From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 28 Aug 2000 19:34:59 -0000 Issue 81 Date: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:35 AM krnet Digest 28 Aug 2000 19:34:59 -0000 Issue 81 Topics (messages 1812 through 1835): Re: brian storming 1812 by: Frank Ross 1824 by: Ronald R. Eason 1825 by: Ronald R. Eason Re: log books 1813 by: Frank Ross 1814 by: Jeff LeTempt Ignition System Help Needed 1815 by: Leigh 1816 by: Mark Langford 1820 by: DONAN5.aol.com 1826 by: AviationMech.aol.com Re: Aileron travel 1817 by: Ross Youngblood 1818 by: Ross Youngblood KR Fly-ins 1819 by: Wolf Packs, Inc Addenda on Logbooks and Designees... 1821 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Re: Shop Vac report / Addenda 1822 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER MS Access Builder's Log 1823 by: EagleGator.aol.com fuel 1827 by: Dave Vieira 1832 by: AviationMech.aol.com 1833 by: BillStarrs houston area 1828 by: Vincent Chrisovergis 1830 by: Mark Jones project update 1829 by: Mark Langford 1831 by: Frank Ross brakes mystery? 1834 by: Mark Langford conical washers 1835 by: ROBERT COOPER Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) To: ROBERT COOPER , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> brian storming Message-ID: <20000826162311.22272.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> --- ROBERT COOPER wrote: > Netters > For an old fat guy who's bones don't move so well, > getting into and out of a KR can be a challenge. Jack, The best way to take 50 pounds off my plane is lose 50 lbs off my waistline. I have put on a pound a year in the last 30 yrs increasing to 2 lbs/yr the last 10 yrs. It sneaks up on you. We're not alone. I am sure this is why I have trouble getting in and out of small places now and why my joints ache (couldn't be old age). I know if I ate 2000 calories a day (including beer), quit eating ice cream and potato chips and drank water instead of cola drinks, I'd drop that 50 lbs in about a year. Maybe if I just spent more time working on my plane instead of sitting at this computer... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 17:57:39 -0500 To: "ROBERT COOPER" , From: "Ronald R. Eason" Subject: Re: KR> brian storming Message-ID: <003401c0107a$348ec440$8b7239ce@winbook> I've been thinking the same thoughts. Since I don't have a large header tank to deal with, I can move the canopy forward also. Not all the controls on the instrument panel need to rise with the canopy. Just the ones mounted in the entrance area. Interesting idea. KRron -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT COOPER To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Friday, August 25, 2000 6:36 PM Subject: KR> brian storming Netters For an old fat guy who's bones don't move so well, getting into and out of a KR can be a challenge. I've been trying to come up with ideals that would make it easier to enter and exit. I have been considering making the instrument panel attached to the canopy frame so that it raises up with the canopy. One of many concerns is the fact that the electrical wires and pitot static tubes would have to be flexed every time the canopy is opened and closed, but I think that they could be made to do safely. After all there is a wire bundle in most car doors thet get flexed quite often. I'm planning on center mounted engine controls but they may be fixed so as not to rotate with the canpoy. I also will not have a header tank so I will have plenty of room between the instrument panel and the fire wall. I can also move the hinge point closer to the fire wall if necessary. Another Ideal is to hinge the instrument panel seperately from the canopy so that it could be raised a few inches with the canopy open. I'm sure there are many things that I have not thought of and I'm asking for your input as this is still very much in the thinking and planning stage. Please feel free to offer suggestions as to why or why not and how or how not to do this. I also would appreciate any likely problems you can think of. It is called experimental isn't it. Hope to see everyone at the gathering. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:21:37 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , "ROBERT COOPER" , From: "Ronald R. Eason" Subject: Re: KR> brian storming Message-ID: <007401c0107d$8e0013a0$8b7239ce@winbook> 3500 calories equal one pound of weight. Combining diet and exercise equal to 3500 calories and you will lose one pound per week. I've lost 10 lbs.. I ten weeks. Its slow, I know but it went on slow also. KRron -----Original Message----- From: Frank Ross To: ROBERT COOPER ; krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:23 AM Subject: Re: KR> brian storming > >--- ROBERT COOPER wrote: >> Netters >> For an old fat guy who's bones don't move so well, >> getting into and out of a KR can be a challenge. > >Jack, >The best way to take 50 pounds off my plane is lose 50 >lbs off my waistline. I have put on a pound a year in >the last 30 yrs increasing to 2 lbs/yr the last 10 >yrs. It sneaks up on you. We're not alone. I am sure >this is why I have trouble getting in and out of small >places now and why my joints ache (couldn't be old >age). I know if I ate 2000 calories a day (including >beer), quit eating ice cream and potato chips and >drank water instead of cola drinks, I'd drop that 50 >lbs in about a year. Maybe if I just spent more time >working on my plane instead of sitting at this >computer... > > >===== >Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! >http://mail.