From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 19 Apr 2001 03:21:09 -0000 Issue 209 Date: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 8:21 PM krnet Digest 19 Apr 2001 03:21:09 -0000 Issue 209 Topics (messages 5001 through 5020): Re: new to KR2 5001 by: Mark Langford Re: corvaircraft: Removable decks 5002 by: Mark Langford T-88, how much? 5003 by: Oscar Zuniga 5005 by: Timothy Brown gussets 5004 by: Oscar Zuniga T-88 5006 by: Bill Gaudlip 5009 by: Steven Eberhart MISTAKE 5007 by: Bill Gaudlip heads up for Linux/Unix users 5008 by: Steven Eberhart Forgive me, I couldn't resist! 5010 by: David Busby RV6 low budget lighting 5011 by: POND CARTER Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) 5012 by: Ross R. Youngblood 5014 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 5015 by: William J. Starrs 5016 by: Mark Jones 5017 by: GARYKR2.cs.com Re: Removable decks 5013 by: Ross R. Youngblood landing gear 5018 by: Hafsteinn Jonasson 5019 by: Mark Jones Kit for sale cheap 5020 by: Christine Coolidge Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 22:13:16 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> new to KR2 Message-ID: <011201c0c6ec$5ab867b0$561cf618@600athlon> Friday, April 06, 2001 5:05 PM Berry Rennie wrote: >>I have just purchased a KR2 that has the boat stage and tail feathers finished for the most part it was built as a taildragger with retractable gear I am wondering if it is possible with out seriouslly risking my life and others lives to modify this to a trigear with out rebuilding the fuselage also I would like to strech the fuselage roughly 12'' to 16'' the reason for this is I would like to be able to put a small seat for my son in the rear to be able to fly all 3 of us around perhaps cross country I am 5'4'' weight 150pds my wife is5'1'' weight under 115pds my son is 2 not much weight there I am looking at using a 13b rotary engine with mods to shed some weight roughly 120 or so horses and I want to run wing tanks any and all help is greatly appreciated also if anyone has and could give me a copy of the 2s upgrade plans that would be appreciated thanks for having this site for help Im sure you all will hear many questions as I take this on once again thank you.<< Don't go just yet. I've got a few helpful comments for you. Dale Baldwin answered: > Berry, > IMHO by time you get done with the mods your > son wont be small any more. My 21 year old > son wasn't even born when I started at the point > you are at but thats another story. The tri gear > might be worthwhile and would be an easy > swap over, but stretching the fuselage at this > point, you might as well start over. I agreed with Dale completely, but he's way more gracious than I would have been. First off, when I see a post that features 9 sentences (might have been twelve, but I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt) and only one period at the very end, and only the word "I" is capitalized, I've gotta wonder if the sender is playing with a full deck, and figure that any reply I have would be wasted on a vacuum between the ears. But maybe I'm just picky, so let's look at content. The CG range of the KR is already "volatile" enough without adding more variables, and we just went through the "tandem KR" thing a week before your post, so obviously you didn't heed the message you got when you subscribed to listen for a while and check the archives before asking questions. I'll be kind and skip the issue of the Mazda engine, but when you ask for somebody to "give me a copy of the 2s upgrade plans that would be appreciated", all credibility takes a flying leap out the window. Who the hell are you to expect that the world somehow owes you something that you're too cheap to pay for? On April 7th, the you asked about tri-gear again, and Austin Clark pointed you directly to the only source, Diehl Aeronautical. Later that day, you asked: >>Ok my plane has the boat stage finished as well as the tail feathers it was all built to the planes. I hear a lot about the new airfoils but not sure what to go with the AS5045, AS5046, AS5048 should I build this new airfoil since mine have not even been started the winglets on the fuselage are already constructed to the raf foil will that be a big problem? also should I rebuild the tail feathers? all input appreciated.