From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Aug 2000 16:28:18 -0000 Issue 75 Date: Thursday, August 17, 2000 8:28 AM krnet Digest 17 Aug 2000 16:28:18 -0000 Issue 75 Topics (messages 1635 through 1664): Re: Direct Drive Subaru For Sale 1635 by: Richard Parker Project for Sale 1636 by: Gary Hamilton 1645 by: Robert Stone William Wynne 1637 by: Mark Jones Aileron counterbalance 1638 by: John and Janet Martindale 1639 by: Ross Youngblood 1640 by: James Sellars Scott "Sky" Smith 800-743-1439 1641 by: EagleGator.aol.com 1650 by: larry flesner Re: Some questions from a newbie 1642 by: Peter Nauta Re: insurance 1643 by: Richard Parker 1644 by: Garland, Norm F 1647 by: Mark Langford 1649 by: Mark Langford 1653 by: Richard Parker Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft 1646 by: Robert Stone 1648 by: Garland, Norm F 1655 by: David McKelvey 1656 by: Mark Langford 1657 by: BTabbert.maximcrane.com 1658 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 1661 by: ACMan5548.aol.com 1662 by: ACMan5548.aol.com 1663 by: Mike Mims oil leaks 1651 by: Richard Reaves wiring 1652 by: Al Friesen Re: website update 1654 by: ROBERT COOPER 1664 by: Robert Stone Re:Brakes 1659 by: marmet Wing attach fittings 1660 by: Robert Stone Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 01:35:12 GMT To: saunders@hereintown.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: RE: Direct Drive Subaru For Sale Message-ID: For anyone interested here is a link to information regarding the Direct Drive Subaru conversion that I have for sale. I'm only selling it because I bought a larger engine. http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ea81.htm Rich Parker Peterborough NH ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2000 21:45:19 -0700 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Gary Hamilton Subject: Project for Sale Message-ID: <01C00702.394AB420.ghami@gtwn.net> I'm interested in selling my KR2 project to a good home. Boat complete, stretched 14". Horizontal stab and elevator 80% complete with trim tab. Wing spars done, not installed. Wing ribs cut out. Misc hardware. Fellow EAA members/councilors say "nice work." Asking $1500. Will deliver in Texas. If anyone is or knows someone interested, drop me a line. Thanks, it has been fun to this point. Gary Hamilton Austin, TX 512-864-0629 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:20:03 -0500 To: "Gary Hamilton" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Project for Sale Message-ID: <002a01c00888$88964da0$44e818d0@pavilion> Gary: Why don't you send a message direct to Jeff LeTempt, at texasquadi@prodigyHe lives just a short distance from me and is working on a Dragonfly. He told me just the other day that he was seriously considering building a KR-2. If he bought yours it would save him a bunch of time and money and you would have sold out which is what you want to do. He lives over in Kempner, Texas and I live in Harker Heights. We are about 25 miles apart and about 60 miles north of Austin. Make note of my E-Mail address and stay in touch. I would like to know if he buys your KR-2. Sincerely, Bob Stone rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary Hamilton" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2000 11:45 PM Subject: KR> Project for Sale > I'm interested in selling my KR2 project to a good home. Boat complete, > stretched 14". Horizontal stab and elevator 80% complete with trim tab. > Wing spars done, not installed. Wing ribs cut out. Misc hardware. > Fellow EAA members/councilors say "nice work." Asking $1500. Will > deliver in Texas. If anyone is or knows someone interested, drop me a > line. Thanks, it has been fun to this point. > > Gary Hamilton > Austin, TX > 512-864-0629 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 00:06:17 -0500 To: CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: William Wynne Message-ID: <399A2149.17E723BD@execpc.com> Hello all, I just got off the phone with William. He is alive and well. We had a very long conversation about what he has been doing and what his future plans are. William has been a very busy man and has many irons in the fire right now. He has been receiving upwards of 100 e-mails per day and about half as many phone calls. William is in the process of preparing for the KR gathering in September. He is going to bring with him a wealth of knowledge for us to absorb. His seminar this year should far out do last years. Plans are to have many parts available for showing. He is also going to have his Corvair powered Pietenpol at the gathering and ... could there be a Corvair powered KR there also? Well, we will have to just wait and see. William asked that we all be patient with the special orders we have placed with him. He hopes to have all orders filled prior to the gathering and will even be bringing some along with him to personally deliver. If any of you are having difficulty