From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 29 Mar 2001 13:44:45 -0000 Issue 199 Date: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:45 AM krnet Digest 29 Mar 2001 13:44:45 -0000 Issue 199 Topics (messages 4821 through 4837): Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings 4821 by: Guenther Bryce Re: Control Cables 4822 by: dene.collett Aluminum Fuel Tanks 4823 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 4824 by: William J. Starrs 4825 by: Albert Pecoraro H.S. 4826 by: Timothy Brown 4827 by: Edwin Blocher 4828 by: WA7YXF.aol.com test 4829 by: KRkip.aol.com 4831 by: Frank Ross Re: TGIF FOR SALE 4830 by: Gaylon Fuller Sun-N-Fun 4832 by: Linda Warner Re: lick by the posa 4833 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com SnF stopover... 4834 by: CS KR gathering 4835 by: FIDNET 4837 by: Rick Hubka Rudder cable slots 4836 by: John and Janet Martindale Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 09:36:31 -0800 (PST) To: Gognij@aol.com, kr2s2000@yahoo.com, langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> Re: shaving weight, and other ramblings Message-ID: <20010327173631.36132.qmail@web11101.mail.yahoo.com> --- Gognij@aol.com wrote: > Guys.........Here is an interesting thing I noticed > today about weight in our > airplanes! > > Today I was looking at the front of my > plans manual and noticed > that based on the performance numbers that we have > listed in our manuals. > N4KR lost 2.66 feet per minute in its rate on climb > for every pound of weight > that was added to the aircraft. That in itself does > not sound like a > significant number. However if you look at it as a > 319 foot per minute > reduction in the rate of climb for a 600# KR2, as > opposed to a 480# KR2. We > can see a tremendous penalty in performance for a > few of those little extras. > Jim > Gogniat > Hey Hey Hey is what the Fat Albert cartoon used to say !!! We make up for larthargic performance with H.P. lots of it, let here from you guys! 1,500 ft/min and 2,800 ft/min KR's with 115 HP (+). Those peski low powered KR's suffer with inadequate power on a high density altitude day, why one fouled spark plug could be a catastrophe so more abundantly the power the more margin of safe performance there is! Bryce Guenther KR owner/builder (108 hp) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:48:37 +0200 To: "Brian Albers" , "krnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Control Cables Message-ID: <000701c0b6f7$39161620$63f1cba3@dean> Brian said: ( The control cable idea sounds good. My concern would be in what you would call the helm. (As it relates to boats) I have seen plenty of cables which have either sheared the teeth of the cog in the helm.) Hi Brian Thanks for the reply, I thought I would reply to you via the net in order to eliminate any more confusion. The cables I was referring to are the ones used to actuate the gear and throttle NOT the steering. Maybe I should have been more specific, sorry. Judging from some of the other replies, it looks like I have one more problem solved. As for the cables breaking inside the sheath forming a one way ratchet, this could obviously be fatal. Being a boating person all my life, I have only ever seen this happen on cables that have been exposed to the sun for long enough to cause it to crack and let seawater (salt) into the cable causing corrosion. I don`t see any problems with it being well lubricated before installation and hidden from the sun inside the wings. Thanks guys Dene Collett South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 17:28:50 -0800 To: From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Aluminum Fuel Tanks Message-ID: <000701c0b726$732ad100$c745a6d1@oemcomputer> Fellow builders, I got a call from the metal works that is building my fuel tanks to come take a look at the basic dimensions they cut and bent today. They are beautiful! For those of you trying to decide what kind of tanks to put into your plane, I highly recommend going the aluminum route. The tanks I had made are for the outer wings and measure 12.5 x 6.0 at the inner bulkhead, and 7 x 4.0 at the outer bulkhead. Total distance outboard is 54 inches, with two internal baffles. These numbers are off the top of my head, as the welder has the diagrams I made, but this yields a 12.5 gallon tank in each wing. Material thickness is .050, 5052 metal. Weight is around five pounds apiece. Internal installations to the tanks include a mechanical sight gauge for fuel quantity and a warning light/indicator for the instrument panel that will give me a light when the level reaches ~4.0 gallons. The mechanical sight gauge will be visible just outboard the wing joint through a plexiglass port. I realize this is only the most basic information. Cost will be a small amount over the materials, as the gent who is building these for me is retired and about two hundred years old. He runs his forge just to keep busy (and hit on the wives of those who are foolish enough to bring them to his shop... I say this in some jest). I will provide diagrams, parts lists, and cost data when I have all of it together. Good building! Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:00:47 -0700 To: "Dave and Tina Goodman" , From: "William J. Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks Message-ID: <000e01c0b73b$ac36cd40$290b2aa2@starrs> I also went to Aluminum. I took the fiberglass tank that I could not keep from leaking to a very experienced craftsman and he used it as a mold to form a 17 gal. header tank for my KR 1. The wt. and Bal. is fine both empty and full. The cost 7 years ago was $345.00 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:28 PM Subject: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks > Fellow builders, > > I got a call from the metal works that is building my fuel tanks to come > take a look at the basic dimensions they cut and bent today. They are > beautiful! For those of you trying to decide what kind of tanks to put into > your plane, I highly recommend going the aluminum route. > > The tanks I had made are for the outer wings and measure 12.5 x 6.0 at the > inner bulkhead, and 7 x 4.0 at the outer bulkhead. Total distance outboard > is 54 inches, with two internal baffles. These numbers are off the top of > my head, as the welder has the diagrams I made, but this yields a 12.5 > gallon tank in each wing. Material thickness is .050, 5052 metal. Weight > is around five pounds apiece. > > Internal installations to the tanks include a mechanical sight gauge for > fuel quantity and a warning light/indicator for the instrument panel that > will give me a light when the level reaches ~4.0 gallons. The mechanical > sight gauge will be visible just outboard the wing joint through a > plexiglass port. > > I realize this is only the most basic information. Cost will be a small > amount over the materials, as the gent who is building these for me is > retired and about two hundred years old. He runs his forge just to keep > busy (and hit on the wives of those who are foolish enough to bring them to > his shop... I say this in some jest). I will provide diagrams, parts lists, > and cost data when I have all of it together. > > Good building! > > Respectfully, > Dave "Zipper" Goodman > zipperts@whidbey.net > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 07:59:15 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks Message-ID: <000401c0b786$e63e09e0$1ad4b23f@steelcase.com> >Material thickness is .050, 5052 metal. 1) What is the condition of the 5052 - is it T0, T3, ...? 2) Do you have to do anything to either the inside/outside of the tank to protect against oxidation or is it just left as it is? 3) Bingelis' "Sportplane Builder" (yellow book) shows how to lay out a fiberglass panel to create templates for fuel tank. I wonder if the same design can be used with aluminum instead. If so, it would reduce the amount of design work a person would have to do. Thanks. Albert Pecoraro KR-2S (putting on the WAF's) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 11:50:38 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Timothy Brown Subject: H.S. Message-ID: <20010328195038.56730.qmail@web9504.mail.yahoo.com> As a follow-up to my prior question re: "nyrod" as indicated in the manual, I've got another "general consesus" question. What is the "general consensus" as to leaving a small gap in the H.S. (etc) to inspect the bolt heads for the Dr.Dean style hinges. Thanks much. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 13:53:24 -0600 To: "Timothy Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> H.S. Message-ID: <002e01c0b7c0$ccf84380$e6e879a5@computer> Tim, Does RR reccomend something like this? With the hardware used on Tim, Does RR reccomend anything like this? With Dr. Deans rod end bearings I will (me) not worry about it if I can look in the gap and see if the nuts are still there. Might not worry about it the if I can't, because I don't see how they can fail. But I'll be too old to worry about it by the time mine flys. Cheers Ed Ed Blocher Moody, Alabama (soon to be Santa Rosa Beach, Florida) kr-n899eb@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Brown To: Group KR NET Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: KR> H.S. > As a follow-up to my prior question re: "nyrod" as > indicated in the manual, I've got another "general > consesus" question. > > What is the "general consensus" as to leaving a small > gap in the H.S. (etc) to inspect the bolt heads for > the Dr.Dean style hinges. > > Thanks much. > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:37:31 EST To: timwbrown@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: WA7YXF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> H.S. Message-ID: <66.d5bff4f.27f3a58b@aol.com> In a message dated 3/28/01 11:51:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, timwbrown@yahoo.com writes: > > What is the "general consensus" as to leaving a small > gap in the H.S. (etc) to inspect the bolt heads for > the Dr.Dean style hinges. > That's the neat thing about Dr. Dean style hinges. Use a lock nut on the part that doesn't move (the one through the spar) and castle nut and cotter key on the part that does moves (where the two moving parts join) and seal it up. Those things should never wear out. Always check for looseness when you preflight. Just in case. Lynn Hyder WA7YXF N37LH Redmond, Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:26:11 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KRkip@aol.com Subject: test Message-ID: <5f.12ee4e48.27f3bf03@aol.com> Am i the only one that is not getting anything from the KRnet list I am averageing only about one post a day and some days i don't gert anything at all. I get my mail from aol and maybe that could be part of the problem but that is how i have recieved the list for the last 4 years. Any help would be appreciated as i need my daily dose of KR info.. Kip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 17:59:45 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> test Message-ID: <20010329015945.18166.