From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 27 Mar 2001 13:30:02 -0000 Issue 198 Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:30 AM krnet Digest 27 Mar 2001 13:30:02 -0000 Issue 198 Topics (messages 4792 through 4820): brake conversion 4792 by: Dr. No 4805 by: Ross R. Youngblood KR-2 on Display 4793 by: Albert Pecoraro 4794 by: Albert Pecoraro Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings 4795 by: Frank Ross 4806 by: michael beck 4816 by: Gognij.aol.com 4818 by: WA7YXF.aol.com 4820 by: Donald Reid control cables 4796 by: dene.collett 4797 by: Patrick Driscoll 4798 by: Rick Human 4799 by: Brian Albers 4802 by: Linda Warner 4803 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com flex-cable's 4800 by: Philip Heavirland 4801 by: Philip Heavirland 4808 by: Brian. P Vasseur 4810 by: Robert X. Cringely Re: Looking for AZ builders 4804 by: Ross R. Youngblood push rods 4807 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com 4819 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com Check this out 4809 by: Patrick Driscoll 4814 by: Robert Stone Needs a ride 4811 by: Ed Janssen Web Site 4812 by: DClarke351.aol.com 4813 by: Albert Pecoraro trim tab and H.S. 4815 by: Timothy Brown KR Newsletters 4817 by: Jesper Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 02:37:21 -0600 To: krnet From: "Dr. No" Subject: brake conversion Message-ID: <3ABDAE3D.82A22372@pol.net> My project has the original style retracts with cable-brakes and I intend to keep them, as they are already installed and work and I want to fly this year. I would like to upgrade the brakes, however, if this is feasible. Has anyone changed these to hydraulic? What parts were used on the wheels? I would like to use something like the heel-master cylinder set-up recently circulated. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:30:22 -0700 To: "Dr. No" From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: krnet Subject: Re: KR> brake conversion Message-ID: <3ABF7CAE.857D028D@home.com> Scott, I did the Matco wheels & brake installation on my KR. It was about $400 or so at the time (bit bucks). I had to machine away material on the wheel forks to get everything to fit, and I submitted a newsletter article some years ago ('89-90?) with photos... -- Ross "Dr. No" wrote: > My project has the original style retracts with cable-brakes and I > intend to keep them, as they are already installed and work and I want > to fly this year. I would like to upgrade the brakes, however, if this > is feasible. Has anyone changed these to hydraulic? What parts were used > on the wheels? I would like to use something like the heel-master > cylinder set-up recently circulated. > Scott > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:19:07 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: KR-2 on Display Message-ID: <001701c0b53e$f0693380$98d1b23f@steelcase.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0B515.065BE400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters, If you would like to see some pictures of a KR-2 being ung for display, = go to the following site: http://homepage.mac.com/gwwolter/EAAWeb/EAA211/Mar01News/Mar01.html The KR-2 was donated by Robert Love (2002 Secretary-Treasurer) for a = church youth-center display (they made the youth center look like a = hangar/aviation museum). All the information is on the site. Have a good weekend. Albert ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C0B515.065BE400-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 10:22:29 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Fw: KR> KR-2 on Display Message-ID: <002b01c0b53f$68a84840$98d1b23f@steelcase.com> <<>> What kind of a word is "ung"?! It should be "hung"! ;-) I hit the send button too quickly. Albert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 07:25:00 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings Message-ID: <20010325152500.289.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, I'd like to know what brand of wine that was. I'f it will help me have ideas like yours I'll buy a case of it. Thanks ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:21:43 -0800 (PST) To: Mark Langford , krnet@mailinglists.org From: michael beck Subject: Re: KR> Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings Message-ID: <20010326182143.3960.qmail@web3104.mail.yahoo.com> Thank you Mark for the thoughts, Its causing me to think more on things also! Mike Beck > Most of that weight I'm referring were stupid things > that I did while > building mine. For example, I was originally going > to use the NLF(1)0015, > so my spars were not as tall, so to get the same > strength I made my spar > caps 5/16" thicker. Then when the new airfoil came > along, it was back to > stock height, so I had to add another quarter inch > back to both top and > bottom to get back to the original depth. I