<< I didn't reply to that one either, because I figure anybody that is that clueless should not be building new airfoils into their airplane. Sorry, the truth hurts! But Mark Jones is more charitable and answered exactly one hour later, pointing you directly to my website which answers all of those questions. The following morning, Chuck, sensing that we had a real moron on our hands, gently asked that you read the archives and look at web pages, rather than just show up and blurt out questions. I believe his exact words were " I advise you do like me...lay low, keep your mouth shut, your ears open and your head down, and learn what you can from both camps." Maybe his comments were what pissed you off, but I cheered when I read them, because they were right on target. The next day you asked for somebody who had a KR locally, that you could get a ride with or check out the hardware, and Jack Cook responded 39 minutes later with just such a prospect. The day after you asked about aircraft design books, to which Austin Clark responded a few hours later with five excellent options, and Chuck with two more the following morning. And now all you can say is that we've been no help at all. Well, I'm sorry we've let you down. Try the RV list and see how far you get.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 07:02:23 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Cc: "Joseph H. Horton" Subject: Re: corvaircraft: Removable decks Message-ID: <000701c0c736$44f7dd30$ea0ba58c@tbe.com> Joe Horton wrote: > KR Netters: > I've been reading about all the people that have made one section or > another removable from the fusealage. What I don't understand is how the > seam between parts is kept weather tight. I would like to make my forward > deck and header tank removable. This makes three places with the > potential of water entering the cockpit area. One on each side and the > joint along the fire wall. Does anyone have a way of sealing these up? and accidently sent it to the CorvAIRCRAFT list, I suspect. It's actually pretty simple. When you glass your deck, duct tape the upper longeron and plywood side area and extend the fiberglass down over the sides about half an inch. Then after removing the deck, sand it down so that you have a quarter inch overhang. There's no way water can get in there with that overlap. This is also handy at the rear of the canopy, and the same with the cowling, just overlap the forward deck a little. This not only keeps water out, but air in, which will improve on drag, especially at the rear of the canopy. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmlfd.html ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:40:02 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: T-88, how much? Message-ID: Steve asked: >The question is, how much T-88 do I need to order to >glue all of the sticks and plywood together Well, I'm not building a KR yet, but my M-19 "KR construction trainer" is also built using the same methods so I do have a little experience. I think I have 90% of the woodwork done on my project and still have about 40% of my original T-88 left, but the M-19 has almost no plywood in it and the spars aren't box-type... so as a guess I would say one "kit" of resin+hardener would probably do most of your airplane fuselage but you might need to get into a second "kit" in building the wings. Now I realize that the spars alone will use a good deal of one normal "kit", but my advice would be to start out with one order and use it up, then order another later if you need it. The stuff will be fresher that way, plus you won't end up with epoxy on the shelf if you end up not using it. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 06:46:23 -0700 (PDT) To: Steven Eberhart , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Timothy Brown Subject: Re: KR> T-88, how much? Message-ID: <20010417134623.59778.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Steve: After purchasing a second then third quart (when mixed) I purchased a gallon (when mixed) and have used about half and may not need much more than what I have already used. I would suggest buying the gallon when mixed size at about $75.00. Tim --- Steven Eberhart wrote: > After hanging around the list for quite some time, I > am finally in the > build mode. As many of you know I sold my KR plans > a while back and > bought a set of BX-2 Cherry plans. My Cherry is now > under construction. > > The construction methods are exactly the same as > used on the KR and its > size is roughly the same. From looking at the > fuselage construction you > wouldn't know it was a Cherry rather than a KR. > Framed the same and > skinned with plywood the same. > > The question is, how much T-88 do I need to order to > glue all of the > sticks and plywood together? THis has probably been > covered in the past > but I am limited to the internet access I have at > the moment. My firewall > server was hacked into this weekend and they > downloaded a number of files > and compiled several programs. I havn't found out > all of the dastardly > tasks yet so am treating the firewall server with > extream care untill I > get it rebuilt. I was able to identify who hacked > into it and have been > in contact with their ISP. Needless to say they > aren't going to be happy > campers very soon. > > Anyone interrested in more information about the > CHerry can look at: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~nvav/pag/Cherry.htmlttp://www.xs4all.nl/ > > Yup, that is a fully retractable tri-cycle gear and > the wings are > removable