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 09:39:49 -0700 (PDT) To: Jeff LeTempt , Timothy Brown , Group KR NET From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> log books Message-ID: <20000826163949.6027.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> --- Jeff LeTempt wrote: you can find them > at..... > > http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/texasquadj/programs.htm > > Jeff Jeff, Five tries, can't get your site to come up ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:35:07 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , "Timothy Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Jeff LeTempt" Subject: Re: KR> log books Message-ID: <007101c00f8c$5e49b220$e7a3fe3f@default> It looks like the xoom.com server is experiencing some technical difficulties. I guess that should be expected once in a while considering that it is free. Try back a little later and it will probably work. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Ross To: Jeff LeTempt ; Timothy Brown ; Group KR NET Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2000 11:39 AM Subject: Re: KR> log books > --- Jeff LeTempt wrote: > you can find them > > at..... > > > > > http://members.xoom.com/_XMCM/texasquadj/programs.htm > > > > Jeff > > > Jeff, > Five tries, can't get your site to come up > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:31:07 +0200 To: From: "Leigh" Subject: Ignition System Help Needed Message-ID: <000e01c00f94$30bc5800$7585ef9b@intekom.co.za> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C00FA4.F23CD4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Listers Does anybody have the correct pin allocations for the Electronic = ignition, amplifier unit used on a type 4 VW engine. There are 6 wires = going into the amplifier unit. One ground, one +12V, One from the -ve = of the coil, and three wires (red, green,black) from the pulse unit = inside the distibutor. =20 I connected the whole lot up today to test it and I could get no spark. = I suspect one or more of the wires may not be at the correct pins on the = amplifier unit. Unfortunately I inheritted this lot without any real = info or drawings, so I don't know what should go to each pin number. I = had it connected the way the previous guy had it which was supposed to = be correct. Maybe it's not, but now where to start? This is the = standard electronic ignition that came with the type 4 VW engine. Any help would be great. Cheers Leigh =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C00FA4.F23CD4E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 14:52:19 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Ignition System Help Needed Message-ID: <002e01c00f97$2553ef70$a5f780ce@300emachine> Leigh wrote: >Does anybody have the correct pin allocations for the Electronic ignition, amplifier unit >used on a type 4 VW engine. It would be very helpful to know what kind of car (411, 412, Type 2 Bus) and year that the engine came out of, if you know. But an engine serial number might suffice. I don't know if I have anything on it, but I'll take a look... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 21:10:17 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DONAN5@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Ignition System Help Needed Message-ID: I personally have the GP electonic module on my sonerai but has anybody tried or heard much about the electonic ign from England seems like a good idea uses ford parts and uses little power to operate; I heard that John Monnett has bought a set and is testing it now on the sonex was just wondering if anybody else has any experience on this thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:02:58 EDT To: DONAN5@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Ignition System Help Needed Message-ID: <49.1d20fe.26db0632@aol.com> In a message dated 8/26/00 9:11:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, DONAN5@aol.com writes: > about the electonic ign from England Any system that uses some or all off the shelf parts would be of interest to me. Do you have any names or E-mails Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:53:55 -0700 To: John and Janet Martindale From: Ross Youngblood CC: To post messages to the new KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Aileron travel Message-ID: <39A82E62.A14B7517@teleport.com> John, Thanks for the post. I recently checked one of my Ailerons for the travel shown in the control horn drawing which was somthing like a 3 deg down angle... at any rate, I have further investigation to do on my plane, so this reminded me to do the homework. I recall a Newsletter post from Stu Robinson one time indicating that the design of the ailerons was done the way it was specificily to manage adverse yaw, and I think he even remarked that in his flights of the KR, he found very little rudder was needed to counteract adverse yaw as a result. I'm not sure if it was the gap or the length that contributed to this designed in correction for adverse yaw... perhaps someone else is familiar with that article and can post.... so, I guess that I'm saying that I think the newsletter info may be O.K. On the other hand, the book "Test Flying Your Homebuilt Aircraft" by Vaugh Askew[sp?] (Check the krnet.org website), suggests that all controls have adjustable stops... I think the KR design is slightly deficient in this area, in that all your control stops are "designed in" and it is up to the individual builder to come up with post first flight adjustments. Not that I have heard of a lot of need for this, just that it seemed like a good idea to have adjustable stops when I read it... I don't currently have anything like this, and will stick to plans for now. -- Regards Ross John and Janet Martindale wrote: > Folks > > My plans say aileron travel is 20 degrees up and 10 degrees down. At the inboard tip this translates trigonometrically to 2 1/2" up and 1 1/4" down where aileron chord is given in the plans at 7". > > Elsewhere in the plans and also in newsletter No.4 (refer KR archives) travel is stated to be only 1 1/2" up and 3/4" down, ie., only 60% of the above. > > Which is correct? Does this suggest that setting precise limits in this area is unneccessary? Are these movements a default result of limits elsewhere eg., in the design of the pivot arms attached at the rear spar or the stick arm ratio rather than a result of any real aerodynamic consideration,eg., to counter adverse yaw. > > What are the angles/distances used by people? Is adverse yaw an issue in reality for the KR2 or does one just get used to using more or less rudder to balance? > > Why do I ask? Well, I'm buggered if I can get the 10/20 angles and distances that the plans want without resorting to a very short aileron horn and thus little stick movement. The newsletter ones are a lot better. > > My apologies if this is an old thread. > > John. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 13:55:44 -0700 To: Frank Ross From: Ross Youngblood CC: John and Janet Martindale , To post messages to the new KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Aileron travel Message-ID: <39A82ED0.F3F7D406@teleport.com> Frank Ross wrote: > John, > I have been reading the old newsletters too and I > highly recommend them to anyone starting out to build > a KR. Frequently mentioned is the way the plane > handles with very little or no rudder input in turns. > That would seem to indicate that yaw was not much of a > factor in early KRs. I know that doesn't answer your > question, but it be a start. Thanks John, I had read this as well, it I believe was a design goal of Stu Robinson, and I just posted that I recall reading where he discussed this in the KR newsletter and/or on KR-net. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 16:11:28 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Wolf Packs, Inc" Subject: KR Fly-ins Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000826151336.00b016d0@pop.mindspring.com> I just got home from a GREAT fly-in at Mardas, Oregon where two KR2's flew in. That's two more than Oshkosh and who's ever heard of Madras? The 15 year old KR with over 1,000 hours on it looked great. It was piloted by a super nice guy named Dave. Mine is still wearing flat white primer but it flies just fine and I heard this would be a good fly-in so off we went. I think the consensus among the 7 KR flyers and builders I met was that the smaller fly-ins are getting to be much more fun than the big commercial, retail dollar oriented events. Attending the KR gathering in KY would involve taking a week or more off from work for the flyers and builders on the west coast so... which up coming fly-in out west could we invade with KR's? Paul Martin Ashland, OR www.wolfpacks.com/KR ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:24:13 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Addenda on Logbooks and Designees... Message-ID: Designees are now tech counselors, and we don't sign anything except the report ( a few sparse lines) that we send to EAA. I always scan a copy and give it to the builder, which may be