From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 23 Dec 2000 18:40:05 -0000 Issue 142 Date: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:40 AM krnet Digest 23 Dec 2000 18:40:05 -0000 Issue 142 Topics (messages 3372 through 3383): new kid on the block 3372 by: Oscar Zuniga carburetors 3373 by: Gognij.aol.com wheel pants 3374 by: Marl Halbrook 3376 by: Donald Reid 3377 by: Frank Ross 3379 by: Patricia Burger 3381 by: Mark Langford Tailwheel Springs 3375 by: Albert Pecoraro 3380 by: WA7YXF.aol.com Carbs? 3378 by: William Tabbert Re: wing construction 3382 by: Christine Coolidge Re: V-witt 3383 by: James Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 14:33:55 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: new kid on the block Message-ID: Leonardo (adrena@brfree.com.br) wrote: >my plane is ready to fly and this is the cause of my >non sleeping nights. I'm very excited about it. >check this out http://www.geocities.com/leoadrena/krpage.html > Excellent work, Leonardo! Very nice lines on this airplane; it doesn't have the usual canopy "hump", but has the Gla*air look. Please post test flight results. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 21:59:18 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: carburetors Message-ID: Does anybody have any comments they can share about the model 1821 carburetor that Great Plains sells? I am purchasing a few things from Steve at this time and would like a little help deciding if I should purchase the Model 1821, or a Revflow from Revmaster to use with Steves intake system. As I read the text that Steve has about his carburetor. I got a sense that he would like the consumer to be a little educated when it comes to a carburetor for their airplane. I tried to access the archives myself. But I too cannot get any pages to open...................Jim Gogniat...................... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2000 22:26:08 -0500 To: KR list From: Marl Halbrook Subject: wheel pants Message-ID: <3A42C9CF.14012136@mindspring.com> Fellows I'm looking for a set of wheel pants for 5:00X5s or "Lamb" tires. Where did you get yours? Marl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:19:52 -0500 To: Marl Halbrook ,KR list From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20001222080930.0094fc80@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1010438==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:26 PM 12/21/2000 -0500, Marl Halbrook wrote: >I'm looking for a set of wheel pants for 5:00X5s or "Lamb" tires. Where >did you get yours? I did it the hard way and made them from scratch. It is not difficult if you want to do the entire thing yourself, but it does take time. I drafted up a profile that I liked, based on two different NACA airfoils. I made a fully symmetrical pant so that I could make one male plug, which in turn was used to make a female mold. The mold was used to turn out four halves that were joined together to make the two pants. The gear leg to pant fillet was made in place with foam and glass. It only took about twice as long to make them and them mount them as it would have taken to buy a ready-made pair and mount those. Two photos of the results are available at: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_pics.htm Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL construction at http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://users.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_1010438==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:52:34 -0800 (PST) To: KR list From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants Message-ID: <20001222155234.4177.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> Marl, Ken Boyer made a real nice set that I bought last summer. He has decided not to build a KR, but still may be making wheel pants for a reasonable price. Below is the last posting from him with his e-mail address. He is in Missouri, if that helps. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX Ken Boyer posting: The wife and I have decided that we need a bigger plane for cross country. I have the kr2s plans 75- 85 newsletters , 2 gathering tapes and bendix,hapi and revmaster floppy paper manuals.$225.00 I also have molds of the revmaster cowl for the kr2. $350.00 Thanks Ken B ou812@brick.net > I'm looking for a set of wheel pants for 5:00X5s or > "Lamb" tires. Where > did you > get yours? > > Marl __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:28:14 -0800 To: "Marl Halbrook" , "KR list" From: "Patricia Burger" Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants Message-ID: <000a01c06c3c$92435e20$853e19d0@default> Harbor Products in the L.A. area makes the ones RR sells. Ask for their P/N 134-GT. Their address is 2390 Crenshaw Blvd. Suite #164, Torrance, Ca. 90501-3300. Phone 310- 326-5609, Fax 310-560-7416. A/C Spruce also sells these same pants (they buy from Harbor) using the same P/N. Good luck from Spruce----it only took me 7 wks to get the order out of a total snafu with them -- finally cancelled and ordered straight from Ron at Harbor and it only took 3 days. Merry Xmas Bill ====== Pat & Bill Burger ====== Roseville, California