From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 4 May 2001 03:48:59 -0000 Issue 216 Date: Thursday, May 03, 2001 8:49 PM krnet Digest 4 May 2001 03:48:59 -0000 Issue 216 Topics (messages 5141 through 5170): Re: AILERON PUSH ROD 5141 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 5146 by: larry flesner Re: Bondo 5142 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 5164 by: Ron Eason Re: N6399U 5143 by: HEATH, DANIEL R 5145 by: Donald Reid 5167 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Re: Skip Carden's KR 5144 by: Mark Langford 5150 by: lavon loynd 5151 by: Steven Eberhart wheels/tires/brakes/axles 5147 by: Oscar Zuniga Fiberglass bubble problem! 5148 by: Laheze.aol.com floats 5149 by: Oscar Zuniga 5152 by: Mark D Lougheed 5153 by: Mark D Lougheed Reminder (please do not take offense) 5154 by: William J. Starrs 5155 by: Garland, Norm F 5156 by: Steven Eberhart 5157 by: John High Flight 5158 by: Payne, Scott 5159 by: John My idea for a nice seat 5160 by: Serge F. VIDAL Re: Fuel pump 5161 by: Serge F. VIDAL 5168 by: POND CARTER Off topic posts... 5162 by: Mark Langford engine for sale 5163 by: Tom Crawford Ellison EFI-2 5165 by: robert 5166 by: Mark Langford Advantages of a tapered wing? 5169 by: POND CARTER Re: test msg - disregard 5170 by: BABYWOLF.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:43:28 -0400 To: "'pjvisc@netzero.net'" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> AILERON PUSH ROD Message-ID: You could set them up with a turnbuckle and make them adjustable. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: pjvisc@netzero.net [mailto:pjvisc@netzero.net] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 12:02 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> AILERON PUSH ROD Can anyone give me an idea of approimate length of push rod ? Within 2 inches. Using original bellcrank setup and Diehl wing skins. I'd like to have an idea of length of push rod when aileron and bellcrank in neutral positions. I intend to use 3/8 rod with rod end bearings at both ends which would allow about 2 inches variation. Phil Visconti Marlboro, MA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 07:58:10 -0500 To: pjvisc@netzero.net,krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> AILERON PUSH ROD Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010503075810.0086ce60@pop3.norton.antivirus> >Can anyone give me an idea of approimate length of push rod ? >Within 2 inches. > >Phil Visconti >Marlboro, MA ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Phil, I measured the one pushrod I have made up and it measures approx. 3 3/8 inches. This does not include the rod ends but is only the length of threaded rod itself. I have a plans built wing and bellcrank setup. I'm using cut-down rods (1/4" solid steel rod) from a C-150 that uses rod end bearings with a 3/16" bolt through the bearing. I'm guessing that if these work on a C-150 they should work on a KR. I hope this helps and I'm not steering you to far wrong here. Your results may vary !!! ( I used cheap alum. rod from the hardware store to set mine up before I cut and threaded the steel rod. A piece of threaded rod would work for testing if you can find the correct thread count.) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:45:39 -0400 To: "'Ron Eason'" , "HEATH, DANIEL R" , "'Mark Langford'" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: Bondo Message-ID: If you do not get the saran wrap on there perfectly, then you will end up with many ridges that have to be smoothed over. I have always used "Finish Cloth" and have never had a problem with it. I think you just need to get it really wet and then really dry. Using your brush to stipple the resin to the top is also a good idea. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: Ron Eason [mailto:ron@jrl-engineering.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:47 PM To: HEATH, DANIEL R; 'Mark Langford'; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re:Bondo It's the moisture in the air inhibiting the surface cure. Try covering the surface with suran wrap. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" To: "'Mark Langford'" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:06 AM Subject: RE: KR> test MSG - disregard > OK, how is this? Ever tried thinning out Bondo with the extender and adding > a lot of micro to it? Very light, hard, and smooth. Bondo is a funny > thing. When it sets up, the surface is sticky and almost rubbery. Shave it > with a surform and it sands very easily. I wonder why it acts like that. > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@Scana.com > (803)217-9984 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:58 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> test msg - disregard > > > John Bryhan wrote: > > > Just a test - I haven't got a single email all day long > > I think a cease-fire has broken out. We've all finally learned what > everybody's going to say to whatever we post, so we just save everybody the > trouble of reloading. Any new questions are certainly welcome, however. > When it's this slow, even the dumb ones are entertaining! Anybody using > Rustoleum? I'll bet I'll live long enough to regret that comment. > > If it makes you feel any better, our 120 AOL subscribers are waging war on > AOL for stealing their KRNet email for months. > > Everybody got their hotel reservation for the Gathering in September? If > not, see the address below, about half way down for details. I'd like to > take air-to-air pictures of all the KRs attending this year, if possible. > Maybe I can talk Marty into flying the camera plane, since we've already got > one of his... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 18:16:58 -0500 To: "HEATH, DANIEL R" , "'Mark Langford'" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> RE: Bondo Message-ID: <006901c0d427$273e9600$ad131a41@kc.rr.com> Use a squeegee to work out air and wrinkles. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" To: "'Ron Eason'" ; "HEATH, DANIEL R" ; "'Mark Langford'" ; Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 6:45 AM Subject: KR> RE: Bondo > If you do not get the saran wrap on there perfectly, then you will end up > with many ridges that have to be smoothed over. I have always used "Finish > Cloth" and have never had a problem with it. I think you just need to get > it really wet and then really dry. Using your brush to stipple the resin to > the top is also a good idea. > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@Scana.com > (803)217-9984 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ron Eason [mailto:ron@jrl-engineering.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 10:47 PM > To: HEATH, DANIEL R; 'Mark Langford'; krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re:Bondo > > > It's the moisture in the air inhibiting the surface cure. Try covering the > surface with suran wrap. > > Ron > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" > To: "'Mark Langford'" ; > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 7:06 AM > Subject: RE: KR> test MSG - disregard > > > > OK, how is this? Ever tried thinning out Bondo with the extender and > adding > > a lot of micro to it? Very light, hard, and smooth. Bondo is a funny > > thing. When it sets up, the surface is sticky and almost rubbery. Shave > it > > with a surform and it sands very easily. I wonder why it acts like that. > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > DHeath@Scana.com > > (803)217-9984 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 10:58 PM > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Subject: Re: KR> test msg - disregard > > > > > > John Bryhan wrote: > > > > > Just a test - I haven't got a single email all day long > > > > I think a cease-fire has broken out. We've all finally learned what > > everybody's going to say to whatever we post, so we just save everybody > the > > trouble of reloading. Any new questions are certainly welcome, however. > > When it's this slow, even the dumb ones are entertaining! Anybody using > > Rustoleum? I'll bet I'll live long enough to regret that comment. > > > > If it makes you feel any better, our 120 AOL subscribers are waging war on > > AOL for stealing their KRNet email for months. > > > > Everybody got their hotel reservation for the Gathering in September? If > > not, see the address below, about half way down for details. I'd like to > > take air-to-air pictures of all the KRs attending this year, if possible. > > Maybe I can talk Marty into flying the camera plane, since we've already > got > > one of his... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:48:31 -0400 To: "'Kenneth L Wiltrout'" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: "HEATH, DANIEL R" Subject: RE: KR> N6399U Message-ID: Speaking of inspections reminded me of one thing the inspector pointed out to me on my first KR. He had me replace the single long bolt ( pin ) that attached the top and the one that attached the bottom of the wing, with individual bolts for each attach point. Does anyone have an opinion on which way is best? I am looking at using one bolt with a spacer between, on this one. Daniel R. Heath DHeath@Scana.com (803)217-9984 -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:16 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> N6399U Just an update on N6399U. I had my FAA inspection on Tuesday, it was performed by a DAR since the FAA was entirely to busy. Any how it went extremely well. The DAR only found minor issues that required a decal or two. He only asked that I get those decals on as soon as I could, then promptly issued the airworthiness cert. For those of us that went through this ordeal, I think I can speak for all of us when I say,GLAD THAT"S OVER!!!!! 99U is based in Kutztown Pa and will under go ground and flight testing as soon as I get insurance. Hopefully by next weekend.--------------------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 08:55:04 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: RE: KR> N6399U Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010503084228.00a003b0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1252394==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 07:48 AM 5/3/2001 -0400, HEATH, DANIEL R wrote: >Speaking of inspections reminded me of one thing the inspector pointed out >to me on my first KR. He had me replace the single long bolt ( pin ) that >attached the top and the one that attached the bottom of the wing, with >individual bolts for each attach point. Does anyone have an opinion on >which way is best? > >I am looking at using one bolt with a spacer between, on this one. There are three different ways to connect our type of wing attachment fittings. A single long bolt without any compression spacer behind it is the absolute worst. If your inspector did not want you to do this type, then he did you a favor. The next best way is to use individual bolts. This way is fully acceptable for our type of attachment fittings since the unsupported gap between the spar caps is so small (in relative terms). If the gap is too large, the fittings will bend under load and fail by buckling. The best way, but only slightly better, is one long bolt with a compression spacer between the fittings. The compression spacer that I use is a piece of thick wall tubing cut to length in a lathe. This type of fitting is slightly stronger, has a lower part count, and is no heavier than the second. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org --=====================_1252394==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 20:59:25 -0400 To: DHEATH@scana.com From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> N6399U Message-ID: <20010503.210242.-255877.1.klw1953@juno.com> I went with the individual bolts. It's alot of additional work when your pulling off the wings on a regular basis, but I feel safer. I really don't think a spacer is needed when attaching in this fashion.---------KENNY On Thu, 3 May 2001 07:48:31 -0400 "HEATH, DANIEL R" writes: > Speaking of inspections reminded me of one thing the inspector > pointed out > to me on my first KR. He had me replace the single long bolt ( pin > ) that > attached the top and the one that attached the bottom of the wing, > with > individual bolts for each attach point. Does anyone have an opinion > on > which way is best? > > I am looking at using one bolt with a spacer between, on this one. > > Daniel R. Heath > DHeath@Scana.com > (803)217-9984 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 6:16 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> N6399U > > > Just an update on N6399U. I had my FAA inspection on Tuesday, it was > performed by a DAR since the FAA was entirely to busy. Any how it > went > extremely well. The DAR only found minor issues that required a > decal or > two. He only asked that I get those decals on as soon as I could, > then > promptly issued the airworthiness cert. For those of us that went > through > this ordeal, I think I can speak for all of us when I say,GLAD > THAT"S > OVER!!!!! 99U is based in Kutztown Pa and will under go ground and > flight > testing as soon as I get insurance. Hopefully by next > weekend.--------------------Kenny > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 06:56:42 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Skip Carden's KR Message-ID: <001801c0d3c8$1f93e540$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> Oscar wrote: > ...and, unless I'm mistaken, has Don's one-of-a-kind adjustable Zenith carb > on it. He modified the mixture adjustment screw into an in-and-out > adjustment needle to use conventional mixture control in the cockpit. I > tried to pry the details out of both him and Skip, but neither wants the > liability ;o( That's taking liability way too far. If we all operated under those guidelines, there would be NO KR web pages, and no KRNet... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 07:49:22 -0600 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "lavon loynd" Subject: Re: KR> Skip Carden's KR Message-ID: <003a01c0d3d7$dc866b00$34922a0c@LavonLoynd> What liability? Mark is right, this is taking it way way too far. To tell someone, anyone, what you did with your one-of-a-kind adjustable Zenith carb, or how you did it, especially on a web site like this one, is not a incubator for liability. Lets not run scared folks. I could go into a legal diatribe that would work well in court, but it has no place here. One of the best defenses to liability for harm is the participation in a "dangerous sport" and if building and flying a supercharged composite pellet can not be dangerous, just mix some more epoxy etc. let alone fly those first few flights. Let us keep it positive and helpful. Von (Prosecuting Attorney, Custer County, Idaho) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:56 AM Subject: Re: KR> Skip Carden's KR > Oscar wrote: > > > ...and, unless I'm mistaken, has Don's one-of-a-kind adjustable Zenith > carb > > on it. He modified the mixture adjustment screw into an in-and-out > > adjustment needle to use conventional mixture control in the cockpit. I > > tried to pry the details out of both him and Skip, but neither wants the > > liability ;o( > > That's taking liability way too far. If we all operated under those > guidelines, there would be NO KR web pages, and no KRNet... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:14:56 -0500 (CDT) To: From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> Skip Carden's KR Message-ID: On Thu, 3 May 2001, lavon loynd wrote: > What liability? Mark is right, this is taking it way way too far. > Von (Prosecuting Attorney, Custer County, Idaho) COOL. I have always known that there was a great wealth of talent on KRNet. A question about liability comes up and we get a responce from a Prosecuting Attorney. When the recent discussion about stability came up we had two world class aeronautical engineers putting in so much time that you wouldn't believe it. I have seen the final reports and the depth of their work was truly amaizing. Disreguarding the occasional need for asbestos underware, the talent pool here is tremendous. Hope we can see some new R&D projects down the road. Sport Aviation is the winner when this happens. Steve Eberhart > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 5:56 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Skip Carden's KR > > > > Oscar wrote: > > > > > ...and, unless I'm mistaken, has Don's one-of-a-kind adjustable Zenith > > carb > > > on it. He modified the mixture adjustment screw into an in-and-out > > > adjustment needle to use conventional mixture control in the cockpit. I > > > tried to pry the details out of both him and Skip, but neither wants the > > > liability ;o( > > > > That's taking liability way too far. If we all operated under those > > guidelines, there would be NO KR web pages, and no KRNet... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:11:55 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: wheels/tires/brakes/axles Message-ID: G'day, netters- Just my personal experience with the Azusa wheels and brakes here: on my M-19 "KR Construction Trainer" for simplicity and low cost I am using Azusa wheels and 4-1/2" mechanical drum brakes (which you can see at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/gear/gear.html and scroll down to the 3rd picture). Although the wheels are nice enough castings, the brakes were disappointing. The drums are very thin and somewhat rough stampings and were both out of round and rough enough that they dragged no matter what I did. I had the inside surfaces turned just a tad to get a more smooth inside surface, and expect that they will 'wear in' once I actually brake with them, but the thinness of the drum material would indicate that they will deform under hard braking. Due to the thinness I didn't want to turn them to where they were nice and true- because making them even thinner would be worse. Fortunately, I shouldn't need much braking effect (the prototype M-19 has no brakes at all). No idea how they will hold on run-up (1835 VW). I would not recommend these on a KR at all. By all means, check out Tracy O'Brien's offerings, of which at least one is the next larger size Azusa drum, which is a bit stouter and which Tracy cleans up and trues up. That is, if you simply must go mechanical drums. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:21:09 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: Fiberglass bubble problem! Message-ID: <55.14f5bc9c.2822b545@aol.com> Sorry guys but I can't talk directly to Mr Kirkland, I am seeing this stuff on escribe. Part of the problem is a gas that forms from the chemicals trying to discipate as it cures out. As this happens underneath the resin filled cloth, a little gets trapped sometimes. I have noticed that this usually happens in warmer situations and the resin is curing more quickly. I think it just simply forms a sealed outer surface and the resin underneath is still going through the gas release process. I have made some great layups before where I know the air has been removed only to come back like Mr Kirkland and find the bubbles. Sometimes they are quite large. That is why I am convinced it is a forming gas from the cure process. If you go back and find bubbles when the resin is close to cured, a technique that I have used over the years is get a tooth pick or something pointed like that and carefully open the woven fibers, take a hair dryer (not your wife's of course) and heat up the area which usually gets the resin to flowing again and then stipple it down with a shortened fibers paint brush. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:25:41 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: floats Message-ID: Skyguyfly2@aol.com asked: >Is there anyone out there? We're here; where are you? Another AOL victim, eh? >I would like to put floats on my KR2. Is there any information sources >on this subject I recommend you hop over to http://www.ultralightfloats.com and check it out. This is the MukTuk Floats website, and they have two basic offerings. One, you can buy their plans for wood homebuilt floats that are designed and sized specifically for your airplane (by weight, displacement, etc.) and build them yourself. Two, you can buy their composite float kits in various stages, with or without mounting hardware, etc. I recommend you direct your questions on floats to Cress Walker, the owner of MukTuk Floats. He will get back to you in a few days. (Then of course there are always the higher-bucks offerings, like the Full Lotus, Murphy, and others). I bought a set of the plans for MukTuk wood floats for my M-19. Very clear, good methods, complete plans, and they are something I can build in my shop with no trouble. I will be designing and building my own mounts, and have built in the necessary hard points as I built. My M-19 will be convertible from conventional gear to skis (winter) and floats (water). Just straight floats though; amphibs are a whole 'nother deal! I know Steve Eberhart is tuned in to this, because he made some effort towards trying to drum up interest in challenging the Italians for the 'Piccolla Copa Schneider' or whatever the race/trophy is called, using a KR-based racer on floats. I mean, the winner was a Heintz CH-2000 based airplane! Surely a KR-based racer could whop that fat-winged beast! 'Specially with a Corvair on the nose ;o) Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:21:30 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark D Lougheed Cc: Skyguyfly2@aol.com Subject: floats Message-ID: <20010503.092427.