a violation of the policy, and surely seems to be the same thing, only "left-handed" ( aka Tongue- in -cheek ). The builder CAN write in his logbook something like " Ron F was here (EAA Tech Counselor #4125) and commented VERY favorably on all my nice work, and looked at the spars before closing... etcetra.... This policy seems to me to be very close picking of nits, but that's the rules (EAA rules). As far as a I know, there is no follow/ review by FAA DARs. There is no officail activity if the builder is NOT and EAA member. TCs have no liability issues according to this policy, which may only be some attorney's opinion. However, three TC reports will qualify you for insurace with AVEMCO from the initial flights, which is certainly a value. One of the best "logbboks" in my opinion, is a good digital camaera operation. And, don't forget to back up the data. ........| Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Aug 2000 20:24:14 -0400 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Shop Vac report / Addenda Message-ID: There are large paper filters ( sacks, really ) that will install inside most shop vavs ( but not DirtDevils) which give very large filter areas and SUPER suction because of the reduced pressure drop. Check Black and Decker stores for one location. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com Mark Langford wrote.... As for the shop vac thing, I may be about to do something that I rarely do. Pack that sucker up in it's original box and take it back to Sears. I'm nowhere near "completely satisfied"! Using the "fine" filter, I've used it for a total of about 5 minutes to vacuum up dust from sanding Aeropoxy lite and carbon fiber wing fillet work, and have already plugged up the filter. In ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 14:00:30 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: MS Access Builder's Log Message-ID: If you're still looking for a builder's log, I've got an Access database that works well, possibly the same one mentioned early. You can get it http://member.aol.com/eaglegator, click on the "KR-2S Stuff" button, and download it from there. Be warned, I've been told my site sucks and I haven't updated it in a LONG time, but the files are there. Cheers, Rick Junkin, St. Charles MO EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 18:46:34 -0700 (PDT) To: KRnet From: Dave Vieira Subject: fuel Message-ID: <20000828014634.18468.qmail@web1005.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, What is the best fuel to use with a VW 2100cc?? 80/87 or 100LL or mo-gas? ===== Dave Vieira Ontario, Canada __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:27:57 EDT To: dave172c@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> fuel Message-ID: 80/87 is not readily available in my area, so I use 100LL. I have not tried 80/87, but I would not hesitate to use it with a normal compression VW. I used to buy mo gas and tanker the fuel to the airport in 5 gal cans, until once I spent an entire weekend troubleshooting a knock problem that turned out to be bad mo gas. It's scary when you develope a knock after takeoff and can't develope much power to climb. It is advisable to stick to fuel supplied at airports because of the stricter requirements placed on aviation fuels. Orma A&P /IA KR builder/driver N110LR aviationmech@aol.com http://members.aol.com/aviationmech ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:24:43 -0700 To: "Dave Vieira" , "KRnet" From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Re: KR> fuel Message-ID: <002901c010a7$e460b5e0$1e0b2aa2@starrs> It depends on the compression ratio of your engine. I have an1834 cc with normal compression for that engine. I use 87 octane auto Gas and it works fine. I think the 2100 cc has a higher compression ratio and requires 100 octane. Auto gas works fine as long as the compression ratio and the octane is correst. As far as quality is concerned , the auto gas sold at airports comes out of the same tanks as that sold at gas stations. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Vieira" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 6:46 PM Subject: KR> fuel > Hello, > > What is the best fuel to use with a VW 2100cc?? > > 80/87 or 100LL or mo-gas? > > > ===== > Dave Vieira > Ontario, Canada > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 22:36:29 -0300 To: krnet From: vjchrisovergis@ns.sympatico.ca (Vincent Chrisovergis) Subject: houston area Message-ID: <39A9C21D.611E9AA5@ns.sympatico.ca> Hello My name is vince and I,m with the KRNET group. I,ll be working in houston for a month and would to meet any builders who are building a kr2 or a stetch model. I'm in the process of a boat stage of a kr2s. I would like to meet some builders who are in the building process. Also does anyone have an idea how far is the kr meet in kentucky from houston tx.I have school during the week but