From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 31 Mar 2001 13:59:38 -0000 Issue 200 Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 5:59 AM krnet Digest 31 Mar 2001 13:59:38 -0000 Issue 200 Topics (messages 4838 through 4862): Re: Aluminum Fuel Tanks 4838 by: Greg S Martin 4839 by: Jerry Mahurin 4841 by: John P Moyle Re: Rudder cable slots 4840 by: Carson Cassidy 4845 by: John and Janet Martindale Re: test 4842 by: Robert Stone Starting engine for the first time 4843 by: Gognij.aol.com 4849 by: Ralph H Snyder 4857 by: garbez KR2 for sale 4844 by: BJBDMB.aol.com First engine start 4846 by: IMA FLYER 4852 by: Schmidt, Curtis N998MG update 4847 by: garbez 4853 by: Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff 4856 by: garbez vw poster child kr2 4848 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com 4850 by: Timothy Bellville Mooney vs KR 4851 by: Ross R. Youngblood PROPS 4854 by: pjvisc.netzero.net 4855 by: KRkip.aol.com Re: turtle decks/ strobe lights. 4858 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Fire wall material and Props 4859 by: POND CARTER 4860 by: Albert Pecoraro spruce 4861 by: lone wolf 4862 by: David Mullins Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:33:53 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Greg S Martin Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks Message-ID: <20010329.063354.-212277.1.idrawtobuild@juno.com> On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:00:47 -0700 "William J. Starrs" writes: > I also went to Aluminum. I took the fiberglass tank that I could > not keep > from leaking to a very experienced craftsman and he used it as a > mold to > form a 17 gal. header tank for my KR 1. The wt. and Bal. is fine > both empty > and full. The cost 7 years ago was $345.00 I'm just thinking out loud. I would suggest an aluminum grounding lead from the tank to the wheel and brake assembly for grounding while fueling. Just a thought while the aluminum tanks are on the net. Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com 20909 South Street, Suite #3 Tehachapi, California 93561 work 661-823-9401, fax 823-9381 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:51:48 To: idrawtobuild@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks Message-ID: Why that.....?? The wheels aren't grounded; rubber tires you know.. Jerry Lugoff, SC >From: Greg S Martin >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:33:53 -0800 > > >On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:00:47 -0700 "William J. Starrs" > writes: > > I also went to Aluminum. I took the fiberglass tank that I could > > not keep > > from leaking to a very experienced craftsman and he used it as a > > mold to > > form a 17 gal. header tank for my KR 1. The wt. and Bal. is fine > > both empty > > and full. The cost 7 years ago was $345.00 > >I'm just thinking out loud. > > I would suggest an aluminum grounding lead from the tank to the wheel >and brake assembly for grounding while fueling. > >Just a thought while the aluminum tanks are on the net. > >Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com >20909 South Street, Suite #3 >Tehachapi, California 93561 >work 661-823-9401, fax 823-9381 >home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:11:31 -0800 To: myrddin@usa.net From: John P Moyle Cc: idrawtobuild@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks Message-ID: <20010329.081134.-223273.0.jmoyle1@juno.com> Jerry, I'm sure Greg was offering his suggestion as to provide a convenient spot to clamp the static discharge line from the fueling source ( ramp truck or stationary pump ) !! Beats the heck out of having to root around under you front deck cover for a place to attach it. Thoughtful comment Greg, thanks. John Moyle On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 14:51:48 "Jerry Mahurin" writes: > > Why that.....?? The wheels aren't grounded; rubber tires you > know.. > > Jerry > Lugoff, SC > > >From: Greg S Martin > >To: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: Re: KR> Aluminum Fuel Tanks > >Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 06:33:53 -0800 > > > > > >On Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:00:47 -0700 "William J. Starrs" > > writes: > > > I also went to Aluminum. I took the fiberglass tank that I > could > > > not keep > > > from leaking to a very experienced craftsman and he used it as > a > > > mold to > > > form a 17 gal. header tank for my KR 1. The wt. and Bal. is > fine > > > both empty > > > and full. The cost 7 years ago was $345.00 > > > >I'm just thinking out loud. > > > > I would suggest an aluminum grounding lead from the tank to the > wheel > >and brake assembly for grounding while fueling. > > > >Just a thought while the aluminum tanks are on the net. > > > >Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com > >20909 South Street, Suite #3 > >Tehachapi, California 93561 > >work 661-823-9401, fax 823-9381 > >home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 > >________________________________________________________________ > >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 08:36:39 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: Carson Cassidy Subject: Re: KR> Rudder cable slots Message-ID: <3AC35687.3A7D223F@home.com> Hi I had the same problem. I decided that Ken Rand knew what he was doing and didn't do anything about the angle of the rudder. What I did do is epoxy 8 inch pieces of nylon tubing into the fuselage where the cable exits, half inside half out, to act a a cable guide. The slot was about 5 inchs long when all was said and done but it's full of epoxy and tubing. I did the same thing in the cockpit. It seems to work very well, of course I'm not flying yet so who knows. Carson Cassidy Calgary, Alberta John and Janet Martindale wrote: > > Hi folks > > As a final job prior to departing for the paint shop I decided to install my rudder and tail wheel cables. Because the rudder pivot axis (if built to the plans ie., at a 97 degree angle to the top longerons) is not a right angles to the cable direction, the cable rises up and down in the vertical plane as it travels. Further, because the rudder horn length is only 3" on each side (again according to plans), the cable moves in and out in the horizontal plane as the horn moves through 60 degrees of arc. > > The result of the combined movements is a slot in the fuselage that is 3/8" wide and nearly 5 " long if placed where the plans say (about 19" forward of the stern post). Any less and the cable rubs on the fuselage ply wall at some point in its travel....(It would eventually wear a slot of the above dimensions anyway and become slacker as it did). > > I presume others have encountered the above and any suggestions as to its amelioration would be appreciated. I already have the cable running over 1 1/2" pulleys to align better with the slots and have used 1/4" Nyloseal tubing as a cable conduit around the seat area. > > What size slot are people finishing up with? Joining the tailwheel per the plans will excerbate the problem because of its cable being tensioned off line to the main rudder cable. I reckon RR could come up with something better here. > > Paint, weight and balance, and Corvair engine mount coming up next...I'm reading your every move Mark (regards). > > See Ya John. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 08:23:48 +1000 To: "Carson Cassidy" , From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Re: KR> Rudder cable slots Message-ID: <003301c0b89f$d57fb080$fd7e3acb@JohnMartindale> Thanks Carson. I'm debating the same thing. When in doubt follow the plans!! It would mean either a slight S bend in the cable or movement in the ends of the tube (if not epoxied solid) as the cable moves. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carson Cassidy To: Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 1:36 AM Subject: Re: KR> Rudder cable slots > Hi > > I had the same problem. I decided that Ken Rand knew what he was doing > ....(snip). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 10:53:31 -0600 To: , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> test Message-ID: <003001c0b870$c9e5c360$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Kip: I average 20 (minimum) messages from the KRNet each and every day. If you are receiving less that this maybe you should consider changing ISP's. The information provided by member/builders is so valuable to anyone who is building one of these aircraft, you can not afford to miss out on any of it. Bob Stone rlspjs@dashlink.com Harker Heights, Texas ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2001 4:26 PM Subject: KR> test > Am i the only one that is not getting anything from the KRnet list I am > averageing only about one post a day and some days i don't gert anything at > all. I get my mail from aol and maybe that could be part of the problem but > that is how i have recieved the list for the last 4 years. Any help would be > appreciated as i need my daily dose of KR info.. Kip > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:45:11 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Starting engine for the first time Message-ID: <9.13123aab.27f4cea7@aol.com> --part1_9.13123aab.27f4cea7_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Folks, I want to start my engine for the first time. However at this time I do not have a prop for my airplane. I do have the Super Case from Great Plains Aircraft Supply with their starter flywheel installed at this time. My question is! Can I start my engine with just this flywheel on the engine for the initial break in procedures? Or do I need to install a prop on the engine first? I know the Bug didn't have a prop on it. But the flywheel was much heavier than it is now. I am still in need of a 52*42 or 44 prop for my 1776cc engine if anybody has one they can sell.........Jim Gogniat --part1_9.13123aab.27f4cea7_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:32:52 -0800 To: Gognij@aol.com From: Ralph H Snyder Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Starting engine for the first time Message-ID: <20010330.013550.