-221075.2.mdlougheed@juno.com> A source of low cost DIY wood & composite floats is MukTuk out of Nanaimo, B.C. Canada. Website is at http://www.ultralightfloats.com/ Thier wood floats are constructed using the very simple "stich & glue" boat building technique. It's built upside down on a flat table and requires no complex jigging. I wouldn't speculate on how to attach to a KR (They do have them attached to a taildragger on the website though), but thier plan is scalable to whatever weight requirement you might need - check out FAR-23 for buoyancy and subdivision requirements. For more information about the hydrodynamics of floats, check out the NACA legacy papers collection. http://naca.larc.nasa.gov Once there do a search for "Flying Boats". Lots of good papers on hull/float characteristics. Check out reports #509 and #625 in particular. They deal with sizing the bottom of the planing surface to achieve good performance. #625 is a facinating read, particularly if you're into planing boats (and I am). It's a short, sweet and not too technical compilation of the data in #509. Formulas are easy to apply for the preliminary design stage. Hope that helps. Mark D. Lougheed >Date: Wed, 2 May 2001 10:29:52 EDT >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >From: Skyguyfly2@aol.com >Subject: floats >Message-ID: <54.13dd1f88.282173e0@aol.com> > >Is there anyone out there? I would like to put floats on my KR2. Is there any >information sources on this subject. This might not be a very good idea and >if it is I would like to know before I spent a lot of time and money on it. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 09:47:25 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark D Lougheed Cc: Skyguyfly2@aol.com Subject: floats Message-ID: <20010503.094726.-221075.3.mdlougheed@juno.com> I misspoke about the NACA report number of the "facinating read". It should be #694 - Application of Basic Data on Planing Surfaces to the Design of Flying Boat Hulls. The other report I mentioned (#625) is applicable as well, but a bit more esoteric. Mark D. Lougheed On Thu, 3 May 2001 09:21:30 -0500 Mark D Lougheed writes: > For more information about the hydrodynamics of floats, check out > the NACA legacy papers collection. http://naca.larc.nasa.gov Once > there do a search for "Flying Boats". Lots of good papers on > hull/float characteristics. Check out reports #509 and #625 in > particular. They deal with sizing the bottom of the planing surface > to achieve good performance. #625 is a facinating read, > particularly if you're into planing boats (and I am). It's a short, > sweet and not too technical compilation of the data in #509. > Formulas are easy to apply for the preliminary design stage. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 10:41:03 -0700 To: "KR-net" From: "William J. Starrs" Subject: Reminder (please do not take offense) Message-ID: <001601c0d3f8$3a2aaf80$160b2aa2@starrs> ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D3BD.8D34C7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To day is the National day of Prayer,started by President Truman in = 1945. Pray for our country. =20 Visit the Arizona Catholic Evidence Guild at = www.cybertrails.com/~bstarrs Find out for yourself exactly what the = Catholic Church teaches. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C0D3BD.8D34C7A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:55:58 -0400 To: "'William J. Starrs'" , KR-net From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: RE: KR> Reminder (please do not take offense) Message-id: <9CB8E413E225D3119A8300508B08F2AB07D2CFE8@emss03m10.orl.lmco.com> No offense taken, and I bet everyone that has flown has said their own prayer once or twice. Norm F. Garland Jr > -----Original Message----- > From: William J. Starrs [SMTP:bstarrs@cybertrails.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:41 PM > To: KR-net > Subject: KR> Reminder (please do not take offense) > > To day is the National day of Prayer,started by President Truman in 1945. > Pray for our country. > > Visit the Arizona Catholic Evidence Guild at www.cybertrails.com/~bstarrs > Find out for yourself exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 14:18:52 -0500 (CDT) To: KR-net From: Steven Eberhart Subject: RE: KR> Reminder (please do not take offense) Message-ID: On Thu, 3 May 2001, Garland, Norm F wrote: > No offense taken, and I bet everyone that has flown has said their own > prayer once or twice. > > Norm F. Garland Jr I know we are not supposed to do me too posts but that was the first thing that came to mind. After getting totally lost on my long XC, in response to many prayers and wishes for a parking lot that I could pull over while I figured it all out, I looked down and there was the prettiest landing strip I will ever see. A quick landing and I was re-oriented and off on my way with the firm re-inforcement that thou shalt not follow the opposite vor radial. Steve > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William J. Starrs [SMTP:bstarrs@cybertrails.