From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 26 Aug 2000 15:49:27 -0000 Issue 80 Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 7:49 AM krnet Digest 26 Aug 2000 15:49:27 -0000 Issue 80 Topics (messages 1784 through 1811): Re: Any dirty airplanes??? Also Toe brakes for sale Also shoulder harnesses 1784 by: Troy Johnson 1786 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Powder Coating Kit 1785 by: JEHayward.aol.com alluminum parts in KR... 1787 by: Paolo Cavazzuti 1789 by: Paolo Cavazzuti 1791 by: Donald Reid Info on disc brakes 1788 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 1790 by: AviationMech.aol.com 1794 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) Magneto Repair 1792 by: AviationMech.aol.com About brakes, how are mine? 1793 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Aileron travel 1795 by: John and Janet Martindale 1799 by: Frank Ross 1810 by: WA7YXF.aol.com History Channel 1796 by: flykr2s.execpc.com Subaru EA-81 DD For Sale 1797 by: Richard Parker Re: compufire Ingition 1798 by: Ross Youngblood Re: Shop Vac report 1800 by: Ross Youngblood 1805 by: Mark Langford Particles (Was shop vac report) 1801 by: Ross Youngblood Re: Help Quick Please 1802 by: Mark Langford log books 1803 by: Timothy Brown 1804 by: Mike Mims 1806 by: Jeff LeTempt How to keep building 1807 by: michael beck 1811 by: Frank Ross brian storming 1808 by: ROBERT COOPER Hose 1809 by: Tim Bellville Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 19:38:40 -0700 To: From: "Troy Johnson" Subject: RE: KR> Any dirty airplanes??? Also Toe brakes for sale Also shoulder harnesses Message-ID: <000601c00d74$69a43330$0200a8c0@TROYS> Have been noticing lately a lot of references popping up to e-bay auctions and products for sale. As KR-Net members we had previously agreed not to advertise products for sale except on Fridays and keep the discussions to projects and questions. Is this no longer the case? Just wanted to pose the question as there seems to have been a lapse..... Troy > Subject: KR> Any dirty airplanes??? Also Toe brakes for sale Also > shoulder harnesses > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=411995319 > > I cornered the market on this stuff but it is not moving > > I will let it go for a Dollar a can if anybody is interested > thanks > > You can only clean a sonerai only so many times... > and I have plenty > thanks > Don S > > Also I have two sets of brake pedals set up for toe brakes if > there is any > interest > these too are for > salehttp://donan5.tripod.com/rudder_pedals_toe_brakes.JPG > thanks $35 per set and I have two sets > > Oh yeah have a few shoulder harnesses for sale these are multipoint with > retract reels > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 07:42:05 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Any dirty airplanes??? Also Toe brakes for sale Also shoulder harnesses Message-ID: <18.16de5da.26d6640d@aol.com> In a message dated 08/23/2000 10:40:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, johnsonta@earthlink.net writes: << As KR-Net members we had previously agreed not to advertise products for sale except on Fridays and keep the discussions to projects and questions. Is this no longer the case? Just wanted to pose the question as there seems to have been a lapse..... >> I believe what we are saying is that if it is related to KR's then offer it up any day. If it is a product of your own and is a "for profit" deal, then wait until Friday. Heck, if someone finds something on e-bay that I would like to bid on but would end on Thursday...................don't wait until Friday. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:12:02 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Powder Coating Kit Message-ID: Here's a note from someone on my Challenger mail list. It might be useful to some KR folks as well. Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - After looking at the thing for about a year, I finally bit the bullet and ordered the home powder coating outfit from The Eastwood Company. I admit, I was pretty skeptical of this dinky little "Toy" looking deal. Well... sometimes things still fool me. This was one of those times. I powder coated the new axle weldments that I built for the 4-1/2" Azusa brakes and the 600 x 6 wheels. Surprise, surprise, surprise ! They came out just perfect. I couldn't be happier. As you probably know, "Powder Coating" is as close to a "Bullet Proof" coating as you can get. When properly done, the coating is about 10 times more durable than any paint, including polyurethane. I saw a sample piece of about 1-1/2" steel tubing that had been powder coated bright yellow. It was then beat to a bloddy pulp, to the extent that there was not a square centimeter that had not been smashed with a ball peen hammer. There was not a single chip anywhere. Most anything that can stand the 400 degree oven cure temp. can be coated and there are numerous colors available. Anyone interested in this process can find complete information on the Eastwood web site, at: www.eastwoodcompany.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:05:11 +0200 (CEST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paolo=20Cavazzuti?