From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Feb 2001 16:32:18 -0000 Issue 172 Date: Saturday, February 17, 2001 8:32 AM krnet Digest 17 Feb 2001 16:32:18 -0000 Issue 172 Topics (messages 4059 through 4083): Re: Carb 4059 by: David R. Christensen 4065 by: David R. Christensen Re: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation 4060 by: Eduardo Iglesias 4061 by: Patrick Driscoll 4063 by: Frank Ross 4064 by: Leonardo 4067 by: Robert Stone Laser Level 4062 by: Patrick Driscoll Seat belt attachments on a KR2 4066 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 4070 by: Donald Reid 4079 by: Brian Vasseur 4081 by: pjvisc.netzero.net 4082 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 4083 by: BillStarrs KR2 For Sale 4068 by: Steven Buckley 4074 by: BJBDMB.aol.com LEO'S KR FLYING 4069 by: Leonardo 4072 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com Re: for sale] 4071 by: user FAA 4073 by: KR2616TJ.aol.com COGRATULATIONS 4075 by: Dave leos, kickin kr2 4076 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com Banana boat!! 4077 by: paul e spicer Banana boat! 4078 by: Hafsteinn Jonasson Back in the fold 4080 by: Rex T. Ellington Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:23:35 -0800 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: Re: KR> Carb Message-ID: <00f501c09774$07985c40$c7785ad1@davec> Al, Did you do the full power runnup specified by Revmaster and check that you are getting a peak in the EGT in going from full rich to full lean? If you cannot detect a peak before the engine begins to run rough from too lean a mixture, the main metering needle will have to be turned out counterclockwise to richen the engine at full power. But with your lean needle make sure you don't turn it out more than about 4 1/2 turns or you will start to run out of threads and lose the nylok engagement in the adjustment screw. You should get Revmaster info. sheet B-10 and read it carefully before flying your aircraft. I'm sure they would be happy to send it to you. If your CHT is going to 480 on taxi runs you might have a baffling problem. I used the setup from the Q2 design recommended by Revmaster and never had a problem with CHT. There are some special baffles that attach to the cylinder heads that direct the cooling flow through the fins. They can probably provide you with this information also if you give them a call. Good luck. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Al Friesen To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Tuesday, February 13, 2001 5:41 PM Subject: KR> Carb To all, Have any of you had any trouble with the Revmaster carb? I have done 8 taxiis and # 3 gets to 480 at tail down runs. I put in a leaner needle as I didn't like the rich to lean pull length (3/8") after a pull on the mix control of about 1 1/4". Now I get a longer pull from rich to lean. I look forward to any ideas on this carb. Al --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:47:58 -0800 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: Fw: KR> Carb Message-ID: <002101c0982f$d64f9b00$90785ad1@davec> -----Original Message----- From: virgnvs@juno.com To: davec@favorites.com Date: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: Re: KR> Carb > Do not forget the tin deflectors at the bottom >between the cylinders, Virg Yes these are important. The baffles designed for the Revmaster on the Q2 include these plus ones between the cylinders on the top side and ones that attach around the cylinder heads front and back. The ones around the cylinder heads I attached with red silicone sealant which has worked fine for 10 years. Revmaster supplied me with templates to make these. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:20:41 -0300 To: "KR-net" From: "Eduardo Iglesias" Subject: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation Message-ID: <00d601c097c7$72560520$aa1c33c8@satellite> ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C097AE.4B777EC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Netters does somebody open this mail? somebody know´s about it´s origin. It is´nt a vurus? Thanks Eduardo -----Mensaje original----- De: Flymaca711689@cs.com Para: krnet@mailinglists.org Fecha: Miércoles, 14 de Febrero de 2001 08:27 p.m. Asunto: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation > > > ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C097AE.4B777EC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Sport Pilot Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-xd03.mx.aol.com (rly-xd03.mail.aol.com [172.20.105.168]) by air-xd02.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:47:00 -0500 Received: from mail.olg.com (olg.com [205.177.168.3]) by rly-xd03.