for easy trailering. THe engine of choice > is C-65 to O-200. > > > Steve Eberhart > mailto:newtech@newtech.com > > One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a > thousand opinions are > easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:50:37 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: gussets Message-ID: Paul asked: >I have finished the fuse sides and am about to put the bottom and >top pieces on the "boat". How does one secure and clamp the >gussets for these members Well, there are lots of great sites out there, but here are 3 good ones to look at. First, Haris Ashraf's site, which actually shows the clamping: http://members.aol.com/hariskr2sa/fuselage1.html then there is Mark Jones' which has narrative and pictures, at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/fuselage and of course by all means visit Mark Langford's fuselage page at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kfuse.html These should give you a good start. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:31:55 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "Bill Gaudlip" Subject: T-88 Message-ID: <001901c0c742$c608ac40$6f0fddd8@BillGaudlip> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C721.3E5FFC60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oscar, I finished my KR two years ago after spending eight = building, but if my memory serves me right, out of the gallon of T-88 = Rand sent me I think I only used a quarter of it on the whole plane. I = doesn't take much at all and you want nice tight joints so most of it = ends up being squeezed out anyway. Hope this helps for what its worth. Bill Gaudlip Hooversville PA bgaudlip@lenzlink.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C0C721.3E5FFC60-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:02:09 -0500 (CDT) To: From: Steven Eberhart Subject: T-88 Message-ID: Thanks to all who replied on and off net about the quantities of T-88 needed to glue all of the sticks together. Interresting note, the mix of on net and off net replies was about 50/50. So for this one you only saw about half of the replies Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com Not building airplanes this week, re-building computers. TO ALL COMPUTER HACKERS, MAY ALL OF YOUR FINGERS SHRIVEL UP AND FALL OFF ....... ARGH!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 09:33:41 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "Bill Gaudlip" Subject: MISTAKE Message-ID: <002601c0c743$0490ab20$6f0fddd8@BillGaudlip> ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0C721.7CF8C420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oscar --- Sorry about the post on the T-88 it was ment for Steve. Bill Gaudlip ------=_NextPart_000_0023_01C0C721.7CF8C420-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 08:54:30 -0500 (CDT) To: , , From: Steven Eberhart Subject: heads up for Linux/Unix users Message-ID: THis is a heads up for Linux/Unix users. I will be off net while I rebuild two Linux boxes, two Sun Unix boxes and a Windows 2000 box. I was running a Linux firewall connected to my cable modem with all of my other computers on a separate ethernet behind the firewall. I got hacked by a very sophisticated hacker that managed to ftp all of the necessary source code for his tasks to a directory named '....' on the firewall. He then compiled everything on my machine with set user privleges. First thing he did was compile and run a program that normally is used to check the security of all of your network systems and report back any areas that pose a possible security problem. He then had all of the information he needed to do his job. He then configured my Sun Ultra workstation with port monitors that are normally used for remote diagnostics, basically giving him access to a remote high level Unix development system. He has been freely using my computers for his purposes for the past three weeks. THe deeper I get into tracking down his moves the more I find out what he has done. To add insult to injury, my Linux system wasn't configured to his liking so he downloaded some additional modules and used the Red Hat RPM utility to add the additional packages to upgrade the Linux system to his liking. If you are running a Linux or Unix system on a cable modem with a fixed IP address I suggest you do some indepth snooping around your system looking for anything that doesn't look right. My hacker covered his tracks well but lift enough clues to uncover atleast the tip of the iceburg. What I know scares the hell out of me and I know there are probably a lot more things that I don't know about. The only good thing is that all of my source code for my company's products wasn't mounted so he didn't get that but he did have access to the source code to an old release. I think he was more interrested in adding more US computers for his free use than stealing data. I have tracked this guy down to an ISP in Macedonia but it