From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 23 May 2001 13:54:39 -0000 Issue 228 Date: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 6:55 AM krnet Digest 23 May 2001 13:54:39 -0000 Issue 228 Topics (messages 5454 through 5479): Re: Re Fiberglassing 5454 by: Alexander Gutierrez surface finish on foam 5455 by: POND CARTER 5462 by: Robert Stone 5465 by: Ross R. Youngblood DYNEL 5456 by: pjvisc.netzero.net new KR2 pilot needs training 5457 by: Mark Langford N6399U first taxi test 5458 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 5466 by: CS 5467 by: Ross R. Youngblood 5472 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 5475 by: Peter Nauta 5479 by: Ross R. Youngblood Hapi front main bearing 5459 by: Yves Lemelin Re: KR2S/Corvair cowling 5460 by: Ross R. Youngblood FOAM SURFACE FINISH 5461 by: Bill Gaudlip 5463 by: Robert Stone Re: FIBERGLASS-DYNEL 5464 by: virgnvs.juno.com 5468 by: Brian J Bland H.S. Questions 5469 by: Tim Brown 5470 by: Rick Hubka 5471 by: Ross R. Youngblood stupid question 5473 by: Tim Brown 5476 by: Hafsteinn Jonasson Handheld Radio Output 5474 by: Laheze.aol.com Static electricity 5477 by: Gognij.aol.com 5478 by: Richard Parker Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 21:42:31 -0400 To: From: "Alexander Gutierrez" Subject: RE: KR> Re Fiberglassing Message-ID: <037f01c0e19d$01b491e0$0100007f@c> The reason the first application of slurry to the foam is to prevent the resin from sucking up the foam and ending up with a dry first fiberglass layer. The resin sticks to the microballoons so it does not flow easily into the foam and thus remains on the surface to wet the first layer. If the resin wasn´t mixed with microballoons, then too much would go into the foam which would increase weight without improving strength. Regards, Alexander ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 12:01 PM Subject: KR> Re Fiberglassing > Steven hit the nail on the head with the slurry. The number one thing is the > micro slurrys lighter weight compared to pure resin. > Pure epoxy will work just fine without micro balloons as far as adhesion but > is a lot heavier than the slurry mixture. Weight is your enemy when building > airplanes of course so the micro balloons are mixed with the resin in order > to lighten it up. I don't mean to make it less serious ! :) > > Larry Howell laheze@aol.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:48:43 -0700 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: surface finish on foam Message-ID: <3B08C85B.866FC8DA@home.com> Hi all. What surface finish is ideal on the foam before I start to fiberglass over it? Carter and Darren KR building and Taylor Mono plane finishing ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 13:49:56 -0500 To: "POND CARTER" , "kr" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> surface finish on foam Message-ID: <000501c0e226$d506c840$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Pond: Use a thick mixture of microballons and resin to seal the surface of the foam. The idea behind being thick is to minimize penetration which adds unwanted weight Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "POND CARTER" To: "kr" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 2:48 AM Subject: KR> surface finish on foam > Hi all. What surface finish is ideal on the foam before I start to > fiberglass over it? > Carter and Darren > KR building and Taylor Mono plane finishing > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 17:00:01 -0700 To: POND CARTER From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: kr Subject: Re: KR> surface finish on foam Message-ID: <3B09AC01.C4875923@home.com> You want to try and remove as much sanding dust as you can. I have used a shop vac and a dust brush to do this. Any dips, bumps you have will show up in the final work, dips are a bit easier to manage than bumps, if you sand too long on a bump, you will sand through the glass. Dips get to be filled. -- Ross POND CARTER wrote: > Hi all. What surface finish is ideal on the foam before I start to > fiberglass over it? > Carter and Darren > KR building and Taylor Mono plane finishing > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 00:38:48 -0400 To: richontheroad@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: pjvisc@netzero.net Subject: DYNEL Message-ID: <3B089BD7.1607A0E8@netzero.net> --------------5A6811EA02D819184CFC48EB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit After receiving info about age of dynel built aircraft and info from seller, I decided not to go look at KR for sale. Owner is second owner and he did wings with dynel and was working on VW eng. He said the ailerons had to be done and "other small things had to be completed". I didn't think a 70 mile trip was worth it. I'll stick with what I have, as a known quantity, even with the