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.21) with ESMTP; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:46:56 -0500 Received: from djwatson (unverified [207.226.217.79]) by mail.olg.com (Rockliffe SMTPRA 3.4.5) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:34:45 -0500 Message-ID: <005b01c09628$43385f40$4fd9e2cf@djwatson> From: "Dennis Watson" To: Subject: Sport Pilot Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2001 20:48:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Hey Billy, Do you think your E-Mail address is long enough? I'm surprised you didn't put the name of your favorite beer in there also. Here is something for you to read. On Feb. 9th and 10th at the Airsports Expo in Indianapolis, Arty and I had the privilege to be part of a private briefing by the FAA to the USUA staff on the current state of the Sport pilot program. It must be noted that because of Ex Parte laws they could not address specific details, i.e. what is the min. number of training hours to receive the Sport pilot rating etc. and other like questions, but did speak very openly about the general direction the project was heading. On several points those present voiced objection to what we were told, and their response was that the community needed to express those objections in writing during the comment period. AIRMAN CERTIFICATION Mr. Mike Henry of FAA made the presentation on Airman certification issues. The FAA expects that in the first two years of Sport pilot there will be 1,000 new Sport pilot instructors, 15,000 new Sport pilots, and from 15,000 to 20,000 new vehicles to be N-numbered. He stated that while the Dept. of Transportation had not approved the Sport pilot program, the most important aspect of it, the D.L. medical, had been discussed with them and it appears at this time that the DOT does not have objection to using it as the medical standard for Sport pilot. From the time that Sport pilot becomes rule, registered ultralight pilots would have a 24 month window of opportunity during which the FAA will accept their documented hours of instruction as meeting the required training hours of the sport pilot certificate. However their solo hours of experience as a ultralight pilot prior to becoming a Sport pilot will not be carried over or count toward a higher ratting. In addition to meeting the time requirements, the applicant will have to take a aeronautical knowledge test administered by a approved FAA testing center, and pass a flight test administered by a FAA Designated Pilot Examiner (DPE). The Sport pilot rating will allow the holder to fly fixed wing, glider, lighter-than-air, powered parawing, and weight shift vehicles. Rotorcraft will be excluded from being operated under the Sport pilot certificate. The stated reason was because of the higher number of moving parts and complexity. A pilot must be 16 years old to solo and hold a student Sport pilot rating. A pilot must be 17 years old to hold the Sport pilot rating and 18 years old to hold a Sport pilot instructor rating. Mr. Henry offered that it may require 200 hours of flight experience to qualify for the SPI rating. Registered ultralight instructors would have a 36 month window of opportunity to have their hours of instruction and hours of logged flight experience count toward the SPI rating. SPI's may be designated by the FAA to administer the SP written and flight test. The FAA has asked all three Ultralight training exemption holders to submit ideas on how to endorse individuals as Designated Pilot Examiners (DPE), Designated Airworthyness Representatives (DAR), and mechanics with a Inspection Authority (SP-IA). The FAA will issue only two Sport pilot ratings, Sport pilot-Land and Sport pilot -Sea. All other privileges will be by instructors log book endorsement. Sport pilots will be limited to flying Light-Sport Aircraft (see below) by daylight VFR only. They may fly into class B, C, and D airspace with training and a instructors logbook endorsement. AIRCRAFT CERTIFICATION The aircraft certification portion of the briefings were presented by Mike Kiesov and Scott Sedgewick of the Kansas City, MO. Aircraft certification and maintenance Division. Aircraft flown by Sport pilots are to be known as "Light-Sport Aircraft." Light-Sport Aircraft will be defined as being two occupants or less, up to 1232# max. take-off weight, have a 39 kt stall speed, a 115 kt Vne speed, single engine, fixed gear, daylight VFR only, etc. The target aircraft groups are those that exceed the weight or occupant limits of part 103, new aircraft sold as ready to fly for personal flight, as well as training and rental use, aircraft assembled from kits that do not meet the 51 % Amateur-built rule, and aircraft ineligible for Primary category certification.. EXISTING ONE OR TWO PLACE VEHICLES THAT EXCEED PART 103 LIMITS All existing aircraft which exceeds part 103 will be eligible to be N-numbered and receive an airworthyness certificate as a "Experimental Light-Sport Aircraft." There will be a 24 month window of opportunity to make application to the FAA to have your aircraft receive an airworthyness certificate as an Exp. light-sport aircraft. If you make application on the last day of the window you may operate your