From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 24 Feb 2001 03:41:23 -0000 Issue 177 Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:41 PM krnet Digest 24 Feb 2001 03:41:23 -0000 Issue 177 Topics (messages 4193 through 4222): Re: This is weird... 4193 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 4194 by: Edwin Blocher 4195 by: Steven Eberhart 2100cc Revmaster for sale... 4196 by: Mark Langford KRNet contributions 4197 by: Mark Langford Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... 4198 by: CS 4199 by: Laheze.aol.com 4201 by: Horn2004.aol.com 4202 by: virgnvs.juno.com 4211 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 4212 by: CS 4214 by: Brian Vasseur 4215 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 4219 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: RC model KRs 4200 by: Frank Ross 4209 by: Tom Andersen anybody got a deal on a canopy 4203 by: KR2HOPPER.aol.com Re: Antenna for Composite AC 4204 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: h/p 4205 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 4208 by: Albert Pecoraro 4216 by: GARYKR2.cs.com 4220 by: Albert Pecoraro Possible virus? ... 4206 by: Albert Pecoraro 4207 by: Mark Langford 4217 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Neat looking model... 4210 by: CS Re: Powerand Sensitivity 4213 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: FRIDAY QUESTION 4218 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Cylinder Upgrade a 1600 to 1835 4221 by: Larry & Dorothy Jones ELT antenna 4222 by: Ralph H Snyder Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:15:50 -0500 To: "'Steven Eberhart'" , CS From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> This is weird... Message-ID: Does anyone know what Jeanette's e-mail address is? Do they have a technical support address? Daniel R. Heath DHeath@SCANA.com 803-217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: Steven Eberhart [mailto:newtech@newtech.com] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 1:10 PM To: CS Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> This is weird... On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, CS wrote: > Hi all, > > This is no big deal, it just seems a little odd to > me... > > The RR webpage says the KR 2 is 14' 6" long. > It also says the KR 2S is 16" longer than KR 2. > It also says the KR 2S is 16' long. > > Now I'm not a math major, but isn't there something > out of whack here? > > Doesn't 16' minus 14'6" equal 18"? > > I realize this pretty much falls into the "KR trivia" > category, but I'm just wondering what are the real > numbers. > > If I've missed something here it will be a LONG time > before I post again. > > Chuck This comes under the heading of "close enough for KR work". What's a couple of inches here or there :-) A bigger curiosity is Jeanette's distaste for the new airfoils while her poster child airplane, in all of her adds, doesn't have the RAF-48 airfoil. No flames please, it is Friday :-) Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:13:14 -0600 To: "Steven Eberhart" , "CS" From: "Edwin Blocher" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> This is weird... Message-ID: <000901c09dc4$4b7232a0$d3e279a5@computer> I don't think Jeanette is that opposed to the new airfoil. I think her distaste lies in the fact that she doen't have pre-molded skins for to sell for it. This is just my opinion ( for what that's worth) after discussing it with her at the gathering. Ed Ed Blocher Moody, Alabama kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Steven Eberhart To: CS Cc: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:10 PM Subject: Re: KR> This is weird... > On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, CS wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > This is no big deal, it just seems a little odd to > > me... > > > > The RR webpage says the KR 2 is 14' 6" long. > > It also says the KR 2S is 16" longer than KR 2. > > It also says the KR 2S is 16' long. > > > > Now I'm not a math major, but isn't there something > > out of whack here? > > > > Doesn't 16' minus 14'6" equal 18"? > > > > I realize this pretty much falls into the "KR trivia" > > category, but I'm just wondering what are the real > > numbers. > > > > If I've missed something here it will be a LONG time > > before I post again. > > > > Chuck > > This comes under the heading of "close enough for KR work". What's a > couple of inches here or there :-) A bigger curiosity is Jeanette's > distaste for the new airfoils while her poster child airplane, in all of > her adds, doesn't have the RAF-48 airfoil. > > No flames please, it is Friday :-) > > Steve Eberhart > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > To unsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:36:06 -0600 (CST) To: From: Steven Eberhart Subject: RE: KR> This is weird... Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Feb 2001, HEATH, DANIEL R wrote: > Does anyone know what Jeanette's e-mail address is? Do they have a > technical support address? > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@SCANA.com > 803-217-9984 Jeanette doesn't have email. She is running the company out of a spare bedroom in her mothers house. Unless something has changed recently, there are no builders, technical people or pilots on staff. She does have a couple of builders that she discusses technical issues with. THe primary method of communication is the telephone and FAX's. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:52:20 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: 2100cc Revmaster for sale... Message-ID: <00e801c09dc9$c0719370$561cf618@600athlon> A local guy emailed me with this for sale, and I'm passing it on... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- "0" time, 2100cc Revmaster, ca. 1970's. Single Tillotsen Floatless Carb, single Bendix magneto, straight exhaust. Built to Mil Spec for Northrop drone program in '70s. Never run. Drone program never got off the ground. Otherwise it's a std. Revmaster, S/N A 2017. Revmaster says it has a factory VW crankset (not cast). $1750 obo. Contact Marc at m&dsmith@hiwaay.net (not me, different guy, so don't "reply" to this message. It would be FOB Huntsville, I think. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:23:49 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KRNet contributions Message-ID: <011001c09dce$28254990$561cf618@600athlon> KRNetHeads, People are always asking me what they can do to support the KRNet list, and this is it. Last year at about this time KRNet got really flaky and eventually crapped out entirely. I signed us up for this particular mailinglists.org service because I knew it was fast and reliable from previous experience. It has definitely proven itself so far. Initially the fee was $110 ($10 to get started, and $100 for the first year) and Dr. Dean agreed that it would be a fitting contribution for Trailing Edge Technologies to pay that bill, so it wasn't a sacrifice on my part. I think we've definitely gotten our money's worth in the last year. The only problems we've had are people accidently unsubscribing themselves by clicking on the wrong address at the bottom, so be careful! Anyway, Alan Clegg, the guy that runs the service, has changed to a donation system whereby regular users can donate a small sum to keep his service afloat. The web site to make these donations is at http://www.mailinglists.org/donations.html . You can use "PayPal" to make the payment, or just send him a little check for maybe three or four dollars to: Firehouse Network Consulting Post Office Box 1896 Cary, NC 27502 Note that this has nothing to do with Ross's "official KRNet" web site at www.krnet.org , which requires some real money to support too. I'll leave comments regarding that to him. We usually take up a collection at the Gathering for that purpose but it was forgotten this year, and since it will be hosted by a non-netter this year, will probably be forgotten again. Thanks a lot, Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:43:35 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: <20010223204335.13086.qmail@web2301.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all... More weird questions... 1. While digging around on Mark Langford's site the other day, I saw where he mentioned leaving his plane in primer because of future mods. I have the feeling he was kidding, but it got me to thinking...why not? I've been looking at Sportair articles on composites and painting, also digging thru A.S.S. catalog (that's one acronym I actually like, between computer geeks and airplane freaks I'm about sick of alphabet soup)and I can't find an answer to whether finish paint is actually REQUIRED. It seems that most of the UV protection comes at the primer level anyway. My first set of weird questions: -Is finish coat required for some reason? -What is weight penalty of finish paint? (I already have a pretty good idea of the "money penalty") -Will "slick" finish paint lower drag to any appreciable degree? Also, I would like to paint my plane black, not necessarily in memory of Dale, but I just happen to lean toward the outlaw look (wonder why). I read somewhere that dark paint weighs more than light paint, and also is worse on UV issues. Are either of these true in a practical as opposed to a theoretical sense? My plane will pretty much be covered when it's not in the air, but some days I may be in the air 6-8 hours or more (not much shade up there). Is black paint an issue worth worrying about? Also, for some strange reason, A.S.S. doesn't seem to carry black primer...is there a neutral colorizer I can add to primer to make it black? Would doing that affect the chemical composition of the primer to any appreciable degree? 2. I'm thinking about using wing tanks that pump into a small (probably 6 gal) header tank. I want to design this to be able to fly inverted (maybe not cross-country but two minutes might be doable). I realize there is a vacuum issue involved, and the location of fuel pickups and "one-way" valves in fuel line needs to be considered. If someone wants to take a shot at helping me with this one (or pointing me in a direction where I might find out), I'd appreciate it if you would reply to me directly. I have a feeling this discussion is a little too "niche" for the board, and it might get kinda involved. Last weird question (for today): Anyone ever built an R/C model KR 2S? Thanks. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 16:03:11 EST To: dc9898@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: <8b.2c481f6.27c82a0f@aol.com> If you are planning on using hand layed up fiberglass coverd wing surfaces, the black will cause high heat in the sun, usually enough to increase the temperature quite a bit, probably enough to soften the surface. Flying through the air will have a cooling effect on the surface and lower the temperature some maybe enough to keep the glass cloth from sliding off your wing. I think you may want to paint the bottom black and the top white, then you can be half good and half bad, you can roll upside down and then roll rightside up before the bottom melts, how about this for a smart a_ _ answer? Larry Howell laheze@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:26:52 EST To: dc9898@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/01 2:48:47 PM, dc9898@yahoo.com writes: <<-Is finish coat required for some reason?>> I don't believe so. Many RV's remain bare metal until they've flown off their 40 hrs. Troy P. has his plane in primer after his fairly recent mods. Seems to fly pretty dang good. <> Yes. Don't do it. You'll probably be very sorry if you go with black. <> It shouldn't be too difficult. You need proper venting to avoid engine shutdown while inverted and to prevent the tank from collapsing. This thread was discussed about a year ago and some of the R/C guys noted that they use (and I think some of the aerobatic aircraft also use) a weighted, flopping pick-up tube. If you plan on doing much inverted flight or aerobatics, I would question your choice of the KR as a platform for this type of activity. Of course you may have 4130 testicles for all I know. <> Yeah, one of the guys who was on the list built a very nice KR2S. He had photos on his web site, but I don't have the URL. Anybody else? Steve Horn horn2004 Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:31:47 -0500 To: dc9898@yahoo.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: <20010223.183457.-286369.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Primer is not waterproof, need finish coat. Black too hot. if desired mix lampblack w/ paint for black. Virg On Fri, 23 Feb 2001 12:43:35 -0800 (PST) CS writes: > Hi all... > > More weird questions... > > 1. While digging around on Mark Langford's site the > other day, I saw where he mentioned leaving his plane > in primer because of future mods. I have the feeling > he was kidding, but it got me to thinking...why not? > I've been looking at Sportair articles on composites > and painting, also digging thru A.S.S. catalog (that's > one acronym I actually like, between computer geeks > and airplane freaks I'm about sick of alphabet > soup)and I can't find an answer to whether finish > paint is actually REQUIRED. It seems that most of the > UV protection comes at the primer level anyway. My > first set of weird questions: > > -Is finish coat required for some reason? > -What is weight penalty of finish paint? (I already > have a pretty good idea of the "money penalty") > -Will "slick" finish paint lower drag to any > appreciable degree? > > > Also, I would like to paint my plane black, not > necessarily in memory of Dale, but I just happen to > lean toward the outlaw look (wonder why). I read > somewhere that dark paint weighs more than light > paint, and also is worse on UV issues. Are either of > these true in a practical as opposed to a theoretical > sense? My plane will pretty much be covered when it's > not in the air, but some days I may be in the air 6-8 > hours or more (not much shade up there). Is black > paint an issue worth worrying about? > > Also, for some strange reason, A.S.S. doesn't seem to > carry black primer...is there a neutral colorizer I > can add to primer to make it black? Would doing that > affect the chemical composition of the primer to any > appreciable degree? > > 2. I'm thinking about using wing tanks that pump into > a small (probably 6 gal) header tank. I want to > design this to be able to fly inverted (maybe not > cross-country but two minutes might be doable). I > realize there is a vacuum issue involved, and the > location of fuel pickups and "one-way" valves in fuel > line needs to be considered. If someone wants to take > a shot at helping me with this one (or pointing me in > a direction where I might find out), I'd appreciate it > if you would reply to me directly. I have a feeling > this discussion is a little too "niche" for the board, > and it might get kinda involved. > > Last weird question (for today): Anyone ever built an > R/C model KR 2S? > > Thanks. > > Chuck > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:43:01 EST To: dc9898@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: <3c.7df47ba.27c86ba5@cs.com> In a message dated 2/23/01 3:49:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, dc9898@yahoo.com writes: << Is finish coat required for some reason? >> You can leave your plane in primer for ever. You can polish primer the same as color paint. Smooth paint is less drag than rough paint. Black paint is a big time NO! The glass will get too hot, deform, and weaken. Keep in mind, primer is a dark color. White is the first choice for ALL airplanes that are made of glass. If you are going to do aerobatics, pick another airplane. The KR is not what you want. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:54:46 -0800 (PST) To: GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: <20010224015446.7580.qmail@web2302.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gary, > Black paint is a big time NO! That seems to be the consensus answer. Not MAYBE not, NOT not. > If you are going to do aerobatics, pick another > airplane. I also heard this answer. I don't want to do Himmelmans, hammerheads, and all the other stuff seen in airshows, I just want to do rolls and half-rolls every once in a while. Do you mean the KR 2S is not designed for (mild) aerobatics, or it just WILL NOT do them? Thanks. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:22:13 -0700 To: "CS" , , From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: <007301c09e08$99a79e80$2c45e4cf@C5477> The KR is a slippery airplane, it's strong enough but it picks up speed quickly and spins too easily. Not a plane to learn acro in but safe enough for rolls and mild stuff. Anyone out there actually try acro in their KR. ----- Original Message ----- From: "CS" To: ; Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 6:54 PM Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... > Hi Gary, > > > Black paint is a big time NO! > That seems to be the consensus answer. Not MAYBE not, > NOT not. > > > If you are going to do aerobatics, pick another > > airplane. > > I also heard this answer. I don't want to do > Himmelmans, hammerheads, and all the other stuff seen > in airshows, I just want to do rolls and half-rolls > every once in a while. Do you mean the KR 2S is not > designed for (mild) aerobatics, or it just WILL NOT do > them? > > Thanks. > > Chuck > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:34:02 -0500 To: "KRNET" , "CS" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: Regarding your brief fuel tank layout question; Header plus two tanks My plans exactly, I have an 8 gallon header, pumping from two 7 gallon tanks in the wing stubs. I have a float switch which will hold the fuel level at about 6 gallons +/- 0.5 ( When fuel is available. I have a "flop" tube, mounted below midpoint in the front of the header tank. Tube is, I believe, from ASS, but may be from Wicks. I plan to use a fuel pump from a Honda Razz Scooter, which supplies about 2 psi. This into an Ellison carb. The low pressure is to minimise mixture change if pump/electricals fail. The pump is bypassed by an extremely low cracking pressure check valve from ASS. Tom Crawford assures me the Ellison will function at gravity head, tho somewhat less than perfectly. Should be good for long enough to find safe haven. There will be a very very good fuel filter just before the carburetor input. I have previous experience with inverted systems and flight, but have not begun to examine the inverted issues with VW engines (TBD). Like all good airplanes, mine will have aluminum tanks. ========================= Regarding Black paint; epoxy softens at reasonably low temperatures, but then we're not talking about a one layer DYNEL, are we? Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: CS [mailto:dc9898@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 3:44 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Hi all... More weird questions... 2. I'm thinking about using wing tanks that pump into a small (probably 6 gal) header tank. I want to design this to be able to fly inverted (maybe not cross-country but two minutes might be doable). I realize there is a vacuum issue involved, and the location of fuel pickups and "one-way" valves in fuel line needs to be considered. If someone wants to take a shot at helping me with this one (or pointing me in a direction where I might find out), I'd appreciate it if you would reply to me directly. I have a feeling this discussion is a little too "niche" for the board, and it might get kinda involved. Thanks. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:43:08 EST To: dc9898@yahoo.com, GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Paint, fuel, and more weirdness... Message-ID: <24.11940e84.27c879bc@cs.com> In a message dated 2/23/01 8:54:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, dc9898@yahoo.com writes: << I just want to do rolls and half-rolls every once in a while. Do you mean the KR 2S is not designed for (mild) aerobatics, or it just WILL NOT do them? >> It will do that stuff OK. I wasn't sure where you were going with your question. I have "Grayed Out" 3 times in my "2" playing fighter pilot. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 13:41:02 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> RC model KRs Message-ID: <20010223214102.18536.