looks like he was just using someone elses computer that he had done the same thing to. It is a nasty world out there, be careful. This has cost me about a week of work re-building everything plus the cost of another computer so that I can beef up my firewall security. THat is money that was earmarked for my airplane :-( Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 14:53:59 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "David Busby" Subject: Forgive me, I couldn't resist! Message-ID: <3ADC9F57.8451B5E3@jefcoed.com> Subject: Taiwan Daily Gazette Article In a heroic dogfight fought over international waters off the China coast, a 60s era American-built Lockheed Electra propeller airliner with 24 US Navy passengers/observers aboard chewed up one of China's best state-of-the-art supersonic fighter aircraft. The Americans utilizing the infrequently seen combat tactic of straight and level flight, often accomplished by relying solely on autopilot, engaged the unfortunate single seat combat jet and knocked it out of the air using only one of its four formidable rotating air mass propellers. After the action, the crew and passengers/observers dropped in on China's Hainan Island Resort, for some much deserved R&R as guests of the Chinese government. Reprinted from the Taiwan Daily Gazette by staff writer One Wing Lo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:21:35 -0700 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: RV6 low budget lighting Message-ID: <3ADD245F.9F6B542B@home.com> A local RV6 at our RAA meeting introduce me to his low budget landing light system from Home Depote the local aircraft supply house. He used low voltage halogene house lights! pretty cool i think and the 700 hours prove there stamina to me. He has an interesting tail wheel too http://www.netrover.com/~tjantzi/terry/ Happy building Carter and Darren KR2-S heavy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:11:39 -0700 To: Horn2004@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) Message-ID: <3ADD220B.C284A252@home.com> Steve, I think that to be a long term participant on this list you have to develop a thick skin. I haven' "left" the KR list in terms of unsubscribing since I joined, but I have had long periods where I simply deleted large blocks of emails without reading them. I figure anyone who wants to reach me can email me directly. Off and on their are topics which are called "dead horses" which come up from time to time. And there is a lot of traffic where folks are complaining about this, and wanting readers to read the archives etc.... well frankly I think that there is somthing to be said for bringing up the old arguments again and again, so that they are more "alive". If all of the questions had been answered we could simply post all of the KRnet archives, and shut down the list. Somthing that makes the KR distinctly KR like is the discussions over pich sensitivity, which airfoil to use, how to widen the fuselage, what type of foam, how long to stretch, what powerplant etc. Somehow, I can't imagine these levels of modifications being bantered about on the RV or Lancair list. I could do without the flaming, but for the most part I figure this is a basicly free list, so anything goes, which is in a way what makes it such a fun place to hang out from time to time. I'm kind of like Groucho Marx in a way, in that I am not sure I want to be a part of any club which would have me as a member. If we tighten up the requirements for KRnet, then in some respect, it changes the flavor of the 'net. In my opinion, a lot of us have ideas of how we are going to do our KR, then we look for examples to back up the direction we are headed in. There are many folks I know who think I am a bit strange to build an airplane, then there are those who have seen my project, and are convinced of it. I do it because I have a really good time doing it, so if somone doesn't like my choice of powerplant, or paint job or airfoil, it really doesn't bother me, the point for me in this activity is to have some fun. Sometimes, I wonder if Ken Rand would have made all of these modifications to his KR. The March '74 issue of Sport Aviation sort of gave me the impression he was so busy having fun flying, that perhaps he would have thought we were all too preoccupied with changes to have fun, he was a small guy, and wouldn't need to widen the fuselage and if the VW worked, perhaps he would have stuck with it. Or maybe he would have had a terrific job making a Chevy V6 version fly. I'd like to think however, that he would be more interested in having fun doing the modifications, than defending any improvements that the changes might make. I kind of think that's where some of the Airfoil and Corvair arguments go South, I don't think that the point is which one is "better", but which one would be more fun? Would you rather build to the plans, and have a KR that is similar to the other KR's, or are you looking