pbburger@inreach.com -----Original Message----- From: Marl Halbrook To: KR list Date: Thursday, December 21, 2000 7:19 PM Subject: KR> wheel pants >Fellows > >I'm looking for a set of wheel pants for 5:00X5s or "Lamb" tires. Where >did you >get yours? > >Marl > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 14:36:41 -0600 To: "KR list" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> wheel pants Message-ID: <0e9901c06c56$e49178a0$561cf618@600athlon> > I'm looking for a set of wheel pants for 5:00X5s or "Lamb" tires. Where > did you get yours? Here's another alternative. Canard aero guru Klaus Savier is making some very aerodynamic lightweight wheel fairings that have Hoerner's drag reduction methods "written all over them". After seeing Troy Petteway's (at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/00090528.jpg , http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/00090535.jpg , and http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/00090547.jpg ) I had to buy some. They can be bought from http://www.pro.lightspeedengineering.com/Products/WheelFairings.htm , although the $395 price will probably give most KR builders an immediate stroke. You could buy FOUR Corvair engines for that! But as you can see here, they cover the entire wheel, brake, bracket, and all, so they are very aerodynamically correct for the KR. Troy told me he bought his without gelcoat for a considerable savings (which is how I bought mine for $230 three months ago), but you have to ask for the special price. Even without gelcoat, these things are only an hour away from being paintable. And best of all, they separate front to back for complete access to the brakes, allow a very tight fit around the tire, and are very easy to remove completely since the joint is at the gear leg. Troy's are held onto the axle with a grand total of two bolts, as I recall. Had I not already bought these, I'd have made something a lot like Don Ried's, whose are the finest I've seen anywhere, but I'm now in this mode of "get it done and fly it"... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 07:40:31 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Tailwheel Springs Message-ID: <000a01c06c14$91584200$7ed4b23f@steelcase.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C06BEA.7630C1C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netheads, Has anyone used compression springs on their tailwheels? If so, what is = the proper procedure to connect the rudder crank arm to the tailwheel = steering arm?=20 The kit I bought includes 2 compression springs, 2 chains, and 4 links. Thanks for your help. A blessed holiday season to all of you. Albert Pecoraro http://home.earthlink.net/~gryhponflier ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C06BEA.7630C1C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:34:20 EST To: gryphonflier@earthlink.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Tailwheel Springs Message-ID: <3d.525534a.2774ea9c@aol.com> Hello Albert.............I also ordered the same setup...I added a separate control horn at the bottom of the rudder just for the tail wheel. I also replaced the spring with a lighter one as the original was way to strong for the KR. I rigged it with a very slight amount of slack. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 16:45:29 -0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "William Tabbert" Subject: Carbs? Message-ID: Just asking, does anybody have a 0200 or a C-85 (C-90) carb they would be willing to part with for my corvair?? 340-692-7397 (STX) http://jillenium.members.easyspace.com Thanks, Bill Tabbert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 21:00:47 -0800 To: baleco@worldnet.att.net From: Christine Coolidge Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> wing construction Message-ID: <20001222.211147.-924397.0.USAUS@juno.com> I did mine with the brown stuff according to the plans. Recess the ribs then glue in the top or bottom skin and sand to shape. The first wing came out like rough and I had to add filler to smooth it out. the second came out much better. Peace scott ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 10:42:25 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: James Subject: Re: V-witt Message-ID: <3A448191.7E711D8C@postma.com> The following is copy of mail I sent to the VW list. Sorry guys to hear of such sad events and my symphathies to all concerned. I would like to repeat some comments I made earlier in more depth regarding construction. The classical construction methods and design of the cockpit area I think are very poor from a pilot survivability standpoint; wood, tube frame, and even aluminum included. Before I purchased my Q2 I checked on accident statistics with the EAA. They have statistics for each experimental airplane. I found that it had an accident rate that was about average and has some nasty ground handling characteristics with a high incidence of "runway departures" (more on this later); but the fatality rate is very low. On examination of the cockpit you can see why. The cockpit area is very strong, being a solid composite tube. The pilot sits low in a reclining position similar to gliders