-3841425.2.ralphndori@juno.com> Jim I machined out the center of a standard VW flywheel to fit on the prop hub, then drilled the mounting holes and it worked fine to replace the propeller for testing. I have 1 1/5 hours on my engine now. The only problem is you have no cooling so you can't run it too long at a time. Just watch your cylinder head temperature. Ralph Snyder On Thu, 29 Mar 2001 12:45:11 EST Gognij@aol.com writes: > Hello Folks, > > I want to start my engine for the first time. However at > this time I > do not have a prop for my airplane. I do have the Super Case from > Great > Plains Aircraft Supply with their starter flywheel installed at this > time. My > question is! Can I start my engine with just this flywheel on the > engine for > the initial break in procedures? Or do I need to install a prop on > the engine > first? I know the Bug didn't have a prop on it. But the flywheel was > much > heavier than it is now. I am still in need of a 52*42 or 44 prop for > my > 1776cc engine if anybody has one they can sell.........Jim Gogniat > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:24:27 -0800 To: , From: "Mike Garbez" Subject: Re: KR> Starting engine for the first time Message-ID: <001101c0b989$b6974940$9e0d20cf@msgtlg.netins.net> Jim, Putting a 2x4, 2x6, club, etc. on the engine to test run, DON'T DO THAT!!! Your engine will run well over 5000 RPM with out a prop and a piece of wood will come apart if not designed for the RPMs and can kill someone. Wait until you get your prop, I did the entire engine installation before running up the engine plus the engine will get very hot in a matter of seconds and destroy it if the prop is not forcing air back to cool it. You're most likely still building your airplane so there is really no hurry, just wait until your engine is mounted to your firewall and eveything is together and the way you like it and your prop is on before you try. Mike Garbez N998MG msgtlg@netins.net Griswold, IA -----Original Message----- >Hello Folks, > > I want to start my engine for the first time. However at this time I >do not have a prop for my airplane. I do have the Super Case from Great >Plains Aircraft Supply with their starter flywheel installed at this time. My >question is! Can I start my engine with just this flywheel on the engine for >the initial break in procedures? Or do I need to install a prop on the engine >first? I know the Bug didn't have a prop on it. But the flywheel was much >heavier than it is now. I am still in need of a 52*42 or 44 prop for my >1776cc engine if anybody has one they can sell.........Jim Gogniat > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:31:56 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: BJBDMB@aol.com Subject: KR2 for sale Message-ID: Hi to all of you KR2r's!!! I am giving the KR2 members a last chance to purchase a nice looking KR2 before I place an ad in the Trader magazine for planes. Here is a list of items about the plane. If you want me to e-mail pictures, I can provide them. Thanks, Bobbi -- Registration #: N 992LC WEIGHT (lbs) -- Serial #: LEB102649 Lft main 289 -- Rand Robinson KR2 Rgt main 288 -- Max speed: 200 mph Tail wheel 27 -- VW 2180cc, type 1 engine Empty wgt: 604 -- 65 H.P. -- retractable landing gear -- 106 miles on engine ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:41:54 -0500 To: Gognij@aol.com From: Eckmstr@netscape.net ( IMA FLYER) Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: First engine start Message-ID: <77ED797B.006CA549.00167451@netscape.net> Do any of you builders have any experience with using a dummy prop "Club" made from a 2X6? I've seen it several times before and it looked like it put a fair load on the engine. Just a thought? Any opinions out there? Jim Remember!!! That turning engine/prop has a LOT of ponies humming in it and it is a LETHAL KILLER if you get it the way. It doesn't care who you are or how careful you've been in the past. It doesn't care if your a rocket scientist or a company president. It doesn't care about anything because it can't. So remember! It is a Lethal Killer (just as the real prop is) and stay out of the way. So whatever you do, as always... BE SAFE and watch yur 6. Some of you are saying "Duh...No kidding" But it's happened to others and it can happen to ANYONE. Jon Minneapolis, MN __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 30 Mar 2001 08:00:00 -0700 To: "Eckmstr@netscape.net" , "Gognij@aol.com" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Cc: "krnet@mailinglists.org" Subject: RE: KR> First engine start Message-ID: <00070990@kaydon.com> There is a fellow here in Larned Kansas that started to build a KR1 back in= the 70's. He got started building the boat (or canoe since it was a KR1) t= hen took a break to build the engine. Just like the rest of us, he was