= Subject: alluminum parts in KR... Message-ID: <20000824130511.1820.qmail@web1606.mail.yahoo.com> Hi guys! Some days ago I was looking an old manual from RR and I've seen a difference from the one I've received less than a mounth ago... many of the parts built from alluminum have no more rounded corners but 90 degr. ones. In partricoular the internal corner was rounded, now it's no more radiused... Is there a real mechanical difference from the old and the new ones? Or better: shurely there is, 'cause "radiused" is always better than a non radiused corner; but are the parts so stressed to be this difference so important? Thanks a lot for any answer, Paolo Cavazzuti Modena, Italy e-mail: sapiddomannaro@yahoo.it ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:38:44 +0200 (CEST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paolo=20Cavazzuti?= Subject: alluminum parts in KR... Message-ID: <20000824143844.14634.qmail@web1607.mail.yahoo.com> > many of the parts built from > alluminum have no more rounded corners but 90 degr. > ones. Sorry, I didn't specify that I'm refearing to the corners in the section views! Thanks a lot again, Paolo Cavazzuti Modena, Italy e-mail: sapiddomannaro@yahoo.it ______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Il tuo indirizzo gratis e per sempre @yahoo.it su http://mail.yahoo.it ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 13:31:52 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> alluminum parts in KR... Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000824132518.00963860@pop.erols.com> --=====================_791842==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Some days ago I was looking an old manual from RR and >I've seen a difference from the one I've received less >than a mounth ago... many of the parts built from >alluminum have no more rounded corners but 90 degr. >ones. In partricoular the internal corner was rounded, >now it's no more radiused... If you build them yourself from flat stock, the corners must be rounded with an appropriate radius. For the 6061T6, that is generally equal to the thickness of the material. This reduces the stress caused by the forming process. If you make them from extruded material, then the forming stress is not present. The radius is a lot less important. Depending upon the manufacturing process, the stock may or may not have an internal radius. The loading on the parts is generally low, so it is not a problem. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL at http://www.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm USUA Club 250 at http://www.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_791842==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 15:53:52 +0200 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: Info on disc brakes Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449B55@sasltd06.sasol.com> Hello Guys I have purchase hydraulic disk brakes that do not press on both sides (pinching the disk) of the disk but only on one side of the disk (5" diameter) with the 2 disk pads (1" diameter) at 180 degrees to each other. Does anybody know what type they are? Thanks in advance. Danny South Africa ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:53:04 EDT To: LIVD0124@natref.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Info on disc brakes Message-ID: <79.8bc276f.26d690d0@aol.com> Danny a picture would be helpful, as it could be compared to pictures in catalogs. Check some of the popular wheel and brake manufacures web sites. Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 08:17:19 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> Info on disc brakes Message-ID: <042104686D63D311B51A0000C110B8E4449B58@sasltd06.sasol.com> I will take a digital photo this weekend and post it on Monday. P.S. Ron, it sounds as if the brake system is the same as mine. Danny South Africa > -----Original Message----- > From: AviationMech@aol.com [SMTP:AviationMech@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 4:53 PM > To: LIVD0124@natref.com; krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Info on disc brakes > > Danny a picture would be helpful, as it could be compared to pictures in > catalogs. Check some of the popular wheel and brake manufacures web > sites. > > Orma > A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR > aviationmech@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/aviationmech > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:42:22 EDT To: andymona@tir.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Magneto Repair Message-ID: <55.a0ea87a.26d6f0be@aol.com> N110LR's mag is repaired and now the engine can be tuned. The fault in the mag was the condenser, and not the coil as I had suspected (an expensive lesson to learn). The initial result of the prop trim (new size is 52X52) is in the neighborhood of a 200 rpm increase. My tach now read slightly better then 3150. By the time I finish I hope to have a repeatable 3200rpm. The engine seems to be running smooth and perhaps reflects that I measured the prop twice and only cut once. Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:54:22 -0400 To: "Greg Warr" , "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: About brakes, how are mine? Message-ID: I bought my project partially completed, so I wasn't a party to the selection of some of the stuff. The brakes are stamped "HAPI" and are neatly done, but strange design. The "piston" is a large O-ring with a squear cross section, and works out to abiut 1.5 square inches. It pushes a disc against the opposing disk mounted to the wheel. Clearance is done by shimming thewheel bearings. I don't see why it wouldn't work, but sure would feel better if someone told me they had good experience with this design. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 18:37:20 +1000 To: "To post messages to the new KRNet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Aileron travel Message-ID: <000c01c00e71$841f21e0$48c429cb@f6q6r4> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C00EC3.805C0620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks My plans say aileron travel is 20 degrees up and 10 degrees down. At the = inboard tip this translates trigonometrically to 2 1/2" up and 1 1/4" = down where aileron chord is given in the plans at 7". Elsewhere in the plans and also in newsletter No.4 (refer KR archives) = travel is stated to be only 1 1/2" up and 3/4" down, ie., only 60% of = the above. Which is correct? Does this suggest that setting precise limits in this = area is unneccessary? Are these movements a default result of limits = elsewhere eg., in the design of the pivot arms attached at the rear spar = or the stick arm ratio rather than a result of any real aerodynamic = consideration,eg., to counter adverse yaw. What are the angles/distances used by people? Is adverse yaw an issue in = reality for the KR2 or does one just get used to using more or less = rudder to balance? Why do I ask? Well, I'm buggered if I can get the 10/20 angles and = distances that the plans want without resorting to a very short aileron = horn and thus little stick movement. The newsletter ones are a lot = better. My apologies if this is an old thread. John. =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C00EC3.805C0620-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:16:56 -0700 (PDT) To: John and Janet Martindale , To post messages to the new KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Aileron travel Message-ID: <20000825141656.23312.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> John, I have been reading the old newsletters too and I highly recommend them to anyone starting out to build a KR. Frequently mentioned is the way the plane handles with very little or no rudder input in turns. That would seem to indicate that yaw was not much of a factor in early KRs. I know that doesn't answer your question, but it be a start. --- John and Janet Martindale wrote: > Folks > > My plans say aileron travel is 20 degrees up and 10 > degrees down. At the inboard tip this translates > trigonometrically to 2 1/2" up and 1 1/4" down where > aileron chord is given in the plans at 7". > > Elsewhere in the plans and also in newsletter No.4 > (refer KR archives) travel is stated to be only 1 > 1/2" up and 3/4" down, ie., only 60% of the above. > > Which is correct? Does this suggest that setting > precise limits in this area is unneccessary? Are > these movements a default result of limits elsewhere > eg., in the design of the pivot arms attached at the > rear spar or the stick arm ratio rather than a > result of any real aerodynamic consideration,eg., to > counter adverse yaw. > > What are the angles/distances used by people? Is > adverse yaw an issue in reality for the KR2 or does > one just get used to using more or less rudder to > balance? > > Why do I ask? Well, I'm buggered if I can get the > 10/20 angles and distances that the plans want > without resorting to a very short aileron horn and > thus little stick movement. The newsletter ones are > a lot better. > > My apologies if this is an old thread. > > John. > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:05:39 EDT To: johnjane@chc.net.au, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Aileron travel Message-ID: <7f.8e60d41.26d863d3@aol.com> Yes John, It is an old thread.......I put the same thing on here last year and experts advised me to stay with the plans. I had read different in some old newsletters...I met a fellow here at a local fly-in who has a 1000 hours on his KR and he advised me to go 1 1/2----3/4 and just today I saw another one rigged the same........so, it is an old thread but I wish I'd learned this last year... Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:28:01 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: History Channel Message-Id: <200008251228.HAA14194@mailgw00.execpc.com> Hello Friends, The History Channel along with AOPA will be doing a documentary Called "Private Planes" August 31. The times are 10pm EST, 9:00pm Central, 8:pm Mountain and 10:00pm Pacific. Should be interesting. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:46:58 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Subaru EA-81 DD For Sale Message-ID: Its the last day to bid on my Subaru EA-81 Direct Drive. http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/ea81.htm I'll give any kr-net member who wins $100 off. Rich Parker ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:18:07 -0700 To: AviationMech@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> compufire Ingition Message-ID: <39A6801E.608967E2@teleport.com> Orma, I think that the Compu-Fire will fire at ANY advance/retard timing setting. Unlike points the hall effect magnets (4 each, one for each cylinder) spin under the pick-up once every revolution. The plug will fire, but what it does to the running of the engine, is a different matter. As for the 