reaching William, please don't give up on him. If you wish, let me know and I will relay the info on to William. Trust me, there are some good ideas in the making that will enhance the Corvair powered aircraft. -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:56:57 +1000 To: "To post messages to the new KRNet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Aileron counterbalance Message-ID: <006701c00779$3ebd3b40$4bc429cb@f6q6r4> ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C007CC.E5D15D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks I've epoxied, bolted and fibreglassed in my aileron aluminium = counterbalance bracket and now find difficulty mounting sufficient = weight (about 3 lbs) on it due to the short arm (only 3 inches). If I = extend the arm further it then interferes with the rear spar as the = aileron drops. I am also concerned about the resultant stress on the = right angle of the bracket which cannot be gussetted without interfering = with the clearance between aileron spar and the wing trailing edge. The = bracket is currently 2 inches wide. I was wondering whether anyone else had this problem and whether a = possible solution would be to widen the bracket to say 6 inches but = reduce its arm. However, this would create more drag when it protrudes = below the wing planform as the aileron rises, that is, it might upset = any balance achieved by the designed differential ailerons. Any = suggestions or experience here would be most welcome. John ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01C007CC.E5D15D00-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:19:11 -0700 To: John and Janet Martindale From: Ross Youngblood CC: To post messages to the new KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Aileron counterbalance Message-ID: <399ABEFE.DE836568@teleport.com> John, I had the same problem. I cast and re-cast different shapes until I got one that gave me enough weight, and didn't require too much cutting into the wing, (as I had already glassed the hole), Can't make it too much longer, as it interferes with the spar. I looked at Cessnas and they use long thin lead weights on the bottom edge of the aileron. At any rate I will photograph and put a picture of the shape I used on my website this weekend. I have cast the second weight, but haven't mounted or validated that it is large enough. I'm having fun working on my IFR rating. I passed the written last June ('99) and need to finish before it turns into a pumpkin. -- Regards Ross John and Janet Martindale wrote: > Hi Folks > > I've epoxied, bolted and fibreglassed in my aileron aluminium counterbalance bracket and now find difficulty mounting sufficient weight (about 3 lbs) on it due to the short arm (only 3 inches). If I extend the arm further it then interferes with the rear spar as the aileron drops. I am also concerned about the resultant stress on the right angle of the bracket which cannot be gussetted without interfering with the clearance between aileron spar and the wing trailing edge. The bracket is currently 2 inches wide. > > I was wondering whether anyone else had this problem and whether a possible solution would be to widen the bracket to say 6 inches but reduce its arm. However, this would create more drag when it protrudes below the wing planform as the aileron rises, that is, it might upset any balance achieved by the designed differential ailerons. Any suggestions or experience here would be most welcome. > > John ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:22:00 -0300 To: Ross Youngblood , John and Janet Martindale From: James Sellars Cc: To post messages to the new KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Aileron counterbalance Message-Id: <4.3.0.20000816141715.00a6a100@mail.auracom.com> Hey Ross; How are you ? I was just talking with Kip Lounsbury in Maine, he has the great little stock KR-2 ;on retract gear that flies like a dream,very quick dream at that. He is talking about coming to Moncton, where I am trying to get up to speed with my KR-2 at the airport. He needs confirmation of insurance to traverse the border, as he's working away from his computer this afternoon he asked me to write you about "Scotty" Sky Smith in Ankeny IOWA, who has his plane insured. Can you put on the net this fellows phone number so that Kip can call him when he gets home ? Big story simple solution, hope someone out there can help. Regards Jim. At 09:19 AM 8/16/00 -0700, Ross Youngblood wrote: >John, > I had the same problem. I cast and re-cast different shapes until I > got one that gave me >enough weight, and didn't require too much cutting into the wing, (as I >had already glassed the >hole), Can't make it too much longer, as it interferes with the spar. I >looked at Cessnas and they >use long thin lead weights on the bottom edge of the aileron. > > At any rate I will photograph and put a picture of the shape I used on > my website this weekend. > >I have cast the second weight, but haven't mounted or validated that it is >large enough. I'm having >fun working on my IFR rating. I passed the written last June ('99) and >need to finish before it >turns into a pumpkin. > > -- Regards > Ross > >John and Janet Martindale wrote: > > > Hi Folks > > > > I've epoxied, bolted and fibreglassed in my aileron aluminium > counterbalance bracket and now find difficulty mounting sufficient weight > (about 3 lbs) on it due to the short arm (only 3 inches). If I extend the > arm further it then interferes with the rear spar as the aileron drops. I > am also concerned about the resultant stress on the right angle of the > bracket which cannot be gussetted without interfering with the clearance > between aileron spar and the wing trailing edge. The bracket is currently > 2 inches wide. > > > > I was wondering whether anyone else had this problem and whether a > possible solution would be to widen the bracket to say 6 inches but > reduce its arm. However, this would create more drag when it protrudes > below the wing planform as the aileron rises, that is, it might upset any > balance achieved by the designed differential ailerons. Any suggestions > or experience here would be most welcome. > > > > John > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:08:30 EDT To: From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Scott "Sky" Smith 800-743-1439 Someone asked for Scott's number, its 800-743-1439. For those of you not familiar, he's a great insurance broker to work with for your experimental aircraft needs. Cheers, Rick Junkin Eaglegator@aol.com St. Charles MO ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:43:39 -0500 To: EagleGator@aol.com, From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Scott "Sky" Smith 800-743-1439 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000816164339.00833e50@mail.midwest.net> At 03:08 PM 8/16/00 EDT, EagleGator@aol.com wrote: >Someone asked for Scott's number, its 800-743-1439. For those of you not familiar, he's a great insurance broker to work with for your experimental aircraft needs. >Rick Junkin >Eaglegator@aol.com >St. Charles MO ================================================================= They also gave me a good quote for the Tripacer and I have insured with them for the past two years. Good people to work with. Their e-mail is < ins@skysmith.com > Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:22:44 +0200 To: "Frank Ross" From: "Peter Nauta" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Some questions from a newbie Message-ID: Frank, I just got a fax from Rand Robinson, about the upgrading of plans to KR2-S. This was the answer: "In response to your telephone call on Tuesday, August 15, there seems to be some confusion regarding the KR2-S plans. "The KR2-S supplement is the only set of plans for the 2S . You need the KR-2 plans and the supplement. The supplement consists of changes that need to be made to the airframe. "If you already have KR-2 plans, you will need top buy only the KR-2S supplement. We understand that you have the KR-2 plans, therefore, you will only need the supplement. The cost as stated in the proforma invoice is $145.00 US." UNQUOTE. Signed by initials "sf" Please note, this price includes S&P (I live in Europe) and wire transfer costs, the supplement itself is only $75.00. Now the other issue I raised, namely cyanide poisoning in case of a fire: I wasn't around when that discussion took place. I believe there was some other replacement material, which happened to be hotwire safe. However, I just received some books I bought second hand from Amazon, and it included the real sensible solution: a HALON 1221 installation in the engine compartiment and cabin, to chill the fire in case of engine fire or crash, even prevent explosion in the gas tank. I suppose the smoke from a burning main spar which could have been a perfectly acceptable barbeque fire, will choke me, so, HALON seems to be the only real good alternative. Well, if there's a heart attack waiting for me in case of panic, maybe I shouldn't go flying in the first place. Saw somebody getting killed that way. Regards, Peter Nauta Netherlands > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Ross [mailto:kae_ar@yahoo.com] > Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2000 1:48 AM > To: Ross Youngblood; Peter Nauta > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Some questions from a newbie > > > Ross is right - worrying about dying from cyanide in a > KR fire is probably a moot point. I may be badly > mistaken, but I believe cyanide is often the culprit > in many smoke inhalation deaths as it is very > frequently produced in structure fires, including > aircraft. So, if the foam isn't producing cyanide, > something else will anyway. Probably save you a lot of > suffering in the (not so) long run. > Ross, > I'd