for the challange that the different airfoil, brings to your project. Building a KR is a big project (at least for me it is 12years and counting), we should all be out here having fun. -- Ross Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/15/01 12:14:51 AM, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com writes: > > <> > > I've been on the list for about 6 + years now and have noticed a drop off of > posts after large flame sessions. The last one here occurred over the > airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark Langford. They were two of > the best we had and some of the most prolific. They got fed up with the > ATTITUDE being displayed by some of the "newer" members and left. And you > don't see those members with the ATTITUDE contributing very much, do you. > > I would be willing to bet that you're not going to see very much in the way > of worth while content for a very long time. Too bad. Kinda pisses me off > that the closed mind, open mouth crowd does little more than drive off the > better participants. > > So in answer to your question about where has everyone gone, I suspect you'll > get your answer at the next gathering when they show up with their finished > aircraft and we show up with our questions. > > Steve Horn > horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:48:59 -0400 To: "'rossy65@home.com'" , Horn2004@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) Message-ID: I wish there was a "NET" when I built my first KR. There weren't even any other persons close by to discuss such issues with. I am now building ( finishing a project, started by my friend Jerry ) and am very glad to have you all there with me. The only thing is, that I really wish someone would respond to my questions. We are doing some things different on this KR, the neat thing about a KR is that you can do what you want, and need some advise from some of you who have already blazed the trails. The current issue is that we are installing the Diehl conventional gear with Matco wheels and brakes. We are inventing ways to anchor the brake to the gear. So far, the best we can come up with is to install a solid spacer between the axle mount bracket and the axle and to bolt the anchor plate that sits inside the rotor, between the axle and the spacer. Someone must have other ideas about this. I would really appreciate your input before I go off and do something stupid. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@SCANA.com 803-217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: Ross R. Youngblood [mailto:rossy65@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:12 AM To: Horn2004@aol.com; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) Steve, I think that to be a long term participant on this list you have to develop a thick skin. I haven' "left" the KR list in terms of unsubscribing since I joined, but I have had long periods where I simply deleted large blocks of emails without reading them. I figure anyone who wants to reach me can email me directly. Off and on their are topics which are called "dead horses" which come up from time to time. And there is a lot of traffic where folks are complaining about this, and wanting readers to read the archives etc.... well frankly I think that there is somthing to be said for bringing up the old arguments again and again, so that they are more "alive". If all of the questions had been answered we could simply post all of the KRnet archives, and shut down the list. Somthing that makes the KR distinctly KR like is the discussions over pich sensitivity, which airfoil to use, how to widen the fuselage, what type of foam, how long to stretch, what powerplant etc. Somehow, I can't imagine these levels of modifications being bantered about on the RV or Lancair list. I could do without the flaming, but for the most part I figure this is a basicly free list, so anything goes, which is in a way what makes it such a fun place to hang out from time to time. I'm kind of like Groucho Marx in a way, in that I am not sure I want to be a part of any club which would have me as a member. If we tighten up the requirements for KRnet, then in some respect, it changes the flavor of the 'net. In my opinion, a lot of us have ideas of how we are going to do our KR, then we look for examples to back up the direction we are headed in. There are many folks I know who think I am a bit strange to build an airplane, then there are those who have seen my project, and are convinced of it. I do it because I have a really good time doing it, so if somone doesn't like my choice of powerplant, or paint job or airfoil, it really doesn't bother me, the point for me in this activity is to have some fun. Sometimes, I wonder if Ken Rand would have made all of these modifications to his KR. The March '74 issue of Sport Aviation sort of gave me the impression he was so busy having fun flying, that perhaps he would have thought we were all too