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> Chuck, There was a web-site with a 1/4 scale RC KR that was really nice. Unfortunately, when I just now tried to go there, it is not available anymore. Maybe someone else knows if there's a new address. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:05:50 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "Tom Andersen" Subject: Re: KR> RC model KRs Message-ID: <006001c09dfd$eded1c00$77dc5818@triad.rr.com> Hi Frank, That was my web site. I moved it when I went to broadband access. Here is the new URL for the 1/4 scale KR-2S: http://home.triad.rr.com/wingspan/quarter.htm My home page is http://home.triad.rr.com/wingspan/ . From the home page you can get to two more web pages with Dave Blucher's KR-2S with the Subaru EA-81, and also Tom Crawford's KR-2 with 90hp VW. There's a web page showing my radio control lawnmower, which runs just like you think. Enjoy! -Tom Andersen ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Ross To: Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 4:41 PM Subject: Re: KR> RC model KRs > Chuck, > There was a web-site with a 1/4 scale RC KR that was > really nice. Unfortunately, when I just now tried to > go there, it is not available anymore. Maybe someone > else knows if there's a new address. > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices! http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 18:36:21 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KR2HOPPER@aol.com Subject: anybody got a deal on a canopy Message-ID: Hi everyone! Anybody have or know of a stock kr canopy for sale ? possibly one from a project on hold or that has been abanded? I could really use a good deal on one since this would be my third one and my plane hasn't even flown yet! The first one was cut short ,the second one was completley installed & finished up to primer but a tv set fell off a shelf in my garage and landed right in the center of the canopy.PARTS is PARTS! !@#$%^&*( All I need to finish this bird is a canopy ,exhaust system for a cont.75 and a paint job! Oh yes and a kick in the ass to get my passion for this back,I haven,t touched this thing for almost 2years can you believe it? hows that for stepping back and taking a break! Anyways a deal on a canopy sure would be nice,otherwise it might be a cold & windy 1st.flight,and nobody likes those! Do they? Thank You, Ray Kobzeff Petaluma Ca. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:38:27 EST To: bmeans@worldnet.att.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Antenna for Composite AC Message-ID: In a message dated 2/21/01 9:23:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, bmeans@worldnet.att.net writes: << If anyone has a copy, I would be happy to reimburse any cost related to copying, emailing or faxing to me at: >> Send to RST and buy the material on making your own antennas. It has all the articles that Jim Weir wrote. The com antenna I made works better than the $100 store bought ones I installed on my "2". Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:47:58 EST To: paulwasp@webtv.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> h/p Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/01 12:12:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, paulwasp@webtv.net writes: << would like to hear your opinions regarding 60 h/p, vw engine for a KR2s. Adequate h/p or not...reasons if not enough. >> Install a 2180cc and you will be fine. The VW is the best dollar per horsepower engine out there. You could use the 1834cc but I believe you would not be all that happy with the performance in the summer. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:05:19 -0500 To: From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> h/p Message-ID: <00ca01c09dfd$dc9346a0$30d4b23f@steelcase.com> Gary, What size prop would work well on the 2180VW? Would a 54x54 or 54x56 be possible? Is it possible to swing a prop whose pitch is greater than its diameter? Albert > Install a 2180cc and you will be fine. The VW is the best dollar per > horsepower engine out there. > You could use the 1834cc but I believe you would not be all that happy > with the performance in the summer. > Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:34:04 EST To: gryphonflier@earthlink.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> h/p Message-ID: In a message dated 2/23/01 8:08:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, gryphonflier@earthlink.net writes: << What size prop would work well on the 2180VW? Would a 54x54 or 54x56 be possible? Is it possible to swing a prop whose pitch is greater than its diameter? >> For a 2180cc, the normal is 52x46 to 52x52. The pitch needed varies depending on who makes the prop. I had a 52x48 recarved to 52x44 (Props Inc.) on, 51x48 (Hegy), 52x46 (Warnke, my favorite but I broke it) and now a 52x52(Warnke). The Warnke's are "Almost Constant Speed" types. To me, these are super props. The 46" pitch gave me better climb with 2 people onboard. The 52" pitch gives faster cruise and less noise in the cabin. It is not uncommon to have a prop with more pitch than diameter. This is done when there is a problem with ground clearance. The high pitch is used to make up the lack of diameter. If you want to turn a 54" dia, some where around 40" to 44" pitch would be in the ball park. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:58:33 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> h/p Message-ID: <010801c09e0d$ae375840$30d4b23f@steelcase.com> Gary, Wow! You've gone through quite a few props! I devised a spreadsheet to calculate some numbers for prop diameter and pitch based on engine rpm. The result is an estimate of "forward speed". I used 3600rpm as the max for a 2180VW. Based on this figure, the maximum diameter propeller is 56" (this keeps the propeller tips under 900fpm at 879fpm). At 3600rpm the estimated "forward speed" is approximately 184mph for a 54" pitch and 190mph for a 56" pitch. These are purely theoretical numbers and scientific estimates at best. I was curious to see if the actual combinations could realistically be implemented. I guess in the true spirit of experimentation, I could always try a combination that hasn't been tried and test it out! ;-) Thanks for the feedback. Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 9:34 PM Subject: Re: KR> h/p > In a message dated 2/23/01 8:08:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, > gryphonflier@earthlink.net writes: > > << What size prop would work well on the 2180VW? Would a 54x54 or 54x56 be > possible? Is it possible to swing a prop whose pitch is greater than its > diameter? >> > > For a 2180cc, the normal is 52x46 to 52x52. The pitch needed varies > depending on who makes the prop. I had a 52x48 recarved to 52x44 (Props Inc.) > on, 51x48 (Hegy), 52x46 (Warnke, my favorite but I broke it) and now a > 52x52(Warnke). The Warnke's are "Almost Constant Speed" types. To me, these > are super props. The 46" pitch gave me better climb with 2 people onboard. > The 52" pitch gives faster cruise and less noise in the cabin. > It is not uncommon to have a prop with more pitch than diameter. This is > done when there is a problem with ground clearance. The high pitch is used to > make up the lack of diameter. > If you want to turn a 54" dia, some where around 40" to 44" pitch would be > in the ball park. > Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:54:09 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Possible virus? ... Message-ID: <00c201c09dfc$4cce93e0$30d4b23f@steelcase.com> ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C09DD2.62D393E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, I received an email today from "Sender unspecified" along with an = attachment named AFHDDOAF.EXE. I've tried searching the databases of = McAfee Anti-Virus software and Symantec Norton Anti-Virus software for = any information about this, but I've had no success. I have no idea what this attachment does, and I am not going to risk = finding out what it does. Curiosity is not going to kill THIS cat! ;-) If anyone knows what this is, could you please let us know.=20 Also, if you have your email settings to automatically confirm received = email, could you please disable it. The worst case scenario would be if = someone were to post a message to KRNet, they would receive +600 emails = stating: "Thanks for your email! I'll get back to you as soon as I can". Most email programs should have this under the "Options" section with a = checkbox to exclude sending receipts to mailing lists. I'm just trying to avert a possible "disaster". ;-) Thanks. Albert Pecoraro ------=_NextPart_000_00BF_01C09DD2.62D393E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:05:09 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Possible virus? ... Message-ID: <018701c09dfd$d57e3a00$561cf618@600athlon> Albert wrote regarding the stupid message: >>"Thanks for your email! I'll get back to you as soon as I can". I got this message twice today, once after each post that I made. It turns out that somebody (no signature either) at planecraft@prodigy.net has his autoreply set to automatically reply with that silly little message while he's on vacation or something. So everytime he gets a message from KRNet, it automatically hits the "reply" and sends that message. I unsubscribed him. The one thing I hate about this mailing list is that we can't shut down enclosures. I've asked Alan to fix that, but he hasn't so far. Just be careful and don't open any enclosures that don't have a good explanation for why they're there. Some message from a buddy that says "Hi, you gotta see this" gets deleted immediately unless it's followed by a sentence that explains what it is... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:39:08 -0500 To: "Albert Pecoraro" , "kr2s group" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Possible virus? ... Message-ID: Accept no *.EXE files from someone you don't know, and very damn few from someone you do know. Use Norton antivirus. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Albert Pecoraro [mailto:gryphonflier@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 7:54 PM To: kr2s group Subject: KR> Possible virus? ... Hi everyone, I received an email today from "Sender unspecified" along with an attachment named AFHDDOAF.EXE. I've tried searching the databases of McAfee Anti-Virus software and Symantec Norton Anti-Virus software for any information about this, but I've had no success. I have no idea what this attachment does, and I am not going to risk finding out what it does. Curiosity is not going to kill THIS cat! ;-) If anyone knows what this is, could you please let us know. Also, if you have your email settings to automatically confirm received email, could you please disable it. The worst case scenario would be if someone were to post a message to KRNet, they would receive +600 emails stating: "Thanks for your email! I'll get back to you as soon as I can". Most email programs should have this under the "Options" section with a checkbox to exclude sending receipts to mailing lists. I'm just trying to avert a possible "disaster". ;-) Thanks. Albert Pecoraro ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 17:41:55 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Andersen , Frank Ross , krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Neat looking model... Message-ID: <20010224014155.27089.qmail@web2305.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Tom, That's a neat-looking model KR 2S. That looks like a strake built just in front of the HS, is that what it is designed for? Do you know if anyone is using them on a full-size KR? The reason I'm interested in using the model is because I want to incorporate many of the changes found on Mark Langford's site including another 10" (he suggests that, his is actually a 6" stretch), bottom of fuselage shaped to match new airfoil, increased HS area, widened to either 38 or 40", etc. So I'm wondering, even if I can get the dimensions of a model to mimic the proposed dimensions of a full-size plane, do you know of any formula to try to make weight and power also proportionate relative to the plane's size? Might be cheaper and easier just to pay an engineer to run the numbers for me. Also, to everyone else on the board, the answers were forget the black plane, look for a flop-tube pckup for inverted, and primer by itself isn't waterproof. Actually, Larry Howell suggested that I just roll 180 every few minutes so the top could cool off while the bottom is heating up, then roll again. Makes sense to me... Thanks, all. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 20:56:40 EST To: sam@brantly.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Powerand Sensitivity Message-ID: In a message dated 2/22/01 1:39:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, sam@brantly.com writes: << From replys and comments about pitch sensitivity I come to the conclusion that KR2 are pitch sensitive. What about KR1`s??? I`d like to have 160-180 mph cruse speed, what size engine do I need to be looking for. >> The pitch sensitivity is easily overcome by flying with your wrist, not your arm. After about 5 to 6 hrs in a KR, everything else is like flying a dead whale. If you stick with a VW in the nose, you will get every thing you need for good performance. The key to a fast airplane is to build as lite as you can, and straight. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:43:11 -0500 To: , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> FRIDAY QUESTION Message-ID: One thing I've noticed, and it never seems to be in the sale ads; When you're burning a CD, go away and leave your computer alone 'til it's finished with the task. Buffer problems are mentioned in error messages, and CDs are useless if failed part way through the job. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: pjvisc@netzero.net [mailto:pjvisc@netzero.net] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:40 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> FRIDAY QUESTION Anyone have a CD R/W drive with a CD ROM drive on their system ? I recently bought and installed CD Burner and am having a few problems with conflicts. Any help would be very welcome. Phil Visconti ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 21:10:34 -0800 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: Larry & Dorothy Jones Subject: Cylinder Upgrade a 1600 to 1835 Message-ID: <3A97424A.AD7253FF@ncis.com> I'm looking for information on upgrading my 1600 engine to a 1835. I understand that there is a company that has these cylinder kits and necessary components. If anyone has any information about this please email me back at jones@ncis.com. I'm looking for price and availability. Thank you. Larry Jones ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2001 19:42:01 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: ELT antenna Message-ID: <20010223.194345.-3865679.1.ralphndori@juno.com> Hi netters I just bought an ELT and the instructions call for the installation of an external 24" antenna. It has to be a minimum of 3 ft from the com antenna which I have glassed in the vertical fin. This means I have to mount it behind the canopy. Does anyone know why it has to be an external mount, instead of a vertical mount in the baggage area? Ralph Snyder ralphndori@juno.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************