like to hear what Jeanett says if you do get to > talk to her. I also have a set of plans from about 93 > that I'd like to get KR2S supplements and updates for > and get registered in my name. Thanks, > Frank Ross, San Antonio > --- Ross Youngblood wrote: > > Peter, I added my comments below -- Ross > > Peter Nauta wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I decided to build a KR2S. I am still in the > > planning stage. > > > 2. If you can't hotwire polyurethane because of > > cyanide fumes, what about an > > > in - flight fire? That will kill anybody > > outright? > > > > We had a great discussion a few years back on the > > 'net on this topic... we beat > > it to > > death until we had what we call a "dead horse" > > topic. I think if you have an > > in-flight > > fire, the heart attack is more likely to kill you > > than the fumes from the > > polyurethane > > foam, which are probably going to be in the > > slipstream of your aircraft. The > > thread > > we discussed was a post crash fire, and autopsy > > which somehow got us > > speculating > > on cyanide as a cause... however smoke inhalation > > could have been anything > > besides > > the cyanide. > > Hey, thats what makes KR-net fun... reading > > questions, and seeing if working on > > > > a KR actually was a learning experience.... it is! > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 20:10:20 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: insurance Message-ID: I use PICLife. been real happy with them. www.piclife.com Do you guys know that your life insurance through work wont cover you in an experimental or private aircraft? Rich Parker ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:18:22 -0400 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: RE: KR> Re: insurance Message-id: <613309F30B6DD2118C020000F809376C0559B318@emss03m09.orl.lmco.com> Some work insurance will. We have an accidental death and dismemberment coverage that will cover you as a private pilot in a CERTIFIED aircraft only. Norman F. Garland Jr. > -----Original Message----- > From: Richard Parker [SMTP:richontheroad@hotmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 4:10 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Re: insurance > > I use PICLife. been real happy with them. www.piclife.com > > Do you guys know that your life insurance through work wont cover you in > an > experimental or private aircraft? > > Rich Parker > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 15:37:51 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Re: insurance Message-ID: <002501c007c1$d99e0bb0$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > We have an accidental death and dismemberment coverage that will cover you > as a private pilot in a CERTIFIED aircraft only. Mine covers Experimental too! Says so in plain English, which is fairly mind boggling to me. In one place it specifically excludes Experimentals, and 10 pages later in "exlusions" it says that it does cover Experimental planes, but not when doing something stupid that's against the regs. Otherwise I'm good to go. My point is that it's worth checking, and your personnel department might be able to get a little something extra for you for a few extra bucks. Otherwise the EAA's policy isn't too bad, but is quite a bit more expensive than my company's. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:32:44 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Re: insurance Message-ID: <000e01c007c9$84d97a80$58e6a58c@tbe.com> > In one place it specifically excludes Experimentals, and 10 > pages later in "exlusions" it says that it does cover Experimental planes, > but not when doing something stupid that's against the regs. Otherwise I'm > good to go. Duh, swap "exclusions" for "endorsements", if you will... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:11:45 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: insurance Message-ID: Unfortunately insurance companies dont care about quality inspectors or builders. Its all about statistics and $$$. RP >From: "Robert Stone" >Reply-To: "Robert Stone" >To: "KRNet" >Subject: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft >Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:31:23 -0500 > >Netters: In reference to the remarks made by Norm Garland and Rich Parker >I have this to say. Spam Cans (Factory Certified inefficient machines to >say the least) are put together by people who do not fly or at least are >not going to fly what they are building. The quality control inspector >isn't going to fly it either. > > On the other hand, the guy or in some cases gals who build >a flying machine are going to fly in it so you tell me which is the most >likely the one to be built the best and safest. I know insurance companies >don't see it that way but I do. > > >Bob Stone ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:31:23 