From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Dec 2000 01:17:44 -0000 Issue 137 Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 5:17 PM krnet Digest 11 Dec 2000 01:17:44 -0000 Issue 137 Topics (messages 3282 through 3300): Re: Motor Gliders 3282 by: John P Moyle 3293 by: Ross Youngblood Re: VW Question ... 3283 by: Mark Langford 3295 by: AviationMech.aol.com 3298 by: Albert Pecoraro Re: Main gear question 3284 by: dene collett 3285 by: Mark Langford Re: Many Thanks!! Now What?? 3286 by: Gaston Landry 3291 by: Frank Ross New Owner 3287 by: Brian Vasseur Re: Warping in elevator ... 3288 by: Bob Smith Sport Aviation Index ... 3289 by: Albert Pecoraro Axles, Brakes, Tires & Wheels! 3290 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Volkswagen Resources 3292 by: Frank Ross retract gear castings 3294 by: MLWCRW.aol.com 3296 by: Charles 'Bud' & Cheryl Midkiff Re: Questions from a lurking newbie 3297 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: failure notice 3299 by: Aggie lewanda Re: PROP EXTENTION 3300 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 12:58:37 -0800 To: foxyrn@QuixNet.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: John P Moyle Subject: Re: Motor Gliders Message-ID: <20001208.125839.-229243.0.jmoyle1@juno.com> Friday, December 8th, 2000 Micheal, Once again, I won't claim to be the final authority on this topic, but I don't believe that there is a separate rating for motor gliders. I think you just get yourself the standard sailplane training , and once you've passed your certification ride and have your licence for sailplanes you are all set. I'm reasonably sure of this, but it's been years since I've been to the gliderport. I'm out west in Fresno, CA. and the place to get a definitive answer might be Fantasy Haven @ Tehachapi CA, also known as "Skylark North" . PH: 661-822-5267 They do lots of flight training for the quiet fliers, and I'm certain that they know all about motor gliders as well. Good luck, and keep an eye on Sport Aviation magazine for more news re: the sport pilot certificate. That might be exactly what you want!! John Moyle mailto:jmoyle1@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 11:43:54 -0700 To: John P Moyle From: Ross Youngblood CC: foxyrn@QuixNet.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: Motor Gliders Message-ID: <3A327D6A.CBD74884@teleport.com> As far as I know John is correct, a Sailplane license is all you need to fly a motorglider, however a motorglider has a limitation, as I recall, on how much fuel it can carry, which may limit it usage as a power cross country machine. Unless, of course, you use it as intended and soar! -- Ross John P Moyle wrote: > Friday, December 8th, 2000 > > Micheal, > Once again, I won't claim to be the final authority on > this topic, but I don't believe that there is a separate rating > for motor gliders. I think you just get yourself the standard > sailplane training , and once you've passed your certification > ride and have your licence for sailplanes you are all set. I'm > reasonably sure of this, but it's been years since I've been to > the gliderport. I'm out west in Fresno, CA. and the place to > get a definitive answer might be Fantasy Haven @ Tehachapi > CA, also known as "Skylark North" . PH: 661-822-5267 > They do lots of flight training for the quiet fliers, and I'm > certain that they know all about motor gliders as well. Good > luck, and keep an eye on Sport Aviation magazine for more > news re: the sport pilot certificate. That might be exactly what > you want!! > > John Moyle > mailto:jmoyle1@juno.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 15:08:15 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> VW Question ... Message-ID: <003e01c0615a$fd73a7a0$561cf618@600athlon> Amazingly, I remembered to actually do what I promised, so the case serial number info is at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/type4infob.gif . There is even more detail at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/type4info.gif . Obviously, anything with a stroke of either 2.60 or 2.80 inches is a Type 4, with all the rest (2.72) being a Type 1 or Type 3. If you don't plan to modify the thing in anyway, it's clear that you need to buy a 2 liter (the bottom line) with the 71mm crank, but I personally think that anybody trying to fly a stock VW engine in a KR is wearing some pretty rosy colored glasses, unless it's an extremely light one. These are from a Chilt*n manual, and these two pages are the only reason I didn't trash it long ago (somebody gave it to me 20 years ago). I also have one for the Porsche 356 (which somebody else gave me) that pretty much defines the quality of these manuals. On the page that tells you how to adjust the valves it reads something like "To adjust the valves on your 356 engine, adjust the valves per specification". The least they could do it give you the .006" number rather than making you dig for it, especially since it's the same for all of them! And I have no idea why they'd go to the trouble of converting the millimeters to inches, especially since they're the ONLY place I've ever seen VW engine dimensions in inches! If you need a VW manual, buy a Bentley ( http://www.bentleypublishers.com/ ) and be done with it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 23:44:12 EST To: gryphonflier@earthlink.