From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Apr 2001 03:10:37 -0000 Issue 208 Date: Monday, April 16, 2001 8:10 PM krnet Digest 17 Apr 2001 03:10:37 -0000 Issue 208 Topics (messages 4982 through 5000): SUN & FUN 2001 4982 by: Frank Ross Seats 4983 by: JEHayward.aol.com 4984 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Belly cargo pod 4985 by: POND CARTER Gussets 4986 by: paul e spicer 4988 by: Greg S Martin Re: Weight 4987 by: John and Janet Martindale Re: corvaircraft: Re: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? 4989 by: Horn2004.aol.com 4992 by: Robert Stone 4993 by: Michael Parker 4995 by: Payne, Scott Canton TX mini-gathering... 4990 by: CS 4991 by: CS T-88, how much? 4994 by: Steven Eberhart Cherry url, was KR> T-88, how much? 4996 by: Steven Eberhart Re: Removable decks 4997 by: Joseph H. Horton Re: WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? 4998 by: Brian J Bland everyone gone 4999 by: Berry Rennie 5000 by: Cary Honeywell Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 06:17:31 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: SUN & FUN 2001 Message-ID: <20010415131731.27703.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Just got back from Sun-n-Fun. Got to meet many of the KRnetters I hadn't met and had a great time. Probably the reason there has been so little traffic on the net. Also got to meet and talk to Jeanette Rand and Susan Rand. Very nice ladies who were kind enough to take time out of their busy schedules to make me feel right at home. Virg was at the KR booth too and it was almost always full of people from all over the world. The KR dinner was a lot of fun and I wish I had written down all the names and places people were from. Bill Guadlip (hope I didn't misspell your name Bill) didn't make the dinner, but dropped off a nice video of his building experience, including a mishap which set his completion back a few months. He's only flown off 17.5 hr so far, so his plane was still in PA. The fun thing about his video was watching him age 20 years in the 8 that it took to build his plane. I'd like to say thank you to the Great Planes folks for a wonderful barbeque. Linda and Steve and crew made everyone feel right at home. Speaking of good hosts, Dana Overall and Mark Langford and friends were camped out at Dana's plane and I enjoyed a couple of long visits with them. They offered a chair, good conversation, a cold drink and whatever shade was available to anyone who made the hot dusty walk out there. I'm sure you'll hear more from Mark when he gets back. I only saw two KRs there. When I left on Wed afternoon, there was only one. KRKip said the snow was too deep on his (Maine)airport to taxi out, much less fly. So he drove down. He told me this as we both stood dripping sweat in the hanger at the KR booth. It was a long way to drive to see only two KRs. I made up for that by getting to talk (and listen) to a LOT of great people who have been building KRs, flying KRs or are related to people who build, fly or dream about KRs. Hope to see you all at the Gathering and at "KRs Over Texas", Canton TX, 4-29-01. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:08:25 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: JEHayward@aol.com Subject: Seats Message-ID: <16.b453867.280b3d99@aol.com> Has anyone bought or tried out the seats from Oregon Aero for their KR? If so, how did you like them? Is there some other outfit that makes similar or better seats and how did you like them if you bought theirs instead? Thanks...... Jim Hayward Rapid City, SD ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:51:08 -0400 To: JEHayward@aol.com From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Seats Message-ID: <20010415.175109.-216171.0.klw1953@juno.com> Hi Jim, The only seat I tried before making my own was the RR sling which I didn't care for at all. At 235lbs the next thing my feet would have seen after the sling seat would have been the grass. I had an aluminum shop fashion a rolled seat pan that I installed in such a fashion so as to load the spars with out pulling them together, all the weight sits on top of the spars. They were a little heavier than I would have liked but the security and solid feel was worth it to me. By the way my KR2S tri-gear with a full VFR panel weighs in at 636 lbs. Good Luck--------------------Kenny On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 14:08:25 EDT JEHayward@aol.com writes: > Has anyone bought or tried out the seats from Oregon Aero for > their KR? > If so, how did you like them? Is there some other outfit that makes > similar > or better seats and how did you like them if you bought theirs > instead? > Thanks...... > > Jim Hayward > Rapid City, SD > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 23:10:03 -0700 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: Belly cargo pod Message-ID: <3ADA8CBB.7C2EF984@home.com> Looking for input into the design or possible troubles a belly pod might cause for the KR2-s. I understand the importance of C of G, and gross weight limit but what other things should i consider? Darren and Carter Designing and Building. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:04:20 +1000 To: , "krnet@...." From: "paul e spicer" Subject: Gussets Message-ID: <002d01c0c665$13a74620$4cae868b@paulspicer> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0C6B8.CE2E5940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there Sounds like an excellent w/end was had by all at the "fly-in". A quickie, lest I should re-invent the wheel...........I have finished = the fuse sides and am about to put the bottom and top pieces on the = "boat". How does one secure and clamp the gussets for these members? = The sides were easy since there was the flat bench and the "gusset = clamps could be secured to the bench. It should be obvious but I have a = blank!!!! Most grateful for some advice. My thanks Paul (Spicer) ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C0C6B8.CE2E5940-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 06:56:45 -0700 To: paulspicer@bigpond.com From: Greg S Martin Cc: krnet-help@mailinglists.org, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Gussets Message-ID: <20010416.065646.