peeled back wing skins. Phil --------------5A6811EA02D819184CFC48EB-- NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 22:13:39 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: new KR2 pilot needs training Message-ID: <034d01c0e1a4$0aef6080$91de8e18@600athlon> Those of you who attended the 1999 Gathering might remember Oona Hoch and Marco Reyna. Marco is from Mexico and is finishing up his Corvair powered KR2. He wrote to me looking for somebody to help him get 6-8 hours in a taildragger KR2 so that the Mexican authorities will sign him off to fly his own KR2. Do we have any volunteers, maybe from down Texas way? I suppose we could also share the job between several people in different KRs at the Gathering, an hour at a time. Maybe that would be a good project for the Thursday or Friday at Pine Bluff. He's willing to make a special trip to the US just for some special high intensity training, if somebody wants to volunteer. He's a lightweight guy like me, so weight shouldn't be a problem. His qualifications are below. His email address is kr2mx@hotmail.com . ----------------------------------- I made my first flight, in. Sep. of the 79, and stop to fly for long time, now the authorities (DGAC) they asked me to make the complete course again, and that is making now, I hope to have my license again for ends of Julio, I don't have experience in similar airplanes as Kr, my experience is in cessnas 150, 180, 206, I Believe that with 6 hrs, they allowed me to fly the KR.The total of hours, they are of 210 hrs. and two in the kr with Martín Roberts, in Kentuky in 1999. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 17:21:55 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: N6399U first taxi test Message-ID: <20010520.172156.-228895.0.klw1953@juno.com> Well ,I made it to Reading Airport (RDG) this morning as planned. The weather was quite breezy and overcast which made for a less than perfect day. I did spend about 30 min running up and down the runway though, I was suprised at how squirrly the airplane felt though, not what I expected from a tri-gear. They kept me off of the runway of choice and gave me one where I had to fight a constant cross wind. I had 2 problems mechanically that I will need to address, one was the idle for some reason decided to go no lower than 1500 rpm and the other was my radio, the controller said it sounded weak and scratchy. Any body know what would cause that?---------------------Thanks, Kenny ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 19:51:29 -0700 (PDT) To: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Re: KR> N6399U first taxi test Message-ID: <20010522025129.21133.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kenny, >my radio, > the controller said it sounded weak and scratchy. > Any body know what> would cause that? In order of least expense/hassle to most expense/hassle, I would check: 1. Bad mike. Check with known good mike. 2. Bad antenna. Check with temporary external antenna, or else on known good antenna. 3. Bad radio. Check with known good antenna setup. 4. Bad wiring. Major hassle, but that's PROBABLY it. Try running temporary wire between radio and antenna. 5. You're in the Bermuda Triangle. Change location. Chuck __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 20:54:13 -0700 To: CS From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> N6399U first taxi test Message-ID: <3B09E2E5.2EE97A07@home.com> Kenny, What kind of radio and antenna setup are you using? This would help us give more useless advice. If you have a voltage indicator, are you getting at least 12V out? Perhaps you are not getting enough power to the radio. The Mooney I rent from the flying club had a short in the ignition switch, this gave a low voltage indication, and the Phoenix Approach Control folks would not respond to our radio calls while this situation existed, but would once we cleared the low voltage indication. Also, since I looked up your airport and found it was in PA, I guess you are not in the Bermuda triangle, perhaps you have a scratchy voice? CS wrote: > Hi Kenny, > > >my radio, > > the controller said it sounded weak and scratchy. > > Any body know what> would cause that? > > In order of least expense/hassle to most > expense/hassle, I would check: > > 1. Bad mike. Check with known good mike. > 2. Bad antenna. Check with temporary external > antenna, or else on known good antenna. > 3. Bad radio. Check with known good antenna setup. > 4. Bad wiring. Major hassle, but that's PROBABLY it. > Try running temporary wire between radio and antenna. > 5. You're in the Bermuda Triangle. Change location. > > Chuck > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:31:55 -0400 To: rossy65@home.com From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> N6399U first taxi test Message-ID: <20010522.203156.