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: AviationMech@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> VW Question ... Message-ID: --part1_a0.d2f4c9c.2764641c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 12/8/00 12:09:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, gryphonflier@earthlink.net writes: > ? Are there serial numbers that indicate this? > Hp Books Chapter 3 page 33 relates engine serial numbers to type. The type 2 and 4 look similar as do the type 1 and 3. You are mostly interested in the case,l heads and crank. The rest is usually replaced. This book really good at identifing parts. Orma Aviationmech@AOL.com Builder and Pilot, KR-2 N110LR, 1984-2000 AP with Inspection Authorization --part1_a0.d2f4c9c.2764641c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 12:35:30 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> VW Question ... Message-ID: <002501c062cf$98a86920$f0d1b23f@steelcase.com> Mark, Thanks for posting the engine serial numbers on your website. Thanks also to Frank Ross for the link to Sean Bartnik's page (http://www.type2.com/bartnik/tech.htm >>> under Miscellaneous : Engine Code Interpretation). I was able to determine that the engine was in fact a Type I from a Transporter - serial number began with AE: AE 1971-1972 1600 (dual-port) The vehicle that it came from was a 1969 Transporter - go figure! ;-) I ended up buying the engine along with all the components and hardware, as well as the Cleveland wheel package (wheels, tires, brakes, calipers, master cylinders, etc.). Of course, I am going to tear down the engine (a classic no-brainer, according to Mark Langford! ;-) I think this will be a good learning experience for me. Like I mentioned in an earlier post this week, engines are not my forte. However, since joining the KR-Net I must honestly say that my knowledge about engines (both automotive and aircraft) has increased substantially. So you see, the KR-Net is good for you! Tell all your friends about it! ;-) Happy Building. Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 4:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> VW Question ... > Amazingly, I remembered to actually do what I promised, so the case serial > number info is at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/type4infob.gif . There > is even more detail at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/type4info.gif . > Obviously, anything with a stroke of either 2.60 or 2.80 inches is a Type 4, > with all the rest (2.72) being a Type 1 or Type 3. If you don't plan to > modify the thing in anyway, it's clear that you need to buy a 2 liter (the > bottom line) with the 71mm crank, but I personally think that anybody trying > to fly a stock VW engine in a KR is wearing some pretty rosy colored > glasses, unless it's an extremely light one. > > These are from a Chilt*n manual, and these two pages are the only reason I > didn't trash it long ago (somebody gave it to me 20 years ago). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 00:22:26 +0200 To: "Florin L Pintea" , "KR-Net" From: "dene collett" Subject: Re: KR> Main gear question Message-ID: <000701c0616a$85e244c0$61a6ef9b@dean> ----- Original Message ----- From: Florin L Pintea To: KR-Net Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 19:03 Subject: KR> Main gear question > Hi, > > I was contemplating for the past little while on an alternate method of > anchoring the main gear. As I said before, I will have "tri-gear". This > would take a good chunk out of my fuel tank space in the wing stubs (I've > already lost a bit of tank space since I have widened the fuse by a few > inches). I would also like to stay away (if it is at all possible) from > having a header fuel tank and the gained space to be used as "extra" baggage > compartment. So then, I was wondering if there would be anything wrong with > attaching the gear legs and brackets behind the main wing spar but instead > of having them out in the stubs what if I installed them inside the cockpit > as close as possible to the fuselage sides. I know now that the stance will > be somehow narrowed (maybe), but again, I will be using longer gear legs to > get extra ground clearance and I will also angle them outwards to gain extra > (wider) stance (which will probably bring the wheels themselves to the same > position as in the retract configuration)for more ground stability and > easier landings. > >From my point of view, by doing this I will gain a few good extra gallons of > fuel, make the stub wing surface a lot easier to build since the gear leg > isn't there when sanding, don't have to build an access door, very easy > access later on, since all the bolts would be under the seat and out of the > way, probably less stress on the centre spar since forces are applied closer > to its centre (stronger during hard landings), and some weight savings and > ease of build since brake lines would be shorter and don't have to go out of > the cockpit into the wing stubs. Can you guys think of any reason why this > wouldn't be a feasible thing to do and why? > I know you didn't have that problem since your gear was mounted on the front > of the spar, just some food for thought. What do you think? > Thanks, > > > FLORIN L. PINTEA > > KR-2S SKUNKWORKS @ CALGARY, ALBERTA, CANADA > > mailto: florinpi@home.