From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 27 Feb 2001 02:44:56 -0000 Issue 180 Date: Monday, February 26, 2001 6:45 PM krnet Digest 27 Feb 2001 02:44:56 -0000 Issue 180 Topics (messages 4283 through 4312): Re: Props 4283 by: Kr2skip.aol.com 4304 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: This is weird... 4284 by: Ron Eason 4287 by: Steven Eberhart 4291 by: Peter Nauta Re: 12 volt Electrical wiring and componets 4285 by: Ron Eason Re: Interesting new type KR size type aircraft 4286 by: Ron Eason 4289 by: Horn2004.aol.com 4294 by: Donald Reid 4297 by: gleone 4309 by: Brian Vasseur extending the firewall? 4288 by: Mark Langford Re: Chutes? - Fly the plane 4290 by: Frank Ross e-mail, credit cards, hard choices... 4292 by: Frank Ross 4295 by: Horn2004.aol.com Re: Aileron Bell Crank Assy ... 4293 by: Dale Baldwin I: KR> h/p 4296 by: Giampaolo Lucatelli TYPE 4 ???? 4298 by: Schmidt, Curtis 4300 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Anybody in Australia 4299 by: JC Marais slick mag 4316 4301 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com 4305 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: ELT antenna 4302 by: GARYKR2.cs.com prop lies 4303 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com 4307 by: GARYKR2.cs.com KR2 folks 4306 by: George Montgomery Looking For Drawings 4308 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: Chutes? (hypothetical) 4310 by: Brian Vasseur test 4311 by: KMcKen1.aol.com Re: Used Plans, QDKR, weird question, etc 4312 by: David Taylor Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:34:15 EST To: carterkr2s1@home.com From: Kr2skip@aol.com CC: krnet@mailinglists.org (krnet) Subject: Re: KR> Props Message-ID: <3c.7ed47eb.27cb0c97@aol.com> Try these folks, they seem to have good prices and what looks like an outstanding prop. Skip 250KB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:11:47 EST To: carterkr2s1@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Props Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/01 12:24:16 AM Eastern Standard Time, carterkr2s1@home.com writes: << Who has the best Price on props I have a quote from Ed Sterba of $500 and Bernard Warnke info is in the mail so they said. >> Try Props Inc. and Culver props. Look in the classifieds in the back of Sport Aviation. These two guys have good prices and nice props. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:01:25 -0600 To: "Steven Eberhart" From: "Ron Eason" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> This is weird... Message-ID: <012701c09f98$07b4aae0$537239ce@dana-coe> -----Original Message----- From: Steven Eberhart To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: RE: KR> This is weird... >Jeanette doesn't have email. She is running the company out of a spare >bedroom in her mothers house. Unless something has changed recently, >there are no builders, technical people or pilots on staff. She does have >a couple of builders that she discusses technical issues with. THe >primary method of communication is the telephone and FAX's. > > > >Steve Eberhart >mailto:newtech@newtech.com > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are >easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author I appalogize if I have misinterpurted the tone of the above statement, but If this is meant to belittle Jeanette you have done noting more than belittle yourself. I have a business also. I don't need a e-mail connection to run my business [ consulting engineering ] but I do because I want too. Her dosen't need it neighter. Certainly selling KR plans and parts made by subcontractors is not a storefront business. I have been running a company out of my basement for over 20 years [ four years w/o e-mail] and last year we gross $1,000,000.00, we provided income for 15 engineer's families. Why pay for storefront space you don't need? I think Jeanette is a great bussiness person. She is because you and I have a brought a good set of plans for many years after Ken died. She did not fold up the business after that sad event. I think we all need to thank her for continuing the KR business. I believe the KR is a good plane for people with limited means. She is keeping the price of plans down by decreasing her overhead and not paying for help she dosen't need. I honor her is conservative approach by not making quick emotional or popular decisions that have not been proven or in the best intrest of providing a economical set of plans and parts that are moderately priced. My web site is http://www.jrl-engineering.com/hangar.html Respectfully, KRRon . ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 21:19:08 -0600 (CST) To: Ron Eason From: Steven Eberhart cc: Subject: Re: KR> This is weird... Message-ID: On Sun, 25 Feb 2001, Ron Eason wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: Steven Eberhart > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Date: Friday, February 23, 2001 12:36 PM > Subject: RE: KR> This is weird... > > > >Jeanette doesn't have email. She is running the company out of a spare > >bedroom in her mothers house. Unless something has changed recently, > >there are no builders, technical people or pilots on staff. She does have > >a couple of builders that she discusses technical issues with. THe > >primary method of communication is the telephone and FAX's. > > > > > > > >Steve Eberhart > >mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > >easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > I appalogize if I have misinterpurted the tone of the above statement, but > If this is meant to belittle Jeanette you have done noting more than > belittle yourself. Apology accepted. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:58:52 +0100 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> This is weird... Message-ID: I respect Jeanette's decision not to have e-mail, and support your statement that we owe her a lot for keeping it up. On the other hand, it makes buying stuff a lot more difficult for guys like me, living abroad. She also doesn't take credit card payments. I think e-mail is cheap, lot's of ways of supporting e-mail. Is there no possibility for her to use e-mail, surely she's paying for the web site? No provider who will throw in e-mail for her too? And supporting credit cards would help too. Then I'll just be able to send it to her via Paypal. Regards, Peter Nauta Netherlands > > > > >Jeanette doesn't have email. She is running the company out of a spare > > >bedroom in her mothers house. Unless something has changed recently, > > >there are no builders, technical people or pilots on staff. > She does have > > >a couple of builders that she discusses technical issues with. THe > > >primary method of communication is the telephone and FAX's. > > > > > > > > > > > >Steve Eberhart > > >mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > > > > >One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand > opinions are > > >easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > > I appalogize if I have misinterpurted the tone of the above > statement, but > > If this is meant to belittle Jeanette you have done noting more than > > belittle yourself. > > Apology accepted. > > Steve Eberhart > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are > easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:10:00 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> 12 volt Electrical wiring and componets Message-ID: <012f01c09f99$3a6cdec0$537239ce@dana-coe> If any of you need a good source for 12 volt electrical components [ AMP and Delphi connectors, relays and etc.] go to www.waytekwire.com it's the best source I have. You can get a catalog by calling 1-800-328-2724, WAYTEK INC. 12 and 24 volt hardware is all they sell. KRRon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 20:39:15 -0600 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Interesting new type KR size type aircraft Message-ID: <014101c09f9d$50a44a80$537239ce@dana-coe> Take a look at this for something new ( http://www.bd17.com ). J. Bede is at it again. KRRon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:04:29 EST To: ron@jrl-engineering.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Interesting new type KR size type aircraft Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/01 8:42:18 PM, ron@jrl-engineering.com writes: << http://www.bd17.com >> I checked it out the other day after reading that he was back to his old tricks. It's an interesting concept. And there is "one" (sucker) born every minute. I just hope the magazines and other forums turn their backs on Jim and his new get-flying-quick scheme. He's ripped off so many trusting folks in his career that I think collectively people ought to let Jim know that he's not welcome in the experimental world anymore. I never lost any money to the guy, and he has done some pretty impressive things, but the bottom line is he is a bald-faced liar with little or no conscience. One of these days he's going to end up killing somebody who trusted his word. Even if he has issued his own Bill of Rights... Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 08:15:09 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Interesting new type KR size type aircraft Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010226080859.009fb890@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1405178==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed ><< http://www.bd17.com >> > >I checked it out the other day after reading that he was back to his old >tricks. It's an interesting concept. And there is "one" (sucker) born every >minute.... He's ripped off so many trusting folks >in his career that I think collectively people ought to let Jim know that >he's not welcome in the experimental world anymore. ...but the bottom line >is he is a bald-faced liar with little or no conscience. I certainly understand the sentiment expressed here, but I think that the situation is slightly different. I think that Jim Bede is a fine engineer and designer, but as a businessman, he is worthless. All of his designs show original thinking and a notable creative process. The BD5 failed because they changed from molded composite to aluminum and counted on an engine that never materialized. The best thing that he could do is find someone to handle his business while he designs airplanes. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org --=====================_1405178==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:31:46 -0700 To: Horn2004@aol.com From: gleone CC: ron@jrl-engineering.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Interesting new type KR size type aircraft Message-ID: <3A9A84F1.908ED903@tritel.net> --------------E50C6DFCC7CD35AC6F96BA9F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For anyone interested in the newest BD (n) aircraft, let experience and wisdom help guide your way. Here's my experience and the end results. First, I am not suggesting anything in this post. I am only presenting the fact of my experience with the BD-5. People change and learn from failed business practices. Bede's designs have always been ingenious. His business approach has not. Here is my experience. I will mention I kept all my correspondence with Bede Aircraft as well as with the various agencies I contacted to get my money back. I ordered a BD-5 in March, 1974 and sent my $400 deposit. I was customer BD-5D 4679. Every month I received what I euphemistically called "the monthly BD-BS Bomb" which extolled the virtues of the plane and how well it was coming along and, by-the-way, send more money. I read all the published reports about the plane and came to the same conclusion as one aviation magazine: there was a problem with the drive system resulting in ungodly vibration to the drive line. Also, their choice of engine was melting down in the mid 90 hour range. Paragraph 4 of the "Purchase Offer/Sales Contract" states, "This Purchase Offer/Sales contract is non-cancellable after acceptance, unless Bede Aircraft fails to begin production of the BD-5D by August 1, 1975, or schedules to begin production within a reasonable time thereafter. If Bede Aircraft fails to begin production by August 1, 1975, or schedule production as stated above, the Buyer may at any time before production is scheduled, cancel this contract and his deposit shall be returned to him." (Emphasis mine.) Realizing early on I probably would never see this plane, when that date came and no production date was even remotely visible, I asked for a refund. That was refused. I demanded a refund. That was refused. Phone calls were not returned. At that point, I notified the California (where I was living at the time) and Kansas Attorney Generals (AG). I also sent my package of letters, copy of the contract, Bede Corp's letters, etc., to the Federal Trade Commission. Later I called the Kansas Attorney General, at that time Curt Schneider. He informed me he'd received other complaints from around the country and he checked with Bede's bank to see what accounts were active. Under Kansas law, an escrow account was to be maintained to ensure deposits would be refunded. In the Kansas AG's letter to Mr. Bede's attorney, he wrote, "In a letter of December, 1973. you stated that Bede would deposit $600,000 in an account entitled 'Bede Aircraft Segregated Customer Deposits Account for BD-5 Project' with the Fourth National Bank and Trust Company in Wichta. The bank would be given the power to refund deposits to customers. On November 6, 1975, I contacted the Fourth National Bank and Trust Company and was informed that Bede had no such account; the only accounts Bede has at this bank are entitled, 'Bede Aircraft Inc.,' and 'Bede Aircraft Payroll'." (Emphasis mine.) Now, after the Kansas AG sent that letter to Bede Aircraft, naming two other complaints from Minnesota and Alaska, I received a check from Bede Aircraft for my deposit of $400. I don't know how many people did not get their money back from Bede, but I remember it wasn't long after that when Bede went belly up. Now, with regards to the current BD project, I would suggest use a common sense approach. Perhaps after all these years he has his business head screwed on straight. Then again, I don't know. As an aside, while flying in the Air Force, I bought a Grumman TR-2 which was a Bede design called the BD-1, I think. If Bede is selling complete planes, well, use wisdom. If he's selling kits, use wisdom again, but remember buying partial kits, if he does go under again, you've not lost as much as you would if you bought an airplane that never saw production. Besides, many home builders can complete a plane from the plans alone. Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 2/25/01 8:42:18 PM, ron@jrl-engineering.com writes: > > << http://www.bd17.com >> > > I checked it out the other day after reading that he was back to his old > tricks. It's an interesting concept. And there is "one" (sucker) born every > minute. I just hope the magazines and other forums turn their backs on Jim > and his new get-flying-quick scheme. He's ripped off so many trusting folks > in his career that I think collectively people ought to let Jim know that > he's not welcome in the experimental world anymore. I never lost any money to > the guy, and he has done some pretty impressive things, but the bottom line > is he is a bald-faced liar with little or no conscience. One of these days > he's going to end up killing somebody who trusted his word. > > Even if he has issued his own Bill of Rights... > > Steve Horn > horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --------------E50C6DFCC7CD35AC6F96BA9F-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:21:29 -0700 To: "gleone" , From: "Brian Vasseur" Cc: , Subject: Re: KR> Interesting new type KR size type aircraft Message-ID: <005201c0a063$fea1d8c0$2c45e4cf@C5477> Given BEDE's past history in the aircraft market it's clear that he's a genius when it comes to aircraft design. Sadly it appears though that he never learned the business skills to launch a successful aircraft kit and keep it going. Personally I'd like to see this guy succeed. What he should be doing though is selling his design to an existing successful kit builder and taking a percentage of the sales. ----- Original Message ----- From: "gleone" To: Cc: ; Sent: Monday, February 26, 2001 9:31 AM Subject: Re: KR> Interesting new type KR size type aircraft > For anyone interested in the newest BD (n) aircraft, let experience and wisdom > help guide your way. Here's my experience and the end results. First, I am not > suggesting anything in this post. I am only presenting the fact of my experience > with the BD-5. People change and learn from failed business practices. Bede's > designs have always been ingenious. His business approach has not. Here is my > experience. I will mention I kept all my correspondence with Bede Aircraft as > well as with the various agencies I contacted to get my money back. I ordered a > BD-5 in March, 1974 and sent my $400 deposit. I was customer BD-5D 4679. Every > month I received what I euphemistically called "the monthly BD-BS Bomb" which > extolled the virtues of the plane and how well it was coming along and, > by-the-way, send more money. I read all the published reports about the plane > and came to the same conclusion as one aviation magazine: there was a problem > with the drive system resulting in ungodly vibration to the drive line. Also, > their choice of engine was melting down in the mid 90 hour range. Paragraph 4 of > the "Purchase Offer/Sales Contract" states, "This Purchase Offer/Sales contract > is non-cancellable after acceptance, unless Bede Aircraft fails to begin > production of the BD-5D by August 1, 1975, or schedules to begin production > within a reasonable time thereafter. If Bede Aircraft fails to begin production > by August 1, 1975, or schedule production as stated above, the Buyer may at any > time before production is scheduled, cancel this contract and his deposit shall > be returned to him." (Emphasis mine.) Realizing early on I probably would never > see this plane, when that date came and no production date was even remotely > visible, I asked for a refund. That was refused. I demanded a refund. That was > refused. Phone calls were not returned. At that point, I notified the > California (where I was living at the time) and Kansas Attorney Generals (AG). I > also sent my package of letters, copy of the contract, Bede Corp's letters, etc., > to the Federal Trade Commission. Later I called the Kansas Attorney General, at > that time Curt Schneider. He informed me he'd received other complaints from > around the country and he checked with Bede's bank to see what accounts were > active. Under Kansas law, an escrow account was to be maintained to ensure > deposits would be refunded. In the Kansas AG's letter to Mr. Bede's attorney, he > wrote, "In a letter of December, 1973. you stated that Bede would deposit > $600,000 in an account entitled 'Bede Aircraft Segregated Customer Deposits > Account for BD-5 Project' with the Fourth National Bank and Trust Company in > Wichta. The bank would be given the power to refund deposits to customers. On > November 6, 1975, I contacted the Fourth National Bank and Trust Company and was > informed that Bede had no such account; the only accounts Bede has at this bank > are entitled, 'Bede Aircraft Inc.,' and 'Bede Aircraft Payroll'." (Emphasis > mine.) Now, after the Kansas AG sent that letter to Bede Aircraft, naming two > other complaints from Minnesota and Alaska, I received a check from Bede Aircraft > for my deposit of $400. I don't know how many people did not get their money > back from Bede, but I remember it wasn't long after that when Bede went belly > up. Now, with regards to the current BD project, I would suggest use a common > sense approach. Perhaps after all these years he has his business head screwed > on