want= ing to see his new creation do its thing so he mounted it to what he though= t was a stable platform. After mounting a "club" to his engine he began the starting process. A few = flips of the club got it running and gave him some time to get a few things= adjusted. Filled with delight he called a few of his friends to come see t= his creation do its thing. When everyone had arrived he went through the st= arting process only to have the engine AND the so called "stable platform" = move suddenly and took one hand off at the wrist and all the fingers and pa= rt of the thumb off of the other! That put an abrupt end to building his own airplane along with ever flying = again! Guys/gals, please be careful, this sort of thing CAN be avoided if y= ou just stop and think! Curtis Schmidt -----Original Message----- From: Eckmstr@netscape.net [mailto:Eckmstr@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 6:42 PM To: Gognij@aol.com Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> First engine start Do any of you builders have any experience with using a dummy prop "Club" m= ade from a 2X6? I've seen it several times before and it looked like it put= a fair load on the engine. Just a thought? Any opinions out there? Jim Remember!!! That turning engine/prop has a LOT of ponies humming in it = and it is a LETHAL KILLER if you get it the way. It doesn't care who you ar= e or how careful you've been in the past. It doesn't care if your a rocket = scientist or a company president. It doesn't care about anything because it= can't. So remember! It is a Lethal Killer (just as the real prop is) and s= tay out of the way. So whatever you do, as always... BE SAFE and watch yur 6. Some of you are saying "Duh...No kidding" But it's happened to others and i= t can happen to ANYONE. Jon Minneapolis, MN __________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at http://webmai= l.netscape.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 18:23:06 -0600 To: "KR-POST" From: "garbez" Subject: N998MG update Message-ID: <000201c0b8af$c82f3b20$4c8dfea9@msgtlg.netins.net> There's finally an engine back in my KR2. After all the trouble with William Wynne (still don't know what that mans problem is), but that's O.K. now. Steve Bennett has been by my side the entire time with the Type Four Rear Drive and now its ready to go back to the airport. In the shop it runs 3200 static and soooooooooo smooth. I can't wait to get her back in the air. The power difference between the 1835 and the 2600 should be incredible. To see pictures of my plane you can go to www.greatplainsas.com scroll to the bottom of the page and click on Mike Garbez's Rear Drive Type 4 KR for more pictures. It has been great working with Steve and Linda at Great Plains, the difference in service and knowledge above our previous experience is incomparable! Excited beyond belief Mike Garbez N998MG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:46:23 -0800 To: "garbez" , "KR-POST" From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update Message-ID: <002e01c0b928$325908a0$1dde243f@cmidkiff> Mike, I checked out the pictures and you did a beautiful job on that engine installation and it will be a show winner. As this is the way I have chosen to go maybe you could give me an idea of how this installation effected your weight and balance, how much did you have to add to the cowling to get it to fit and how your nose gear attaches to the new engine mount ? Could you have used your old prop for initial testing ? Congratulations! Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: cmidkiff@gte.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "garbez" To: "KR-POST" Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 4:23 PM Subject: KR> N998MG update > There's finally an engine back in my KR2. After all the trouble with > William Wynne (still don't know what that mans problem is), but that's O.K. > now. Steve Bennett has been by my side the entire time with the Type Four > Rear Drive and now its ready to go back to the airport. In the shop it runs > 3200 static and soooooooooo smooth. I can't wait to get her back in the > air. The power difference between the 1835 and the 2600 should be > incredible. To see pictures of my plane you can go to www.greatplainsas.com > scroll to the bottom of the page and click on Mike Garbez's Rear Drive Type > 4 KR for more pictures. It has been great working with Steve and Linda at > Great Plains, the difference in service and knowledge above our previous > experience is incomparable! > > Excited beyond belief > Mike Garbez N998MG > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 18:14:08 -0800 To: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" , "KR-POST" From: "Mike Garbez" Subject: Re: KR> N998MG update Message-ID: <000a01c0b988$5a73c040$9e0d20cf@msgtlg.netins.net> Charles, I have not done my weight and balance yet, but the balance should be very close to what I had with the 1835, I had to space the 1835 2 1/2 forward to