-293145.0.idrawtobuild@juno.com> On Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:04:20 +1000 "paul e spicer" writes: > Hi there > Sounds like an excellent w/end was had by all at the "fly-in". > A quickie, lest I should re-invent the wheel...........I have > finished the fuse sides and am about to put the bottom and top > pieces on the "boat". How does one secure and clamp the gussets for > these members? The sides were easy since there was the flat bench > and the "gusset clamps could be secured to the bench. It should be > obvious but I have a blank!!!! > Most grateful for some advice. > My thanks > Paul (Spicer) > Paul After having my KR2s boat built. I wish I would have made the station widths the same top & bottom. And not having the banana curve in the boat. That alone makes the construction easier. And the cross members are then easier to cut. No compound curve to fit. And now, if you and any possible passengers are of the larger version. I'd make the boat wider at the shoulders. The actual width you would want to determine for yourself. But I wouldn't go much wider than 4" unless you want to make your HS wider. Happy building and/or flying. Greg Martin, idrawtobuild@juno.com 20909 South Street, Suite #3 Tehachapi, California 93561 work 661-823-9401, fax 823-9381 home 661-872-8781, fax 871-1822 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 21:20:46 +1000 To: "saunders" , "krnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Re: KR> Weight Message-ID: <005301c0c66a$8d98ac80$e27e3acb@JohnMartindale> Hi all Mine were 50 lbs each including a 20 ltr 0.125 aluminimum tank between front and rear spar in the innermost compartment and 1BID glass layer in all the others. Outer skin as per the book. John. ----- Original Message ----- From: saunders To: krnet Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 11:17 AM Subject: KR> Weight I would be interested in knowing what kind of wing weight builders with outboard wing tanks were coming up with. Mine seem heavy at 45#. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:08:33 EDT To: kr-n899eb@mindspring.com, pjvisc@netzero.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Horn2004@aol.com CC: corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: Re: corvaircraft: Re: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? Message-ID: In a message dated 4/15/01 12:14:51 AM, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com writes: <> I've been on the list for about 6 + years now and have noticed a drop off of posts after large flame sessions. The last one here occurred over the airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark Langford. They were two of the best we had and some of the most prolific. They got fed up with the ATTITUDE being displayed by some of the "newer" members and left. And you don't see those members with the ATTITUDE contributing very much, do you. I would be willing to bet that you're not going to see very much in the way of worth while content for a very long time. Too bad. Kinda pisses me off that the closed mind, open mouth crowd does little more than drive off the better participants. So in answer to your question about where has everyone gone, I suspect you'll get your answer at the next gathering when they show up with their finished aircraft and we show up with our questions. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:54:42 -0500 To: , , , From: "Robert Stone" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Re: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? Message-ID: <003201c0c695$f03e10c0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> To all Members: The only way the flame sessions are going to be eliminated is for the guy running the net to serve notice that the only replies that are acceptable are to be constructive and not critical. Then monitor the replies and remove people from the net who will not follow the rules. Some members think that any remarks are OK but the fact is many people who have valuable information have left the net or reply direct to the guy or gal asking the question because they are sick and tired of people most of who have never finished an aircraft of any kind try to shoot them down. As for Dana Overall and Mark Langford, I wish they would both stay on the net and at least answer direct because I know they both have a lot to offer. Bob Stone rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Cc: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:08 AM Subject: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Re: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? > > In a message dated 4/15/01 12:14:51 AM, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com writes: > > <> > > I've been on the list for about 6 + years now and have noticed a drop off of > posts after large flame sessions. The last one here occurred over the > airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark Langford. They were two of > the best we had and some of the most prolific. They got fed up with the > ATTITUDE being displayed by some of the "newer" members and left. And you > don't see those members with the ATTITUDE contributing very much, do you. > > I would be willing to bet that you're not going to see very much in the way > of worth while content for a very long time. Too bad. Kinda pisses me off > that the closed mind, open mouth crowd does little more than drive off the > better participants. > > So in answer to your question about where