009 advance curve, there is a book "Hot Rodding your VW" which I think I have a link for on the krnet.org "bookstore" link. Buy the book from the link to Amazon.com and we get a dollor or so to keep the KRnet website going. (So far I have yet to see any money from this setup... looks like most people buy there books elsewhere.) I have the book (somewhere), and might be able to pull the graph off it if I can find it. AviationMech@aol.com wrote: > Thanks for the info and installation description. It was my understanding > the Slick mag would not fail without some sign or indication, but it did. I > thought that type of failure was reserved for the electronic ignitions. Now > I know better and am installing dual plug heads before departing for Barclay. > It sound like I need to install a circuit for the compu-fire to keep from > frying the coils. My mag and my 009 will both stop firing as the speed > approaches idle. I can watch the EGT decline and drop off as the engine > speed declines. As I was trying to time the 009 yesterday, I started at TDC > and kept advancing until the knock was gone and the engine was smooth at high > speed. I did notice that at the smaller lag angles the engine would idle > smooth down to where you could count the blades as they passed. As I > advances the timing, idle speed had to be increased. At what rpm does the > 009 advance and how much. Dual ignitions must both fire together at high rpm > or you cant benefit from having both. What happens at low rpm when the mag > is at 28 degree and the 009 is at 7 degree. The impulse coupler will allow > the to fire at 3 degree (or what ever it is set at relative to the engine), > and then goes to 28 degree. The 009 won't fire until 7 deg > > Orma > A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR > aviationmech@aol.com > http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:34:40 -0700 To: Mark Langford From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report Message-ID: <39A683FF.755D09D7@teleport.com> Mark, Hey that is a great! We need to post this recommendation on the KRNET recommended tools page (which does not yet exist). Also, I STILL owe you some $$, and it looks like I wont be able to get it out to you till around 9/8. I will also pitch in some funds for the porta pottee. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > VacuumHeads, > > The results are in! 6 votes for Craftsman shop vacs, 2 for Shop Vac, and > absolutely zero for any other. My favorite comments were, "prepare to be > saved", "the only thing the Genie does well is convert electricity to > sound", and "if I lived where my shop vac lives, I'd send you a picture of > it". > > So I bought a hundred dollar 5.5 hp Craftsman which came with a free a "fine > powder" filter, and it is far quieter and much more powerful than the Genie. > I vacuumed up a bunch of carbon fiber dust last night and could see no > evidence of anything floating in the air. Somehow I just KNEW I shouldn't > have to wear a dust mask or see lots of urethane dust particles floating > around while vacuuming with the Genie. Thanks for the feedback... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:08:43 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Shop Vac report Message-ID: <004d01c00ed0$45827d60$a5f780ce@300emachine> Ross Youngblood wrote: >Also, I STILL owe you some $$... Ross, Don't worry about it. That was Trailing Edge Technology's money that paid the $100 bill for the new KRNet list. Just give us $100 from this year's "hat passing" at the Gathering to pay for it next year and we'll be fine. As for the shop vac thing, I may be about to do something that I rarely do. Pack that sucker up in it's original box and take it back to Sears. I'm nowhere near "completely satisfied"! Using the "fine" filter, I've used it for a total of about 5 minutes to vacuum up dust from sanding Aeropoxy lite and carbon fiber wing fillet work, and have already plugged up the filter. In fact, there's no dust in the bottom of the canister, it's all stuck to the pleated filter! My old POS Genie is ripe for the "water pipe" conversion that Doug mentioned, since it has the side inlet described in the article. Yes, you were late Doug, but better late than never. And as for putting the vacuum cleaner outside and "just running the hose inside", that would be a bout an 80 foot hose in my case, which would be: A) too far to run back and forth to turn it on and off, and B) too many bugs entering the house on Summer nights, and C) too much loss of suction over that distance. Yes, I could make an elaborate overhead PVC system with drops all over the place with remote on/off and stuff like that, but the drops would never be where I needed them, and I shouldn't have to! The water pipe system sounds like it will do the job very nicely, using my el cheapo 12 year old Genie that probably cost me $40 back then. I shoulda listened to Dr. Dean... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:38:56 -0700 To: Bob Smith From: Ross Youngblood CC: Mark Langford , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Particles (Was shop vac report) Message-ID: <39A684FF.7E3DDC48@teleport.com> This may be a good idea... my father put a nifty vac system in his shop which vents to a chamber someplace (in another room), I'm jealous. But before you get too worried about particles... a clean room is a pretty particle free place with laminar flow air etc... air showers before entering etc (I work inside them occasionally, my wife lives in one daily). At any rate, when they do construction in some class 1000 clean rooms (dirtier clean rooms) they get away with using a shop vac to suck up the dirt as they drill or saw somthing in the floor wall etc. I'm sure it's one of those cost sensitive things, and there are particle issues. Oh well, I guess I didn't really have a point here... Bob Smith wrote: > Remember that the most dangerous (respirable) particles are too small to be > normally seen in the air, and too small to be trapped by almost any filter. > > One day the sun was beaming into my house family room and I couldn't believe > how many particles I could see in the air that otherwise looked completely > clean. > > Now that you guys have me thinking about this, I'm going to run an exit vent > from my shopvac to the outdoors. This dust can be nasty stuff. > > Bob Smith > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mark Langford > To: > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 5:27 AM > Subject: KR> Shop Vac report > > > VacuumHeads, > > > > The results are in! 6 votes for Craftsman shop vacs, 2 for Shop Vac, and > > absolutely zero for any other. My favorite comments were, "prepare to be > > saved", "the only thing the Genie does well is convert electricity to > > sound", and "if I lived where my shop vac lives, I'd send you a picture of > > it". > > > > So I bought a hundred dollar 5.5 hp Craftsman which came with a free a > "fine > > powder" filter, and it is far quieter and much more powerful than the > Genie. > > I vacuumed up a bunch of carbon fiber dust last night and could see no > > evidence of anything floating in the air. Somehow I just KNEW I shouldn't > > have to wear a dust mask or see lots of urethane dust particles floating > > around while vacuuming with the Genie. Thanks for the feedback... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 12:08:54 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Help Quick Please Message-ID: <002d01c00eb7$2628dc70$a5f780ce@300emachine> Danny wrote: > What is the AS&S part number for the aileron piano hinge? I don't guess you ever got a serious answer for this question. Wicks (which is where I'd buy it if I actually wanted it delivered sometime) lists it as MS20001-P5 and AS&S calls it the MS20001P5. $42.84 from Wicks, $39.60 from AS&S. I can't stress enough how happy I've been with every single order I've placed with Wicks (which is surely over 100 now), and how disappointed I've been with all but one order that I've made to AS&S. I'd have answered this question when you sent it, but I was at work, and my hinges are at home... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 11:33:31 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: log books Message-ID: <20000825183331.1577.qmail@web616.mail.yahoo.com> I am just starting. Have plans for KR2S, picked up Spruce yesterday, have read all of Tony Bingelis books, and hopefully will get started on construction Labor Day weekend. Any helpful hints to keep me out of trouble will be appreciated. Tony says to keep an Aircraft Log book and Construction Log. Was wanting some input from all as to what you are using and what you are keeping in the log book(s). Can I use anything as the Log or should I purchase something made commercially. I was at AS & S earlier today and saw an EAA Aircraft Log Book but it really didn't have much use for entering building information, just FAA Airworthiness page plus engine, fuel, weight and similar info on another page. Could I just use what I use to buy at college something called a Theme Book (hard cardboard front and back with about half size notebook pages in between)? Anyway, would like to find some opinions on what others are using. Everyone may not care so just respond to timwbrown@yahoo.com. Thanks. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 13:14:27 -0700 (PDT) To: Timothy Brown , Group KR NET From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> log books Message-ID: <20000825201427.7863.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com> --- Timothy Brown wrote: > Could I just use what I use to buy at college > something called a Theme Book (hard cardboard front > and back with about half size notebook pages in > between)? > Yep you can use just about anything you want. Make sure there is enough room for pictures. I plan to print my website and use it. There really isn’t any published legal guidelines for the builders log. You just need to use it to prove you built the airplane and used halfway normal construction practices while doing so. A signature buy a EAA designee and or a experienced builder might help too but its not required so don’t fret if you can not find someone to sign it. Just relax and build your toy and enjoy. ===== ........| .......-^- ....-/_____\- ...(O\__o__/O) ...[#]oxxxo[#] -----Y2K Bug--- Yes I drive one! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 15:56:54 -0500 To: "Timothy Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Jeff LeTempt" Subject: Re: KR> log books Message-ID: <007801c00ed7$0170c8a0$bda3fe3f@default> If you are in to using computers, I have two "Builder's Log" programs available on my web site for download. One is a stand alone program and the other one is for MS Access. I did not create either of them, I just have them available on my site. They are both freeware and you can find them at..... http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/texasquadj/programs.htm Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Brown To: Group KR NET Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: KR> log books > I am just starting. Have plans for KR2S, picked up > Spruce yesterday, have read all of Tony Bingelis > books, and hopefully will get started on construction > Labor Day weekend. Any helpful hints to keep me out > of trouble will be appreciated. > > Tony says to keep an Aircraft Log book and > Construction Log. Was wanting some input from all as > to what you are using and what you are keeping in the > log book(s). Can I use anything as the Log or should > I purchase something made commercially. I was at AS & > S earlier today and saw an EAA Aircraft Log Book but > it really didn't have much use for entering building > information, just FAA Airworthiness page plus engine, > fuel, weight and similar info on another page. > > Could I just use what I use to buy at college > something called a Theme Book (hard cardboard front > and back with about half size notebook pages in > between)? > > Anyway, would like to find some opinions on what > others are using. Everyone may not care so just > respond to timwbrown@yahoo.com. > > Thanks. > > Tim > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 14:14:08 -0700 (PDT) To: net From: michael beck Subject: How to keep building Message-ID: <20000825211408.27293.qmail@web3105.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Guys As I haven't been working and I have been devoting my time to things that need to get done, and building my KR2S...not necessarily in that order, my wife is starting a custom quilt making business to help support us. If any of you need to bless your wife about now, you might look at her quilts. http://home.ncia.com/~mobeck Mike Beck Sedro Woolley, WA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 08:48:52 -0700 (PDT) To: michael beck , net From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> How to keep building Message-ID: <20000826154852.23517.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Mike, You might kill two birds with one stone here. I know that up in the cool, wet, cloudy NW you don't have these problems with sun and heat even in the dead of winter, but down here in the sun belt, there might be experimental aviation clowns who would welcome low-cost, custom-made canopy sun-covers to put on our planes when we have to leave them out on the ramp for a few hours in the hot sun. Just the thing for someone who makes quilts and would like to diversify. Now, about those sling-seats... --- michael beck wrote: > Hi Guys > As I haven't been working and I have been devoting > my time to things that need to get done, and > building > my KR2S...not necessarily in that order, my wife is > starting a custom quilt making business to help > support us. If any of you need to bless your wife > about now, you might look at her quilts. > http://home.ncia.com/~mobeck > Mike Beck > Sedro Woolley, WA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 19:35:25 -0700 To: From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: brian storming Message-ID: <006601c00f06$4b140ec0$489b1c3f@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C00ECB.9DB971A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters For an old fat guy who's bones don't move so well, getting into and out = of a KR can be a challenge. I've been trying to come up with ideals that = would make it easier to enter and exit. I have been considering making = the instrument panel attached to the canopy frame so that it raises up = with the canopy. One of many concerns is the fact that the electrical = wires and pitot static tubes would have to be flexed every time the = canopy is opened and closed, but I think that they could be made to do = safely. After all there is a wire bundle in most car doors thet get = flexed quite often. I'm planning on center mounted engine controls but = they may be fixed so as not to rotate with the canpoy. I also will not = have a header tank so I will have plenty of room between the instrument = panel and the fire wall. I can also move the hinge point closer to the = fire wall if necessary. Another Ideal is to hinge the instrument panel = seperately from the canopy so that it could be raised a few inches with = the canopy open. I'm sure there are many things that I have not thought = of and I'm asking for your input as this is still very much in the = thinking and planning stage. Please feel free to offer suggestions as to = why or why not and how or how not to do this. I also would appreciate = any likely problems you can think of. It is called experimental isn't = it. Hope to see everyone at the gathering. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01C00ECB.9DB971A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 20:06:45 -0400 To: "ROBERT COOPER" , From: "Tim Bellville" Subject: Hose Message-ID: <003201c00ef1$86cc0a40$85276520@default> Does anyone have an idea on what kind of hose to use for my carb heat box to the exsuast manifold. my heat muff is welded to the stack and generats more heat then a shroud, thus I need hose that can stand up to the heat. Thanks Tim ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************