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kip, There hasn't been a lot on the KRnet, but, I'm pretty sure there's been more than one or two a day. I'll start forwarding some to you if you want. We did get our usual 5 or six from Ross Youngblood at the begining of the week, did you get those? I'm only sending this to the net to see if you do get it. Answer if you do. --- KRkip@aol.com wrote: > Am i the only one that is not getting anything from > the KRnet list I am > averageing only about one post a day ... i need my daily dose of KR info.. Kip ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 18:38:59 -0700 To: From: "Gaylon Fuller" Subject: Fw: KR> TGIF FOR SALE Message-ID: <001b01c0b7f1$07af3c60$d5a0a7d8@oemcomputer> > > Hi Net > > The reason I did no put prices is I need trades more than cash :o) But > for you who asked, here you go. All offers will be considered. If you don't like the price, make me an offer!! > > > > > 1. 1 set of KR 2 rudder pedals $16 > > > 2. 2 slick Mag harnesses $25 each > > > 3. 1 slick 4001 RH with impulse coupler $30 > > > 4. Set of 4 aircraft plugs in sealed plastic (never opened) $40 > > > 5. 1 full set of RR brand new Wing Attach Fittings $197.50 > > > 6. 1 full set of RR retracts (undrilled) with wheels, tires, and brakes > $100 > > > (Azusa) > > > 7. 1 full RR tail wheel $16 > > > 8. Mag drive pulleys and belt (per plans) $10 > > > 9. Original per plans engine mount with mag plate $20 > > > 10. 1 set of BF wheels and hyd brakes from an Ercoupe $150 > > > 11. 1 set of RR wing tips $78 > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Gaylon Fuller (AKA the Horse Trader) > > > President EAA 833 > > > Carlsbad NM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:33:15 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Sun-N-Fun Message-ID: <18516-3AC2BB0B-78@storefull-225.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Hi netters. Just a quick so long for a few weeks. Getting ready to pack up & head up to Lakeland Fl. to help host the annual fly in. Can't find a phone cord long enough to stay connected so I'll un-subscribe til we return. If any of you need anything while at the show(a car, a ride, a phone to call home or help to repair anything on or about your plane),feel to call on me. I normally work at the camper registration way out on the N.W. corner of the airport, but during the show I do double duty at the Emergency A/C Assistance trailer (afternoons usually). My cell # is 941-821-4396. Please stop by Rand's booth & say Hi to Jeanette and get your ticket for the KR dinner to be held on Tue night (right Virg?) Also, the KR forum is slated for Tue AM at 9am the last time I checked. Safe travels to all. John Sickafoose Naples Fl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:24:42 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: Fwd: lick by the posa Message-ID: <9b.12e18c2b.27f4211a@cs.com> --part1_9b.12e18c2b.27f4211a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_9b.12e18c2b.27f4211a_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Full-name: Flymaca711689 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 00:23:49 EST Subject: lick by the posa To: VW@lists.kz MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: CompuServe 2000 32-bit sub 113 I give up my ass and aircraft mean to much to me just cant get it right. It sounds like IM not alone. OK the posa is set up side draft using 1/1/2 hose style type coupler looks to me to just make aflange weld to the old manifold and mount the new 1821 zenith. What did you guys do help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we are working with a kr2 1834 52x46 thanks Mac --part1_9b.12e18c2b.27f4211a_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2001 23:29:08 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: SnF stopover... Message-ID: <20010329072908.11240.qmail@web13907.