From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 30 Jan 2001 02:09:30 -0000 Issue 163 Date: Monday, January 29, 2001 6:09 PM krnet Digest 30 Jan 2001 02:09:30 -0000 Issue 163 Topics (messages 3870 through 3899): Re: Ribber Sworn Rides Again !! 3870 by: Frank Ross 3881 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 3883 by: Frank Ross 3886 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Re: Mark vs Phil 3871 by: Mark Langford 3875 by: cartera 3876 by: Ron Eason 3884 by: Patricia Burger 3897 by: WA7YXF.aol.com Palm GPS 3872 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com 3873 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com KRs Over Texas 3874 by: Laheze.aol.com Re: RG 142B/U? 3877 by: Jeff Hays Weekend Up Date 3878 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 3885 by: Laheze.aol.com Power Requirements 3879 by: Doug Peyton 3895 by: Mark Langford Re: RG 142B/U? If it was me, and my antenna did not have an amplifier in it's base, I would go with the better RG142B/U. 3880 by: Forrest Erickson Moratorium on AS40xx vs RAF 48 Discussion 3882 by: HAshraf.aol.com Re: Kr News letter 277 3887 by: Albert Pecoraro Flight Planning Web Sites 3888 by: EagleGator.aol.com Test-delete 3889 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Engine weights on KR1-B 3890 by: Robert Re: Retraction and apology 3891 by: JC Marais 3894 by: Mark Langford Engine Cowling Attachments 3892 by: Jim Morehead 3893 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 3896 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Re: GPS, etc. 3898 by: Frank Ross Thank you all 3899 by: Dave and Tina Goodman Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 11:59:26 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Ribber Sworn Rides Again !! Message-ID: <20010128195927.18477.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Ribber Sworn, Wasn't he an old Soap Opera star? ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:52:06 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Ribber Sworn Rides Again !! Message-ID: Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, said; Ribber Sworn, Wasn't he an old Soap Opera star? Frank, please don't pick on Dana. Also, someone's gonna be on our ass for needless frippary Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:55:29 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: RE: KR> Ribber Sworn Rides Again !! Message-ID: <20010129045529.1996.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> --- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" wrote: Frank, please don't pick on Dana. Also, someone's > gonna be on our ass for > needless frippary > Ron Freiberger... Hey, Dana was the one who said "Lighten up". I hoped he meant not to take things too seriously, but he could have meant "make your plane lighter" or (in my case, at least) stop eating so much junk food. I had to check because I thought you made up "frippary". I found "frippery" and I don't think it was needless at all. But you're right, I fully expect someone to be on my ass pretty soon. I know the Superbowl and Outcasts are over and people who have been breathing sawdust and epoxy all night are getting back to their computers, so I'm pulling my flame-proof Depends over my head and diving into my napalm-filled water bed as we speak. I just hope Ribber Sworn doesn't hear about this. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 07:41:31 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Ribber Sworn Rides Again !! Message-ID: <11.f15b81c.27a6befb@aol.com> --part1_11.f15b81c.27a6befb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/01 11:55:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, kae_ar@yahoo.com writes: > Hey, Dana was the one who said "Lighten up". I hoped > he meant not to take things too seriously, but he > could have meant "make your plane lighter" > > No offense taken. > > BTW, that palm GPS now costs something like $39.95 or something > rediculously cheap. > Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --part1_11.f15b81c.27a6befb_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 14:08:45 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Mark vs Phil Message-ID: <00b501c08966$1ed5c710$561cf618@600athlon> My buddy Phil wrote: >>I find it odd that Mark who is tireless in promoting the new wing or adding new materiel to his web site is suddenly overworked when it comes to backing up the claims of the new airfoil with data. >> You're wrong there. I got tired of promoting the new airfoil (again) about a week ago! You have missed my point entirely. I don't feel the need to prove the airfoil any more than it has already been proven. And even if I DID all of your homework for you and spent the time to come up with the stack of plots that you request, the next thing coming would be "well that's all just on paper, how about some real world comparisons using real airplanes". I believe that's where we were when I gave up the last time around... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 17:26:33 -0700 To: Mark Langford From: cartera CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Mark vs Phil Message-ID: <3A74B8B9.BE083F6E@cuug.ab.ca> Hello Mark and Crew, No sense in beating a dead horse, accept it or reject it. Why should you have to prove anything with a bunch of charts and specs, it's all available somewhere. Because I saw it when it was being tested. Not going to make very much difference when you actually scooting through the air. Obviously this brain seems to be in reverse gear. I built my KR2 without any help from the KR net and it fly's like a dream, and how about Wild Bills, 1500 hours of pure enjoyment and thrills. Mark, you have done admirable job in dispensing pertinent data via your website and none of us really want to hear this horse shit on this website. Now is that politically correct? Flame Away - where the hell is that delete key. Ohh! right little pinkie will do it. Happy Building and Flying, Guys! 7 - 0 in the Superbowl Mark Langford wrote: > > My buddy Phil wrote: > > >>I find it odd that Mark who is tireless in promoting the new wing or > adding new materiel to his web site is suddenly overworked when it comes to > backing up the claims of the new airfoil with data. > >> > > You're wrong there. I got tired of promoting the new airfoil (again) about > a week ago! You have missed my point entirely. I don't feel the need to > prove the airfoil any more than it has already been proven. And even if I > DID all of your homework for you and spent the time to come up with the > stack of plots that you request, the next thing coming would be "well that's > all just on paper, how about some real world comparisons using real > airplanes". I believe that's where we were when I gave up the last time > around... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 19:51:41 -0600 To: , , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Mark vs Phil Message-ID: <000601c08996$084ae680$6d7239ce@dana-coe> Their are many many choices available if you want to research them. KRRon -----Original Message----- From: KR2616TJ@aol.com To: pmaynard@bellatlantic.net ; krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Sunday, January 28, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Re: KR> Mark vs Phil >In a message dated 1/28/01 2:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, >pmaynard@bellatlantic.net writes: > > >> If the data support the new wing, there must be a small army of volunteers >> that could help the cause and would love to rub my face in the data, SO >> LETS SEE IT!!! > >Enough is enough, nobody is saying you wing is bad, there is simply another >choice available. The data is there, go rub your own face in it. To heck >with rubber swords, enough is enough. Go fly your &*)^(*&^& airplane, just >be sure and look between your legs for the destination where I would like to >see it go. > >Dana Overall > > > >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:42:10 -0800 To: "cartera" , "Mark Langford" From: "Patricia Burger" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Mark vs Phil Message-ID: <001d01c089b6$3b52a8e0$613e19d0@default> I can't agree more with Cartera's words -- Keep up the good work Mark (don't let the Basxxxxs grind you down). I'm not building a KR (just a little Corby Starlet) but I've gotten some very useful info from the KR net. To bad about all the flaming. Best of luck and tailwinds only Bill ====== Pat & Bill Burger ====== Roseville, California pbburger@inreach.com -----Original Message----- From: cartera To: Mark Langford Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Sunday, January 28, 2001 4:27 PM Subject: Re: KR> Mark vs Phil >Hello Mark and Crew, >No sense in beating a dead horse, accept it or reject it. Why should >you have to prove anything with a bunch of charts and specs, it's all >available somewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:49:20 EST To: KR2616TJ@aol.com, pmaynard@bellatlantic.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Mark vs Phil Message-ID: <47.6bcc0cd.27a76990@aol.com> In a message dated 1/28/01 11:23:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > Go fly your &*)^(*&^& airplane, just > be sure and look between your legs for the destination where I would like to see it go. Dana Overall I think Dana needs a vacation............... Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:20:42 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Palm GPS Message-ID: <73.a7a5243.27a5d91a@aol.com> --part1_73.a7a5243.27a5d91a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This isn't KR but try this website out. My partner BETA tested the software during it's design. It is called Flight Buddy and uses your Palm (no not that palm) as it's processor. It is free to download. It actually works. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --part1_73.a7a5243.27a5d91a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:33:29 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Palm GPS Message-ID: --part1_d8.196592e.27a5dc19_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 1/28/01 3:21:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, KR2616TJ@aol.com writes: > This isn't KR but try this website out. My partner BETA tested the software > during it's design. It is called Flight Buddy and uses your Palm (no not > that palm) as it's processor. It is free to download. > > It actually works. I guess you need the address:-) http://www.aspenleaf.com/palm/ The believe the beta version is 1.51z14 > Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --part1_d8.196592e.27a5dc19_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 15:36:00 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: KRs Over Texas Message-ID: This is for all Texas KR1 or 2 builders, wing wackers or just interested in a Texas KR2 get together this spring or early summer. Email me privately if you are interested in attending or trying to attend. If you are from another state you may attend also we will welcome all. The get together will be for fun, flying, learning, and more fun plus just getting to know others who are as crazy as ourselves. You will have to admit that everyone you know thinks you are crazy for building your own airplane especially non flyers! Larry Howell laheze@aol.com KR2 rebuilder, almost flyer Rockwall, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 20:27:11 -0600 To: , From: "Jeff Hays" Subject: RE: KR> RG 142B/U? Message-ID: <002901c0899a$fec3fd40$1589d0cf@lasalle.na.abnamro.com> My GNC-250XL from Garmin called for RG-58U and it seems fine. Jeff Hays. -----Original Message----- From: EagleGator@aol.com [mailto:EagleGator@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 11:51 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> RG 142B/U? Hi Gang, I'm working on wiring my panel and my GPS manual says to use RG 142B/U or RG 400/U coax to attach the antenna. How much trouble will I get into if I use RG 58U? Is it too lossy for the GPS receiver? Seeing as how electrical engineering was the only class I got to take twice in college, all I'm looking for is an "it'll work" or "don't do that!" kind of answer, I doubt I'd understand much of anything else... ;o} Cheers, Rick Junkin, St. Charles MO EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 21:31:38 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Weekend Up Date Message-ID: <2d.6b13877.27a6300a@cs.com> Since the NET is getting a bit wacky this weekend, I thought I would ramble about some stuff. I had a problem with my engine spitting oil out the front after I majored it. Talked to Steve at G.P. and he cooked up a seal that worked. This is for a shrink fit hub. I need to take the final photos and send them to him. After Steve has seen them, I will give you folks the details. What is the chance of KR folks getting together at the Virginia State EAA Fly In? I will be flying there again this year. Don Reid met me last year as I taxied in. Had a good time. We had a big enough group around my plane that I took the cowl off, and the crowd got bigger. I ended up missing the airshow we had so many questions flying around. Flew to Fredrick, MD today for lunch. Not bad scooting along at 140mph on 4gpm. Cockpit stayed nice and warm with using the oil cooler for a heat source. When I got home I buzzed the field at 180mph and 5ft (AGL), pulled the nose up, climbed to 1500ft then landed. LIFE'S RUFF !!!!!!!!!!! As soon as the temp gets warmer, I am going to add 2ft to the span of the horz stab. I want to see if this will help with some of the pitch. That's about it for now. I thought this might shift the string of posts a bit. At the rate things are going, I'm going to put a Clark Y airfoil on the KR Twin just to piss some of you off. If I could I would moon all of you and then laugh 'till I peed myself. But then that's me, thinking outside the box. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 02:27:00 EST To: GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Weekend Up Date Message-ID: Gary, Before you did that highspeed flyby and pull up did you consider which airfoil would have worked the best? Sure would have been funny to see your pull down (moon) while you were doing your pull up! Larry Howell laheze@aol.com \ [}---]-> / ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 03:41:30 +0100 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Doug Peyton" Subject: Power Requirements Message-ID: What size battery to use if there is no starter? I have power requirements for one electronic ignition, a Delcom transceiver, a Faucet fuel pump, and a strobe light. Is bigger always better? _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:46:38 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Power Requirements Message-ID: <001f01c08a56$1b8fbfc0$561cf618@600athlon> Doug Peyton wrote: > What size battery to use if there is no starter? You need to add up the current draw of all components. I'm guessing maybe 6 amps for the ignition, 3 for the transceiver, 1 for the fuel pump, and 4 for the strobes, but these are purely shots in the dark. Divide the number of Ah (ampere hours) that your battery has, and that's how many hours you can fly with everything turned on before you fall out of the sky. I personally think that this is risky business, when an alternator and brackets would cost only 6 or 7 pounds (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/dynamo.html ). On the other hand, you keep fuel in the tank, so I guess it's not much of a stretch to keep juice in the battery. This sure would limit your range though, and cross country flights would be out of the question. I have a 16 Ah battery, and my Kettering (points) ignition will use maybe 4 amps/hour, so I'm good for 4 hours without anything else on, theoretically... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:21:36 -0500 To: EagleGator@aol.com From: Forrest Erickson CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> RG 142B/U? If it was me, and my antenna did not have an amplifier in it's base, I would go with the better RG142B/U. Message-ID: <3A74E1C0.8C45F755@ntown.net> --------------0F32961D6D65E0F241144F17 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ED937EDA69B8321A3A610A69" --------------ED937EDA69B8321A3A610A69 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick search and I found that you can purchase RG 142B at http://www.rfparts.com/coax.html&_wsgeturl3a74dca61303ebb0_01 (I have never dealt with them so let the buyer be ware.) I estimate the loss at GPS frequencies of RG58U to be about 2.5 dB per 10 ft. (Using the tables in my amateur radio antenna hand book.) So if you use 12 fT you have 3 dB loss. 3 dB loss is one half of the GPS signal. If you use RG142B/U you have 1.3 dB per 10 ft. So you can go to 23 ft with the RG142B/U cable to get to the same loss. BUT, if your antenna has a preamplifier built into it the loss will probably not affect your performance. (I found the loss specification for RG142B here at http://www.calrf.com/rgflexcable.htm.) If it was me, and my antenna did not have an amplifier in it's base, I would go with the better RG142B/U. I hope this helps, Forrest Erickson EagleGator@aol.com wrote: > Hi Gang, > > I'm working on wiring my panel and my GPS manual says to use RG 142B/U or RG > 400/U coax to attach the antenna. How much trouble will I get into if I use > RG 58U? Is it too lossy for the GPS receiver? Seeing as how electrical > engineering was the only class I got to take twice in college, all I'm > looking for is an "it'll work" or "don't do that!" kind of answer, I doubt > I'd understand much of anything else... ;o} > > Cheers, > Rick Junkin, St. Charles MO > EagleGator@aol.com --------------ED937EDA69B8321A3A610A69 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick search and I found that you can purchase RG 142B at http://www.rfparts.com/coax.html&_wsgeturl3a74dca61303ebb0_01
(I have never dealt with them so let the buyer be ware.)

I estimate the loss at GPS frequencies of RG58U to be about 2.5 dB per 10 ft.  (Using the tables in my amateur radio antenna hand book.)
So if you use 12 fT you have 3 dB loss.  3 dB loss is one half of the GPS signal.
If you use RG142B/U you have 1.3 dB per 10 ft.  So you can go to 23 ft  with the RG142B/U cable to get to the same loss.
BUT, if your antenna has a preamplifier built into it the loss will probably not affect your performance.  (I found the loss specification for RG142B here at http://www.calrf.com/rgflexcable.htm.)

If it was me, and my antenna did not have an amplifier in it's base, I would go with the better RG142B/U.

