From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Jan 2001 12:57:17 -0000 Issue 152 Date: Thursday, January 11, 2001 4:57 AM krnet Digest 11 Jan 2001 12:57:17 -0000 Issue 152 Topics (messages 3584 through 3613): Re: Panel Design Program 3584 by: Bruce Watkins 3591 by: John Esch KR/IFR - Too Heavy ... 3585 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 3592 by: jshays 3597 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 3599 by: jshays Langfordkosh (I didn't name it that!) 3586 by: Mark Langford current draw 3587 by: Linda Warner Was : KR/IFR - Too Heavy ... 3588 by: Albert Pecoraro Wiring the engine 3589 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) KR props 3590 by: Dave Re: Operating Handbook 3593 by: Ralph H Snyder 3598 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout I am a big pilot 3594 by: The Boyd Family 3595 by: David Taylor 3596 by: Brian Vasseur 3602 by: GREG S MARTIN Re: Electronic Ignition Currect and Charging 3600 by: Tom Crawford Re: VW Priming (Procedures/Installation) 3601 by: Tom Crawford 3604 by: Eduardo Iglesias 3605 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com RandRob 3 blade adjustable prop 3603 by: David W.S. King 3606 by: Phil Maynard 3612 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Naming my KR 3607 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) Vents 3608 by: Serge F. VIDAL 3613 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 3-view drawing 3609 by: Serge F. VIDAL NACA air intake scoops 3610 by: Ralph H Snyder Problem with KRnewsletter archive 3611 by: John and Janet Martindale Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 09 Jan 2001 20:38:14 -0600 From: Bruce Watkins CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Panel Design Program Message-ID: <3A5BCB16.ACE745C5@clas.net> Would it be possible for a Loehle P-5151 builder to peruse the Panel Planner program? If so please put me on the list of peruser's :-) Thanks, Bruce Watkins Cape Girardeau, MO mailto:flyer@clas.net http://users.clas.net/~flyer -- KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > > I had two copies of it and loved it. I passed one around on the > KRnet............just for perusal only:-). Someone out there has it, I bet > it's gone through 30 hands already. > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 06:15:23 -0800 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com From: John Esch CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Panel Design Program Message-ID: <3A5C6E7B.ACCE3991@earthlink.net> I need to get another copy of it. My system crashed and I lost it. John F. Esch KR-2S Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR KR2616TJ@aol.com wrote: > I had two copies of it and loved it. I passed one around on the > KRnet............just for perusal only:-). Someone out there has it, I bet > it's gone through 30 hands already. > > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host > Richmond, KY > mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com > http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:42:00 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: KR/IFR - Too Heavy ... Message-ID: In a message dated 01/09/2001 12:12:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, jshays@interaccess.com writes: << This argument comes up a lot in a lot of homebuilt lists, the real difference between a "legal" ifr, and a vfr only panel is about 10 lb.s, even including the pump, regulator, etc. I don't think 10 lb's is much of a penalty. Just had to make that comment. Regards, Jeff. >> OK, first of all, I would in no way encourage anyone to build their KR with IFR in mind. Build it and keep it VFR. I couldn't resist the challenge though:-). I spent some time this evening to calculate what it would take to make a KR panel and airframe legal and useful. I am assuming that a KR panel is equipped with an electric turn coordinator, VSI, altimeter, airspeed indicator, compass and required engine instruments. Also I am assuming a comm radio and for the heck of it a nav included, although I have never seen one in a KR in all my years around these airplanes. To install the required panel components, wiring harness, position lights, power supply for strobes, AH, DG, vacuum system, vacuum gauge, VOR/LOC/ILS indicator, OAT (to stay out of the ice) that is unless you want it to be known icing also, transponder, encoder, alternate static source and all wiring and plumbing. As any IFR pilot knows, if you don't have at least enroute certified GPS, DME or ADF, you are pretty much restricted to ILS approaches. Gotta have something to be able to identify the outer marker for LOC. Without DME or GPS most VOR approaches are out of the question. No ADF so NDB's are out..........and I shoot one today. So, we need a enroute/terminal certified GPS with annunciater panel and wiring. If we can't couple the GPS to the NAV head, we will also need a course deviation indicator (I'm not including this in the weight calculation). OK, here is the weight.....................19.55 lbs. and about 13-15 amps. Quite a bit more than 10 lbs. All this equipment does, is allow you to cross reference where your wreckage will be. Keep it VFR. If you want a homebuilt to be IFR, build something besides a KR, it's not the right airplane for you. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 01 09:42:38 -0600 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet From: jshays Subject: RE: KR> KR/IFR - Too Heavy ... Okay, to continue the never ending argument... I am nearly finished with my current project http://homepage.interaccess.com/~jshays/outback.htm and it does have a legal IFR panel. I have personally held all the parts in my hands and there may be slightly more than 10 lb.s, but not much. And I would still argue that the weight is not that much of a penalty for what you gain in security. Ok - I have never flown a KR, I am aware that they are sensitive. So perhaps flying one IFR is not a good idea. I am also instrument rated and do fly IFR. I have also always had the view that the real determining factor when flying IFR is currency, competency, and experience in the plane. For instance a low time instrument pilot is in over his/her head in a rock stable 172 in certain weather. And I am sure that Chuck Yeager could fly a Pitts in IMC, while eating a sandwich and on an approach to minimums, in icing. However... Anyway the argument about flying IFR in a KR could go on forever I suppose. The weight penalty argument comes up a lot in the Kitfox discussions as well. I think it is a stupid argument. Because to take it to the logical end, you have to start into things like: Your personal weight, how much do those boots you're wearing weigh, how heavy is your wife, etc. So to me a few pounds here and there in flight instruments isn't even an argument. It is really a matter of personal choice and cost. Ok, my two bits again. Regards, Jeff. >===== Original Message From KR2616TJ@aol.com ===== >In a message dated 01/09/2001 12:12:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, >jshays@interaccess.com writes: > ><< This argument comes up a lot in a lot of homebuilt lists, the real > difference between a "legal" ifr, and a vfr only panel is about 10 > lb.s, even including the pump, regulator, etc. I don't think 10 > lb's is much of a penalty. > > Just had to make that comment. > > Regards, Jeff. >> > >OK, first of all, I would in no way encourage anyone to build their KR with >IFR in mind. Build it and keep it VFR. > >I couldn't resist the challenge though:-). I spent some time this evening to >calculate what it would take to make a KR panel and airframe legal and useful. > >I am assuming that a KR panel is equipped with an electric turn coordinator, >VSI, altimeter, airspeed indicator, compass and required engine instruments. >Also I am assuming a comm radio and for the heck of it a nav included, >although I have never seen one in a KR in all my years around these >airplanes. To install the required panel components, wiring harness, >position lights, power supply for strobes, AH, DG, vacuum system, vacuum >gauge, VOR/LOC/ILS indicator, OAT (to stay out of the ice) that is unless you >want it to be known icing also, transponder, encoder, alternate static source >and all wiring and plumbing. As any IFR pilot knows, if you don't have at >least enroute certified GPS, DME or ADF, you are pretty much restricted to >ILS approaches. Gotta have something to be able to identify the outer marker >for LOC. Without DME or GPS most VOR approaches are out of the question. No >ADF so NDB's are out..........and I shoot one today. So, we need a >enroute/terminal certified GPS with annunciater panel and wiring. If we >can't couple the GPS to the NAV head, we will also need a course deviation >indicator (I'm not including this in the weight calculation). > >OK, here is the weight.....................19.55 lbs. and about 13-15 amps. > >Quite a bit more than 10 lbs. All this equipment does, is allow you to cross >reference where your wreckage will be. > >Keep it VFR. If you want a homebuilt to be IFR, build something besides a >KR, it's not the right airplane for you. > >Dana Overall >2000 KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:55:25 EST To: jshays@interaccess.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR/IFR - Too Heavy ... Message-ID: In a message dated 1/10/01 10:46:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, jshays@interaccess.com writes: << Okay, to continue the never ending argument... I am nearly finished with my current project http://homepage.interaccess.com/~jshays/outback.htm and it does have a legal IFR panel. >> Nice looking project. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 01 16:56:48 -0600 To: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet From: jshays Subject: RE: KR> KR/IFR - Too Heavy ... Dana - Thanks! Saw yours as well as a great many others after hitting www.krnet.org, and in fact it had a lot to do with my acquiring a set of KR-2S plans. Of course I also want to do a Cozy, a Falco, etc., etc... Take Care, Jeff. >===== Original Message From KR2616TJ@aol.com ===== >In a message dated 1/10/01 10:46:59 AM Eastern Standard Time, >jshays@interaccess.com writes: > ><< Okay, to continue the never ending argument... I am nearly finished > with my current project http://homepage.interaccess.com/~jshays/outback.htm > and it does have a legal IFR panel. >> > >Nice looking project. > > >Dana Overall >2000 KR Gathering host >Richmond, KY >mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com >http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ > >. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 22:19:05 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Langfordkosh (I didn't name it that!) Message-ID: <003701c07abc$798fa030$561cf618@600athlon> I guess it looks like Sunday the 21st would be the best day for this little get-together. How about if we start at 10AM and try to wrap up by late afternoon? I'll publish a map to my house later, unless I forget. If anybody's wife wants to come, the US Space and Rocket Center is 10 miles away, and the biggest tourist attraction in the state of Alabama. I highly recommend it. The best airport to fly into is M82, which is also 10 miles or 15 minutes away. It's BYOB, since we don't do that here on Sunday... Oh, and I did a project update at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmarkl.html#update . If you've ever thought that you don't know diddly about a Corvair and it would be hard to work on, this will change your mind. It's easier to rebuild than a VW! Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 23:41:29 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: current draw Message-ID: <24560-3A5BE7F9-3138@storefull-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Hi Ron. Just dug out some info on electronic ignition systems available for aircraft use. The first is Light Speed Eng. and the other is by Electroair. They both draw between .75 to 1.2 amps at normal RPM. What Bob Wetzel may have been referring to is the draw at the coil when they fire. Electroair's info states that the current is automatically adjusted to 8.5 amps when it fires. Of course they only pull that current for a millisecond so the average draw is much lower. I can't remember what Bob is using for his ignition or what he has for an alternator either. It could be that with him starting his engine and then just taxiing around at low power his battery just doesn't get charged back up. Both of the above systems are very good as they reset to T.D.C. for starting, advance to normal timing after about 500 RPM and advance out to approx 43 degrees at higher altitude and lower power settings. As far as everyone should be on the KR net, I agree. Bob would like to be also and talked with me several weeks ago to see how our system worked. Hope he gets on the "net" soon. Also hope he gets his plane in the air soon too!!! John Sickafoose Naples Fl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 00:06:12 -0500 To: From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Was : KR/IFR - Too Heavy ... Message-ID: <000d01c07ac3$0eab69a0$64d4b23f@steelcase.com> KR/IFR-heads, I've been sitting back the past few days reading the discussions about IFR in the KR, and Dana's comment gave me the opportunity that I was waiting for - > OK, first of all, I would in no way encourage anyone to build their KR with IFR in mind. Build it and keep it VFR. ... I would also like to add " ... and keep it light" (How many times have we heard this?! ;-) > ... the real difference between a "legal" ifr, and a vfr only panel is about 10 lbs, even including the pump, regulator, etc. I don't think 10 lb's is much of a penalty. For a realistic perspective on the design of the KR-2 and what to keep in mind when building one, I would urge KR builders/dreamers to visit Adrian Carter's website and read the following 5 page document (Critical Analysis of the KR2) http://www.cuug.ab.ca:8001/~cartera/krspecs.html I noticed that the article refers to an empty weight of 420 lbs and 800 lbs gross weight for a KR2 (as published in Feb/76 ad in Sport Aviation). My construction manual indicates 480/900 for the KR2, and RR's website indicates 520/980 for the KR-2S (actually, it indicates 980 gross, 460 useful load = 520 empty). The goal is to come as close as possible to the published empty weight. According to the article, even if you allow for 10% extra, that still means you should be able to build a 530 lbs KR2 or a 570 lbs KR-2S and still be able to operate it at or below the gross weight. This is easier for the smaller and lighter guys like me (5'4", 160lbs). If I can build the KR-2S @ 570 lbs empty, with me in the plane @ 160 and 16 gallons fuel (max) @ approximately 100 lbs, the gross weight is 830 lbs - I still have 150 lbs available without exceeding gross weight. If I can build it according to the published empty weight, then I gain an extra 50 lbs in useful load, which means that I can now carry up to a 200 lbs passenger (or more fuel/baggage). I guess I'll just have to wait and see how things turn out. In the meantime, I have made it a habit to establish a "goal" weight for each component I build, and to try my best to not exceed it by 10%. Happy building and/or dreaming, Albert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:10:56 +0200 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: Wiring the engine Message-ID: Hello netters I am relatively clueless when it comes to installing magnetos or electronic ignition system. I am all right with the conventional setup with a distributor. My question is this: Does anyone out there have a schematic for the installation of both aforementioned installations? If so could you send it to me at the above e-mail address. Thanks in advance. Danny Livingstone South Africa e-mail: livd0124@natref.com [All views expressed are my own and not necessarily that of my employer.] ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. All opinions expressed are the sender's own and not necessarily that of the employer. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:50:03 +1300 To: From: "Dave" Subject: KR props Message-ID: <004101c07ae2$64a052c0$0c9260cb@e2u4f6> ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C07B4F.49CA4740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Down here in New Zealand my KR-2 special ZK- CSR has a 2100D Revmaster = and a Clark Performance Propellor 52 * 48 which gives me 170mph max = straight and level. Cruise is 140mph. Click on my home page below for a = quick look. Cheers......Dave Email fly@paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~fly ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C07B4F.49CA4740-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 10:01:04 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: Re: KR> Operating Handbook Message-ID: <20010110.102614.-3933761.0.ralphndori@juno.com> Al It sounds like the sender resistance does not match the gauge, or you have a faulty sender. Probably a faulty sender since it is going halfway up when you don't have any oil pressure. Ralph Snyder On Mon, 8 Jan 2001 12:46:26 -0800 "Al Friesen" writes: > KR Netters > I have just applied for a final inspection on my KR-2S with > Revmaster 2100D engine. I would like to know if anyone has set up an > Operations handbook for this type. I have to make one up before the > inspection? Did some more taxi tests, only snag is the oil temp gage > which reads halfway up the gage when I turn the master on, then goes > off scale when warm even though the temp of the oil is ok. The gage > has a + & - lead and one for the sending unit lead. Any help will be > appreciated. Al > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:02:18 -0500 To: ralphndori@juno.com From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Operating Handbook Message-ID: <20010110.170219.-96885.0.klw1953@juno.com> Hi Ralph, I'm done with my S and writing the operations manual as we speak. I asked the same question a couple of weeks ago and got a very good response. I also contacted the EAA and got an excellent outline guide as well. Between all the info I got, It's not as hard as I thought. I'm also working with an FAA DAR who has been quite helpful. Good luck-----------------------------Kenny (N6399U) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:06:55 -0500 To: From: "The Boyd Family" Subject: I am a big pilot Message-ID: <000c01c07b38$85720100$cad8140a@peoplepc.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C07B0E.969CF040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is Daniel Boyd, Jr. and I am interested in building a KR-1. My concern is that I am 6' 4" tall and weight 275 lbs. Will I fit into = this airplane? theboydfamily@peoplepc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C07B0E.969CF040-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:09:44 -0500 To: From: "David Taylor" Subject: Re: KR> I am a big pilot Message-ID: <00e101c07b38$e473e740$35d41718@cx787520a> Daniel, I'm sure you will get a few answers on this one but in my opinion unless you build it yourself I would have to say that is a big no. I am 6 feet even and weigh 210 and I sat in a stock KR2 and it was an extremely tight fit. Too tight to fly. There is a builder that is building one and he's a pretty big guy. Take a look at http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Boyd Family" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 2:06 PM Subject: KR> I am a big pilot My name is Daniel Boyd, Jr. and I am interested in building a KR-1. My concern is that I am 6' 4" tall and weight 275 lbs. Will I fit into this airplane? theboydfamily@peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:49:38 -0700 To: "The Boyd Family" , From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: Re: KR> I am a big pilot Message-ID: <003d01c07b3e$82ac69a0$15367e40@ucu.com> Have you thought about building a KR2 or KR2S as a single seater? If my KR didn't already have the controls installed when I bought it that's what I would have done. ----- Original Message ----- From: "The Boyd Family" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 12:06 PM Subject: KR> I am a big pilot My name is Daniel Boyd, Jr. and I am interested in building a KR-1. My concern is that I am 6' 4" tall and weight 275 lbs. Will I fit into this airplane? theboydfamily@peoplepc.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 16:53:13 -0800 To: theboydfamily@peoplepc.com From: GREG S MARTIN Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> I am a big pilot Message-ID: <20010110.165314.