-213485.0.klw1953@juno.com> Well here's what I 've got: The radio is a used TKM-MX11 that I purchased from an avionics shop at the Reading Airport. It was checked out and working fine at that time. I do have approx 14 volts when the engine is running, but when the engine is shut off it really seems to pull the battery down in a hurry when I push the PTT for any length of time. The battery is nothing special, just a motorcycle battery that will start the large displacement cycles. It has no trouble turning over the Revmaster at all. The head sets are Flight Com 4Dx's, I switched them around and they both sound the same on my new Icom hand held. The antenna is of the ribbon variety that I bought from Wicks (I think), any how it was over $100. OK you guys are next.Thanks------------------Kenny On Mon, 21 May 2001 20:54:13 -0700 "Ross R. Youngblood" writes: > Kenny, > What kind of radio and antenna setup are you using? This would > help > us > give more useless advice. > > If you have a voltage indicator, are you getting at least 12V out? > Perhaps you > are not getting enough power to the radio. The Mooney I rent from > the > flying club > had a short in the ignition switch, this gave a low voltage > indication, > and the Phoenix > Approach Control folks would not respond to our radio calls while > this > situation existed, > but would once we cleared the low voltage indication. > > Also, since I looked up your airport and found it was in PA, I guess > you > are not in > the Bermuda triangle, perhaps you have a scratchy voice? > > > CS wrote: > > > Hi Kenny, > > > > >my radio, > > > the controller said it sounded weak and scratchy. > > > Any body know what> would cause that? > > > > In order of least expense/hassle to most > > expense/hassle, I would check: > > > > 1. Bad mike. Check with known good mike. > > 2. Bad antenna. Check with temporary external > > antenna, or else on known good antenna. > > 3. Bad radio. Check with known good antenna setup. > > 4. Bad wiring. Major hassle, but that's PROBABLY it. > > Try running temporary wire between radio and antenna. > > 5. You're in the Bermuda Triangle. Change location. > > > > Chuck > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 10:58:24 +0200 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> N6399U first taxi test Message-ID: Kenny, The voltage output as well as current output of your battery / alternator setup should be ok. The intercom function should also indicate this: if you hear any "noise" (like ignition) through the headsets, you should look into this. You described your antenna (assuming a purchased antenna should do it) but not the way you connected the antenna. If you placed the antenna anyway far from the radio (like in the wing or stabs) you should use shielded coaxial cable, otherwise the length of cable to connect to the actual antenna will also act as an antenna, loose power and interfere with the antenna. There's an ideal length for every frequency. Also take care to connect the whole lot up using state of the art connectors. If you can, avoid using solder, as it may break due to vibration. A broken connection will be very difficult to trace: at high frequencies, it will still work but not as good as it should. Also check your antenna circuit for short circuits. I think that something of this sort must be wrong as you state that you have problems during taxi, which is in the vicinity of the tower, so it's a matter of finding some obvious problem. The fact that the battery runs down fast may an indication that the transmitter output stage is drawing a lot of current. Hope this helps. I do not have specific knowledge of aviation radio sets, just general electronics knowledge. Feel free to blast (off line). Regards, Peter Nauta > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 2:32 AM > To: rossy65@home.com > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> N6399U first taxi test > > > Well here's what I 've got: The radio is a used TKM-MX11 that I purchased > from an avionics shop at the Reading Airport. It was checked out and > working fine at that time. I do have approx 14 volts when the engine is > running, but when the engine is shut off it really seems to pull the > battery down in a hurry when I push the PTT for any length of time. The > battery is nothing special, just a motorcycle battery that will start the > large displacement cycles. It has no trouble turning over the Revmaster > at all. The head sets are Flight Com 4Dx's, I switched them around and > they both sound the same on my new Icom hand held. The antenna is of the > ribbon variety that I bought from Wicks (I think), any how it was over > $100. OK you guys are next.Thanks------------------Kenny > > On Mon, 21 May 2001 20:54:13 -0700 "Ross R. Youngblood" > writes: > > Kenny, > > What kind of radio and antenna setup are you using? This would > > help > > us > > give more useless advice. > > > > If you have a voltage indicator, are you getting at least 12V out? > > Perhaps you > > are not getting enough power to the radio. The Mooney I rent from > > the > > flying club > > had a short in the ignition switch, this gave a low voltage > > indication, > > and the Phoenix > > Approach Control folks would not respond to our radio calls while > > this > > situation existed, > > but would once we cleared the low voltage indication. > > > > Also, since I looked up your airport and found it was in PA, I guess > > you > > are not in > > the Bermuda triangle, perhaps you have a scratchy voice? > > > > > > CS wrote: > > > > > Hi Kenny, > > > > > > >my radio, > > > > the controller said it sounded weak and scratchy. > > > > Any body know what> would cause that? > > > > > > In order of least expense/hassle to most > > > expense/hassle, I would check: > > > > > > 1. Bad mike. Check with known good mike. > > > 2. Bad antenna. Check with temporary external > > > antenna, or else on known good antenna. > > > 3. Bad radio. Check with known good antenna setup. > > > 4. Bad wiring. Major hassle, but that's PROBABLY it. > > > Try running temporary wire between radio and antenna. > > > 5. You're in the Bermuda Triangle. Change location. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 06:55:53 -0700 To: Kenneth L Wiltrout From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> N6399U first taxi test Message-ID: <3B0BC168.6271950C@home.com> Ken, The ribbon antenna.... can you give us the P/N, we could look at the picture in the Wicks catalog. The first thing that came to mind is that it might be designed for a metal aircraft, and you might need a ground plane. I used a coffee can and cut out a circular piece of aluminum sheet for my ELT and Transponder antenna's to use as a ground plane. I think this is a bit undersize from things I read, but it is better than nothing. I built my antenna using the RST avionics kit. The kit comes with ferrite beads to make a balun, (impedence matching), and you measure two lengths of copper tape to a specific length and position them in a "V" with a specific angle. This works really well for recieve, but I haven't tested the transmit yet. Do you have shielded cable on the runs from your microphone jacks to the input of the radio? This could be picking up noise. You also might want to put a 20uF capacitor across the +14V supply input to the radio, perhaps you are sending them ignition noise when you transmit. -- Ross Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > Well here's what I 've got: The radio is a used TKM-MX11 that I purchased > from an avionics shop at the Reading Airport. It was checked out and > working fine at that time. I do have approx 14 volts when the engine is > running, but when the engine is shut off it really seems to pull the > battery down in a hurry when I push the PTT for any length of time. The > battery is nothing special, just a motorcycle battery that will start the > large displacement cycles. It has no trouble turning over the Revmaster > at all. The head sets are Flight Com 4Dx's, I switched them around and > they both sound the same on my new Icom hand held. The antenna is of the > ribbon variety that I bought from Wicks (I think), any how it was over > $100. OK you guys are next.Thanks------------------Kenny > > On Mon, 21 May 2001 20:54:13 -0700 "Ross R. Youngblood" > writes: > > Kenny, > > What kind of radio and antenna setup are you using? This would > > help > > us > > give more useless advice. > > > > If you have a voltage indicator, are you getting at least 12V out? > > Perhaps you > > are not getting enough power to the radio. The Mooney I rent from > > the > > flying club > > had a short in the ignition switch, this gave a low voltage > > indication, > > and the Phoenix > > Approach Control folks would not respond to our radio calls while > > this > > situation existed, > > but would once we cleared the low voltage indication. > > > > Also, since I looked up your airport and found it was in PA, I guess > > you > > are not in > > the Bermuda triangle, perhaps you have a scratchy voice? > > > > > > CS wrote: > > > > > Hi Kenny, > > > > > > >my radio, > > > > the controller said it sounded weak and scratchy. > > > > Any body know what> would cause that? > > > > > > In order of least expense/hassle to most > > > expense/hassle, I would check: > > > > > > 1. Bad mike. Check with known good mike. > > > 2. Bad antenna. Check with temporary external > > > antenna, or else on known good antenna. > > > 3. Bad radio. Check with known good antenna setup. > > > 4. Bad wiring. Major hassle, but that's PROBABLY it. > > > Try running temporary wire between radio and antenna. > > > 5. You're in the Bermuda Triangle. Change location. > > > > > > Chuck > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > > > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 19:24:52 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Yves Lemelin Subject: Hapi front main bearing Message-ID: <3B085244.CC799619@sympatico.ca> hi guys, I was just about ready for final inspection on my Kr2 and took it to the airport for final assembly and a few ground test. The motor sprung a leak after a taxi run of about 5 minutes. The leak aint that serious but my partner and I decided to get to the bottom of it. As it bled from the front main bearing we wanted to see in what shape it really was. It is a 1986 - 2165cc split heads with dual plugs, Hapi magnum engine with about 5 hrs total. It has a shink fit prop hub wich we managed to pull out. That`s where we think things got wrong. After removal we noticed that a burr was left from the turning at the end of the piece which shaffed the main bearing as the hub was installed and then afterward removed. Measurements for end play and other indicate within tolerance for brand new engine but the main as to come out. My problem is that federal-mogul part # 67021-RA was replaced with part # MB-602G but I dont know for which manufacturer. Do you guys have a souce for this part? It would certainly be a major help to us... Thanks, looking forward to reading you. Yves. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 14:39:43 -0700 To: Mark Langford From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR2S/Corvair cowling Message-ID: <3B08399E.852AAE8E@home.com> Mark, Thanks for the cowling photograps.... couldn't come at a better time. I'm sanding and filling my cowling now. -- Ross Mark Langford wrote: > For those of you wondering how you're going to cowl your Corvair, I offer > the following examples of how nicely the Revmaster fits the Corvair. > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/01051909.jpg > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair/01051912.jpg > > This is just a preliminary look. I'll have to slide the cowling back a tad > by cutting an inch or two off the aft end. The top will require two little > bumps for the intake, and a 1.5" high scoop for the carburetor. Had I > milled off the intake flanges no bump at all would be required. This is > with the thrustline about 2.5" below the top of the top longeron. > Obviously, the bottom needs to be widened 2". A KR2S/Corvair cowling may > fall out of this eventually. More later... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:02:27 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "Bill Gaudlip" Subject: FOAM SURFACE FINISH Message-ID: <007f01c0e20f$6f1c8220$990fddd8@BillGaudlip> ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C0E1ED.E76C3120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Carter and Darren, Take it from experience that you = want your foam surface as free from irregularities as possible. Use what = ever sanding method your comfortable with and grit paper that takes the = least time but gives you the results you want. I think I used 100-120 = grit for final finish over the foam. I even used odd pieces of foam to = sand with to cut radiuses and odd curves in. The smoother the foam the = better your overall finish will be and will save you countless hours of = sanding when it comes time for final finishing. I took my time on my = foam work and I still spent six months sanding getting ready for primer. = Maybe I'm a little pickier than some but everyone whose seen my finish = thought it was made out of metal. That makes you feel real good!! Take = you time and yours will be the same. Good luck and have fun. Just kick = your mind out of gear and kick your arm in!! Bill Gaudlip Hooversville PA ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01C0E1ED.E76C3120-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 14:00:54 -0500 To: "Bill Gaudlip" , "KRNET" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> FOAM SURFACE FINISH Message-ID: <001201c0e228$5d5cb5a0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Carter & Darren: This guy "Bill Gaudlip" is 100 % correct in his advice to you on how to finish your aircraft or rather how to prepare for final paint finish. My partner and I spent many hours sanding our KR-2 years ago and ended up winning first prize at the l977 Air show and fly-in at Chino Airport, California for the best composite. Ours was as slick as a shirt button and we did all that work not to win a prize, but to make it fly faster. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Gaudlip" To: "KRNET" Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:02 AM Subject: KR> FOAM SURFACE FINISH Carter and Darren, Take it from experience that you want your foam surface as free from irregularities as possible. Use what ever sanding method your comfortable with and grit paper that takes the least time but gives you the results you want. I think I used 100-120 grit for final finish over the foam. I even used odd pieces of foam to sand with to cut radiuses and odd curves in. The smoother the foam the better your overall finish will be and will save you countless hours of sanding when it comes time for final finishing. I took my time on my foam work and I still spent six months sanding getting ready for primer. Maybe I'm a little pickier than some but everyone whose seen my finish thought it was made out of metal. That makes you feel real good!! Take you time and yours will be the same. Good luck and have fun. Just kick your mind out of gear and kick your arm in!! Bill Gaudlip Hooversville PA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 12:08:55 -0400 To: pjvisc@netzero.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL Message-ID: <20010521.151032.-296427.4.virgnvs@juno.com> DYNEL not avail now, Virg On Fri, 18 May 2001 23:26:35 -0400 pjvisc@netzero.net writes: > I tried looking in archives for dynel vs fiberglass topic. I > couldn't > find it. Didn't someone recently discuss the pros and cons of each > for > wings ? > > Phil Visconti > Marlboro, MA > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 May 2001 23:55:47 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Brian J Bland" Subject: RE: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL Message-ID: Dynel is definitely still available from Marine suppliers. It doesn't make much cense to use it since it costs about $6.95/yd. Brian J Bland Claremore, OK mailto:bruiser@dellepro.com -----Original Message----- From: virgnvs@juno.com [mailto:virgnvs@juno.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 11:09 AM To: pjvisc@netzero.net Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> FIBERGLASS-DYNEL DYNEL not avail now, Virg On Fri, 18 May 2001 23:26:35 -0400 pjvisc@netzero.net writes: > I tried looking in archives for dynel vs fiberglass topic. I > couldn't > find it. Didn't someone recently discuss the pros and cons of each > for > wings ? > > Phil Visconti > Marlboro, MA > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:00:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: H.S. Questions Message-ID: <20010523000016.81280.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> Netters: I am now ready to glass my elevator and have a couple questions. I am using the Dr. Dean hinge and otherwise building "stock." After I glass the leading edge I plan to cut slots for the bearings and then dig out an area to enable me to get the bolts through. 1. Does this idea sound correct? 2. Should I micro the raw foam after the slots and dig out or glass the area or pure resin the area? I assume doing nothing is incorrect. My thought is to use micro. Thanks. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 18:10:15 -0600 To: "Group KR NET" From: "Rick Hubka" Subject: Re: KR> H.S. Questions Message-ID: <000e01c0e31c$be874760$5f1efea9@cg.shawcable.net> Good timming on the question Tim... I just finished installing all my HS Dr Dean hinges (5 across and 4 up) and am anxious to see a reply to your question. Don't forget the antenna tape for the VS if you are going that route. Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 6:00 PM Subject: KR> H.S. Questions > Netters: > > I am now ready to glass my elevator and have a > couple questions. I am using the Dr. Dean hinge > and otherwise building "stock." > > After I glass the leading edge I plan to cut > slots for the bearings and then dig out an area > to enable me to get the bolts through. > > 1. Does this idea sound correct? > > 2. Should I micro the raw foam after the slots > and dig out or glass the area or pure resin the > area? I assume doing nothing is incorrect. My > thought is to use micro. > > Thanks. > > Tim > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 17:14:42 -0700 To: Tim Brown From: "Ross R. Youngblood" CC: Group KR NET Subject: Re: KR> H.S. Questions Message-ID: <3B0B00F2.B3075023@home.com> Tim, I don't recall Dr Dean's setup exactly, but I guess I would have installed nut plates if possible on the inside of the spar, that way after glassing all you need to do is to screw the rod end into the nut plate the appropriate amount. If you are cutting a slot, you might want to consider some type of removable access cover... After you install the bolts, I would plug the slot with foam and glass it again. I guess I don't understand quite where your slots are. Micro mixed with resin is the best bet for filling, resin only is heavy and doesnt shape too well. If you need strength in the area use cotton flox in the area. -- Ross Tim Brown wrote: > Netters: > > I am now ready to glass my elevator and have a > couple questions. I am using the Dr. Dean hinge > and otherwise building "stock." > > After I glass the leading edge I plan to cut > slots for the bearings and then dig out an area > to enable me to get the bolts through. > > 1. Does this idea sound correct? > > 2. Should I micro the raw foam after the slots > and dig out or glass the area or pure resin the > area? I assume doing nothing is incorrect. My > thought is to use micro. > > Thanks. > > Tim > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 20:06:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: stupid question Message-ID: <20010523030640.1496.