preoccupied with changes to have fun, he was a small guy, and wouldn't need to widen the fuselage and if the VW worked, perhaps he would have stuck with it. Or maybe he would have had a terrific job making a Chevy V6 version fly. I'd like to think however, that he would be more interested in having fun doing the modifications, than defending any improvements that the changes might make. I kind of think that's where some of the Airfoil and Corvair arguments go South, I don't think that the point is which one is "better", but which one would be more fun? Would you rather build to the plans, and have a KR that is similar to the other KR's, or are you looking for the challange that the different airfoil, brings to your project. Building a KR is a big project (at least for me it is 12years and counting), we should all be out here having fun. -- Ross Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 4/15/01 12:14:51 AM, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com writes: > > <> > > I've been on the list for about 6 + years now and have noticed a drop off of > posts after large flame sessions. The last one here occurred over the > airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark Langford. They were two of > the best we had and some of the most prolific. They got fed up with the > ATTITUDE being displayed by some of the "newer" members and left. And you > don't see those members with the ATTITUDE contributing very much, do you. > > I would be willing to bet that you're not going to see very much in the way > of worth while content for a very long time. Too bad. Kinda pisses me off > that the closed mind, open mouth crowd does little more than drive off the > better participants. > > So in answer to your question about where has everyone gone, I suspect you'll > get your answer at the next gathering when they show up with their finished > aircraft and we show up with our questions. > > Steve Horn > horn2004@aol.com > Dallas, TX > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 09:23:34 -0700 To: , , From: "William J. Starrs" Subject: Re: KR> Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) Message-ID: <002301c0c823$ead96460$400b2aa2@starrs> When you read some thing that upsets you on this net you have to remember that with close to 500 members you are going to get some pretty unstable people. Something like 3% of the population is psychotic,10% Very neurotic,and 20% addicted to booze, drugs or something else. For an Airplane builder that's 30 defective nuts, 50 busted bolts and 125 loose screws. So why are we surprised when some one freaks out over nothing. Bill Starrs (some where between 3 an 20 %) Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross R. Youngblood" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:11 PM Subject: KR> Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) > Steve, > I think that to be a long term participant on this list you have to develop > a > thick skin. I haven' "left" the KR list in terms of unsubscribing since I > joined, > but I have had long periods where I simply deleted large blocks of emails without > > reading them. I figure anyone who wants to reach me can email me directly. > Off and on their are topics which are called "dead horses" which come up > from time to time. And there is a lot of traffic where folks are complaining > about > this, and wanting readers to read the archives etc.... well frankly I think that > there is somthing to be said for bringing up the old arguments again and again, > so that they are more "alive". If all of the questions had been answered we > could simply post all of the KRnet archives, and shut down the list. > Somthing that makes the KR distinctly KR like is the discussions over > pich sensitivity, which airfoil to use, how to widen the fuselage, what type > of foam, how long to stretch, what powerplant etc. Somehow, I can't > imagine these levels of modifications being bantered about on the RV or > Lancair list. > I could do without the flaming, but for the most part I figure this is > a basicly free list, so anything goes, which is in a way what makes it such > a fun place to hang out from time to time. I'm kind of like Groucho Marx > in a way, in that I am not sure I want to be a part of any club which would > have me as a member. If we tighten up the requirements for KRnet, then > in some respect, it changes the flavor of the 'net. > In my opinion, a lot of us have ideas of how we are going to do our KR, then > we look for examples to back up the direction we are headed in. There are many > folks I know who think I am a bit strange to build an airplane, then there are > those > who have seen my project, and are convinced of it. I do it because I have a > really > good time doing it, so if somone doesn't like my choice of powerplant, or paint > job > or airfoil, it really doesn't bother me, the point for me in this activity is to > have some > fun. > Sometimes, I wonder