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > Hi Florin We have a kr2 here in South Africa that has a gear system precisely as you have described. It is a taildragger so the gear is attached at front of the spar but still inside the fuselage. This system has worked perfectly for the last six years totalling nearly 300hrs. I flew right seat in it for about seven hours total. I built my own gear like this but decided later to change to a fully retractable tri gear system. I have a couple of pics of it if you are interested (not very good quality but you will get the see what it looks like. If interested contact me privately and I will send you a pic or two. Cheers Dene Collett South Africa mailto:denec@netactive.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 17:13:53 -0600 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Main gear question Message-ID: <001101c0616c$894d9860$561cf618@600athlon> > I was contemplating for the past little while on an alternate method of > anchoring the main gear. Florin, I believe Grove aircraft has what you need. See http://www.groveaircraft.com/kr2.html . But if you're not in a hurry, I suspect that TET may be offering something similar in the future. It's hard to beat the fixed spring bar method, since it attaches to the spar inside the fuselage by way of two L-brackets. Lots of room left over in the stub wing now... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 21:10:38 -0400 To: foxyrn@QuixNet.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Gaston Landry" Subject: Re: KR> Many Thanks!! Now What?? Message-ID: Hi, Mike... I'm not sure if, by motor gliger, you mean ultralight, but in case you did, I dug this up for you: http://www.usua.com/BFI_IA_Z_instructors.htm there are 6 Basic Flight Instructors listed, in Ill. (One happens to share part of your name, Michael J. Hamm.) Also, the rules and regulations governing ultralights are at http://www.usua.com/faa103.htm Hope this presents some options and opens some doors to you... Gaston >From: Micheal Fox >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Many Thanks!! Now What?? >Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 14:01:57 -0600 > > To All KT Net, > Many Thanks for your help and advice with my "Licensing Help" >problem. Next Question: How and where do I obtain Flight Instruction & >Licensing for a Motor Glider?? >No one at the local Greater Kankakee Airport 60 miles South of Chicago, >Ill. seems to know. The Motor Glider seems to be my best hope for obtaining >licensed flight without a class 3 medical. Could someone please help?? > Micheal J. Fox RN,BSN (Not The Actor) > foxyrn@quixnet.net OR foxyrn@usa.net OR KR Net >I can not seem to find help on the FAA website. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 04:57:42 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Many Thanks!! Now What?? Message-ID: <20001209125742.13030.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Michael, A local Community College Ground School course is an excellent way to start networking. You'll meet people who are flying ultra lights, soaring, and are working out medical problems with the FAA. Also, the course should provide you with a list of locally accessable medical examiners and the instructors are knowledgable about what's going on in aviation in your area. Plus, you aren't yet identified to any govt agency by attending, but you get the ground-training you need for your private ticket all wrapped up in one neat package. And all for around $300 including books. --- Gaston Landry wrote: > Hi, Mike... > Hope this presents some options and opens some doors > to you... > > Gaston To All KT Net, > > Many Thanks for your help and advice with > my "Licensing Help" > >problem. Next Question: How and where do I obtain > Flight Instruction & > >Licensing for a Motor Glider?? Micheal J. Fox RN,BSN (Not The > Actor) ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 18:29:48 -0700 To: From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: New Owner Message-ID: <011901c0617f$8507ddc0$2c45e4cf@C5477> ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C06144.D876AB20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I live in Calgary Alberta and just purchased a partially finished KR2. I = still figure there's 500 hours of work left on it. It's on the gear with = controls installed, tail is complete, wing tops are done and glassed and = has the original retract system. It also came with a 1600 vw fuel injection as it came out of the car = with no work on it. For now I'm just reviewing the plans and 10 years of newsletters to = figure out where I'm going to start. Look forward to what you have to = say. Brian ------=_NextPart_000_0116_01C06144.D876AB20-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 21:16:49 -0800 To: "Albert Pecoraro" , "kr2s group" From: "Bob Smith" Subject: Re: Warping in elevator ... Message-ID: <008e01c0619f$3ceaf7a0$ed941918@nycap.rr.