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> Is there one (just on one side of the elevator center line) or are there two trim tabs (one on each side of the elevator center line)? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 09:51:00 -0000 To: "Tim Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: haffi@vortex.is (Hafsteinn Jonasson) Subject: Re: KR> stupid question Message-ID: <000901c0e36d$e1140560$d69104c1@c0g3t9> Hi Tim Page 52 in the KR-2 manual says that the trim tab should measure 4*10" and be positioned on either side of elevator (just on one side of elevator center line) Hafsteinn Jonasson, Iceland ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Brown To: Group KR NET Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 3:06 AM Subject: KR> stupid question > Is there one (just on one side of the elevator > center line) or are there two trim tabs (one on > each side of the elevator center line)? > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 May 2001 23:10:31 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: Handheld Radio Output Message-ID: <4b.c084c0a.283c8427@aol.com> Hi all, I used a Icom handheld radio in my Bonanza on the way to Sun n Fun 3 years ago. It was hooked up to my external antenna. There were 7 planes of our group that went together. Everyone said my radio transmissions were clear as a bell but the output was low or rather they could hear me as though I were a long way away. I could hear everyone of them very clearly as well as people in other states as we traveled along. I have never had aircraft radio reception that good, ever! One of them thought I was full of it and finally was ready to junk his King Digitals ( so he said ). I am not an avionics person at all but you may need to add one of the power boosters that some sell that bumps up handheld output. If you are using an Icom and you are getting a scratchy out put then it is probably the antenna or one of the connections. Larry Howell laheze@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:19:42 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Static electricity Message-ID: <22.16769634.283d04de@aol.com> --part1_22.16769634.283d04de_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, I was running the vacuum around the outside of my gas tank cleaning things up a little bit yesterday and I noticed that the hair on my arm was standing up as I reached around the header tank. Has anybody experienced this? I wonder if a static discharge is possible inside of the tank? JimGogniat --part1_22.16769634.283d04de_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 13:05:19 To: Gognij@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Static electricity Message-ID: Fiberglass isnt a good conductor so it can pick up a charge pretty easily. If that is happening I believe the whole aircraft would be positively charged and a spark wouldnt jump from one section inside the tank to another as they would all be at the same potential. You probably remember getting shocked opening car doors however today they put carbon in tires to provide a return path to ground. You still sometimes see some big cadillacs with "dudes" with big white hats that have static discharge strips hanging down from the rear bumper. (they havent caught on yet) You could always attach one to the tail of your airplane while in the hanger :-) When I had a boat I used to take it 60 miles off shore Tuna fishing and on foggy mornings after zipping out there I used to pick up so much static that the fishing rods would make a sizzling sound as they were discharging into the fog. I never wanted to pick them up until they went quiet. The cork or foam handles would insulate them from the rest of the boat which was grounded to the water. I always wondered if I was going to blow up with almost half a ton of fuel on board. Rich Parker Peterborough NH >From: Gognij@aol.com >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Static electricity >Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 08:19:42 EDT > >Hello folks, > > I was running the vacuum around the outside of my gas tank cleaning >things up a little bit yesterday and I noticed that the hair on my arm was >standing up as I reached around the header tank. Has anybody experienced >this? I wonder if a static discharge is possible inside of the tank? >JimGogniat _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************