straight. Then again, I don't know. As an aside, while flying in the Air > Force, I bought a Grumman TR-2 which was a Bede design called the BD-1, I think. > If Bede is selling complete planes, well, use wisdom. If he's selling kits, use > wisdom again, but remember buying partial kits, if he does go under again, you've > not lost as much as you would if you bought an airplane that never saw > production. Besides, many home builders can complete a plane from the plans > alone. > > > > Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 2/25/01 8:42:18 PM, ron@jrl-engineering.com writes: > > > > << http://www.bd17.com >> > > > > I checked it out the other day after reading that he was back to his old > > tricks. It's an interesting concept. And there is "one" (sucker) born every > > minute. I just hope the magazines and other forums turn their backs on Jim > > and his new get-flying-quick scheme. He's ripped off so many trusting folks > > in his career that I think collectively people ought to let Jim know that > > he's not welcome in the experimental world anymore. I never lost any money to > > the guy, and he has done some pretty impressive things, but the bottom line > > is he is a bald-faced liar with little or no conscience. One of these days > > he's going to end up killing somebody who trusted his word. > > > > Even if he has issued his own Bill of Rights... > > > > Steve Horn > > horn2004@aol.com > > Dallas, TX > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 22:37:06 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: extending the firewall? Message-ID: <006701c09fad$c6fafcf0$561cf618@600athlon> KRNetHeads, Somebody said something about adding 4" to 6" to the fuselage in FRONT of the main spar. I'd be careful doing that if you plan to use a heavy engine. Don't forget that if you add 6" in front of the spar, the engine is going to have that much more moment arm behind it, and you'll be adding lead to the tail to compensate. The tail doesn't weigh much and it'll take a lot of weight back there to compensate for the engine, even if the tail IS 3 times further from the CG than the engine is. I just spent the day doing a preliminary weight and balance on my KR2S with my 250 pound Corvair (everything but the 6 pound mount and 8 pound prop) almost right up against the firewall, and after factoring those in, my CG with full fuel is 25.7 inches back from the firewall and 24 inches with empty tanks. This is just about perfectly in the middle of the 25% chord range. By the way, that's a grand total of 1.7" fuel shift, empty to full! Looks like I'll still be under 700 pounds too. This is gonna be sweet! Don't even try to reverse engineer these numbers, because my plane is so different from everybody elses, that it's apples to oranges, but I'll document it better as I get closer to flying. For example, I have wing tanks but no header tank, my wing is further back than most, I have more weight in the tail as a result of wider/thicker tail, slightly longer fuselage, fully balanced elevator, and my wings are a whole different ballgame. But the bottom line is that I now know how to build my engine mount, and I can try out my new auto-darkening welding helmet shortly... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 23:52:34 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Chutes? - Fly the plane Message-ID: <20010226075234.21772.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Most pictures of KR's that I have seen so far have > forward hinging canopies, which I presume is what the plans call for....If the aircraft is controllable and you are not personally on fire, you will, in most cases, be better off executing an emergency landing and egressing on the ground. ...I've been toying with ways to jettison a forward-hinged canopy and haven't come up with anything simple enough yet. Rick Junkin, Rex Taylor of Dragonfly fame, designed a release system for his forward hinges on the Dragonfly for just that purpose. As far as I know he never had to use it. He was (is?) a fairly compact guy and could have gotten out of a Dragonfly a lot easier than I can get out of a KR for sure. Many years ago I read a WWII pilot's account of rolling his Spitfire upside down to fall out of his disabled plane rather than trying to climb out. Don't know if they really did this or it was just literary license. Anyway, a plane like the KR which can be controlled by tilting your head (I'm told) would do some wild things when you start throwing off canopies and clamboring around trying to get out in flight. Even if the plane was on fire I think I'd try to remember to FLY THE PLANE. My luck, the parachute would be the first thing to catch fire anyway. The nice thing about gettin older is that I figure I'm way past due anyway, so what the hell... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 00:37:02 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: e-mail, credit cards, hard choices... Message-ID: <20010226083702.20458.