I hope this helps,
Forrest Erickson

EagleGator@aol.com wrote:

Hi Gang,

I'm working on wiring my panel and my GPS manual says to use RG 142B/U or RG
400/U coax to attach the antenna. How much trouble will I get into if I use
RG 58U? Is it too lossy for the GPS receiver? Seeing as how electrical
engineering was the only class I got to take twice in college, all I'm
looking for is an "it'll work" or "don't do that!" kind of answer, I doubt
I'd understand much of anything else...  ;o}

Cheers,
Rick Junkin, St. Charles MO
EagleGator@aol.com

--------------ED937EDA69B8321A3A610A69-- --------------0F32961D6D65E0F241144F17-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 23:15:36 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: HAshraf@aol.com Subject: Moratorium on AS40xx vs RAF 48 Discussion Message-ID: <91.627996a.27a64868@aol.com> Gentlemen: I propose that this discussion about merits of different wings should better be taken offline. Lets not talk about this issue for say for few weeks. Thanks much Haris Ashraf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:12:43 -0500 (EST) To: "Robert Stone" From: Albert Pecoraro CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Kr News letter 277 Message-ID: <384593752.980784763644.JavaMail.root@web672-wrb> Bob, Oops, sorry about that. I forgot the last instruction: Scroll down the page and you will see a link written in Italian: Clicca per vedere alcune fotografie di KR Italiani (forza fratelli!) That is the link to the Italian KR's for which I have received photographs. Here is the direct link: http://home.earthlink.net/~gryphonflier/kr_italiani.htm Pic#1 - Alessandro Pecorara Pic#2 - Franco Bucci (the 1st Italian KR) Pic#3 - The 2nd Italian KR I wrote the text in Italian because I correspond with the Italian builders/owners in Italian. Ifyou would like me to translate the text to English, I can do so upon request. :-) My site uses frames - that is why I include navigation instructions instead of a direct link to the page. Hmm ... perhaps you have a point here. What I really should do is create hyperlinks instead of just text. I'll try to incorporate your suggestion the next time I update my site (which probably won't be anytime soon so don't hold your breath! ;-) Thanks for the feedback. Enjoy Alessandro's KR-2S! Albert Pecoraro (aka Alessandro Pecorara's north american counterpart! ;-) ------Original Message------ From: "Robert Stone" To: Albert Pecoraro Sent: January 27, 2001 1:22:17 PM GMT Subject: Re: KR> Kr News letter 277 Albert: I was looking at your web site and wanted to see the KR2S being built by your name sake in Italy. I got to the right section but when I tried to put the mouse pointer on his name all I got was a I beam or arrow. So my question is, how do I get to see his aircraft? Bob Stone rlspjs@dashlink.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 11:55:16 EST To: From: EagleGator@aol.com Subject: Flight Planning Web Sites Message-ID: Fellow Netters, I ran across these two web sites that are one-stop sources for all of your flight planning needs. Take a look, they have some awesome capabilities. http://www.baseops.net/ http://www.monkeyplan.com Cheers, Rick Junkin EagleGator@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 12:25:25 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Test-delete Message-ID: <8a.1a8d9fd.27a70185@aol.com> --part1_8a.1a8d9fd.27a70185_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Test, test. Trying a new computer --part1_8a.1a8d9fd.27a70185_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2001 22:58:51 -0500 To: From: "Robert" Subject: Engine weights on KR1-B Message-ID: <001801c089a7$cbcfa260$b723bb98@robert> KRNetters, I will be building a KR1-B. It may be that my plane may be the only KR1-B built besides the prototype, I don't know. Anyway, my question is how much weight can I hang up front and still have a good flying plane? The RR company and everything I have read anywhere only talks of VW engine CC size but, not engine weights. It would be good to hang a Corvair engine on her because it's cheap horsepower but, I would be putting around 225 pounds or more up front. I would also be putting a 100 horsepower engine on an airplane that's rated for an 80 horsepower engine and I'm not sure how good that would be. I plan to extend the length of my KR1-B by at least a foot and increase the horizontal stabalizer square footage to fall within normal airplane design specs, to try and give her more stability. That being the case I will have more weight towards the rear so, I can put more weight up front to balance her out. But, is everything worked out on gross weights and whatever I end up as a final weight going to determine how much fuel I can carry aboard? I have tried to find my answers in the archives and if I overlooked them then I'm sorry about wasteing your time. I will also be building a set of KR1 wings and switch them out with the KR1-B wings every now and then. I've read that it's not all that great to be switching wings because of the access to the WAF. But, if I build an access hatch affair then I don't think that this will be much of a problem. What if your opinion on switching wings? Thank You, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 22:03:28 +0200 To: "Dave and Tina Goodman" , "KR-POST" From: "JC Marais" Subject: Re: KR> Retraction and apology Message-ID: <014e01c08a31$071ac780$83b6ef9b@jc> "So also the tongue is a small part of the body, yet it boasts of great things. Behold how great a forest is set aflame by such a small fire." - James 1:5 Dave and Tina, What silly message about leaving is this? I can't think that anybody in his right mind understood that you meant that in the next Kitplanes a glorified KR2 , also known as ML-1, would be advertised. If anybody flamed you, shame on them. Shame for thinking that the ML-1 reference was a "pre-release" piece of salestalk, as if you would get a cut of all ML-1's sold. Shame on anyone that understood that Mark would do this. He stated his position many times over. He is a builder, inventor, experimenter and great help. Just to put some "KR"-stuff in this message. I need an fuel injector for my EA81Turbo Subaru to get the yellow heap of wood & glass certified as a plane. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks to all helping to make this a great forum. JC Marais South Africa. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:34:09 -0600 To: "KR-POST" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Retraction and apology Message-ID: <001701c08a54$5d833620$561cf618@600athlon> JC Marais wrote: > What silly message about leaving is this? >I can't think that anybody in his right mind ... This is mostly my fault. You can imagine from his reaction what my message regarding those comments was like. With friends like me, you don't NEED any enemies... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 13:04:19 -0800 To: "Kr-net" From: "Jim Morehead" Subject: Engine Cowling Attachments KR Net, On page 106 of the KR book, It showes the locations of the twelve 1 x1 x 2" camlock brackets to attach the cowl. Are these just held on with flox? Or should they be bolted to the firewall, if so would drill through the firewall and 5/8" spruce and use nut plates? Thanks, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA kr2jm@d_web.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:15:29 EST To: kr2jm@d-web.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Engine Cowling Attachments Message-ID: <57.10e5b399.27a761a1@aol.com> Jim I riveted mine to the fire wall metal....... The fire wall, stainless or galvanized is fastened to the plywood bulkhead by the fittings and hardware rarely needing additional fasteners Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 19:44:20 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Engine Cowling Attachments Message-ID: <64.ac3b593.27a76864@aol.com> --part1_64.ac3b593.27a76864_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, I did the same thing Lynn in riveting to the firewall but I went one step further. I cut and bent a piece of aluminum to radius the top corners of the firewall and ran this the entire width of the firewall. I then riveted floating nuts to the bottom of this aluminum. What this allowed me to do was lay up the forward deck over the aluminum and "squish" the cowl top into the resin. Made for a nice clean line between the two and a water proof installation. I've seen too many KR's where the sun eventually made two butted up surfaces, not match up just right. I used piano hinges on the sides and bottom of the lower cowl. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --part1_64.ac3b593.27a76864_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 16:51:06 -0800 (PST) To: KR2616TJ@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> GPS, etc. Message-ID: <20010130005106.9167.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> > > No offense taken. And none intended. There's nothing more admirable than a man who can laugh at himself. > > BTW, that palm GPS now costs something like $39.95 > or something rediculously cheap. > Dana Overall > 2000 KR Gathering host That entire system looks real good. I may have to "requisition" the Palm I got my wife for Christmas. The prices above are only for the GPS software. The Palm unit will cost between $250 - $400 and the GPS adapter is around $150, which is still really cheap for fantastic moving map with complete GPS capability and a lot more. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2001 18:08:52 -0800 To: "KR-POST" From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Thank you all Message-ID: <001901c08a61$9974bfc0$9e44a6d1@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C08A1E.8916D200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Fellow builders, I want to thank the many of you who wrote to me on and off KR-Net and = told me I should stay. I feel very humbled that anyone out there = thought I had something to say that was worth listening to. I learned a few very valuable lessons through the last few days. First, = I am not as wise or smart in reality as I sometimes think I am. Second, = I do not know how to unsubscribe from KR-Net... which goes right back to = not being as smart as I think I am... Having said that, I HAVE learned that my comments need to be positive, = my questions well thought out, and my attitude right. Mark wrote the following snippet... >>This is mostly my fault. You can imagine from his reaction what my = message regarding those comments was like. With friends like me, you = don't NEED any enemies... ...but I must respectfully disagree with him. He did write me off-line, = but he was EXACTLY on target with his comments to me. He wrote to me = privately and explained very articulately what the problem was and I = want to thank him again for his manner of dealing with me. Thank you = Mark, you are a class act. I learned a lot more this past week from = you than just how to work on my plane. I do not want to take up anymore bandwidth with this issue, but wanted = to thank all of you for the support. Now, does anyone know if the KR = cowlings will fit on the front of a -2S using a Great Plains Rear Drive = system? Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C08A1E.8916D200-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************