to get a low frontal area. This also gives good head and roll over protection. It looks similar to the evolution of racing cars. In the days of Fangio and the other Italian and British greats, they sat upright in the breeze. The Italians even would not use a seat belt, being fearful of burning in the wreck and wanting to be thrown clear. Ferrari used to like going to see his cars race, but stopped going because he was losing so many drivers in crashes, and did not want to see his friends die. So now the latest race cars have a total encapsulation of the driver in composite materials with the cockpit being the stongest element. The driver sits low with a 5 point harness. You may remember a horrific crash at Indianapolis where the only thing left of the car was the cockpit which caught on fire. Everyone thought the driver was gone. But he survived. Another example is unlimited hydorplane racing. They have a high incidence of blowovers whereby the front end comes up and it does a half loop, landing on the driver upside down. These are very spactacular and used to have a high fatality rate in the days of open cockpit, low tech materials, etc. Again, like the car racers, it looked very macho until the driver went flying through the air in a different direction than the boat. Machoism had a low lifetime. Now, these racers are using an F-16 cockpit with oxygen and egress hatches on the bottom, so rescuers can get them out after the blowovers. There have been NO, NONE, NADA serious injuries since they went to this system. Some think that a slow airplane will have safe landings. True the energy to be absorbed is proportional to the square of the speed. So an airplane that lands at 40 mph has 1/4 the energy to be absorbed that my Q2 does at 80 mph. But the above considerations can more than make up for the speed factor. You can be crushed at 10 mph in a poor design. Look again at the Indianapolis experience with surviable crashes at over 200 mph. Another example is a noted airshow performer in the Glassaire III. He was flying his Christen Eagle and landed off field in a level attitude without hitting anything, but did not survive. If he landed his Glassaire in the same field at much higher speed, I believe he would have walked away from it. Then there was the member of the Eagles airshow performers who flew with Tom Poberenzy. He got himself a WWII warbird. During a minor runway departure, it turned over and broke his neck. Here's one I'm close to. My friends Birch Parker was flying Frank Folmers Q200 when evidently a propeller blade departed. The instrument panel was shaking so badly that he could not read the instruments. He shut down the engine and made a landing on the freeway below him. His speed was more than the cars on the road, so in avoiding a car in front of him, he hit a pole at 70 mph shearing off the left canard at the fuselage which came to rest 200 feet off the freeway. He walked away from it and Frank is rebuilding the canard and it will fly again. Am I getting my point across guys and girls (maybe the wives will read this). If you want to live a long life, get out of your low tech tube and fabric, wood and aluminum airplanes and go modern. At least think about laying some composites in your cockpit and getting your nogin inside the structure and get those 4 and 5 point harnesses. Friends (and wives) don't let friends (and relatives) fly dangerous airplanes. James Postma Q2 N145EX P.S. The runway departure problem of the Q2 is being solved by builders and pilots through the exchange of information on these e-mail lists even though the Quickie Aircraft Company went out of business years ago. I probably would have given up without it, but now I am successful from reading all the good information you are pumping out on lists like this. The information age is truly revolutionary. Keep this good stuff coming ! Marty Hammersmith wrote: That's great Brandon. Jim Frank was a great guy who left small children and a distraught wife behind. The mildness of the crash and the extent of his injuries were disproportionate. It was even more shocking since we were there when it happened. I really expected Jim to hop out and at most we'd have to tow the plane back to the hangar. I hope you can benefit from his unfortunate death. I wish you safe flying and I hope if you decide to build the airplane that you can find a way to prevent or reduce the chance of the structure coming in at you. Brandon Walters wrote: > My thanks to those who replied to my inquiry on the V-Witt. > > When the plans came in I didn't have to look very long to find some > structure that could "come in on you." Also the built-in pilot > impaler/landing wire truss at station B just won't do. Shoulder room is > about 20inches. I'll try to adapt this to something safer. > > Pictures were included, showing the prop being driven off the flywheel end > of the 1600VW, by way of a long extension tube. No prints or measurements > were given for this. A single mag was sticking straight off the accessory > end. > > Happy Holidays to all, > Brandon Walters -- Marty Hammersmith http://www.geocities.com/mhammersmith ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************