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: Albert Pecoraro To: kr2s group Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re: Warping in elevator ... > Ross, > > Thanks. I thought about it for a few minutes before actually trying it out > because if the heat gun stays too long on one area you run the risk of > melting the foam underneath the glass - which is what I definitely did not > want to happen. > This is a good reason to use urethane foam and not polystyrene. Urethane has a much higher melting point. Also is not affected by gasoline. Bob Smith, Albany, NY ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:05:19 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Sport Aviation Index ... Message-ID: <001301c0618c$dddae5c0$72d4b23f@steelcase.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06162.F3C5F520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters, If anyone is interested in finding articles from Sport Aviation, EAA = Experimenter or Kitplanes, go to the following link:=20 http://cozy.canard.com/ref_info/ Yes, it's on the Cozy sight. While you're there, check out this page = too: http://cozy.canard.com/images/calvin_cozy.gif Albert ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C06162.F3C5F520-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 08 Dec 2000 19:22:51 -0800 To: Subject: Axles, Brakes, Tires & Wheels! Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20001208192251.006fde14@localaccess.com> Netters: It's Friday and I finally have everything in place to introduce my new axle, wheel, brake & tire package! I developed the new wheel for use on KR's and Corby Starlets: Special axles are available for each of these installations. The new 5" wheel includes Van-K wheel halves, a CNC machined, anodized aluminum hub fitted with 3/4" precision sealed bearings, and all stainless steel hardware. The 3/4" Cessna style bolt-on axles for use on fixed gear KR's are fabricated from 4130 and are heat treated to RC 32. My C-90 hydraulic disc brakes feature 9 square inches of riveted, semi-metallic friction pads and fit so deeply into the new wheels that I had to manufacture my own hydraulic fittings for this installation! TOTAL WIDTH of the entire axle-brake-wheel & tire assembly is 4.25", and the TOTAL WEIGHT of the axle-wheel-brake & tire assembly is 6 pounds 6 ounces per side with either a 410/350 X 5" four ply sawtooth tire or a 340/300 X 5" four ply slick. E-mail me off net for prices, etc. Tracy O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 05:54:11 -0800 (PST) To: KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: Volkswagen Resources Message-ID: <20001209135411.26396.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Excellent resources for Volkswagens: http://www.type2.com/bartnik/tech.htm Read ANYTHING by Robert (Bob) Hoover at:http://network54.com/Hide/Forum/40291 Yes, it IS a Teeny Two forum but VERY informative. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 19:16:03 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: MLWCRW@aol.com Subject: retract gear castings Message-ID: <2f.e13f40c.27642543@aol.com> Anyone out there have a set of retract gear casting I would be interested. My project has one casting apparently misdrilled as the tire is rubbing. Thanks Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 21:03:15 -0800 To: , From: "Charles 'Bud' & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> retract gear castings Message-ID: <005301c06266$a02465a0$1aff173f@cmidkiff> Charlie, I have an unused, undrilled set which I don't intend to use. You can contact me off net at the email address below. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA cmidkiff@gte.net http://www.geocities.com/randkr2/KR-2.html?953261104360 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, December 09, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: KR> retract gear castings > Anyone out there have a set of retract gear casting I would be interested. > My project has one casting apparently misdrilled as the tire is rubbing. > > Thanks > > > Charlie > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 11:15:09 EST To: rossy@teleport.com, GARYKR2@cs.com From: GARYKR2@cs.com CC: ron.martha@mindspring.com, mrbob4you@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Questions from a lurking newbie Message-ID: In a message dated 12/6/00 9:17:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, rossy@teleport.com writes: << Now, of course, you can buy a used set of plans, but legally you don't have permission to use the plans to build an airplane unless this right is given by the plans manufacturer. Of course, this is a way to protect the developer from plans from having someone run duplicate copies of the plans and selling them. If you try to buy parts from Rand Robinson