figure > this cost me about 8 > pounds altogether. On the plus side, I now have 48g > spars, not that the > rest of the plane (or me) could stand that. Then I > had epoxied the wing > templates for the NLF to inner and outer edges of > the stub wings, and they > had become part of the wing tanks, so I couldn't cut > those out to replace > them with with the new airfoil templates, so I made > some more (with > lightening holes) and added them on to the others. > More weight. My aft > deck has too much foam in it, up to 2" in the front > edge. The first one I > built out of 1/4" Last-o-foam was super stiff and > only weighed 5.5 pounds. > I should have perfected that method (vacuum bagging) > and done the next one > that way, but it was a lot easier to just hog out a > huge block of foam and > glass both sides. This is where I got the idea to > do wing skins the way I > did them though. The final aft deck weighs about 11 > pounds, and it could > easily have been 5 if done correctly. The canopy > frame used lots of glass > to stiffen it. I should have used carbon fiber > exclusively for the whole > frame and it would have been a lot lighter. If I > had planned my aileron > cable routing better, I'd have simply run an > aluminum conduit through the > wing tanks, rather than partioning off a wedge > shaped area for "future > expansion". That would've saved 2 or 3 pounds, and > given me 3 or 4 more > gallons of fuel capacity. The Cleveland brakes are > pretty heavy, so I'd be > tempted to use the GPASC or Tracy Obrien's wheels > and brakes. I'd also have > used the 18/15% airfoil to lighten up the spars and > increase fuel tank > volume, but I'd have had to add 2" to my spar caps > to use it! And if I'd > used carbon fiber on all of my tail control > surfaces, I'd have less glass > and flox on the trailing edges, requiring less > counterbalance weight, and > I'd have saved that weight TWICE! > > In the "other than weight" area that I'd do > differently, I'd use bent up > center spars so the flaps could start at the wing > root and extend out onto > the outer wing, use the stock extruded piano hinge > for both flap and aileron > hinges, spring bar gear fastened to the spar under > the fuselage sides (like > Grove Aircraft sells) but 6" taller than the Diehl > gear, elevator balances > like Richard Mole designed (the ones on Dana's tail) > to improve stability > and balance the elevator at the same time, make the > fuselage a bay longer > and the tail only 76" wide, and a gullwing canopy > like Troy/Bobby's (but > made from a Dragonfly canopy). And I'd widen the > fuselage 6" rather than 4" > like I did. I'd also put a 2 or 3 gallon header > tank in the front deck that > stayed full, kinda like Don Reids's. I may still do > that one. And I'd > definitely use Dr. Dean's rod bearing tail hinges. > > After writing this, I decided not to send it, > because it's liable to start > another flame war, and I'll be answering questions > for the next week. But > I've had a pretty sizable glass of wine since then, > so what the heck. Maybe > it'll give a few adventurous souls something to > think about. If nothing > else, it'll get the purist-naysayer camp fired up > again, which is always > good for some cheap entertainment. Isn't denial a > wonderful thing... > > Mark Langford, stickin' 4130 together in hopes of an > engine mount > see KR2S project N56ML at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 20:38:05 EST To: kr2s2000@yahoo.com, langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings Message-ID: <4e.13638cb1.27f148fd@aol.com> --part1_4e.13638cb1.27f148fd_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys.........Here is an interesting thing I noticed today about weight in our airplanes! Today I was looking at the front of my plans manual and noticed that based on the performance numbers that we have listed in our manuals. N4KR lost 2.66 feet per minute in its rate on climb for every pound of weight that was added to the aircraft. That in itself does not sound like a significant number. However if you look at it as a 319 foot per minute reduction in the rate of climb for a 600# KR2, as opposed to a 480# KR2. We can see a tremendous penalty in performance for a few of those little extras. Jim Gogniat --part1_4e.13638cb1.27f148fd_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:24:17 EST To: kr2s2000@yahoo.com, langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings Message-ID: > I'd also put a 2 or 3 gallon header > > tank in the front deck that > > stayed full, kinda like Don Reids's I like this idea but if I had an electrical or fuel pump problem, how long would it take before I noticed it. 10 minutes - 30 minutes? How long will it take to make it to the nearest airfield. Another 30 minutes? Can I fly directly to it or do I need to detour around weather or a mountain? We are required to have enough fuel on board to make it to our destination and have a 30 minute reserve. I have flown an old high wing J-5 with this kind of setup and it works great. But it had gravity flow from wing tanks. In our KRs, I would feel a lot safer with an 8 gallon header tank and I'd be smiling bigger and whistling a tune as I flew along behind my 10 gallon header tank. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 08:34:38 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010327081753.00a01ca0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1507528==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 09:24 PM 3/26/2001 -0500, WA7YXF@aol.com wrote: > > I'd also put a 2 or 3 gallon header > > > tank in the front deck that > > > stayed full, kinda like Don Reids's > >I like this idea but if I had an electrical or fuel pump problem, how long >would it take before I noticed it. 10 minutes - 30 minutes? How long will >it take to make it to the nearest airfield. Another 30 minutes? Can I fly >directly to it or do I need to detour around weather or a mountain? We are >required to have enough fuel on board to make it to our destination and have >a 30 minute reserve. In my case, I have three lights on the panel for my 2 1/2 gallon header tank. The green light is fuel pump power. The fuel pump will run constantly to keep the header tank full with overflow back to the wing tanks. The first red light will come on when the tank level decreases by approximately 0.2 gallons in level flight. The second red light will come on at approximately 0.3 gallons below normal. At a low power setting, I will have about 30 minutes to find a place to set down. Wing tanks have small sumps with check valves so that the inlet port will be very unlikely to uncover. This way, I hope to be able to feed from both wing tanks at the same time This is not the normal method for wing tanks in a low wing aircraft. I hope to minimize cockpit workload. The pump will self-prime since it is at the lowest point in the system. The regulations do not require you to have sufficient fuel to have a thirty minute reserve if there is a system failure. In my case, the reserve gives me time to plan. Even in the worst terrain, you can find some place to land. You may not fly the plane again but you will have the time that you need. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org --=====================_1507528==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:57:54 +0200 To: "krnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: control cables Message-ID: <000001c0b566$2c5c1de0$b4e8cba3@dean> Hi guys/gals I was thinking today about building the push pull system for my ailerons when it came to me that there will be very little space for them with the wheel retracted. I was about to scrap the idea of having a push pull system when I thought of using control cables as is used for the gear and throttle control on outboard motors. I have a guy here that can make up these type of cables to any length with just about any type of fittings on the ends. I have no doubt that they are strong enough but I suspect that they will put too much friction in the system. Any thoughts on this ??? Dene Collett South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:28:4 -0600 To: "krnet" , "dene.collett" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: RE: KR> control cables Message-ID: <41200131263284610@earthlink.net> I believe that the cables used on outboard motors are flex cables and they are run through a flex tube. You would have to tie down the tube every few inches to keep them from flexing and not delivering the thrust needed to actuate the controls > [Original Message] > From: dene.collett > To: krnet > Date: 3/25/01 2:00:34 PM > Subject: KR> control cables > > Hi guys/gals > > I was thinking today about building the push pull system for my ailerons > when it came to me that there will be very little space for them with the > wheel retracted. > > I was about to scrap the idea of having a push pull system when I thought of > using control cables as is used for the gear and throttle control on > outboard motors. I have a guy here that can make up these type of cables to > any length with just about any type of fittings on the ends. > > I have no doubt that they are strong enough but I suspect that they will put > too much friction in the system. > Any thoughts on this ??? > Dene Collett > South Africa > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --- Patrick Driscoll --- patrick36@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:36:28 -0600 To: "dene.collett" , krnet From: Rick Human Subject: Re: KR> control cables Message-id: <002501c0b5a5$f2ab0760$5e0ac1cf@compaq> If I remember correctly that's what the Velocity uses. Should be a viable solution. I believe that you can get these cable with a Teflon lining - talk to you supplier - that should ensure very low