get it right before and now the engine weight is close to the firewall and I' moving the battery to the tail (it weighs 17 lbs.) so I will use the battery to adjust the weight and balance. I'm picking up the scales from my local EAA chapter Saturday and will let you know how that turns out. I added 5" to the stock RR cowling, it is 31.5" now. The nose gear, I removed the 2 arms on the bracket and after making the mount on a kr2 firewall template I bolted the nose gear bracket to the firewall and ran 2 new arms about mid-way to the mount on the bottom and welded them in place. That gave me a very strong mount. The prop for the 1835 goes the wrong way. I had ordered the new prop before engine assembly started and it was here when I was ready for it. Mike Garbez N998MG msgtlg@netins.net Griswold IA -----Original Message----- >Mike, >I checked out the pictures and you did a beautiful job on that engine >installation and it will be a show winner. As this is the way I have >chosen to go maybe you could give me an idea of how this installation >effected your weight and balance, how much did you have to add to the >cowling to get it to fit and how your nose gear attaches to the new engine >mount ? Could you have used your old prop for initial testing ? >Congratulations! >Bud Midkiff >Lynnwood, WA >email: cmidkiff@gte.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 21:20:57 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: vw poster child kr2 Message-ID: <94.1234a30f.27f54789@cs.com> This might be the finest vw kr2 out there 90hp fuel inj nice. Go to great planes photo album Mike garbez. asite on this aircraft be nice. no more posa my new zenith is on its way my aircraft quit in ground efect.300 dollars ends the misery. mac bb sport aviation ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 05:42:32 -0500 To: , From: "Timothy Bellville" Subject: Re: KR> vw poster child kr2 Message-ID: <001f01c0b906$23d248e0$0c5f570c@default> $300.00 Ouch! Zeniths don't cost that much, I know a supplier that sells them for half that much. Tim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: KR> vw poster child kr2 > > This might be the finest vw kr2 out there 90hp fuel inj nice. > Go to great planes photo album Mike garbez. asite on this aircraft be > nice. > no more posa my new zenith is on its way my aircraft quit in ground > efect.300 dollars ends the misery. > > > > mac bb sport aviation > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:55:46 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: Mooney vs KR Message-ID: <3AC49062.A9A51A8B@home.com> Hi 'netters. I had an interesting dual yesterday evening in a Mooney (my first), and my instructor kept saying. "You sure you've never flown a retract before?" He was skeptical at first, but my speed control on final was what saved me, and after three touch and goes he thought I would have no problems getting signed off after the 10 hour insurance minimum. The problem with the low wing Mooney, it seems is that it is so slick, that it doesn't want to slow down very well, so you need to be real careful on approaches not to come in too fast. This seems a lot like the KR. Also the Mooney controls surfaces (flaps ailerons etc) have NO slop in them. Come up to a Cessna or Piper and wiggle the flaps you get some play probably 1/4" or more in the extended position. There was NO control play in the Mooney surfaces. Climbing in the Mooney was like climbing into an MGB, but you are probably a foot higher off the gound than the KR, also I have a retract tailwheel, and the Mooney is a tri-gear. I noticed that turns climbs and descents were much more responsive than the Pipers or Cessnas I had flown before. I'm thinking, hey, I bet this Mooney is flying a lot like my KR will. When my instructor asked me if I had ever flown retracts, I told him that I sat in my KR and pretended a lot. He said I must have a good imagination. I realize that most folks can't run out and get an hour or two of Mooney time, most FBO's don't rent this kind of cool stuff. You will need to find some type of flying club, or an EAA member who has one who wants to convince you how well they fly. I'ts a long story of how I ended up in this Mooney, but with the Archer out for a new engine, it is the cheapest way for be to build complex time, as all the other aircraft in my flying club are complex. For me this club thing will work out great, I fly the KR when I want to go someplace, then rent a club aircraft if I want to carry passengers and luggage. Thats the plan anyway. At the moment I am looking around town for a cable clamp for my carb heat. Seems that good ole' hardware stores have been replaced by Home Depot, and this is one item that they don't carry. -- Ross ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 15:02:18 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: pjvisc@netzero.net Subject: PROPS Message-ID: <3AC4E649.F55EB5A@netzero.net> --------------4DF4D3AB161BDAC274247312 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since we're having a "slush storm" at the present time, I thought I'd send out an inquiry to keep myself busy. Has anyone heard or know of a company called CROWLEY, INC. ? It made Experimental propellers and was located at B-170 Mojave Airport; Mojave CA. When I bought my Revmaster, from a guy in AZ, a few years ago, it had a 56/46 prop. (It came with his Q2.) I haven't used it, yet. Curious about reliability. Phil Visconti Marlboro, MA --------------4DF4D3AB161BDAC274247312-- Shop online without a credit card http://www.rocketcash.com RocketCash, a NetZero subsidiary ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 17:00:40 EST To: pjvisc@netzero.