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> > I respect Jeanette's decision not to have e-mail, > and support your statement that we owe her a lot for keeping it up. On the other hand, it makes buying > stuff a lot more difficult for guys like me, living > abroad. She also doesn't take credit card payments. I think e-mail is cheap, lot's of ways > of supporting e-mail. And supporting credit cards would help too. Then I'll just be able to send > it to her via Paypal. > > Regards, > > Peter Nauta > Netherlands Hi Peter, Only guessing here, but, the cost of e-mail for a one person shop isn't the money, it is the time. The phone calls and e-mail can be over-whelming for one person. Hiring and training help is often out of the question because it means raising prices to a point that no one is interested in buying the plans anymore. Again, the time involved with reporting taxes for employees and getting the paper-work for the government escalates dramatically. Same with taking credit cards. Credit card purchases cost the business not only money but time. These businesses have a very fine margin between staying afloat and going completely out of business. There will come a time, maybe not too far down the road when Jeanette will get tired of this and retire. I would not be willing to do what she does. I think it is like the KR itself, there are a lot of things we'd like to see better, but we need to be real happy we have what we do. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 09:46:04 EST To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> e-mail, credit cards, hard choices... Message-ID: <8b.2e101e5.27cbc62c@aol.com> <> Being a small business owner for the last eleven years, I understand how difficult (but necessary) it can be to have to wear numerous hats. BUT, lets not forget that you get paid for WORKING, not sitting on your duffer sending out plans as the money rolls in. It's never simple and it does take some effort. If it was simple and required no effort, there would be zero unemployment. Having bought several things from Rand, I understand how frustrating it can be even placing an order, let alone getting in touch with the business owner, or getting a simple answer to questions generated by inconsistencies in the plans which are being sold. Poor business practices are, in my opinion, indefensible. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 04:30:05 -0500 To: "Albert Pecoraro" , "kr2s group" From: "Dale Baldwin" Subject: Re: KR> Aileron Bell Crank Assy ... Message-Id: <20010226092059.BAYS25433.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@computername> Al, As I recall, I used clevis pins and spaced out the bellcrank brackets slightly. The downside was now the pivot bolt head was slightly above the airfoil, requiring a small blister to fair it. Dale Baldwin, -2 ---------- From: Albert Pecoraro To: kr2s group Subject: KR> Aileron Bell Crank Assy ... Date: Saturday, February 24, 2001 11:31 PM Netters, I was doing some work on the aileron bell cranks this evening to check for fit and clearance and I noticed that the bolt that fastens the eye-end to the aileron bell crank was interfering with the lower support bracket when I moved the assembly in (i.e toward the fuselage. This had me puzzled for a while. I tried adjusting the upper and lower support brackets, I moved the assembly higher to see if it would clear, but it wouldn't. I went to the builder's manual to see if there was something I was doing wrong. Well, I discovered something peculiar in the manual - p.62, photo #24 - left aileron bell crank assembly. Take a look at the bolt that fastens the eye-end to the cross-over cable ... the head is pointing down! When I assembled the bell crank I (naturally) installed the bolt with the head up (Heads up! Heads forward! according to Bingelis, unless you have no other choice). Isn't this where you want to have the bolt with the head up, in case the nut loosens? ... If that nut comes loose in flight and the bolt slips out, the cable that goes to the opposite bell crank will be ineffective. I don't know what consequences this could have in flight, but I have a feeling that it wouldn't be good. I am going to redesign the lower support bracket so the bolt (installed head up) will not interfere with it. Good night. Albert ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 14:19:23 +0100 To: From: "Giampaolo Lucatelli" Subject: I: KR> h/p Message-ID: <000001c0a00e$6804b860$e1871897@blucirce3> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C09FFF.1E409640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Netters, why not the Rotax 912? Thanks for the feedback, Giampaolo-Italy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: GARYKR2@cs.com=20 To: paulwasp@webtv.net ; krnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2001 1:47 AM Subject: Re: KR> h/p In a message dated 2/22/01 12:12:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,=20 paulwasp@webtv.net writes: << would like to hear your opinions regarding 60 h/p, vw engine = for a KR2s. Adequate h/p or not...reasons if not enough. >> Install a 2180cc and you will be fine. The VW is the best dollar = per=20 horsepower engine out there. You could use the 1834cc but I believe you would not be all that = happy=20 with the performance in the summer. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com = --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C09FFF.1E409640-- ------------------------------ Date: 26 Feb 2001 10:59:00 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: TYPE 4 ???? Message-ID: <000575BF@kaydon.com> Hey guys/gals: Not to long ago someone was asking where to get information on VW id number= s. I didn't pay much attention since I knew where my type 4 came from. Well= , I just picked up another type 4 Friday and now "I" need that information.= I searched the Internet for about 2 hours Saturday and had no luck. The en= gine has "CV" stamped on it and right above those letters it has "071F" sta= mped in ink! The engine has fuel injection and a small gold tag that says "= Genuine VW remanufactured". I haven't pulled the heads to check the bore ye= t because I was told this was a running engine less then 6 months ago so I'= m a little reluctant to tear it down right now just to see if I can use it.= If I can't, I'll just sell it for a small profit since I didn't give hardl= y anything for it! Any help would greatly be appreciated! Curtis Schmidt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:37:41 EST To: cschmidt@kaydon.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> TYPE 4 ???? Message-ID: <7c.12265b26.27cc50d5@cs.com> In a message dated 2/26/01 12:01:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, cschmidt@kaydon.com writes: << The engine has "CV" stamped on it and right above those letters it has "071F" stamped in ink! The engine has fuel injection and a small gold tag that says "Genuine VW remanufactured". >> It was used in a Vanagon, 80 to 83. 2000cc. I will send you the page to ID engines. The book I use is How to Rebuild Your VOLKSWAGEN Air-Cooled Engine. Has all tear down, clean, inspect, rebuild, assemble, run, and trouble shooting. The only other book I use is Steve Bennett's book. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 22:15:15 +0200 To: From: "JC Marais" Subject: Anybody in Australia Message-ID: <007c01c0a030$d6329f10$39c6ef9b@jc> Hi guys (and girls), I am in dire need of spares for a subaru EA81 Turbo engine. Apparently these cars were sold in Australia. I need an injector for a turbo motor. If you can not sell me an injector, or a set (old or new, but working), please supply me with an email addres or web address of somebody who could help. Thanks JC Marais South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:46:31 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: slick mag 4316 Message-ID: <32.1126c500.27cc52e7@cs.com> can somebody give me the gap for the points on my kr 1834 im setting plugs at 0.16 rec by great planes ichecked the arcives nothing? thanks Mac ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:14:57 EST To: Flymaca711689@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> slick mag 4316 Message-ID: In a message dated 2/26/01 7:47:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, Flymaca711689@cs.com writes: << can somebody give me the gap for the points on my kr 1834 im setting plugs at 0.16 rec by great planes ichecked the arcives nothing? >> If nobody gives you an answer in a couple days, I'll find my book that's somewhere in my shop and let you know. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:04:59 EST To: durosset@fidnet.com, GARYKR2@cs.com, ralphndori@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> ELT antenna Message-ID: In a message dated 2/25/01 8:12:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, durosset@fidnet.com writes: << You have my attention, now don't leave me hanging....HOW? >> Depending on how tight a--ed you want to be, a 23" piece of welding rod will work. As I have said before, get the booklet on building antennas from RST in Grass Valley, Ca. My com antennas I made work better than the $100.00 store bought ones I have. Com antenna - 23" 3/8 copper tubing mounted on a 46" strip of Fir with foil tape on bottom for ground plane. That one cost me nothing, made it from scraps. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:05:23 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: prop lies Message-ID: <57.121fb503.27cc5753@cs.com> All this talk of props has been miserable for me. if the manufacture tells you two or three weeks its alie!!!!!!!!!!! give it five to six weeks .their is no since in say who i gave my money to . idid call and ask if the tree was ready to cut down that at least got me the date that there going to ship it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:24:22 EST To: Flymaca711689@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> prop lies Message-ID: <8.10c952ac.27cc5bc6@cs.com> In a message dated 2/26/01 8:07:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, Flymaca711689@cs.com writes: << if the manufacture tells you two or three weeks its alie!!!!!!!!!!! give it five to six weeks >> It takes as long as it takes. If they tell you 6 weeks you would tell them to forget it. A prop can only be made so fast without having a poor job. If it fails in the air, you will really be pissed off then. Also keep in mind, if they were not busy, they would be out of business. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 18:51:42 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: George Montgomery Subject: KR2 folks Message-id: <001001c0a057$746be1c0$77034041@george> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0A025.289BB0E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need to make contact with some KR2/2S folks in the Little Rock, Ar/ = Central Ar area I am looking at a couple of used KR2's and would like to = pick your brain and take a look AR your aircraft George Montgomery gmmjr@swbell.net ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C0A025.289BB0E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 20:39:00 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Looking For Drawings Message-ID: Does anybody have a set of drawings for a Mitchell B10 by any wild chance. I need to make a new fuselage/cage for my brother-in-laws bird. He built it about 20yrs ago and cant find the drawings. The plans are not sold any more. So they have to be found used. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 19:30:04 -0700 To: "CS" , From: "Brian Vasseur" Subject: Re: KR> Chutes? (hypothetical) Message-ID: <006801c0a065$314aca60$2c45e4cf@C5477> Having a chute in your plane is a lot like having a liferaft in your sailboat. You'd never use it as long as there's some way to stay with the boat, and if the sailboat is sinking the liferaft might not be a guaranteed way to stay alive either. Chutes in an airplane are similar. Unless something breaks like a wing or a control cable, and you have altitude the chute is probably the wrong solution to get you out of your problem. The day you break a wing off from an unexpected spin would be the day you'd appreciate carrying that thing around with you. I don't expect to ever need my seatbelt, but I always wear it... ----- Original Message ----- From: "CS" To: Sent: Sunday, February 25, 2001 2:44 PM Subject: Re: KR> Chutes? (hypothetical) > Hey Rick, > > I'm also considering going with a BRS on my plane, > haven't posted here because it's been pretty well > covered, also found most of what I needed to know on > BRS' site, so basically it comes down to a decision. > > Anyway, here's another of those WANs (wild-ass > notions) that I seem to specialize in. This wouldn't > help in case of structural disintegration or > uncontrollable fire, but in unrecoverable departure > wouldn't it be possible to have a small chute that > would serve only to get the plane stabilized and > headed somewhat nose-down? From there it would seem a > pilot would at least have a chance of a dead-stick as > opposed to a dead-pilot landing. > > I realize there are engineering issues, but doesn't > the concept seem feasible? On one hand it's a drag to > have no protection; on the other hand a BRS is like > wearing full-body armor whenever you ride your > motorcycle. Sometimes ya just takes yer chances... > > Per fire...I wonder what is weight/cost for onboard > foam system? > > Just some more of the crap I think about when I go off > my meds... > > Chuck > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:31:25 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KMcKen1@aol.com Subject: test Message-ID: <69.11aa54fa.27cc6b7d@aol.com> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2001 21:38:27 -0500 To: "CS" , From: "David Taylor" Subject: Re: KR> Used Plans, QDKR, weird question, etc Message-ID: <011601c0a066$5da7cbc0$35d41718@cx787520a> Chuck, My understanding is that if the aircraft is being built for recreational or educational purposes you can complete the project yourself without disassembling it. You do not have to be the primary builder. You will have to prove that it is being built for educational or recreational purposes though. Make sure the builder kept good logs and pictures and I don't think you will have a problem. Of course I would check with your DAR to confirm but that is my understanding. .> Weird question of the day...If I get a project that is > beyond 51% qualification, can I "unbuild" part of it > in order to qualify, ie, strip empennage and redo tail > section, undo/redo turtledeck, undo inboard wing > section to install wing tanks, etc? Anyone ever heard > of this situation? I don't know who my DAR is yet; > I'm moving in a few weeks down toward > Chattanooga...guess I could call EAA 150 down there > and find out. I really would like to have the > repairman's certificate. > ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************