friction in the cables. ----- Original Message ----- From: "dene.collett" To: "krnet" Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 1:57 PM Subject: KR> control cables > Hi guys/gals > > I was thinking today about building the push pull system for my ailerons > when it came to me that there will be very little space for them with the > wheel retracted. > > I was about to scrap the idea of having a push pull system when I thought of > using control cables as is used for the gear and throttle control on > outboard motors. I have a guy here that can make up these type of cables to > any length with just about any type of fittings on the ends. > > I have no doubt that they are strong enough but I suspect that they will put > too much friction in the system. > Any thoughts on this ??? > Dene Collett > South Africa > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 22:50:59 -0500 To: From: "Brian Albers" Subject: Re: Control Cables Message-ID: <001401c0b5a7$f8604b00$6a2f810a@brianspc> ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0B57E.0F68B140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The control cable idea sounds good. My concern would be in what you = would call the helm. (As it relates to boats) I have seen plenty of = cables which have either sheared the teeth of the cog in the helm. Or = else have stripped the grooves off the push /pull cable. Although in the = marine application the cables are made to bend 180' around about a 4 = inch diameter cog. With the proper ratios and lever, I think that the = problems seen in marine aplications could be prevented in an Air Frame. = My question would be whether or not you would realize a weight savings = vs. standard rigging. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C0B57E.0F68B140-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 23:33:26 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: KR> control cables Message-ID: <18958-3ABEC696-4408@storefull-226.iap.bryant.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-21996-2371 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit I believe the cables would be smooth enough, my only concern would be the slight play that cables tend to develop. Unless the ailerons were 100% balanced, any play could allow the ailerons to flutter. They would naturally lack the tie together that would be prevelant in the standard system where the balance cable would help prevent flutter. You would, of course hate to risk losing your ailerons if one cable would jam as someone else stated earlier. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl --WebTV-Mail-21996-2371 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.179) by storefull-223.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 11:00:25 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+brightmail) id 4F1A9146; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:00:30 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: jaslkw@webtv.net Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpin-101-11.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+brightmail) with SMTP id 6246F16E for ; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:00:29 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 3852 invoked by alias); 25 Mar 2001 20:00:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 3830 invoked from network); 25 Mar 2001 20:00:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c0b566$2c5c1de0$b4e8cba3@dean> From: "dene.collett" To: "krnet" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 21:57:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Subject: KR> control cables Hi guys/gals I was thinking today about building the push pull system for my ailerons when it came to me that there will be very little space for them with the wheel retracted. I was about to scrap the idea of having a push pull system when I thought of using control cables as is used for the gear and throttle control on outboard motors. I have a guy here that can make up these type of cables to any length with just about any type of fittings on the ends. I have no doubt that they are strong enough but I suspect that they will put too much friction in the system. Any thoughts on this ??? Dene Collett South Africa --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --WebTV-Mail-21996-2371-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 09:00:13 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: control cables Message-ID: morris cables are used on the rans S10 check there site. they tend to flex to much . I made push rods for my kr mac bb sport aviation ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 20:01:31 -0800 To: From: "Philip Heavirland" Subject: flex-cable's Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C0B566.6305F3C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Flex-cable's have bad habit of breaking a single strand inside the housin= g,and then the cable will only go one direction ,I know from experiance.P= heavirland@msn.com....