-94177.1.idrawtobuild@juno.com> On Wed, 10 Jan 2001 14:06:55 -0500 "The Boyd Family" writes: > My name is Daniel Boyd, Jr. and I am interested in building a KR-1. > My concern is that I am 6' 4" tall and weight 275 lbs. Will I fit > into this airplane? > > > theboydfamily@peoplepc.com > Daniel I'm 5'-10", 252 lbs. and I think that the little rascal could use a little extra room. I'd use a 2S and narrow it down. Just not a problem. If I were to do it again - that's what I'd do. Greg Martin Bakersfield, California idrawtobuild@juno.com work 661-861-0570, fax 861-0517 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:54:17 -0500 To: ron.martha@mindspring.com From: Tom Crawford CC: KRNET , Greg Warr Subject: Re: KR> Electronic Ignition Currect and Charging Message-ID: <3A5CF629.4F47@ufl.edu> RONALD.FREIBERGER wrote: > > One of our builders ( not on the net), Bob Wetzel has his aircraft signed > off and is doing lots of taxi testing and preflight work. His electronic > ignition uses about 6 amps, and he can't keep the battery charged at low > engine speeds. Last I heard, Bob was using the Compufire and a mag- same as me. With the Compufire on, and the Great Plains alternator, I show a negative drain on the battery until the engine revs to about 1500 RPM. I start and taxi on the mag, then flip on the Compufire as I taxi onto the active. Never had any battery problems- unless you count spilling acid by yankin and bankin. Which brings up another good thread. Odessey dry cell batteries. Maybe another time. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 18:58:03 -0500 To: Ross Youngblood From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> VW Priming (Procedures/Installation) Message-ID: <3A5CF70B.7E9B@ufl.edu> Ross Youngblood wrote: > > I thought I would query the Ellison/VW flyers out there for information > on > priming. > > My primer with the Ellison is just as you describe. I give it 3 shots of primer and it starts right up and runs on 2 cylinders for a second or two, then smoothes out and runs fine. My nipples dont atomize either. Boy, that sounded strange didn't it? Enough about my nipples. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 12:15:37 -0300 To: "KR-net" From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: RE: KR> VW Priming (Procedures/Installation) Message-ID: <007f01c07b74$4545d0c0$c61c33c8@EduardoIglesias> Dear netters If you receive a mail with reference to Snow Withe, don't open it!!! They have a virus w95.hybris. Eduardo ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:09:42 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> VW Priming (Procedures/Installation) Message-ID: <25.fc4eeda.278e7df6@aol.com> In a message dated 01/10/2001 6:58:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, toys@ufl.edu writes: << Boy, that sounded strange didn't it? Enough about my nipples. >> Enough about Melody Mountains, the KR queen. From a Langfordkosh of years past................just another reason to attend. Hate to miss her wouldn't you..... Inside joke:-) Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:34:04 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "David W.S. King" Subject: RandRob 3 blade adjustable prop Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20010110172125.00a91620@24.2.10.84> Hi Just wondering if anyone knows about the 3 blade adjustable prop. I've been given one and the fellow says it was a RR ground adjustable prop. I've done a quick search but can't find anything on it. I'd like to confirm who made it and what problems there were if any. Here is a brief description and hopefully someone will recognize the features. It does have a vw bolt pattern. The center hub is in two parts and these are a cast or molded high density black plastic (phenolic?) The blade has a round or cylindrical base that fits snugly into the hub. There is a small steel band clamp with allen screws for tightening. One of the hub bolts passes through the butt of the blade. The bolts are about 3/8's dia and the hole though the butt is about 3/4's. The blades have very little twist and are tapered to a rounded tip. They are solid wood blades with no leading edge insert. The assembled diameter for the prop is 48"s. If anyone has info about this please let me know. I'm curious to find out what problems they had with it. I'd really like to know how well it held up in service ie did the plastic hub crack or have probs, id the blades hold settings etc. Cheers Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:31:16 -0500 To: , "David W.S. King" From: "Phil Maynard" Subject: Re: KR> RandRob 3 blade adjustable prop Message-ID: <000101c07b80$30f27400$1c01a8c0@amd500> I had that prop and 2 Great American Wood Props and the Maloof 2 position. In flight the Maloof was the smoothest - very nice. The 3 blade was my first prop and the roughest in flight but I didn't realize it untill I got the others. I didn't have the 3 blade long as I did a wheels up landing with it very early on. The best thing about it was that in a wheels up landing it ground along on 2 blades and the retracted wheels and there was very little damage.. I was flying again in a week. Phil Maynard Ridley Park, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W.S. King" To: Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2001 8:34 PM Subject: KR> RandRob 3 blade adjustable prop > Hi > > Just wondering if anyone knows about the 3 blade adjustable prop. > I've been given one and the fellow says it was a RR ground adjustable > prop. I've done a quick search but can't find anything on it. I'd like > to confirm who made it and what problems there were if any. > > Here is a brief description and hopefully someone will recognize > the features. > > It does have a vw bolt pattern. The center hub is in two parts and > these are a cast or molded high density black plastic (phenolic?) > The blade has a round or cylindrical base that fits snugly into > the hub. There is a small