From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Sep 2000 11:39:11 -0000 Issue 95 Date: Monday, September 25, 2000 3:39 AM krnet Digest 25 Sep 2000 11:39:11 -0000 Issue 95 Topics (messages 2147 through 2169): Gathering 2147 by: DClarke351.aol.com 2155 by: Bob Smith 2157 by: Tom Crawford 2163 by: Edwin Blocher CG for KR2S 2148 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 2162 by: Mark Langford Re: turn and bank indicator RFI? 2149 by: Ross Youngblood 2150 by: Ross Youngblood 2151 by: Robert E. Moser Revmaster 2152 by: Kd5cdg.aol.com 2153 by: Mike Mims N541RY Progress Report 2154 by: Ross Youngblood wood twist in rudder 2156 by: Bob Smith brakes 2158 by: david barner 2159 by: HAshraf.aol.com O.T. D'fly canopy for sale 2160 by: Manning Video Gathering news. 2161 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 2164 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 2165 by: saunders 2167 by: Cleo Greenhaw 2001 Gathering 2166 by: EagleGator.aol.com 2000 2168 by: John Roffey Re: Engine 2169 by: Mark Langford Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:15:31 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DClarke351@aol.com Subject: Gathering Message-ID: I hope all are having a fine time there at Lake Barkley. Sorry I could not be there. Perhaps next time. Don Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:04:13 -0700 To: , From: "Bob Smith" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Message-ID: <002d01c02641$15676040$5d911918@nycap.rr.com> I really wanted to go to Lake Barkley and even planned to drive there from NY (no spare cash for plane tickets since I'm going to Grand Cayman to snorkel for Thanksgiving) but at the last minute I just couldn't justify a 34 hour round trip drive for 16 hours (Sat) of KR fun. Hope to make it next year. Hope everyone had a great time and nice weather! Bob Smith, Albany, NY ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 1:15 PM Subject: KR> Gathering > I hope all are having a fine time there at Lake Barkley. Sorry I could not be > there. Perhaps next time. Don Clarke > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:01:23 -0400 To: DClarke351@aol.com From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Message-ID: <39CE0933.2096@ufl.edu> DClarke351@aol.com wrote: > > I hope all are having a fine time there at Lake Barkley. Sorry I could not be > there. Perhaps next time. Don Clarke > > I too, was unable to fly to Lake Barkley this year because of weather. Between a tropical storm in my area, and a front north of me, there was just no way. (Sorry Dana.) Maybe next year. Although, since I was in town, I went to the UF/Kentucky football game on Saturday. (Sorry Dana.) Maybe next year. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL Go Gators! N262TC Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:09:23 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Gathering Message-ID: <00d201c01918$48659420$d4e279a5@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C018EE.5E79D660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just made it home from the Gathering. Everyone had a great time even = though the weather kept the KR's away. There was a good number of KR = people that got there by other means. There were only 6 or 7 there off = and on (some were still there at 10:00 AM when I left). Hope you guys = got home OK. We all need to give Dana lots of claps for putting on two great = Gatherings. I'm already looking forward to next year. ED Ed Blocher e-mail kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ------=_NextPart_000_00CF_01C018EE.5E79D660-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:36:56 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: CG for KR2S Message-ID: <20000923.173656.-211887.0.klw1953@juno.com> Hi all, since 6399U is officially completed and ready for weight and balance, can someone tell me if the CG for the 2S is the same as the KR2. All I have are the numbers for the KR2 . Thanks for any help-----------------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:06:17 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> CG for KR2S Message-ID: <00a301c02673$aa20e170$f2de8e18@300emachine> Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > Hi all, since 6399U is officially completed and ready for weight and > balance, can someone tell me if the CG for the 2S is the same as the KR2. > All I have are the numbers for the KR2 . Exactly the same, if you follow the plans, assuming you're measuring from the front of the airfoil at the root. Amazing how that worked out, isn't it? Keep in mind that the S is extended 2" between firewall and wing though, if you use the firewall as your datum and copy somebody else's weight and balance sheet. Prudence requires that you not use the aftmost 2" of the the plans' envelope, lest you want to spend all your time chasing the horizon, but that's just my opinion, and we know about those... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:34:48 -0700 To: Mark Langford From: Ross Youngblood CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Message-ID: <39CD3E18.9350341E@teleport.com> Mark, I thought I had checked my Turn & bank with the radio and all was O.K. however it's been a while. I went overboard on using the sheilded wire on my radio harness install. All the Audio inputs used shielded wire so hopefully no noise would get in that way. One thing you could try would be to get an electrolitic capacitor (about 50V 22ua or so) and place it across the 12V to ground connections on the turn and bank. This might help if there is noise getting coupled onto the +12V line from it. Another crazy idea would be to wrap the case in aluminum foil or wire mesh and ground the case. This would shield any RF noise from the motor coming via the inside of the case... however it might leak out via the front part of the case. I rent a Piper Archer with a beacon strobe that has a similar problem... if I owned the plane, I would check the wiring and fix it.... -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > I got an email last week from a guy that had seen my web page and wondered > if my turn and bank indicator (which was just like his) had created any > radio noise. I wasn't entirely sure if I had checked that, so I tried it > tonight. The radio noise level could only be described as "horrendous". > This one is a "Falcon Guage" made in China. Anybody else have a noisy one, > or is everybody else's quiet (radio interference wise)? Looks like I > screwed up trying to save a few bucks on the import... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:44:27 -0700 To: Peter Nauta From: Ross Youngblood CC: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" Subject: Re: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Message-ID: <39CD405B.FE8490E@teleport.com> I like tantalum capacitors better too, but I have seen them short out as well, (in fact I had a bad new one the other day.. gave up after replacing two and went to electrolitic...) I think the best thing is to insure you have a Fuse on the line for the T&B. -- Ross Peter Nauta wrote: > ...as a matter of fact, you don't want that cap inside your meter anyway, > because once it shorts out, you may have to strip open your meter. Now, > instead, you only mount a new one. So, there are pluses and minuses. Take > care about the leads, that 10uF (electrolytic) will need to be polarised the > right way, like a battery. Also make sure that 10uF is well over 12V, make > it a large one like 40V or so. Maybe a good idea to make sure your > instruments are protected by a fuse, and that fuse won't run your ignition, > or you may be in trouble. Tantalum caps tend to be more reliable. > > Rgds, > > Peter Nauta > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: jshays [mailto:jshays@interaccess.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 3:31 PM > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: RE: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? > > > > > > Hey! My wife was made in China, I kinda resent that. But anyway a 1 or 10 > > uf cap across the +/- leads should fix the indicator. With regard to the > > wifes noise... > > > > Regards, Jeff Hays. > > > > >===== Original Message From Ron Eason ===== > > >That's all you have to say "made in China" > > > > > >KRron > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: Mark Langford > > >To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:41 PM > > >Subject: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? > > > > > > > > >>I got an email last week from a guy that had seen my web page > > and wondered > > >>if my turn and bank indicator (which was just like his) had created any > > >>radio noise. I wasn't entirely sure if I had checked that, so > > I tried it > > >>tonight. The radio noise level could only be described as "horrendous". > > >>This one is a "Falcon Guage" made in China. Anybody else have > > a noisy one, > > >>or is everybody else's quiet (radio interference wise)? Looks like I > > >>screwed up trying to save a few bucks on the import... > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > >. > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:59:40 -0400 To: Ross Youngblood ,Mark Langford From: "Robert E. Moser" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> turn and bank indicator RFI? Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000923215837.00b27750@viper> Hi, Another idea is to put an RF choke in series with the offending components (on both legs). Robert At 04:34 PM 9/23/00 -0700, Ross Youngblood wrote: >Mark, > I thought I had checked my Turn & bank with the radio and all was O.K. >however it's been a while. I went overboard on using the sheilded wire on my >radio harness install. All the Audio inputs used shielded wire so >hopefully no > >noise would get in that way. > One thing you could try would be to get an electrolitic capacitor >(about 50V 22ua or so) and place it across the 12V to ground connections >on the turn and bank. This might help if there is noise getting coupled onto >the +12V line from it. Another crazy idea would be to wrap the case in >aluminum >foil or wire mesh and ground the case. This would shield any RF noise >from the > >motor coming via the inside of the case... however it might leak out via the >front >part of the case. > I rent a Piper Archer with a beacon strobe that has a similar problem... if >I owned the plane, I would check the wiring and fix it.... > -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:59:55 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kd5cdg@aol.com Subject: Revmaster Message-ID: Has anyone got an adress for Revmaster? Also I have a sterba prop 52x52 and am at 6200 feet to start ...should I go to a 52x42? Also what is a good carb to replace the side draft posa for a 2100 revmaster? Thanks all, David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:06:15 -0700 From: Mike Mims CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Revmaster Message-ID: <39CD6FA7.C7840939@home.com> Kd5cdg@aol.com wrote: > > > Has anyone got an adress for Revmaster? Its on my webpage __________________ Micheal Mims Trying to get this thing done! http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/anchor/270/ http://explanes.com/ Aliso Viejo Ca ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:15:58 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: N541RY Progress Report Message-ID: <39CD7FFE.CC2454FF@teleport.com> Whew! it feels good to get out and work on the plane again. It looks like fall is around the corner as the temperature was below 100 degrees here in the Phoenix Area. I pulled the KR out of the garage to do some minor work and actually got some work done. I re-installed the left aileron hinge (hasn't been on since before paint), and worked on the canopy latch. I think once I get the canopy latch done, and fix a minor fuel system leak (near the selector valve), I will be ready to do some taxi testing! Well, there is the minor issue of the tiedown anchors in the wings... I have made blocks for them, but need to cut into the wing and install them. I have found a nice tiedown spot to take my airplane for taxi testing (I think), but there is still the old Williams Air Force Base... that might be a better choice. I ordered my last foam (I hope), and a carb heat box for a Long-Ez, along with a cabin heat box... this should finish my firewall.. I figure I can take the Long-EZ carb heat box apart and fab what I need from it to make a good carb heat box for the Ellison. I'm not in a hurry for that as I figure I can start taxi testing without Carb heat or Cabin heat. Anyone have some good canopy lock ideas? Jeff Scott had a good one I thought which involved a key at the top center rear of the canopy. I may go this route... nothing will be perfect, but it would discourage folks from messing with the bird if it's only tied down. I hope to get the wings on and take some photos for my website tomorrow. I have been neglecting this for some time... and think it is time for some new photos. -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:08:53 -0700 To: From: "Bob Smith" Subject: wood twist in rudder Message-ID: <003101c02641$bc245000$5d911918@nycap.rr.com> Just a note to advise that I found a problem after I had framed out my rudder with spruce spar and 3 ribs. The ribs were in perfect alignment when I glued them in place since I used Langford's one-piece rib method. But after I cut the rudder free, it must have picked up a twist and the tip rib twisted out of alignment. So now I'm twisting it back into position and hope to glass it to hold in in place. Bob Smith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:27:04 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: david barner Subject: brakes Message-ID: <39CE2B58.C05F3917@frognet.net> does anyone have the url for the site that has the hydraulic brakes for the KR's Thanks Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:52:43 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> brakes Message-ID: <99.a860dc4.26ff996b@aol.com> Try http://www.greatplainsas.com You can use any light aircraft brake (Cleveland, Matco) for the KR. Look in Wicks or AS&S catalog. Haris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:42:59 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Manning Video Subject: O.T. D'fly canopy for sale Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000924124259.007f1a00@mail.adnc.com> Hi all, I have a D'fly canopy which I purchased to use in a KR-2S(XL). It's for sale due to business time constraints which put my project in indefinite delay. It's mint as in - untouch by human hands. Give a jingle if interested, Paul Paul Manning ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:44:12 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Gathering news. Message-ID: <28.b1425a5.26ffcfac@aol.com> Just getting back to the house from Lake Barkley. Believe it or not, we had pretty good weather at Lake Barkley. The only rain we had during the day on Thursday, Friday and Saturday were two pretty good showers on Saturday that lasted about 5 minutes each. Those still at Lake Barkley were weathered in this morning and looking to get out later. The weather all around us kept a lot of fliers from coming but we did have 7 KRs show up and right at 130 people. We had 5 on Thursday. As for the 2001 gathering the three nominations were OK, MN, and AK. Those at the gathering overwhelmingly voted to have Tommy Waymack host the 2001 gathering in Little Rock, Arkansas. I will be talking to Tommy and will forward the exact dates. He did say it would be around the same time of year. Thanks to all who showed up, and for those who didn't, we won't rub it in how much fun we had.........................OH, heck sure we will:-). I borrowed Doug Steen's bonanza and took a TV news lady up for some formation shots with Marty Roberts and Jim Faughn. She is going to mail me a copy and we will see about putting up an AVI. It should be great video as she is the daughter of a retired American Airlines pilot and was not concerned at all about close formation flying. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:30:03 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Gathering news. Message-ID: In a message dated 09/24/2000 5:44:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: << Those at the gathering overwhelmingly voted to have Tommy Waymack host the 2001 gathering in Little Rock, Arkansas. >> My bad, the 2001 gathering will be in Pine Bluff Arkansas, not Little Rock. I don't want anyone thinking wrong right off the bat. Remember, Pine Bluff......... Word about the gathering location. The vote for a place to take the next gathering is always voted on at the awards banquet. This year Tommy volunteer along with the Oklahoma thing. I had to pry another voting location out of the crowd. If you are interested in hosting a gathering, you NEED to be at the awards banquet and simply stand up and state your desire. This year the concern about the OK location was it's proximity to the city (as in right next too) and the fact that they don't want anyone overflying the city or the refinery. The flying would have been severely restricted. No one was there to address this concern. Of all the things we do, flying is why we have the gathering any restriction on that just about vetoes that location. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:48:07 -0400 To: , From: "saunders" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering news. Message-ID: <000901c02681$e4584280$7ca8efce@oemcomputer> Sorry we missed this years gathering. We really enjoyed last year at Lake Barkley. Any chance of changing the date of the 2001 Gathering to sometime before school starts back up? It makes it hard on those of us that have children in school. Just a suggestion. Mike Saunders Cumberland, MD saunders@hereintown.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:39:24 -0500 To: From: "Cleo Greenhaw" Subject: Fw: KR> Gathering news. Message-ID: <000f01c02699$d1f4b160$5f6a67ce@cleogree> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cleo Greenhaw" To: krnet@mailinglists.org Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 8:33 PM Subject: Re: KR> Gathering news. > Guys: I am glad for Pine Bluff. Maybe next year. I'll be closer to Pine > Bluff anyway. To the concerns about flying over Ponca City, and the > refinery...Not So. No restrictions. Sorry for us Cleo Ponca City, I like > and respect you all. Hope I can make it next year. Lets get all these > beast's flying soon as ossible .Cleo@fullnet.net > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Gathering news. > > > > In a message dated 09/24/2000 5:44:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > > > > << Those at the gathering overwhelmingly voted > > to have Tommy Waymack host the 2001 gathering in Little Rock, Arkansas. > >> > > > > My bad, the 2001 gathering will be in Pine Bluff Arkansas, not Little > Rock. > > I don't want anyone thinking wrong right off the bat. Remember, Pine > > Bluff......... > > > > Word about the gathering location. The vote for a place to take the next > > gathering is always voted on at the awards banquet. This year Tommy > > volunteer along with the Oklahoma thing. I had to pry another voting > > location out of the crowd. If you are interested in hosting a gathering, > you > > NEED to be at the awards banquet and simply stand up and state your > desire. > > This year the concern about the OK location was it's proximity to the city > > (as in right next too) and the fact that they don't want anyone overflying > > the city or the refinery. The flying would have been severely restricted. > > No one was there to address this concern. Of all the things we do, flying > is > > why we have the gathering any restriction on that just about vetoes that > > location. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:21:37 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: 2001 Gathering Message-ID: <9f.b1073e1.270010b1@aol.com> I just checked Mapquest, and its a 9 hour drive to Pine Bluff from here. Looks like I will have to get moving so that I can fly there instead. I figure that gives me about 8 months of building time before I have to start testing to get done in time for the Gathering. I think that's doable, and hope that this note inspires a few other folks to set the same goal. As far as location goes, I'd suggest several fly-ins geographically distributed to get everyone into the act. West coast and northern based folks may want to consider putting something together locally, and hopefully our overseas brethren are able to get an event scheduled, also. There were several such events reported this year, so watch the net for a Gathering near you... Work got in the way of my attending this year, hello to everyone I missed, and I'll see you next year. Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com St. Charles MO KR-2S N415RJ, "The Phantom Eagle", 40+% complete and building feverishly http://members.aol.com/eaglegator ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:23:37 -0500 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: John Roffey Subject: 2000 Message-ID: <39CEC539.648A66C@tir.com> Another Great Gathering. I want to thank Dana publicly for his effort and hospitality. Thanks Dana!!!! John Roffey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:41:33 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Fw: Engine Message-ID: <000901c026e5$8e49ee70$f2de8e18@300emachine> MotorHeads, I got the message below from a KR2S builder in Norway. Anybody know of a KR2S that's flying with a Jabiru? Thanks, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ------------------------------------------------------------ From: "Leif G Alstadsæter" To: Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 4:07 PM Subject: Engine > Hello > I`m from Norway and for over 2 - 3 year I have follow your building. > It is very interested. > > I will also startet to building one KR 2S - but we have to finish our > latest prosject Defiant, > and this have been in the air for first time no. > > That I`m wonder about is - do you no sombody have fly with the engine > Jabiru engine. > This engine is very small and is very light in kg. > > In this area a lot of this engine fly, and I think this will suit the KR2 > very good. > > I will be very happy if you can have some answer to me. > > Regard > > Leif G Alstadseter > > ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************