aircraft as an Exp. light-sport aircraft until such time as the FAA processes your application and a DAR inspects your plane. The DAR will assign a designated number of hours and area that you must fly the plane solo till the restrictions are lifted. On existing planes, the DAR may waive this requirement if evidence exist that the plane has been safely flown for a number of hours prior to the new rule. Operating restrictions will be similar to part 103. EXISTING TRAINERS Two place aircraft that are registered with one of the training exemption holders, and used for training will be allowed a 36 month window of opportunity to make application to the FAA to become Exp. light-sport aircraft. Two place aircraft registered with one of the exemption holders up to 36 months AFTER Sport pilot becomes rule will be allowed to be used for training for hire for the life of that airplane. AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURED AFTER SPORT PILOT BECOMES RULE All new aircraft that fit this category manufactured after the Sport pilotbecomes rule will be issued a Special Airworthyness Certificate. All kit built aircraft will receive a "Kit-built Light-Sport Aircraft" airworthyness certificate and a factory built plane will receive a "Special Light-Sport Aircraft" airworthyness certificate. To qualify for these certificates the aircraft must meet "industry standards" for aircraft design (airworthyness), Manufacture (quality assurance), and production. These "industry standards will be developed by the industry without direct FAA oversight. The FAA will not approve these standards. Each kit and completed aircraft that leaves the factory will have a manufacturer's "statement of compliance" to those standards with it. To sell a Light-Sport kit, the manufacturer must hold a Special airworthyness certificate issued from the FAA for that make and model aircraft. In other words he must have a flying prototype before he can sell kits. The manufacturer must provide with each aircraft/kit a "statement of compliance" that it meets the industry standard. All aircraft sold as completed must be in a condition for safe flight. The manufacturer must provide with each aircraft/kit a pilot operating handbook, manufacturer's maintenance schedule, and manufacturer's "statement of compliance." For aircraft sold completed, the manufacturer is responsible for the continued airworthyness support (must provide newsletters / AD type notices on problems). ALL aircraft sold as completed aircraft must undergo an inspection every 100 hours by a qualified A&P mechanic. A manufacturer may sell kit aircraft with up to 99% of the work completed. The purchaser would then do the remaining 1% of the work (bolt the wings on?) and apply for a "Kit-Built Light Sport Aircraft" airworthyness certificate. The manufacturer would then not be the certificate holder and the "builder" would hold a repairman's certificate and would be responsible to maintain the aircraft per the manufacturers instructions (parts replacement schedule, etc.) and perform the annual condition report. FAA expects ASC/EAA/USUA to develop training programs that would allow a person to purchase a used flying airplane, attend a repairmans class, then receive a repairman's certificate for that airplane. TRAINERS AND RENTAL PLANES ALL trainers not grandfather in within the 36 months window of opportunity, and ALL rental aircraft would be required to be 100% factory built. They would require an inspection every 100 hours performed by a qual ified A&P mechanic. NPRM The U.S. Ultralight Association has committed to putting the text of the NPRM on their website (www.usua.com) as soon as it is published. Mr. Henry stated that the FAA now expects the NPRM to be published sometime in April with a 60 day comment period. They must consider and reply to each written comment submitted. He stated that they hoped to do that within a 6 month time frame so that the rule could be final by the end of this year. Have a Nice Day!!! Dennis http://www.aero-sports.com/bb/ ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C097AE.4B777EC0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------=_NextPart_000_00D1_01C097AE.4B777EC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:21:52 -0600 To: "KR-net" , "Eduardo Iglesias" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: RE: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation Message-ID: <412001251642152800@earthlink.net> Eduardo, I opened the attachment and found it to be very informative about the new sport cert. > [Original Message] > From: Eduardo Iglesias > To: KR-net > Date: 2/15/01 9:14:52 PM > Subject: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation > > Netters > > does somebody open this mail? somebody know´s about it´s origin. > It is´nt a vurus? > Thanks > Eduardo > -----Mensaje original----- > De: Flymaca711689@cs.com > Para: krnet@mailinglists.org > Fecha: Miércoles, 14 de Febrero de 2001 08:27 p.m. > Asunto: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation > > > > > > > > > --- Patrick Driscoll --- patrick36@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:19:44 -0800 (PST) To: KR-net From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation Message-ID: <20010216051944.16163.