steel band clamp with allen screws for > tightening. One of the hub bolts passes through the butt of the > blade. The bolts are about 3/8's dia and the hole though > the butt is about 3/4's. > The blades have very little twist and are tapered to a rounded tip. > They are solid wood blades with no leading edge insert. The assembled > diameter for the prop is 48"s. > > If anyone has info about this please let me know. I'm curious to find out > what problems they had with it. I'd really like to know how well it held up > in service ie did the plastic hub crack or have probs, id the blades hold > settings etc. > > Cheers > > Dave > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:53:42 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> RandRob 3 blade adjustable prop Message-ID: In a message dated 01/10/2001 8:35:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, KingDWS@Home.Com writes: << ust wondering if anyone knows about the 3 blade adjustable prop. I've been given one and the fellow says it was a RR ground adjustable prop. It does have a vw bolt pattern. The center hub is in two parts and these are a cast or molded high density black plastic (phenolic? >> If I not mistaken, Steve at Great Plains recommends nothing but wood props for his VW conversions. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:14:04 +0200 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: Naming my KR Message-ID: Hello Netters I was thinking of giving my KR a name e.g. Air Queen, Speed Princess......etc After last nights 4,5 hour sanding spree on the first layer of primer I have finally come up with a name ....Sanding Bitch! But seriously I thought my KR would only require a little sanding as I have done extensive sanding and filling before hand, after the first layer of primer that goes on it amazing how all the little bumps and small pinholes appear. I stick to my theory that when the KR is build your only 50% complete. The other 50% is the sanding and finishing part! I am currently working on a web site for my KR, I will probably have it up and running next week. Cheers Danny Livingstone South Africa e-mail: livd0124@natref.com ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. All opinions expressed are the sender's own and not necessarily that of the employer. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:37:53 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Vents Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C07BA9.C9E39A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, netters, and happy new year to all. I did not receive any reply to my E-mail about fitting NACA airscoops on the fuselage sides. Could anybody confirm it is safe to cut a hole there? Serge VIDAL Johannesburg, South Africa svidal@icon,co.za ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C07BA9.C9E39A80-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 07:56:36 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Vents Message-ID: In a message dated 01/11/2001 1:38:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, svidal@icon.co.za writes: << did not receive any reply to my E-mail about fitting NACA airscoops on the fuselage sides. Could anybody confirm it is safe to cut a hole there? >> Yep, most people do put them there. I found only one area to fit mine, which is in front of the main spar. I believe most people have had better luck placing them in front of the "bend" in the fush. so as to place the scoop forward of the low pressure area. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Hangar/7085/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 08:37:59 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: 3-view drawing Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C07BA9.CD7EC2A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, netters Could anybody send me a 3-view drawing of the KR2 (standard one), with dimensions, by E-mail? Thanks. Serge VIDAL Johannesburg, South Africa svidal@icon.co.za ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C07BA9.CD7EC2A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:26:39 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: NACA air intake scoops Message-ID: <20010110.232639.-3776569.0.ralphndori@juno.com> Serge VIDAL I cannot guarantee the safety factor, but I installed mine just ahead of and below the instrument panel as per Tony Bingelis in Sportplane Construction Techniques, page 201. If you don't have it, I can send you a copy of the article, which includes information on how to make them. Ralph ralphndori@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2001 21:39:22 +1100 To: "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Problem with KRnewsletter archive Message-ID: <000801c07bba$c3e3e5c0$0193fcd8@JohnMartindale> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07C16.F604AC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks I am continuing to have problems downloading the newsletter archives = from Fortune City. Currently I am getting a Error 404 message and = previously have had trouble getting pdf files. All was OK back in = Geocity days. Are you there Mark Loughheed? Any one else suffering. John Martindale Australia ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C07C16.F604AC40-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************