I'm off on the weekends. So is it worth the driving distance. also please confirm with me the dates for the weekend gathering. thanks VINCE ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 21:05:10 -0500 To: vjchrisovergis@ns.sympatico.ca, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR> houston area Message-ID: <39A9C8D6.4CF27D59@execpc.com> It's a looooooooooooong way via highway. I used to live in DFW and spent a couple days every week in Houston. You are talking about 700 miles from Houston to Cadiz, KY. The dates are Sept 22-23. Your best bet would be to fly commercial to Nashville and rent a car and driving up from there. Last year I drove from Wisconsin and it was 11 hours. This year I am flying in to Nashville with the wife and kids and driving up from there. We will arrive on Thursday and leave Sunday. Making a mini vacation out of this. See you all there!!! Vincent Chrisovergis wrote: > > Also does anyone have an idea how far is the kr meet in kentucky from > houston tx.I have school during the week but I'm off on the weekends. So > is it worth the driving distance. also please confirm with me the dates > for the weekend gathering. thanks VINCE > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/flykr2s/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 20:54:40 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: project update Message-ID: <000b01c01092$ef245820$a5f780ce@300emachine> KRNetHeads, Well, it's been two months since I updated my webpage, so I took the time to do it tonight. Mostly wing root fillet, more KR/Corvair cowling studies (I think this one is lookin' good) and Corvair prop hub. It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html#update . If you try to go all the way to the bottom of this page without a load of RAM you'll start seeing red X's in little boxes. Hitting "update" sometimes helps, but the new stuff is at the top, and the stuff at the bottom has been copied to wherever is appropriate (so you're not going to miss anything). This week I hope to do some serious finish work on the body. I'd love to throw a coat of Smooth Prime on it in the next week or two so it'll stop looking so homely... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 19:49:11 -0700 (PDT) To: Mark Langford , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> project update Message-ID: <20000828024911.25163.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, I get those little red Xs to show a picture by "RIGHT-CLICKING" on the red X and clicking on "Show Picture" Has worked every time so far --- Mark Langford wrote: > KRNetHeads, > > Well, it's been two months since I updated my > webpage, so I took the time to > do it tonight. Mostly wing root fillet, more > KR/Corvair cowling studies (I > think this one is lookin' good) and Corvair prop > hub. It's at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html#update > . If you try to go all > the way to the bottom of this page without a load of > RAM you'll start seeing > red X's in little boxes. Hitting "update" sometimes > helps, but the new > stuff is at the top, and the stuff at the bottom has > been copied to wherever > is appropriate (so you're not going to miss > anything). This week I hope to > do some serious finish work on the body. I'd love > to throw a coat of Smooth > Prime on it in the next week or two so it'll stop > looking so homely... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:01:02 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: brakes mystery? Message-ID: <001f01c010e7$a3a986e0$58e6a58c@tbe.com> Danny Livingstone sent me this photo of a set of brakes (http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dl_brakes.jpg ), wondering exactly who makes them and if they'll work on a KR. Anybody have a clue? He also sent an updated picture of his KR2S, which is at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dl.jpg . Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:33:20 -0700 To: From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: conical washers Message-ID: <001301c0113f$f956c8c0$2dba143f@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C01105.4BAFE060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm building the horizontal stabilizer and elevator. I will be using Dr. = Dean type hinges. On helicopters I used to fly conical washers were = always used under the bolt head so that if the rod end bearing ever = failed the washer would still maintain the connection. I've looked = through Wicks and AS&S and have not located any conical washers except = washers for the countersunk screws. Can anyone help? Also I have the kak worm. I downloaded the patch to fix it but it = doesn't did not fix the problem. If anuone can help on this please reply = direct. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C01105.4BAFE060-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************