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-- Brian. P Vasseur -- vasseurb@cadvision.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 14:34:21 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> flex-cable's Message-Id: I used aircraft quality flex cables for aileron control of a non-KR homebuilt several years ago. They proved unsatisfactory due to excessive control forces. There wasn't a safety issue, but gosh that stick was STIFF. What led me to use the flex cables in the first place was this same problem of difficult routing. The eventual (and very satisfactory) solution was to do what Vari-eze builders do to control their tip rudders: they run stainless control cable through nyflo tubing. Of course the Eze folks use only a single cable acting against a spring, but I used a pair of cables on each side acting in opposition to each other. This allowed more flexible routing and the elimination of pulleys. While I'd say the controls were probably firmer than had I used pulleys, they were VASTLY lighter and smoother (lower break-out force) than the original flex cables. And then there are the added advantages that you can make up such cables on the spot (no waiting for Aircraft Spruce) and they cost less than a tenth of flex cables. You DO have to firmly affix both ends of the Nyflo tube, but intermediate connections aren't needed except to keep the tube from flopping around. Flopping isn't a problem for the Eze's, since their Nyflo tubes are buried in Styrofoam. I have little concern about wear, either, since Eze's have run 2000+ hours with this configuration and my tubes, at least, are in a position to be inspected. Bob >I think you need to realize there's aircraft cables and lawnmower cables. >The aircraft cables are a sealed unit (you have to get them made to a >specific length), are teflon coated or smoothness and have an adjustment >range on each end. It's not necessary to secure them other than the locknut >fitting at each end, so they can be routed in any direction. The straighter >they are the smoother they are but that goes without saying. > >Another post said they had to be secured every few inches which is false. As >long as the two ends of the sheath are secure what happens in the middle is >irrelevant. > >Philip Heavirland wrote: >>Flex-cable's have a surprise they can break off a single stand inside the >>housing,and it can lock the to go one diction only.Pheavirland@msn.com
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>-- > Brian. P Vasseur -- vasseurb@cadvision.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 10:28:46 -0700 To: FIDNET From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Looking for AZ builders Message-ID: <3ABF7C4E.B94F9FF1@home.com> Darryl, I'm in the Chandler area... I'd come and pick you up, but I have hooked up with a flying club, and the only plane I'm qualified to fly is down for a new engine. In the meantime, I'm planning to get checked out in the Mooney Retract. If I get my 10 hours in time, I might be able to fly south and pick you up. Otherwise, you would have to drive up to Chandler. I just changed my oil... the engine had been sitting for over a year without being run, and I'm getting the KR ready for some taxi work. -- Ross FIDNET wrote: > I am going to be attending a 2 week school in Sierra Vista during the middle > 2 weeks of April. Looking for builders there who would like to share an > hour or two. I would love to visit and see what you are doing or have done. > Willing to drive a 100-150 miles on the weekend to get some ideas. Let me > know how to reach you. > > Thanks > > Darryl DuRossette > N21KC@MO1 > Ft. Lost in the Woods, Ozarks > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:27:46 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: push rods Message-ID: <6.1402d1d1.27f10042@cs.com> Phil IM no engineer it took me over year to get it right. I used FAQ site at http://www.evansville.net/~boeing/...t_viking/chapter7/clarke/aill.html and mark Jones site idid call him he is very smart and I think he can help. For retracts it is a lot easier to use push rods mine is a tri gear . mac bb sport aviation ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 21:34:55 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: push rods Message-ID: Phil look under FAQ kr2s construction guys name is don Clark. They changed the site address it is still there. Mac BB sport ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:54:53 -0600 To: "KR post" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Check this out Message-ID: <4120013126215453710@earthlink.net> > > > > ABOUT THOSE AIRCRAFT ENGINEERS > > > > > > > > Never let it be said that ground crews and engineers > > > > lack a sense of humor. > > > > Here