if Ken Rand would have made all of these modifications > to his KR. The March '74 issue of Sport Aviation sort of gave me the impression > > he was so busy having fun flying, that perhaps he would have thought we were all > too preoccupied with changes to have fun, he was a small guy, and wouldn't need > to widen the fuselage and if the VW worked, perhaps he would have stuck with it. > Or > maybe he would have had a terrific job making a Chevy V6 version fly. I'd like > to > think however, that he would be more interested in having fun doing the > modifications, > than defending any improvements that the changes might make. > > I kind of think that's where some of the Airfoil and Corvair arguments go > South, > I don't think that the point is which one is "better", but which one would be > more fun? > Would you rather build to the plans, and have a KR that is similar to the other > KR's, > or are you looking for the challange that the different airfoil, brings to your > project. > > Building a KR is a big project (at least for me it is 12years and counting), we > should > all be out here having fun. > > -- Ross > > Horn2004@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/15/01 12:14:51 AM, kr-n899eb@mindspring.com writes: > > > > <> > > > > I've been on the list for about 6 + years now and have noticed a drop off of > > posts after large flame sessions. The last one here occurred over the > > airfoil. After that we lost Dana Overall and Mark Langford. They were two of > > the best we had and some of the most prolific. They got fed up with the > > ATTITUDE being displayed by some of the "newer" members and left. And you > > don't see those members with the ATTITUDE contributing very much, do you. > > > > I would be willing to bet that you're not going to see very much in the way > > of worth while content for a very long time. Too bad. Kinda pisses me off > > that the closed mind, open mouth crowd does little more than drive off the > > better participants. > > > > So in answer to your question about where has everyone gone, I suspect you'll > > get your answer at the next gathering when they show up with their finished > > aircraft and we show up with our questions. > > > > Steve Horn > > horn2004@aol.com > > Dallas, TX > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 17:29:42 -0500 To: "HEATH, DANIEL R" From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) Message-ID: <3ADE1556.CA5A4BFE@execpc.com> Daniel, I too have the Matco wheels and hydraulic system. You are right on the nose as far as how you have determined the way to mount to the Diehl gear. Fabricate you a spacer from 1/4" aluminum plate to match the Diehl lower bracket pad. This will give you just enough clearance for the wheel to turn without hitting on the bottom of the fiberglass leg. The spacer will mount as you described between the gear pad and the anchor plate. An easy and sweet set up. Mark Jones "HEATH, DANIEL R" wrote: > The current issue is that we are installing the Diehl conventional gear with > Matco wheels and brakes. We are inventing ways to anchor the brake to the > gear. So far, the best we can come up with is to install a solid spacer > between the axle mount bracket and the axle and to bolt the anchor plate > that sits inside the rotor, between the axle and the spacer. > > Someone must have other ideas about this. I would really appreciate your > input before I go off and do something stupid. > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@SCANA.com > 803-217-9984 > Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 20:54:49 EDT To: DHEATH@scana.com, rossy65@home.com, Horn2004@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: GARYKR2@cs.com Subject: Re: KR> Long Winded RE:(People Leaving List) Message-ID: <76.9b0d6a9.280f9159@cs.com> In a message dated 4/18/01 7:50:49 AM Eastern Daylight Time, DHEATH@scana.com writes: << So far, the best we can come up with is to install a solid spacer between the axle mount bracket and the axle and to bolt the anchor plate that sits inside the rotor, between the axle and the spacer. >> Take a look at how Cessna does it. This is the standard and about the best there is. Gary Hinkle (A/P) Middletown, Pa. garykr2@cs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:45:22 -0700 To: "Joseph H. Horton" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Removable decks Message-ID: <3ADD29F2.4A77BD8F@home.com> Joe, Hey, this is an excellent question! My forward and aft decks are removeable. The aft deck is secured with two extruded piano hinges about 5' in length. Pull out one pin, and the aft deck swings open for maintence. During construction I just use a short pin to hold it closed (actually one of my cowling pins as my lower cowling half is attached to the firewall with one of these). The foward deck has 4 bolts floxed into the forward end which go through holes in the firewall and are captured by angle brackets which also serve as cowling