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:41 PM > > To: KR-net > > Subject: KR> Reminder (please do not take offense) > > > > To day is the National day of Prayer,started by President Truman in 1945. > > Pray for our country. > > > > Visit the Arizona Catholic Evidence Guild at www.cybertrails.com/~bstarrs > > Find out for yourself exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > Steve Eberhart mailto:newtech@newtech.com One test is worth a thousand expert opinions but a thousand opinions are easier to get. --plagiarized from an unknown author ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 13:31:50 -0600 To: "Garland, Norm F" , "'William J. Starrs'" , "KR-net" From: John Subject: RE: KR> Reminder (please do not take offense) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010503133133.020c4d68@pop.albq.qwest.net> No offense taken - but this is NOT the place for it At 02:55 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, Garland, Norm F wrote: >No offense taken, and I bet everyone that has flown has said their own >prayer once or twice. > >Norm F. Garland Jr > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William J. Starrs [SMTP:bstarrs@cybertrails.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 1:41 PM > > To: KR-net > > Subject: KR> Reminder (please do not take offense) > > > > To day is the National day of Prayer,started by President Truman in 1945. > > Pray for our country. > > > > Visit the Arizona Catholic Evidence Guild at www.cybertrails.com/~bstarrs > > Find out for yourself exactly what the Catholic Church teaches. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:01:55 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Payne, Scott" Subject: High Flight Message-ID: High Flight Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth. And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings, Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along and flung My eager craft through footless halls of air. Up, up the long delirious, burning blue I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace, Where never lark, or even eagle, flew; And, while with silent, lifting mind i've trod The high untrespassed sanctity of space, Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. John Gillespie Magee Jr. In December 1941, Pilot Officer John Magee, a 19 year old American serving with the Royal Canadian Air Force in England, was killed when his Spitfire collided with another aircraft inside a cloud. Several months before his death, he composed his immortal sonnet "High Flight", a copy of which he fortunately mailed to his parents in the United States. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 14:41:24 -0600 To: "Payne, Scott" ,krnet@mailinglists.org From: John Subject: Re: KR> High Flight Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20010503144114.020c3af8@pop.albq.qwest.net> that's it I'm outta here At 04:01 PM 5/3/2001 -0400, Payne, Scott wrote: >High >Flight > > >Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth. >And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings, >Sunward I've climbed and joined the tumbling mirth >Of sun-split clouds - and done a hundred things >You have not dreamed of - wheeled and soared and swung >High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there, >I've chased the shouting wind along and flung >My eager craft through footless halls of air. >Up, up the long delirious, burning blue >I've topped the wind swept heights with easy grace, >Where never lark, or even eagle, flew; >And, while with silent, lifting mind i've trod >The high untrespassed sanctity of space, >Put out my hand, and touched the face of God. > >John Gillespie Magee Jr. >In December 1941, Pilot Officer John Magee, a 19 year old American serving >with the Royal Canadian Air Force in England, was killed when his Spitfire >collided with another aircraft inside a cloud. Several months before his >death, he composed his immortal sonnet "High Flight", a copy of which he >fortunately mailed to his parents in the United States. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:39:49 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: My idea for a nice seat Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D421.F6C52B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is how I did my lightweight bucket seats. The previous owner being taller than I was, I had to redesign the seating arrangement. While I was at it, I decided to build bucket seats, out of foam, so as to make them very comfortable, yet very light. I decided to keep the belt webbing between the spars for bottom support. I made two cushions for each seat: one for the seating, and one for the backrest. For the seating cushion, I first took a piece of cardboard, and made a template of the section of the bottom of the cushion. I then copied the seat profile of my favorite car, so as to get a template of the section of the top of the cushion. Now, here comes the trick. I took some 3-inches thick high density foam (the thickest I could get here), and cut some vertical slices corresponding to the profile. Of course, the slices on the side have a thicker profile at the top, so as to get a bucket, Recaro style seat. I then used a spray can of glue to glue the slices together, side by side. I then made the cutouts for the control stick. I did the same thing for the backrest cushion. It even has a headrest! The result is quite impressive. The only difficult part is the upholstery. Especially if you use automotive upholstery fabric. Unless you have a very good sewing machine and you are very good at using it, better bring the cushions to somebody who knows the trade. If somebody wants to try the process, I will happily provide photographs and a list of small mistakes to avoid. Serge VIDAL