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Netheads... Can't make SnF this year, actually am leaving TN around the 11th of April to go pick up a KR 1 project in MA...BUT... If you are heading to SnF early and need a place to stop over, I can provide a ride and a place to stay for a maximum of two folks (obviously, all KR folks qualify). I am located near TN/GA border, the field is Jasper TN, I could provide coordinates but I think you can figure it out. Just think Chattanooga. Please reply offline if interested. First come, first served. Would love to accommodate all but just no can do. As an added bonus, Momma cooks a mean breakfast and I ain't so bad in the kitchen myself. Chuck --- "William J. Starrs" wrote: > I also went to Aluminum. I took the fiberglass tank > that I could not keep > from leaking to a very experienced craftsman and he > used it as a mold to > form a 17 gal. header tank for my KR 1. The wt. and > Bal. is fine both empty > and full. The cost 7 years ago was $345.00 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 6:28 PM > Subject: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks > > > > Fellow builders, > > > > I got a call from the metal works that is building > my fuel tanks to come > > take a look at the basic dimensions they cut and > bent today. They are > > beautiful! For those of you trying to decide what > kind of tanks to put > into > > your plane, I highly recommend going the aluminum > route. > > > > The tanks I had made are for the outer wings and > measure 12.5 x 6.0 at the > > inner bulkhead, and 7 x 4.0 at the outer bulkhead. > Total distance > outboard > > is 54 inches, with two internal baffles. These > numbers are off the top of > > my head, as the welder has the diagrams I made, > but this yields a 12.5 > > gallon tank in each wing. Material thickness is > .050, 5052 metal. > Weight > > is around five pounds apiece. > > > > Internal installations to the tanks include a > mechanical sight gauge for > > fuel quantity and a warning light/indicator for > the instrument panel that > > will give me a light when the level reaches ~4.0 > gallons. The mechanical > > sight gauge will be visible just outboard the wing > joint through a > > plexiglass port. > > > > I realize this is only the most basic information. > Cost will be a small > > amount over the materials, as the gent who is > building these for me is > > retired and about two hundred years old. He runs > his forge just to keep > > busy (and hit on the wives of those who are > foolish enough to bring them > to > > his shop... I say this in some jest). I will > provide diagrams, parts > lists, > > and cost data when I have all of it together. > > > > Good building! > > > > Respectfully, > > Dave "Zipper" Goodman > > zipperts@whidbey.net > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:14:01 -0600 To: From: "FIDNET" Subject: KR gathering Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0B817.72D51660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When is the KR gathering in AR? Need to plan vacation time in the office. D. DuRossette N21KC@MO1 Ft. Lost in the Woods, Ozarks ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C0B817.72D51660-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:43:47 -0700 To: "FIDNET" , From: "Rick Hubka" Subject: Re: KR> KR gathering Message-ID: <004701c0b856$485fa5a0$a280be95@cg.shawcable.net> One place for some info on this years KR Gathering is here: http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/ The info is about a foot down the page just past the KR builders links. Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "FIDNET" To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 5:14 AM Subject: KR> KR gathering > When is the KR gathering in AR? Need to plan vacation time in the office. > > D. DuRossette > N21KC@MO1 > Ft. Lost in the Woods, Ozarks > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 22:07:48 +1000 To: "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Rudder cable slots Message-ID: <000001c0b84d$bf924280$f17e3acb@JohnMartindale> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B89C.B0F79B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks As a final job prior to departing for the paint shop I decided to = install my rudder and tail wheel cables. Because the rudder pivot axis = (if built to the plans ie., at a 97 degree angle to the top longerons) = is not a right angles to the cable direction, the cable rises up and = down in the vertical plane as it travels. Further, because the rudder = horn length is only 3" on each side (again according to plans), the = cable moves in and out in the horizontal plane as the horn moves through = 60 degrees of arc. The result of the combined movements is a slot in the fuselage that is = 3/8" wide and nearly 5 " long if placed where the plans say (about 19" = forward of the stern post). Any less and the cable rubs on the fuselage = ply wall at some point in its travel....(It would eventually wear a slot = of the above dimensions anyway and become slacker as it did). I presume others have encountered the above and any suggestions as to = its amelioration would be appreciated. I already have the cable running = over 1 1/2" pulleys to align better with the slots and have used 1/4" = Nyloseal tubing as a cable conduit around the seat area. What size slot are people finishing up with? Joining the tailwheel per = the plans will excerbate the problem because of its cable being = tensioned off line to the main rudder cable. I reckon RR could come up = with something better here. Paint, weight and balance, and Corvair engine mount coming up next...I'm = reading your every move Mark (regards). See Ya John.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0B89C.B0F79B40-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************