attach brackets. At the AFT end there are brackets that capture the fwd deck and also serve as lower mounts for the instrument panel. I thought a bit about the moisture problem myself, since I had moved to Oregon, and decided that I wasn't going to be flying in too much rain, and the plane would be hangared. However, if I did fly in a rainstorm, I expect that a lot of moisture could seep in around the regions you described. One solution I can think of is to simply run a bead of Silicone caulking around the joints either prior to or after the deck is installed. I haven't tried this yet, but am thinking I may and will let you know how it looks. I have felt that the KR is not really the kind of airplane I want exposed to the elements for long periods, so I had it hangared, and now have an enclosed cargo trailer for storage. What I will do on long cross country trips is another matter. When I wash the plane, I don't have a real problem with this. But flying at 100+Mph in light rain is a slightly different matter. There is also the issue of extra wind noise and perhaps the associated drag of any air leaking through the gap, so perhaps the Silicon solution will work. Another option would be to install the rubber seal moulding that Aircraft Spruce sells, but this would tend to make a larger ridge between the fwd deck and the longerons, unless you built a relief on the inside for this when you planned your layup. Another trick I did, was to paint my red stripe along the region where the top and bottom assembly meets. This hides the imperfections in the mating of the two surfaces. (For example the aft fuselage is curved, but the hinge is straight so there is a change in the profile of the hinge to longeron along the length... i.e. it is not flush with the fuselage the entire length). This paint trick works better than expected, and hides some undesired contour changes in the compound curves of my forward deck which occured after my initial layup, when I built up the FWD fuel tank. Someday, I may build a new forward deck, if I ever want to win a show, however, I am satisfied with what I have at the moment. For pictures of my plane go to http://www.teleport.com/~rossy/N541RY.htm -- Regards Ross "Joseph H. Horton" wrote: > KR Netters: > I've been reading about all the people that have made one section or > another removable from the fusealage. What I don't understand is how the > seam between parts is kept weather tight. I would like to make my forward > deck and header tank removable. This makes three places with the > potential of water entering the cockpit area. One on each side and the > joint along the fire wall. Does anyone have a way of sealing these up? > Thanks, Happy Building; Joe Horton > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 01:56:10 -0000 To: From: haffi@vortex.is (Hafsteinn Jonasson) Subject: landing gear Message-ID: <002201c0c873$e8f8fd40$c59104c1@c0g3t9> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0C873.E81EC9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi netters Im building my main spar and need to know the length of the Diehl axle = mount bracket. If anyone could give me some numbers. Thanks. --- Hafsteinn J=F3nasson, Iceland haffi@vortex.is ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C0C873.E81EC9E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 21:38:10 -0500 To: Hafsteinn Jonasson From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> landing gear Message-ID: <3ADE4F91.21F4E60C@execpc.com> The axle pad is 2 1/2" long from the bend, the leg pad is 2 1/2" form the bend and the bracket is 2 1/2" wide. These measurements are +/- 1/32" or so. Hope this helps. Mark Jones Hafsteinn Jonasson wrote: > hi netters > > Im building my main spar and need to know the length of the Diehl axle mount bracket. If anyone could give me some numbers. > > Thanks. > --- > Hafsteinn Jónasson, Iceland > haffi@vortex.is -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 22:29:06 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Christine Coolidge Subject: Kit for sale cheap Message-ID: <20010418.222908.-924987.1.USAUS@juno.com> Hello all, Long story but I wound up over budget with one KR2 s kit and one Kr2 wood kit with the plywood skins the left and right side are complete already. I am almost complete with the 2S but I need to sell the extra Kr2 kit . I am selling the KR2 kit along with wheel pants , wafs , engine mount, one clean type 4 case and one complete used type four (disasembled). I have foam for ribs and a roll of E-glass. I am selling my Ray Jay turbo complete with intake , exahust w/ waste gate and remote mount oil cooler. I need instruments , radios, 54x50 prop( force one hub) and spinner. so I will consider trades or cash. The wood kit and plywood skin is still in the crates they came in. If interested e-mail me at Scott_Bounds@amat.com and I can send you pictures. Regards ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************