Johannesburg ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C0D421.F6C52B60-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 22:39:53 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: RE: KR> Fuel pump Message-ID: I am not sure I understand the requirement. My KR has got a simple valve and tube to connect the main tank to the auxiliary tank. If you plan to use the auxiliary, you just open the valve; whatever fuel remains in the main goes to the auxiliary, which takes three to five minutes. You then call the truck and top up the main tank. This is simple and lightweight. Serge VIDAL Johannesburg -----Original Message----- From: POND CARTER [mailto:carterkr2s1@home.com] Sent: 03 May, 2001 7:07 AM To: kr Subject: KR> Fuel pump Looking for suggest on a fuel pump. I need to transfer fuel from my main tank to the aux tank (which has no out side filling opening). I will have a 12v battery to work a pump. Ideally a pump that will do 1-2gpm. The fuel truck would have to reconnect to the a/c and top up the main again. This is why the need for a high volume a minute. Thanks Carter Finishing my Taylor Mono Plane and Building and designing the Kr2-S --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 21:10:18 -0700 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: Fuel pump Message-ID: <3AF22BAA.84528323@home.com> Thanks for the input in the fuel pumps. I would like suggestion for something better than 30gallons an hour such as the facet which is ideal for inflight fuel transfers. It the fuel transfers while I have the attention of the line crew that i need to be quick. Any other ideas? Thanks Carter and his KR trainer to be departing this summer Flight level 1 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 16:03:53 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Off topic posts... Message-ID: <002801c0d414$8f78d8b0$561cf618@600athlon> When you guys start with religion and poetry, I'm gonna start unsubscribing people, starting with you two. What's next, politics? That ought to leave a scorched earth! This is not the place for stuff this completely far off topic. Anybody that doesn't understand that needs to realize that we can fix it so you can't subscribe again, in about 30 seconds. We can only stand so many mass exoduses before there's nothing left but the lunatics... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 18:09:44 -0400 To: KR-net users group From: Tom Crawford Subject: engine for sale Message-ID: <3AF1D728.3CA@ufl.edu> Got this off of the RV list. Might make a good KR engine. Price seems right. O-235 for sale, 1500 TTSN Originally an L2C, modified with custom high compression pistons, 125 hp. B&C starter, oil cooler, carburetor, motor driven and electric fuel pump, etc. complete less mags and harness. $5500 Also available, 6 inch prop extension and propeller, removed from LongEz call Ron at (310) 532-3596 -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 19:10:18 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: robert Subject: Ellison EFI-2 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010503191018.007ae100@mail.forcomm.net> I'm thinking of buying this KR-2....To hear the VW run,I need to have this EFI-2 rebuild....It will only run by useing the primer....it there some place I can send it for rebuild.... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 19:01:41 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison EFI-2 Message-ID: <005b01c0d42d$664dde90$561cf618@600athlon> "Bob" wrote: > I'm thinking of buying this KR-2....To hear the VW run,I need to have this > EFI-2 rebuild....It will only run by useing the primer....it there some > place I can send it for rebuild.... If you mean "EFS-2" the obvious place would be the manufacturer, at http://www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/ . Is that not an option? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 03 May 2001 22:17:53 -0700 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: Advantages of a tapered wing? Message-ID: <3AF23B81.44EAC63@home.com> Would some one give me a laymans reasoning for the chosen wing design. What is the advantage of the tapered wing? Here is my thought on obtaining an acceptable wing load for above #1300 widen the fuselage to 44" than add 6" a side to sub wings, narrow the distance between spars by 1.5" to allow a split flap chord of 12" or ideally a fowler flap if I can find the know how( it has to be on the web somewhere!). End result ` all dimensions in ft wing span b ft 25 outer wing average chord 3.672157 stub length ft 4.416 %g 64.672 outer wing length 8.084 %H 35.328 stub cord 4 chord average 3.787977375 wing tip chord 2.183 mean wing chord 3.787977375 flap length 2.583 flap chord 1 wing area 87.5 flap deflection 45 Flap span ratio 0.20664 less than 0.75 Rfs Rfc flap cord ratio 0.263993129 less than 0.25 Maximum wing loading 15.65662654 maximum legal gross weight 1369.954822# (with out high performance rating needed for pilot) Thanks again guys With out the KR net my dreams would be stay only dreams Carter and Darren ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 23:48:24 EDT To: krjeb@qwest.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: BABYWOLF@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> test msg - disregard Message-ID: <50.152e8460.28238088@aol.com> test msg do not open checking of aol ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************