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <003b01c0088a$1d5cbd60$44e818d0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C00860.3347CCC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters: In reference to the remarks made by Norm Garland and Rich = Parker I have this to say. Spam Cans (Factory Certified inefficient = machines to say the least) are put together by people who do not fly or = at least are not going to fly what they are building. The quality = control inspector isn't going to fly it either. =20 On the other hand, the guy or in some cases gals who = build a flying machine are going to fly in it so you tell me which is = the most likely the one to be built the best and safest. I know = insurance companies don't see it that way but I do. = Bob Stone ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C00860.3347CCC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 16:53:39 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: RE: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-id: <613309F30B6DD2118C020000F809376C0559B31B@emss03m09.orl.lmco.com> I've been in the aorespace industry longer than I want to remember and I agree whole heartedly with the comments about spam-cans. I just wish that I could get the same coverage for experimentals at the same price like Mark has. It sure would make the wife feel better. If something were to happen to me she could allways BUY a new husband. Norman > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stone [SMTP:rlspjs@dashlink.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 4:31 PM > To: KRNet > Subject: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft > > Netters: In reference to the remarks made by Norm Garland and Rich > Parker I have this to say. Spam Cans (Factory Certified inefficient > machines to say the least) are put together by people who do not fly or at > least are not going to fly what they are building. The quality control > inspector isn't going to fly it either. > > On the other hand, the guy or in some cases gals who build > a flying machine are going to fly in it so you tell me which is the most > likely the one to be built the best and safest. I know insurance > companies don't see it that way but I do. > > > Bob Stone ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:31:15 -0500 To: Robert Stone From: David McKelvey CC: KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <399B4E73.C9B77AD2@gte.net> Here's another thought on this. I bought a project about 75% complete and after redoing many things like home made hardware in the flight controls, and chunking a set of aluminum waf's as far as I could, I'm convinced I saved this guys life buying his project. I would imagine insurance companies see a lot of this too. dave -- Dave McKelvey DAVMCK@GTE.NET Grapevine TX 817-329-0425 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 21:38:48 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <004101c007f4$461c5350$a5f780ce@300emachine> >and chunking a set of aluminum waf's as far as I could, I'm > convinced I saved this guys life buying his project. Aluminum WAFs? I believe that takes the cake!!!!!! I have a copy of a Canadian KR accident report in which the builder used PVC pipe for a vertical stab spar, among other atrocities. He hadn't bothered to register it, nor was he anywhere near current, when it crashed killing him and his son. And some of ya'll think I'M taking chances... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 07:34:07 -0400 To: davmck@gte.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: BTabbert@maximcrane.com Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: Dave, I purchased a kit partially complete as well and found that it had aluminum WAF's, however everything else on it looks great. I suggest anyone that has purchased a project hit the WAF's with a magnet to insure that they are at least steel. If they appear to be home made, having them tested for harness (grade) may be advisable. Bill Tabbert http://jillenium.members.easyspace.com Here's another thought on this. I bought a project about 75% complete and after redoing many things like home made hardware in the flight controls, and chunking a set of aluminum waf's as far as I could, I'm convinced I saved this guys life buying his project. I would imagine insurance companies see a lot of this too. dave -- Dave McKelvey DAVMCK@GTE.NET Grapevine TX 817-329-0425 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:57:35 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449B40@sasltd06.sasol.com> Some people have asked me why i don't use stainless steel on my fittings they seem to think that stainless steel in stronger than regular steel. There are some that are very strong but you will know this straight away as you will most likely pay 10 times as much for them as you would for the 4130 steel. If you're not sure what you have, have it tested. Test each piece do not assume they are all the same type. If you have a refinery nearby the inspection companies or metallurgical labs could test it for you with a spec test or nuclear analyzer. Be 100% sure what you are using in you craft, its safer and you will sleep and fly more comfortably. Danny South Africa > -----Original Message----- > From: BTabbert@maximcrane.com [SMTP:BTabbert@maximcrane.