From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Jun 2001 01:30:20 -0000 Issue 242 Date: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:30 PM krnet Digest 21 Jun 2001 01:30:20 -0000 Issue 242 Topics (messages 5729 through 5758): Rand Robinson ???? 5729 by: E Miller 5731 by: Frank Ross 5737 by: Peter Nauta 5741 by: George Allen Re: KR-2 for Sport Pilots 5730 by: Frank Ross 6399U 5732 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 5733 by: Scott Stanton 5734 by: Schmidt, Curtis 5735 by: Robert X. Cringely 5736 by: Peter Nauta 5739 by: Tom Crawford 5742 by: Bobby Muse 5745 by: Dave and Tina Goodman Wing Mod for Sport KR 5738 by: Manager Bill 5747 by: Frank Ross 5749 by: Doug Peyton 5750 by: Guenther Bryce Oil temps... 5740 by: CS 5746 by: Ed Janssen DIEHL WING SKINS 5743 by: Philip J. Visconti 5744 by: Bobby Muse 5748 by: Robert X. Cringely 5751 by: Jerry Mahurin 5754 by: Tom Crawford 5755 by: Robert X. Cringely 5757 by: Jean Veron Where is it? 5752 by: DClarke351.aol.com Re: Bad News 5753 by: Mark Langford Re: fuel guage 5756 by: bob N6399U 5758 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:02:14 -0000 To: From: "E Miller" Subject: Rand Robinson ???? Message-ID: <000a01c0f8af$6eea7bc0$2723e5d8@ronk> hi all what happened to Rand Robinson Enginering? I,ve been trying to reach them for 3 weeks,voice gets an answering machine and no response from a fax.. :( regards EM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:04:58 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Rand Robinson ???? Message-ID: <20010619180458.15952.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Rand Robinson recently got new addresses and phone numbers. If you are using the below, I don't know what to tell you. Rand Robinson Engineering, Inc. PMB 724 7071 Warner Avenue #F Huntington Beach, CA 92647, USA PH (714) 898-3811 FAX (714) 890-1658 That's what was on an envelope I got from Ms Rand in May. Hope it helps. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:32:30 +0200 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> Rand Robinson ???? Message-ID: Hi, I got Jeanette answering the phone when I called her to inquire about the -S plans supplement. I got the supplement, and apart from the change of address, she's still there... Keep on trying. She'll fax you if you leave a fax number. She was considering getting to use her daughter's e-mail address. Hope she does. Regards, Peter Nauta > -----Original Message----- > From: E Miller [mailto:elmiller@pcisys.net] > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:02 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Rand Robinson ???? > > > hi all > what happened to Rand Robinson Enginering? I,ve been trying to > reach them > for 3 weeks,voice gets an answering machine and no response from a fax.. > :( > > regards > EM > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:50:25 -0400 To: From: "George Allen" Subject: Re: KR> Rand Robinson ???? Message-ID: <011801c0f926$68c3a6a0$97a1dcd8@george> Don't bother calling on Friday. Mrs. Rand is usually not there. It took me about 2 weeks to get her on the phone. keep trying. George Allen GeorgeA@PaOnline.com Harrisburg, PA ----- Original Message ----- From: E Miller To: Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:02 AM Subject: KR> Rand Robinson ???? > hi all > what happened to Rand Robinson Enginering? I,ve been trying to reach them > for 3 weeks,voice gets an answering machine and no response from a fax.. > :( > > regards > EM > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 10:34:08 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 for Sport Pilots Message-ID: <20010619173408.14143.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Doug Peyton wrote: > Frank, > I had to make a little change on something, > and the following story > certainly shows how one thing leads to another.... Doug, As Gilda Radner used to say, "There's always something..." Your experience really points up how easy it is for one small change to keep snow-balling into a huge headache. I know you're awfully busy right now, but, when you get to Germany, will you have the chance to visit any of our European KR builders? Keep us posted and best of luck getting everything done in time. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 14:09:36 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: 6399U Message-ID: <20010619.141417.-215905.4.klw1953@juno.com> Well it's official (Drum Roll)-----99U left the rwy for the first time this morn at around 9 EST. It was fairly uneventfull, however since the temp was around 85 deg I saw my oil temp climb to 220 deg. I didn't remember just what the normal range was so I decided to land after one lap around RDG airport. After it cooled down I took it up one more time and the results were the same, 220 on the oil. What have some of you experienced on an 85 deg day? It does have an oil cooler and I'm not crazy about chopping up my cowl at this point. The stats that I do recall are indicated speed of 135 mph at between 3 and 3200 rpm. Sounds funny but I had my hands full as you can imagine, the oil temp really bothered me. Maybe we'll go for a ride this evening after the heat tails off.----------------------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:24:26 -0700 (PDT) To: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Scott Stanton Subject: Re: KR> 6399U Message-ID: <20010619182426.84029.qmail@web11904.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations!!!! Always glad to hear of new success flights! Remind us of what type of engine you are using and somebody should be able to give you an idea of what normal temps should be. Scott Raleigh, NC --- Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > Well it's official (Drum Roll)-----99U left the rwy > for the first time > this morn at around 9 EST. > It was fairly uneventfull, however since the temp > was around 85 deg I saw > my oil temp climb to 220 deg. I didn't remember just > what the normal > range was so I decided to land after one lap around > RDG airport. After it > cooled down I took it up one more time and the > results were the same, 220 > on the oil. What have some of you experienced on an > 85 deg day? It does > have an oil cooler and I'm not crazy about chopping > up my cowl at this > point. The stats that I do recall are indicated > speed of 135 mph at > between 3 and 3200 rpm. Sounds funny but I had my > hands full as you can > imagine, the oil temp really bothered me. Maybe > we'll go for a ride this > evening after the heat tails > off.----------------------Kenny > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for > less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ===== -- Scott Stanton __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. http://buzz.