank Ross >To: Mark Jones , Richard Parker > >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> landing gear >Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:07:42 -0700 (PDT) > >Will the extended length have any effect on the angle >of the axle bracket? > >--- Mark Jones wrote: > > Richard, > > I just checked the angle on my Diehl lower axle > > bracket. It measures 135 > > degrees. > > Hope this helps. > > Mark Jones > > > > Richard Parker wrote: > > > > > Can anyone tell me what the angle of the lower > > angle bracket (where the > > > wheel attaches) is on their deihl gear? > > > > > > If anyone wants to look I've made a 30 inch > > fiberglass landing gear leg. > > > I'll have the rest of the construction pictures up > > there soon. > > > > > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/leg.htm > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Rich Parker > > > Peterborough, NH > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > >===== >Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:46:00 -0500 To: Frank Ross From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> landing gear Message-Id: <200007251546.KAA11254@mailgw00.execpc.com> As long as the angle at the spar mounting pad is the same, there should be no difference. Mark Jones > Will the extended length have any effect on the angle > of the axle bracket? > > --- Mark Jones wrote: > > Richard, > > I just checked the angle on my Diehl lower axle > > bracket. It measures 135 > > degrees. > > Hope this helps. > > Mark Jones > > > > Richard Parker wrote: > > > > > Can anyone tell me what the angle of the lower > > angle bracket (where the > > > wheel attaches) is on their deihl gear? > > > > > > If anyone wants to look I've made a 30 inch > > fiberglass landing gear leg. > > > I'll have the rest of the construction pictures up > > there soon. > > > > > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/leg.htm > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Rich Parker > > > Peterborough, NH > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:30:37 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> landing gear Message-ID: Actually since its longer it might flex a little more under load. (but its pretty stiff) Rich >As long as the angle at the spar mounting pad is the same, there >should be no difference. > > > Will the extended length have any effect on the angle > > of the axle bracket? > > > > --- Mark Jones wrote: > > > Richard, > > > I just checked the angle on my Diehl lower axle > > > bracket. It measures 135 > > > degrees. > > > Hope this helps. > > > Mark Jones > > > > > > Richard Parker wrote: > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me what the angle of the lower > > > angle bracket (where the > > > > wheel attaches) is on their deihl gear? > > > > > > > > If anyone wants to look I've made a 30 inch > > > fiberglass landing gear leg. > > > > I'll have the rest of the construction pictures up > > > there soon. > > > > > > > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/leg.htm > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Rich Parker > > > > Peterborough, NH > > > > > > > > > >________________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at > > > http://www.hotmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > -- > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > > Wales, WI USA > > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > > http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:16:25 -0700 (PDT) To: DONAN5@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: michael beck Subject: Re: KR> THIS SOUNDS LIKE WISHFUL THINKING Message-ID: <20000725041625.8975.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> This was very wishful thinking. Much power can be induced out of the VW, but not with the set-up that was on the engine that was for sale. You are limited to about 3500 or less RPM, and it is possible to get that much power (100 hp) at that RPM. Here is what it would take 1) 2165cc or more 2) High flow heads with big valves that have been ported and polished. 3) High lift cam and/or lifters 4) dual carburetors with the potential to handle 160 or more cu. ft./min. See Kitplanes May 2000, Engine beat/ Four Ways to get 100 hp. 5) 1 5/8 exhaust Notice that everything that is noted is to move more air/fuel mixture thru the engine, without anymore drag than necessary. They were able to get 85.26hp at 3000rpm, and 102.4 at 3500. The set-up on ebay probably would get 70-75. This is from the magazine/book "All About Performance VW Engines II" and is from the article "The Ultimate VW Dyno Test" starting on page 34. This was published in 1997 but I believe that it can still be ordered from the publisher, Wright Publishing Co. (714) 979-2560 Mike Beck Sedro Woolley, WA --- DONAN5@aol.com wrote: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=381878417 > > ON eBAY > > HARD TO BELIEVE THE CLAIMS MADE > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:03:34 +0200 (CEST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paolo=20Cavazzuti?= Subject: about floats... Message-ID: <20000725070334.20496.qmail@web1205.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys! Joust a curiosity talking about floats in a KR-2... What about the KR-3? I've heard something about this amphibian, I've seen a photo and read an article from 1977, but anything else... have it never flown? What's its story? (I suppose not a long one...). BTW: I'm going to have my plans for a KR-2S, not thinking to built an amphibian... it's juost to know something more about RR. Thanks a lot in advance for your answer and sorry for my bad english. Paolo Cavazzuti Modena, Italy. ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 05:59:07 -0700 To: Paolo Cavazzuti From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> about floats... Message-ID: <397D8F1A.28253893@teleport.com> Paolo, There is one photo on the web of the KR-3 amphibian which you could get to from the "Builder Links" section, this page is no longer available I guess. You might try doing a google search for KR 3 KR-3 and KR 3 just to see if it pops up. The KR-3 crashed at one point and Ken Rand and Steve (I believe) decided not to pursue it any further. Possiblly due to cost and power issues. -- Ross Paolo Cavazzuti wrote: > Hi guys! > Joust a curiosity talking about floats in a KR-2... > What about the KR-3? I've heard something about this > amphibian, I've seen a photo and read an article from > 1977, but anything else... have it never flown? What's > its story? (I suppose not a long one...). > > BTW: I'm going to have my plans for a KR-2S, not > thinking to built an amphibian... it's juost to know > something more about RR. > > Thanks a lot in advance for your answer and sorry for > my bad english. > > Paolo Cavazzuti > Modena, Italy. > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:15:03 -0400 To: krnet From: jwells1@impop.bellatlantic.net Subject: kr2 for sale Message-ID: <397DD927.C1385DB7@mailbox.bellatlantic.net> kr2 for sale,1834 vw,bendix 1821 carb,slick mag.full electric,wingspan 2' longer than plans, culver 52x42 prop, retractable gear, 85 hrs. ttae, cruise 135mph@3250rpm, stall 35mph, asking $10,000 neg. , white w blue stripes reply to jwells1@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************