are some actual maintenance complaints or problems > > > > generally known as "squawks" recently submitted by > > > > QUANTAS Pilots to maintenance engineers. > > > > After attending to the squawks, maintenance crews are > > > > required to log the details of the action taken to solve > > > > the pilots' squawks. > > > > > > > > (P = The problem logged by the pilot.) > > > > (S = The solution and action taken by the engineers.) > > > > > > > > P - Left inside main tyre almost needs replacement. > > > > S - Almost replaced left inside main tyre. > > > > > > > > P - Test flight OK, except autoland very rough. > > > > S - Autoland not installed on this aircraft. > > > > > > > > P - No. 2 propeller seeping prop fluid. > > > > S - No. 2 propeller seepage normal - Nos. 1, 3 and 4 propellers lack > > normal seepage. > > > > > > > > P - Something loose in cockpit. > > > > S - Something tightened in cockpit. > > > > > > > > P - Dead bugs on windshield. > > > > S - Live bugs on backorder. > > > > > > > > P - Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200-fpm descent. > > > > S - Cannot reproduce problem on ground. > > > > > > > > P - Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. > > > > S - Evidence removed. > > > > > > > > P - DME volume unbelievably loud. > > > > S - Volume set to more believable level. > > > > > > > > P - Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. > > > > S - That's what they are there for! > > > > > > > > P - IFF inoperative. > > > > S - IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. > > > > > > > > P - Suspected crack in windscreen. > > > > S - Suspect you're right. > > > > > > > > P - Number 3 engine missing. > > > > S - Engine found on right wing after brief search. > > > > > > > > P - Aircraft handles funny. > > > > S - Aircraft warned to "Straighten up, Fly Right, and Be Serious." > > > > > > > > P - Target radar hums. > > > > S - Reprogrammed target radar with words. > > > > > > > > P - Mouse in cockpit. > > > > S - Cat installed --- Patrick Driscoll --- patrick36@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:00:10 -0600 To: , "KR post" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Check this out Message-ID: <000501c0b650$e50f54c0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Hay Pat: Those were great, send more Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR post" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: KR> Check this out > > > > > > > > ABOUT THOSE AIRCRAFT ENGINEERS > > > > > > > > > > Never let it be said that ground crews and engineers > > > > > lack a sense of humor. > > > > > Here are some actual maintenance complaints or problems > > > > > generally known as "squawks" recently submitted by > > > > > QUANTAS Pilots to maintenance engineers. > > > > > After attending to the squawks, maintenance crews are > > > > > required to log the details of the action taken to solve > > > > > the pilots' squawks. > > > > > > > > > > (P = The problem logged by the pilot.) > > > > > (S = The solution and action taken by the engineers.) > > > > > > > > > > P - Left inside main tyre almost needs replacement. > > > > > S - Almost replaced left inside main tyre. > > > > > > > > > > P - Test flight OK, except autoland very rough. > > > > > S - Autoland not installed on this aircraft. > > > > > > > > > > P - No. 2 propeller seeping prop fluid. > > > > > S - No. 2 propeller seepage normal - Nos. 1, 3 and 4 propellers lack > > > normal seepage. > > > > > > > > > > P - Something loose in cockpit. > > > > > S - Something tightened in cockpit. > > > > > > > > > > P - Dead bugs on windshield. > > > > > S - Live bugs on backorder. > > > > > > > > > > P - Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200-fpm descent. > > > > > S - Cannot reproduce problem on ground. > > > > > > > > > > P - Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. > > > > > S - Evidence removed. > > > > > > > > > > P - DME volume unbelievably loud. > > > > > S - Volume set to more believable level. > > > > > > > > > > P - Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. > > > > > S - That's what they are there for! > > > > > > > > > > P - IFF inoperative. > > > > > S - IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. > > > > > > > > > > P - Suspected crack in windscreen. > > > > > S - Suspect you're right. > > > > > > > > > > P - Number 3 engine missing. > > > > > S - Engine found on right wing after brief search. > > > > > > > > > > P - Aircraft handles funny. > > > > > S - Aircraft warned to "Straighten up, Fly Right, and Be Serious." > > > > > > > > > > P - Target radar hums. > > > > > S - Reprogrammed target radar with words. > > > > > > > > > > P - Mouse in cockpit. > > > > > S - Cat installed > > > --- Patrick Driscoll > --- patrick36@earthlink.net > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 17:14:44 -0600 To: "KR