has everyone gone, I suspect you'll > get your answer at the next gathering when they show up with their finished > aircraft and we show up with our questions. > > Steve Horn > horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:15:08 -0700 From: Michael Parker CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Re: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? Message-ID: <3ADB289B.EAB3EA3D@earthlink.net> Just my two cents (all I have left after filing my taxes). I'm not sure who is responsible for monitoring the newsgroup but I'll bet they are a volunteer. Therefore it would make his/her job easier if we ignore posts that we consider rude, obnoxious, flaming, etc. Just consider it junk mail (it's much easier to put it in the recycle bin than to get the senders to stop sending it). Gotta go back to work. Mike Parker Robert Stone wrote: > To all Members: The only way the flame sessions are going to be eliminated > is for the guy running the net to serve notice that the only replies that > are acceptable are to be constructive and not critical. Then monitor the > replies and remove people from the net who will not follow the rules. Some > members think that any remarks are OK but the fact is many people who have > valuable information have left the net or reply direct to the guy or gal > asking the question because they are sick and tired of people most of who > have never finished an aircraft of any kind try to shoot them down. As for > Dana Overall and Mark Langford, I wish they would both stay on the net and > at least answer direct because I know they both have a lot to offer. > > Bob Stone > rlspjs@dashlink.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: ; ; > > Cc: > Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 9:08 AM > Subject: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Re: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? > > > > > In a message dated 4/15/01 12:14:51 AM, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com writes: > > > > <> > > > > I've been on the list for about 6 + years now and have noticed a drop off > of > > posts after large flame sessions. The last one here occurred over the > > airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark Langford. They were two > of > > the best we had and some of the most prolific. They got fed up with the > > ATTITUDE being displayed by some of the "newer" members and left. And you > > don't see those members with the ATTITUDE contributing very much, do you. > > > > I would be willing to bet that you're not going to see very much in the > way > > of worth while content for a very long time. Too bad. Kinda pisses me off > > that the closed mind, open mouth crowd does little more than drive off the > > better participants. > > > > So in answer to your question about where has everyone gone, I suspect > you'll > > get your answer at the next gathering when they show up with their > finished > > aircraft and we show up with our questions. > > > > Steve Horn > > horn2004@aol.com > > Dallas, TX > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:42:49 -0400 To: "'Horn2004@aol.com'" , kr-n899eb@mindspring.com, pjvisc@netzero.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Payne, Scott" Cc: corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: RE: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Re: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE G ONE ? Message-ID: Who is John Galt? D. Scott Payne, Network Administrator Children's Healtcare of Atlanta 975 Johnson Ferry Rd, Ste 350 Atlanta, GA 30342 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:37:37 -0700 (PDT) To: Horn2004@aol.com, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com, pjvisc@netzero.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Cc: corvaircraft@usm.edu Subject: Canton TX mini-gathering... Message-ID: <20010416143737.49693.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, ---------- > Steve Horn > horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX ---------- Noticed you're from Dallas, I will be passing thru Dallas on 4/27 on my way to Abilene, I'm picking up a KR 2 project there on the 28th. I'm planning to be in Canton on the 29th for the mini-gathering. Do you know who all is planning to be there? This will be my first time seeing a living, breathing KR...assuming any show up. ---------- > posts after large flame sessions. The last one here > occurred over the > airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark > Langford. I don't think Mark has "officially" left KRNet. I think (and this is my thought, I don't KNOW) that #1, he's choosing to spend time on his plane rather than on the net (who can blame him?), and #2, every time he posts he gets 10-15 emails from folks who want to either prove him wrong or get him to design their plane for them. In a similar position, I'd probably keep "periscope down" too. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 07:39:39 -0700 (PDT) To: Horn2004@aol.com, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com, pjvisc@netzero.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Canton TX mini-gathering... Message-ID: <20010416143939.35529.qmail@web13905.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Steve, ---------- > Steve Horn > horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX ---------- Noticed you're from Dallas, I will be passing thru Dallas on 4/27 on my way to Abilene, I'm picking up a KR 2 project there on the 28th. I'm planning to be in Canton on the 29th for the mini-gathering. Do you know who all is planning to be there? This will be my first time seeing a living, breathing KR...assuming any show up. ---------- > posts after large flame sessions. The last one here > occurred over the > airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark > Langford. I don't think Mark has "officially" left KRNet. I think (and this is my thought, I don't KNOW) that #1, he's choosing to spend time on his plane rather than on the net (who can blame him?), and #2, every time he posts he gets 10-15 emails from folks who want to either prove him wrong or get him to design their plane for them. In a similar position, I'd probably keep "periscope down" too. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 12:14:13 -0500 (CDT) To: From: Steven Eberhart Subject: T-88, how much? Message-ID: After hanging around the list for quite some time, I am finally in the build mode. As many of you know I sold my KR plans a while back and bought a set of BX-2 Cherry plans. My Cherry is now under construction. The construction methods are exactly the same as used on the KR and its size is roughly the same. From looking at the fuselage construction you wouldn't know it was a Cherry rather than a KR. Framed the same and skinned with plywood the same. The question is, how much T-88 do I need to order to glue all of the sticks and plywood together? THis has probably been covered in the past but I am limited to the internet access I have at the moment. My firewall server was hacked into this weekend and they downloaded a number of files and compiled several programs. I havn't found out all of the dastardly tasks yet so am treating the firewall server with extream care untill I get it rebuilt. I was able to identify who hacked into it and have been in contact with their ISP. Needless to say they aren't going to be happy campers very soon. Anyone interrested in more information about the CHerry can look at: http://www.xs4all.nl/~nvav/pag/Cherry.htmlttp://www.xs4all.nl/ Yup, that is a fully retractable tri-cycle gear and the wings are removable for easy trailering. THe engine of choice is C-65 to O-200. Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 13:15:24 -0500 (CDT) To: From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Cherry url, was KR> T-88, how much? Message-ID: OK I blew the cut and paste for the Cherry URL. Should have been: http://www.xs4all.nl/~nvav/pag/Cherry.html Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:45:55 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Fw: Removable decks Message-ID: <20010416.184608.-69867.1.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> --------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Joseph H. Horton To: corvaircraft@usm.edu Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 21:00:47 -0400 Subject: Removable decks Message-ID: <20010415.210049.-296321.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> KR Netters: I've been reading about all the people that have made one section or another removable from the fusealage. What I don't understand is how the seam between parts is kept weather tight. I would like to make my forward deck and header tank removable. This makes three places with the potential of water entering the cockpit area. One on each side and the joint along the fire wall. Does anyone have a way of sealing these up? Thanks, Happy Building; Joe Horton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 18:10:42 -0500 To: , From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: RE: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? Message-ID: Nobody has gone anywhere. Most of the people that normally make posts were probably at Sun-N-Fun without us!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Brian J Bland Claremore, OK mailto:bruiser@dellepro.com -----Original Message----- From: pjvisc@netzero.net [mailto:pjvisc@netzero.net] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 5:28 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> WHERE, OH WHERE, HAS EVERYONE GONE ? Haven't received any posts for three days. Having problems like others ??? Phil Visconti NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:34:10 -0400 To: From: "Berry Rennie" Subject: everyone gone Message-ID: <001c01c0c6e6$e34806e0$23535c40@yohan> ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0C6C5.5B116EE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You know it wouldnt supprise me to see a lot of the knowledge guys leave = I have been here for only a month or so and had lots of questions and = for the most part all I got was a bunch of BS from people blah blah this = blah blah that you know Ive decided to sell my plane as is and build = something else I just dont want to be associated with the ATTITUDES of = the people that Ive meet on this site sorry to all that are friendly and = giving of there knowledge.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C0C6C5.5B116EE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 23:10:08 -0400 To: From: "Cary Honeywell" Subject: Re: KR> everyone gone Message-ID: <003f01c0c6eb$e8beb380$2a05a8c0@HOME> Boy! I hope that doesn't happen. I have been on this list for about 5 years. The amount of information I have received here plus all the good vibes I get from the knowledgebase keeps me here despite the occasional digression. Most of my posts go direct and are not posted here unless what I have to say is valuable to others. Those messages that don't interest me go to the bit bucket. Unread. - Cary - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Berry Rennie" To: Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: KR> everyone gone You know it wouldn't supprise me to see a lot of the knowledge guys leave I have been here for only a month or so and had lots of questions and for the most part all I got was a bunch of BS from people blah blah this blah blah that you know Ive decided to sell my plane as is and build something else I just don't want to be associated with the ATTITUDES of the people that Ive meet on this site sorry to all that are friendly and giving of there knowledge. ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************