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 1:34 PM > To: davmck@gte.net; krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft > > > Dave, I purchased a kit partially complete as well and found that it had > aluminum WAF's, however everything else on it looks great. I suggest > anyone > that has purchased a project hit the WAF's with a magnet to insure that > they are at least steel. If they appear to be home made, having them > tested > for harness (grade) may be advisable. > > > > Bill Tabbert > > http://jillenium.members.easyspace.com > > > > > > > > Here's another thought on this. I bought a project about 75% complete > and after redoing many things like home made hardware in the flight > controls, and chunking a set of aluminum waf's as far as I could, I'm > convinced I saved this guys life buying his project. > I would imagine insurance companies see a lot of this too. > > dave > > -- > Dave McKelvey DAVMCK@GTE.NET > Grapevine TX > 817-329-0425 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:40:10 EDT To: LIVD0124@natref.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: ACMan5548@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <14.7f18eb1.26cd615a@aol.com> I have seen several people on the net saying they purchased projects that had aluminum wing attachments. I am wondering if these sellers had made them for temporary construction use and not intended for flight, (Or I hope not), until they could get the 1/8" 4130 stock needed. The reason I suggest this is, I just started fabricating my wing attachment hardware. I went to Aircraft Spruce and bought the last peace of 1/8"x1" 4130 (needed to cut down to .5") They were totally out of 1/8" x 1 1/2" and have been out for quite a while and don't know when they will get any more. They said they are having a hard time finding a source for 1/8" 4130. I also tried Wicks and several local steel suppliers no stock. I finally bought a peace of 3/16" x 1 1/2" and will machine it down to the correct thickness. Bottom line, 1/8" 4130 comes in sheets and no one will sheet off a 1 1/2" strip off a full sheet. I'm committed now but I think buying the fittings from RR or Sangfroid maybe the thing to do. Tony Mission Viejo, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:46:07 EDT To: ACMan5548@aol.com, LIVD0124@natref.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: ACMan5548@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <68.686bfb2.26cd62bf@aol.com> In a message dated 8/17/00 8:41:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, ACMan5548@aol.com writes: << I have seen several people on the net saying they purchased projects that had aluminum wing attachments. I am wondering if these sellers had made them for temporary construction use and not intended for flight, (Or I hope not), until they could get the 1/8" 4130 stock needed. The reason I suggest this is, I just started fabricating my wing attachment hardware. I went to Aircraft Spruce and bought the last peace of 1/8"x1" 4130 (needed to cut down to .5") They were totally out of 1/8" x 1 1/2" and have been out for quite a while and don't know when they will get any more. They said they are having a hard time finding a source for 1/8" 4130. I also tried Wicks and several local steel suppliers no stock. I finally bought a peace of 3/16" x 1 1/2" and will machine it down to the correct thickness. Bottom line, 1/8" 4130 comes in sheets and no one will shear off a 1 1/2" strip off a full sheet. I'm committed now but I think buying the fittings from RR or Langford maybe the thing to do. Tony Mission Viejo, CA >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 09:03:39 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Safety---Spam cans vers Homebuilt aircraft Message-ID: <20000817160339.11448.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com> Did I understand that some of you feel that homebuilts are built better and are more reliable than Pipers and Cessnas? If that's a correct assumption you guys are smoking crack! I am not saying that homebuilts are more dangerous but if your saying build quality is better I have to disagreed 100%! Spam cans maybe slow and use old technology but they are VERY well built and extremely safe. Just because the person who built the plane isn't planning on flying in it doesn't mean he will do shoddy work. Give me a break. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 19:21:57 -0700 To: From: "Richard Reaves" Subject: oil leaks Message-ID: <008201c007f1$f2438d40$13d219ce@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C007B7.3EB91360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sure is nice having all this wisdom & years of experiece at your = fingertips. Ask & yea shall receive ! I hope! I have a 1946 BC12D with = 65 cont. & oil leaks from (mags?) looks like it anyway. Does anyone have = any ideas or solutions. Previous owner mentioned leather washers around = bolts. Thanks Richard Reaves N94909 Myrtle Beach SC =20 ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C007B7.3EB91360-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 17:55:06 -0700 To: From: "Al Friesen" Subject: wiring Message-ID: <005301c007e5$cad473c0$a0cb6cce@s8z8i0> ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C007AB.1CE44D60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all and sundry, I have the wiring in as per Tony Bingelis in his 2 books (The sport = plane builder and Fire wall forward) and it all works. Next week I will = do a runup then start on the cabin air and heat. Put the Cessna pedals = on the Rand pedal rods with brakes on the left, took a lot of moving = around but got them in a position were they feel good and the brakes are = not touchy. Did anybody build there own tail wheel and how did you do = it. Mine has a Scott tail wheel mount which is heavy and a bit low for = the cable control. What size rudder cable are you using, I put in 1/16" = cable and see it as strong enough? Al Friesen. = afriesen@kootenay.com ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C007AB.1CE44D60-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 22:16:41 -0700 To: From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> website update Message-ID: <000e01c0080a$552299c0$515e163f@pavilion> Netters I have just updated my website.Many new pictuers and pages. I'm finally learning how to do it. Jack Cooper kr2cooper@msn.com www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville NC. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 11:27:51 -0500 To: "ROBERT COOPER" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> website update Message-ID: <013201c00931$42276760$c5e818d0@pavilion> Bob: I looked at your web site and the wing attach fittings do not look like steel. If they are not, Have a new set made at a machine shop and make sure they use the old WAF's for a pattern when they drill the mounting holes, this way changing them will be no problem since the new holes will be in the same places. If they are in fact 4130 steel or better delete this message and forget it. Good luck with your project. I hope you plan to show it on you web site when it is finished. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROBERT COOPER" To: Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 12:16 AM Subject: Re: KR> website update > Netters > I have just updated my website.Many new pictuers and pages. I'm finally > learning how to do it. > Jack Cooper > kr2cooper@msn.com > www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ > Fayetteville NC. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 11:05:08 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: marmet Subject: Re:Brakes Message-id: <399BFF24.F52CCA0C@videotron.ca> --Boundary_(ID_DwjEXIfMD+nQHsT7acfg3g) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit I have a retractable gear KR2 with mechanical brakes (Azusa whells & brakes) that I would like to change for hydrolic brakes. I would like to order the parts but there is one thing I would like to know. Does the disk & caliper still fit in the same fork, or is there any other changes to be made?. Maybe some of you have the answer. Thanks J.C, Marcoux Quebec, CANADA --Boundary_(ID_DwjEXIfMD+nQHsT7acfg3g)-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2000 10:32:08 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Wing attach fittings Message-ID: <003501c00929$791e1e60$c5e818d0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C008FF.8F7EABE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters: The message I sent out at 3:31pm on the l7th of August got the = biggest response of anything I have ever put on the KRNet. Several = people recommend having the WAF's tested if they are in doubt as to = their strength. This is OK except the cost of testing might be more = than going to one of the many places that supply such parts and buying a = set of ready made fittings that are known to be 4130 steel or stronger. = Try as I might, I can't think of any part of the entire KR Aircraft = that is more important to get right than the parts that hold the wings = on. If a builder does not have the tools to make his own, and has to = have them made,even if he spent two or three hundred dollars in a custom = prototype machine shop, It would be money well spent. Happy and safe = Building and flying guys, = Bob Stone ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C008FF.8F7EABE0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************