post" From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Needs a ride Message-ID: <004701c0b64a$8b829580$020010ac@dad> I 've strongly suggested to a friend who is refurbishing a recently purchased KR-1, that he get a ride in a KR-2 before flying his KR-1 for the first time. You guys know how important this experience would be for a rather low time pilot. Could someone out there suggest a KR-2 pilot in the Hammond , IN area that would give him a ride? This fellow is small and light - well within the KR-2 passenger limitations. Thanks. E-mail me privately please. Ed J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR post" Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 3:54 PM Subject: KR> Check this out > > > > > > > > ABOUT THOSE AIRCRAFT ENGINEERS > > > > > > > > > > Never let it be said that ground crews and engineers > > > > > lack a sense of humor. > > > > > Here are some actual maintenance complaints or problems > > > > > generally known as "squawks" recently submitted by > > > > > QUANTAS Pilots to maintenance engineers. > > > > > After attending to the squawks, maintenance crews are > > > > > required to log the details of the action taken to solve > > > > > the pilots' squawks. > > > > > > > > > > (P = The problem logged by the pilot.) > > > > > (S = The solution and action taken by the engineers.) > > > > > > > > > > P - Left inside main tyre almost needs replacement. > > > > > S - Almost replaced left inside main tyre. > > > > > > > > > > P - Test flight OK, except autoland very rough. > > > > > S - Autoland not installed on this aircraft. > > > > > > > > > > P - No. 2 propeller seeping prop fluid. > > > > > S - No. 2 propeller seepage normal - Nos. 1, 3 and 4 propellers lack > > > normal seepage. > > > > > > > > > > P - Something loose in cockpit. > > > > > S - Something tightened in cockpit. > > > > > > > > > > P - Dead bugs on windshield. > > > > > S - Live bugs on backorder. > > > > > > > > > > P - Autopilot in altitude-hold mode produces a 200-fpm descent. > > > > > S - Cannot reproduce problem on ground. > > > > > > > > > > P - Evidence of leak on right main landing gear. > > > > > S - Evidence removed. > > > > > > > > > > P - DME volume unbelievably loud. > > > > > S - Volume set to more believable level. > > > > > > > > > > P - Friction locks cause throttle levers to stick. > > > > > S - That's what they are there for! > > > > > > > > > > P - IFF inoperative. > > > > > S - IFF always inoperative in OFF mode. > > > > > > > > > > P - Suspected crack in windscreen. > > > > > S - Suspect you're right. > > > > > > > > > > P - Number 3 engine missing. > > > > > S - Engine found on right wing after brief search. > > > > > > > > > > P - Aircraft handles funny. > > > > > S - Aircraft warned to "Straighten up, Fly Right, and Be Serious." > > > > > > > > > > P - Target radar hums. > > > > > S - Reprogrammed target radar with words. > > > > > > > > > > P - Mouse in cockpit. > > > > > S - Cat installed > > > --- Patrick Driscoll > --- patrick36@earthlink.net > --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:44:48 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DClarke351@aol.com Subject: Web Site Message-ID: <97.13125474.27f12e70@aol.com> I lost Mark Jones web address. Anyone out htere have it? Don Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 18:54:31 -0500 To: From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> Web Site Message-ID: <002701c0b650$200f81e0$b5d4b23f@steelcase.com> Don (and anyone else): http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage Now don't lose it again, or I won't give you another one! ;-) Have fun. Albert ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 26, 2001 6:44 PM Subject: KR> Web Site > I lost Mark Jones web address. Anyone out htere have it? Don Clarke > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 16:13:03 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: trim tab and H.S. Message-ID: <20010327001303.30308.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Net: What is the general consensus for the "nyrod cable" for the trim tab as mentioned in RR Manual pg 48. Also, in flipping through the Wicks catalog I found on pg 149 control cable fairings. This trim cable "exit" location in the H.S. seems to be a good place for these. Any thoughts? Any good pages you can send me to like the Dr.Dean hinge page that I was sent to would sure be helpful. Thanks. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 02:48:30 +0100 To: From: "Jesper" Subject: KR Newsletters Message-ID: <002801c0b660$0907b6b0$3200000a@tbird900> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0B668.68537D90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have issue 234 Nov1996 to issue 248 Feb 1998 Anybody want them Regards Jesper Q2 BPNL ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0B668.68537D90-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************