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Eduardo Iglesias wrote: > Netters > > does somebody open this mail? somebody know´s about > it´s origin. > It is´nt a vurus? > Thanks > Eduardo Eduardo, Delete it. I dont think it has a virus in it because it arrived at my computer already opened, and I have had no problems so far. However, it is a long description of the new "Sport Pilot" license in the USA. Since you're not in the USA, you don't need to take a chance on opening it. I don't open attachments unless I know the sender very well and I advise you to do the same. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:07:36 -0300 To: "Frank Ross" , "KR-net" From: "Leonardo" Subject: Re: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation Message-ID: <001101c0982a$32d45b00$a292fea9@estacao1> WHO WANT'S TO SEE A FLYING KR2S????? http://geocities.com/leoadrena/krpage.html LEO ,BRAZIL, KR2S. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:48:57 -0600 To: "Leonardo" , "Frank Ross" , "KR-net" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation Message-ID: <000901c0982f$fa66cd60$0101a8c0@pavilion> Leonardo: All 600 of us want to see it. WHERE THE HELL IS IT?????????????????? I was looking for an attachment. Bob Stone Harker Heights. Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: "Leonardo" To: "Frank Ross" ; "KR-net" Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 9:07 AM Subject: Re: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation > WHO WANT'S TO SEE A FLYING KR2S????? > > http://geocities.com/leoadrena/krpage.html > > LEO ,BRAZIL, KR2S. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:31:29 -0600 To: "KR-POST" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Laser Level Message-ID: <412001251643129630@earthlink.net> I guess I should have told you about Hartland America. It is a mail order outfit located in Chaska MN. They have a web site at www.hartlandamerica.com but they are having trouble with it right now but they told me they were working on it and would have it up in a couple of days. Of course right now when I want to check the catalog I can't find it but if you want to call them, call 1-800-555-1212 and ask for their 800 number. They take phone orders. --- Patrick Driscoll --- patrick36@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 09:55:16 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-ID: The only way I know of to attach seat belts on a KR2 is by cables to the tailwheel. Does anyone know of any other ways that are safe? Daniel R. Heath DHeath@SCANA.com 803-217-9984 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:22:25 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010216120653.009f3c80@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1799828==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:55 AM 2/16/2001 -0500, HEATH, DANIEL R wrote: >The only way I know of to attach seat belts on a KR2 is by cables to the >tailwheel. Does anyone know of any other ways that are safe? I believe that mounting either the seat belts or shoulder harness to the tail post is a mistake. In the event of an off-airport landing, there is a risk of a wingtip catching on some type of obstruction which can cause the airplane like a top. If the tail hits something and breaks the fuselage, you will probably die. One of the paper version KR Newsletters from the mid 90's described this type of accident. This accident involved an engine failure with a landing attempt on a residential street. A wingtip hit a car and spun the airplane. The tail hit something and broke the fuselage off behind the cockpit. The two pieces came to rest some distance apart. The occupant(s) was not hurt since the seat belts were attached to the rear spar and the shoulder harness attached to the horizontal shear web behind the seat top. Image what would have happened if the attachment point was at the tail post. The best place to mount the belts is to the rear spar and the fuselage shear web behind the seat top. Drill your mounting holes through the center of the spar cap. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va KR2XL construction at http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Ultralights at http://users.erols.com/donreid/usua250.html --=====================_1799828==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:19:11 -0700 To: "HEATH, DANIEL R" , From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-ID: <004c01c09888$04a880e0$2c45e4cf@C5477> On my minimax I put the seatbelts at a tail fitting as recommended in the plans. What you want is the shoulder harness to be tied back horizontally to get the maximum effect. I plan to do the same for my KR. If you decide to use a different location it needs to be fairly strong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" To: Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 7:55 AM Subject: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 > The only way I know of to attach seat belts on a KR2 is by cables to the > tailwheel. Does anyone know of any other ways that are safe? > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@SCANA.com > 803-217-9984 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:57:25 -0500 To: "HEATH, DANIEL R" From: pjvisc@netzero.net CC: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-ID: <3A8E04B5.7ADDBD1C@netzero.net> When you land your KR on top of another plane that is taking off, you may cut yourself in half or behead your self or some other means of self mutilation. I thought the tail wheel was a good idea until I received a KR Newsletter with story about accident where pilot and wife were hurt badly because of belts to tailwheel arrangement. Newsletter was in mid-80s. Of course, we always see everything when landing , so this type of accident will not happen to us. Will it ??? Phil Visconti "HEATH, DANIEL R" wrote: > The only way I know of to attach seat belts on a KR2 is by cables to the > tailwheel. Does anyone know of any other ways that are safe? > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@SCANA.com > 803-217-9984 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:02:09 -0500 To: pjvisc@netzero.net From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: DHEATH@scana.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-ID: <20010217.100210.-251235.0.klw1953@juno.com> I attached my shoulder harnesses to cables running to eye bolts that I drilled directly through the forward horiz stab spar and bulk head assy. I also reinforced this area above what the plans call for. As far as attaching to the shear web behind the seat, that area would also need a major tune up to give the pilot some level of safety. Either way it's a personal thing.----------------------------Kenny On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:57:25 -0500 pjvisc@netzero.net writes: > When you land your KR on top of another plane that is taking off, you > may > cut yourself in half or behead your self or some other means of self > mutilation. I thought the tail wheel was a good idea until I > received a KR > Newsletter with story about accident where pilot and wife were hurt > badly > because of belts to tailwheel arrangement. Newsletter was in > mid-80s. Of > course, we always see everything when landing , so this type of > accident > will not happen to us. > Will it ??? > > Phil Visconti > "HEATH, DANIEL R" wrote: > > > The only way I know of to attach seat belts on a KR2 is by cables > to the > > tailwheel. Does anyone know of any other ways that are safe? > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > DHeath@SCANA.com > > 803-217-9984 > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > Shop online without a credit card > http://www.rocketcash.com > RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 09:30:53 -0700 To: , "Kenneth L Wiltrout" From: "BillStarrs" Cc: , Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 Message-ID: <002601c098ff$040fca40$e00b2aa2@starrs> The tail wheel is about the safest place to make the attachment AND it must come over the shoulder in a straight line NOT up and over, otherwise you will suffer compression fractures of the spine. It happened to me 22 years ago. I have 6 compressed vertebrae as a result. I survived the crash but am about 1 inch shorter with lots of Arthritic pain. Happy ( and smooth ) landings, Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" To: Cc: ; Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 8:02 AM Subject: Re: KR> Seat belt attachments on a KR2 > I attached my shoulder harnesses to cables running to eye bolts that I > drilled directly through the forward horiz stab spar and bulk head assy. > I also reinforced this area above what the plans call for. As far as > attaching to the shear web behind the seat, that area would also need a > major tune up to give the pilot some level of safety. Either way it's a > personal thing.----------------------------Kenny > > On Fri, 16 Feb 2001 23:57:25 -0500 pjvisc@netzero.net writes: > > When you land your KR on top of another plane that is taking off, you > > may > > cut yourself in half or behead your self or some other means of self > > mutilation. I thought the tail wheel was a good idea until I > > received a KR > > Newsletter with story about accident where pilot and wife were hurt > > badly > > because of belts to tailwheel arrangement. Newsletter was in > > mid-80s. Of > > course, we always see everything when landing , so this type of > > accident > > will not happen to us. > > Will it ??? > > > > Phil Visconti > > "HEATH, DANIEL R" wrote: > > > > > The only way I know of to attach seat belts on a KR2 is by cables > > to the > > > tailwheel. Does