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: KRkip@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> PROPS Message-ID: test ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 22:03:07 EST To: joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Fw: turtle decks/ strobe lights. Message-ID: <9.132b0590.27f6a2eb@cs.com> In a message dated 3/24/01 9:31:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com writes: << While I'm at it here has anyone in the group ever thought of using the strobe lights from a building fire alarm system for their wing tips. >> You will not be legal for nite flight. The strobes have to meet a light output level set by the FAA. If you need the info, I will look it up and post it here. But, you can install them for the heck of it. If you do install them, be sure to do it to FAA specs. If not, the inspector has the right to NOT sign off your airplane. Or put a limitation on it to insure it's not flown at nite. Best thing is to only install approved lights. Don't give anyone any reason to limit your flying. As an A/P, I had to answer a bunch of questions as to why and how the last time I recertified my "2"( went from 1834 to 2180). Example: Seat belts are from a GM auto. I had to prove that they are tested to twice the load of aircraft belts. My final statement to the inspector was, "I'll be dead long before these belts break." He gave me one of those looks. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:04:36 -0800 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: Fire wall material and Props Message-ID: <3AC58F94.DE8CC29@home.com> Canadian specific: Do you have to have fiber Frax or somthing similar between .030 steel fire wall and wooden a/c? I realize Tonys books suggest it but I am having a hard time finding it. I just received my Warp Drive Prop. UPS still manged to rob me of $200. Canadian for brokering. I thought there was no duty on A/C supplies? This prop is for my Taylor Mono Plane. I also recieved the Warnke Air Products info that I asked for a month ago. She makes some great looking props but wow what a price. I may yet order one for my KR2-S Carter and Darren Pond ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 00:06:29 -0500 To: "kr2s group" From: "Albert Pecoraro" Subject: Re: KR> Fire wall material and Props Message-ID: <002b01c0b9a0$59ddfc00$83d1b23f@steelcase.com> Carter/Darren, > Canadian specific: Do you have to have fiber Frax or somthing similar between .030 steel fire wall and wooden a/c? I realize Tonys books suggest it but I am having a hard time finding it.< Fiberfrax and adhesive can be found at: http://www.wicksaircraft.com/showPage.phtml?pagenum=092 Albert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2001 21:55:10 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: lone wolf Subject: spruce Message-ID: <20010331055510.8705.qmail@web1803.mail.yahoo.com> hi my name is rob and ive had my plans for over a year now and it looks like ill be starting to build my kr2s. im looking for wood suppliers and will look at suggestions for stitka substitutes. i live in western ny and any input would be appreciated. ty rob :o) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 09:00:28 -0500 To: lone wolf From: David Mullins CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> spruce Message-ID: <3AC5E2FC.53296413@ici.net> Rob, Please check out Jean Peters at Western Aircraft Supplies, 623 Markersville Road N.E., Calgary, Alberta, Canada. T2E 5X1 Business phone: 250-1955 Residence: 276-3087 His Sitka Spruce has great quality and a good price. My spruce kit ran about $900, but, that was with a lot of size and quantity changes. It was shipped by Northwest Airline Cargo from Calgary to Boston for $85. The spruce was in two sonotubes. I know Jean is planning to retire very soon so don't wait too long. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com lone wolf wrote: > > hi > my name is rob and ive had my plans for > over a year now and it looks like ill be > starting to build my kr2s. im looking for > wood suppliers and will look at suggestions > for stitka substitutes. i live in western > ny and any input would be appreciated. > ty rob :o) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/?.refer=text > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************