without having a right to build a KR, you won't get any parts... however this dosen't prevent you from going to Wicks or Aircraft Spruce to work around the issue. I think the FAA DAR may wish to see your authorization to build the KR, but I don't think this is really enforced... -- Ross >> When you fill out the paper work for your KR, it is not normally listed as a KR2. It is shown with the builders name. Also if you change anything that is on the plans, it is now NOT a KR. What you have done is use the plans as a guide line. So you have not built a KR. You built a "Youngblood Special" or whatever you want to call it. There is no legal reason for the FAA or a DAR to reject your project. Every set of planes I have ever seen have the "only one airplane" clause. There isn't a log that follows the plans that says how many planes were built from them. What about the set of plans that changes hands several times with on airplane ever being started? The statement is there in order to sell more plans. People will sell you parts no mater where you got your plans 'cause the want to make money from you no matter what. They are not going to lose $5,000 in sales because you didn't spend $200 for plans from them. If they are that picky, they always go out of operation fast. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:30:26 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Aggie lewanda Subject: Re: failure notice Message-ID: <20001210183026.648.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com> --- MAILER-DAEMON@mailinglists.org wrote: > Hi. This is the qmail-send program at mailinglists.org. > I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. > This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. > > : > Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) > > --- Below this line is a copy of the message. > > Return-Path: > Received: (qmail 7027 invoked from network); 10 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0000 > Received: from web1404.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.168) > by server1.mailinglists.org with SMTP; 10 Dec 2000 18:28:13 -0000 > Received: (qmail 483 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Dec 2000 18:28:12 -0000 > Message-ID: <20001210182812.482.qmail@web1404.mail.yahoo.com> > Received: from [24.4.116.132] by web1404.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:28:12 PST > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 10:28:12 -0800 (PST) > From: Aggie lewanda > Subject: Re: KR> Questions from a lurking newbie > To: KR-net@mailinglists.org > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > --- GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > > In a message dated 12/6/00 9:17:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, > > rossy@teleport.com writes: > > > > << Now, of course, you can buy a used set of plans, but > > legally you don't have permission to use the plans to build > > an airplane unless this right is given by the plans manufacturer. > > Of course, this is a way to protect the developer from plans > > from having someone run duplicate copies of the plans and > > selling them. If you try to buy parts from Rand Robinson without > > having a right to build a KR, you won't get any parts... however > > this dosen't prevent you from going to Wicks or Aircraft Spruce > > to work around the issue. > > > > I bought an old set of plans for a KR-2 from a nice fellow off the > internet. They were about 1982 vintage and as anyone who has seen > KR plans already knows, the accompanying manual is pretty sketchy to > a fellow who has never built a real aircraft before. > > After deciding I really liked the design, I bought new plans with the "S" > addition from R.R. thus I am legal. I think the real issue is not > whether it is legal or possible to build from bootleg plans... but whether > it is wise to build an aircraft you plan to put your life into without > having every reasonable support system. > > I believe in being frugal and the economy of the KR design was one of its > attractions to me. However, it is possible to be "penny wise & pound foolish" > if you take money saving to the point it compromises safety. > > Merry Christmas All, > > Dean > > ===== > Dean Allen > P.O. Box 4173 > Greenville, SC 29608 > > (704) 348-1715 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ===== Dean Allen P.O. Box 4173 Greenville, SC 29608 (704) 348-1715 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 20:17:01 EST To: cschmidt@kaydon.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> PROP EXTENTION Message-ID: <73.94469a5.2765850d@cs.com> In a message dated 12/7/00 8:27:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, cschmidt@kaydon.com writes: << Has anyone out there bought them or checked to see if they would work for us? I sure would like to "sleek" the nose down on mine! CURTIS R SCHMIDT CNC TOOLING & PROGRAMMING >> My KR2 has been using an extension since '77 with no problem. If you would like, get a hold of me off net and I will send some photos your way. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************