anyone know of any other ways that are safe? > > > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > DHeath@SCANA.com > > > 803-217-9984 > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > Shop online without a credit card > > http://www.rocketcash.com > > RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 8:55:54 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Steven Buckley" Subject: KR2 For Sale Message-ID: <4120012516165554480@earthlink.net> ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hey Guys I've sat and watched with interest all the varieties of KR s and all the different ( and exotic) ways of making improvements but some of us just need a venue to get out of the whole situation. N3780B is a plans-built KR2 built by Richard Kuhn in 1980? I tried to finish a tri-gear conversion started in 1993. Only problem is that I react every time I work on the fiberglas. So, I'm giving up . The whole project is for sale including two 1835 HAPI motors. One has 400 hours with 2 plug heads---the other has 26 hours. There is a trailer free with the EVERYTHING I've accumulated regarding said plane. The aircraft is in Fremont, California (SF Bay Area). Phone 510-656-3329 . At this point I'd just be happy for a deserving wannabe to have a quick project to finish up. Thanks --- Steven Buckley --- buck00@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------=_NextPart_84815C5ABAF209EF376268C8-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 16:32:40 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: BJBDMB@aol.com Subject: KR2 for sale Message-ID: Hello, Due to the death of my husband I am forced to sell his KR2. He never even had a chance to fly it. Here is the information on it: - U.S. Registration #: N 992LC - Mfr & Model: Rand-Robinson - aircraft serial #: LEB102649 I can e-mail you with pictures and even a small video of the aircraft. I am located in Terre Haute, IN Or call me: Bobbi Bell 812-242-9555 Thank you ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 15:19:10 -0300 To: "Robert Stone" , "Frank Ross" , "KR-net" From: "Leonardo" Subject: LEO'S KR FLYING Message-ID: <005101c09844$fea68d60$a292fea9@estacao1> DEAR KR FRIENDS CHECK MY SITE TO SEE MY KR2S IN THE SKY. THAT'S ME ON THE CONTROL. CLICK YOUR MOUSE HERE----------------->>>>>>>>http://geocities.com/leoadrena/krpage.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:54:20 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> LEO'S KR FLYING Message-ID: <76.7d5ad21.27bec34c@aol.com> --part1_76.7d5ad21.27bec34c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Great looking airplane!!!! Is the smile off your face yet:-) Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --part1_76.7d5ad21.27bec34c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:44:35 -0600 To: krnet From: user Subject: [Fwd: for sale] Message-ID: <3A8D6702.1EB50C1C@telepath.com> --------------57C0A9B2E28A201E697E77F5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------57C0A9B2E28A201E697E77F5 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A8D6555.7B939189@telepath.com> Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 11:37:26 -0600 From: user Reply-To: cracker@telepath.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kr 2 Subject: for sale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit KR 2 for sale in proscess of installing diel trigear. rebuilt 2400 revmaster. elec start prop all instruments . needs cosmetic work (trailor rash and dings) new wheel paints , new hyd brakes. very clean 280 hrs. 5800.00 cracker@telepath.com 405-665-5484- --------------57C0A9B2E28A201E697E77F5-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:59:51 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2616TJ@aol.com Subject: FAA Message-ID: <82.6f4c4aa.27bec497@aol.com> --part1_82.6f4c4aa.27bec497_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FAA ADDS NEW TERM FOR PILOTS IN URGENT SITUATIONS There has been a small but important change to the Aeronautical Information Manual (AIM), designed to help pilots communicate an urgent situation without declaring an emergency. When in contact with ATC, pilots can use the word "immediately" to avoid an imminent situation. The change was based on the analysis of accidents by ASF and the FAA. Weather situations such as icing, heading changes near thunderstorms, and weather where an IFR clearance is needed quickly may all qualify for some extra ATC consideration. ASF recommends using the "I-word" as required, but realize that by then you may have let things go too far. ASF also recommends that pilots file a NASA ASRS report so that others can learn. For those of you who don't know about the ASRS report, it is in essence a "get out of jail free" card. I recommend you carry one with you at all times. Dana Overall 2000 KR Gathering host Richmond, KY mailto:kr2616tj@aol.com http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/hangar/7085/ --part1_82.6f4c4aa.27bec497_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 11:38:30 +1300 To: "Leonardo" , "Frank Ross" , "KR-net" From: "Dave" Subject: COGRATULATIONS Message-ID: <004701c0986a$df301700$35414fcb@e2u4f6> CONGRATULATIONS LEO You have a very nice looking machine.........WELL DONE David J Stuart Email fly@paradise.net.nz http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/~fly ----- Original Message ----- From: Leonardo To: Frank Ross ; KR-net Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 4:07 AM Subject: Re: RV: KR> Fwd: Sport Pilot form mac bb sport aviation > WHO WANT'S TO SEE A FLYING KR2S????? > > http://geocities.com/leoadrena/krpage.html > > LEO ,BRAZIL, KR2S. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 19:02:39 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: leos, kickin kr2 Message-ID: you must not live in the northeast weather is horrble here ever sinces geo bush came to washington . ihope my test flight goes asgood as yours. congratulations on yoor test flight. hats off to you!!!!!!!!! job well done.(nice paint scheme) mac bb sport aviation ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 10:25:37 +1000 To: "krnet@...." From: "paul e spicer" Subject: Banana boat!! Message-ID: <004a01c09878$27141960$dbae868b@paulspicer> ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C098CB.F7FFE6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gentlemen I am about to start building. The table is ready and the spruce laid = out. I came in on the end of the "banana boat emails. Do I gather that = to avoid a twist in the fuselage then one should put the plywood on the = completed fuselage structure? I am grateful for you help. Paul ps I saluted "Gentlemen". Are there any lady builders? ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C098CB.F7FFE6A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2001 01:04:43 -0000 To: "krnet@...." From: haffi@vortex.is (Hafsteinn Jonasson) Subject: Banana boat! Message-ID: <001b01c0987d$9d674a60$b89104c1@c0g3t9> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0987D.9C94B820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm in the same situation that you are and I've been spending last = evenings thinking about those things. I recommend that you read about the very = simple layout of Mark Lougheeds, you can find that article on the KR = construction page in the KR Online Newsletters, September 1996 issue and if you have access to old KR Newsletters, then read the march, april 1996 issue (Leveling of top longerons and straightening of firewall). those = articles have been very helpful and have brought a much deaper understanding to = the twists and turns in the fuselage. Hafsteinn Jonasson, Iceland haffi@vortex.is ----- Original Message ----- From: "paul e spicer" To: "krnet@...." Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 12:25 AM Subject: KR> Banana boat!! Gentlemen I am about to start building. The table is ready and the spruce laid = out. I came in on the end of the "banana boat emails. Do I gather that to = avoid a twist in the fuselage then one should put the plywood on the completed fuselage structure? I am grateful for you help. Paul ps I saluted "Gentlemen". Are there any lady builders? --- Hafsteinn J=F3nasson haffi@vortex.is ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C0987D.9C94B820-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 22:29:12 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Rex T. Ellington" Subject: Back in the fold Message-ID: <3A8DFE18.6526@telepath.com> Greetings all, using Friday to say Hi. I'm back to building after taking two years off to finish my book. Done. Now trying to get it sold to a publisher. Book shows that this oil pinch will be permanent. No, the world will not run out of oil until late this century. But, it is running out of cheap oil. This will make KRs look better and better. Remember that oil is a depleting resource. Too, energy cannot be recycled. Every gallon we use is one less for our children. Even to maintain world production capacity we need new giant and supergiant discoveries (multii-billion barrel size), but there haven't been any for about thirty years. Natural gas is also a depleting resource, and the left Coast is trying to use it all up as fast as possible. There are other things that will make KRs look very good. I will start up with my panel, to move ahead until the garage warms up enough to glue. Then cut ribs for h. stab. Will compare plywood covering with foam & glass. Will use hershey bar shape to increase area. Also plan to increase depth of fuselage at main spar to keep precious knee room. Have laid top longeron profile on 5/8 plywood. Bent and glued pine strips, with lots of cross pieces to hold shape. This gives me a mirror image of top longeron to use for making canopy and turtleback and designing roll-over structure. Have a good weekend building. Rex Ellington rtecg@telepath.com Norman, OK ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************