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 19 Jun 2001 13:23:00 -0700 To: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" , "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Schmidt, Curtis" Subject: RE: KR> 6399U Message-ID: <000A1E78@kaydon.com> Congratulations Ken! Best of luck to ya! Curtis Schmidt -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 2:09 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: cschmidt@kaydon.com Subject: KR> 6399U Well it's official (Drum Roll)-----99U left the rwy for the first time this morn at around 9 EST. It was fairly uneventfull, however since the temp was around 85 deg I saw my oil temp climb to 220 deg. I didn't remember just what the normal range was so I decided to land after one lap around RDG airport. After it cooled down I took it up one more time and the results were the same, 220 on the oil. What have some of you experienced on an 85 deg day? It does have an oil cooler and I'm not crazy about chopping up my cowl at this point. The stats that I do recall are indicated speed of 135 mph at between 3 and 3200 rpm. Sounds funny but I had my hands full as you can imagine, the oil temp really bothered me. Maybe we'll go for a ride this evening after the heat tails off.----------------------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 11:40:09 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> 6399U Message-Id: Oil is oil. Around 180-190 degrees is just right and 220 is too high unless you are running a full synthetic. Since you are using an oil cooler, first make sure that oil is actually getting to the cooler. Once you are sure you have oil flow, the thing to worry about is air getting to the cooler. I'll assume for the moment you are using a VW. If you have a Type III flat oil cooler on top, have you made any provisions for it in your engine baffling? If the cooler is just sitting there on top of the engine without any effort on your part to direct air through it, well the air is just going to go around. So adjust your baffles to make sure that the only way for air to get out is by going through the cooler. The other problem that often happens is the cooler is placed in an area where the air speed is high and the pressure is low. We want pressure, not speed. If your cooler is mounted directly in the blast at the front of the cowling, it is probably in the wrong place. It is better to move it to the back of the engine where it can benefit from the plenum above the engine slowing the air flow and allowing it to increase in pressure. Or, if you are too excited to bother with any of this, just switch to Mobil 1 and go flying (on unleaded mogas, not 100LL -- the synthetics don't scavenge lead and that can lead to serious engine problems). All the best, Bob >Congratulations!!!! > >Always glad to hear of new success flights! > >Remind us of what type of engine you are using and >somebody should be able to give you an idea of what >normal temps should be. > >Scott >Raleigh, NC > >--- Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: >> Well it's official (Drum Roll)-----99U left the rwy >> for the first time >> this morn at around 9 EST. >> It was fairly uneventfull, however since the temp >> was around 85 deg I saw >> my oil temp climb to 220 deg. I didn't remember just >> what the normal >> range was so I decided to land after one lap around >> RDG airport. After it >> cooled down I took it up one more time and the >> results were the same, 220 >> on the oil. What have some of you experienced on an >> 85 deg day? It does >> have an oil cooler and I'm not crazy about chopping >> up my cowl at this >> point. The stats that I do recall are indicated >> speed of 135 mph at >> between 3 and 3200 rpm. Sounds funny but I had my >> hands full as you can >> imagine, the oil temp really bothered me. Maybe >> we'll go for a ride this >> evening after the heat tails >> off.----------------------Kenny >> >________________________________________________________________ >> GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >> Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for >> less! >> Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >> http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >> >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >> krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >> krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> > > >===== >-- >Scott Stanton > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Spot the hottest trends in music, movies, and more. >http://buzz.yahoo.com/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:32:07 +0200 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> 6399U Message-ID: It may not be of relevance, but here goes: Rennie de Leeuw (Cherry flyer) was experiencing high temperatures on his BMW boxer motor, and discovered only after an otherwise uneventful flight to Spain (from the Netherlands) that his temperatures remained high. Only after more research did he discover that the engine was delivered without the necessary thermostat switch in the oil line, so the oil cooler was short circuited and never served a purpose. After correcting that, not any gruelling climb effort could raise the oil temperature, even on a hot day. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 8:10 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> 6399U > > > Well it's official (Drum Roll)-----99U left the rwy for the first time > this morn at around 9 EST. > It was fairly uneventfull, however since the temp was around 85 deg I saw > my oil temp climb to 220 deg. I didn't remember just what the normal > range was so I decided to land after one lap around RDG airport. After it > cooled down I took it up one more time and the results were the same, 220 > on the oil. What have some of you experienced on an 85 deg day? It does > have an oil cooler and I'm not crazy about chopping up my cowl at this > point. The stats that I do recall are indicated speed of 135 mph at > between 3 and 3200 rpm. Sounds funny but I had my hands full as you can > imagine, the oil temp really bothered me. Maybe we'll go for a ride this > evening after the heat tails off.----------------------Kenny > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:14:55 -0400 To: Kenneth L Wiltrout From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> 6399U Message-ID: <3B2FEAFF.212E@ufl.edu> Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > It was fairly uneventfull, however since the temp was around 85 deg I saw > my oil temp climb to 220 deg. I didn't remember just what the normal > range was so I decided to land after one lap around RDG airport. After it > cooled down I took it up one more time and the results were the same, 220 > on the oil. What have some of you experienced on an 85 deg day? I dont think it is unusual, or harmful for the oil temp to get up around 220 after a climb out- especially on an 85 degree day. I think that if you had continued at cruise speed, it would have come down. All the same, it wouldn't hurt to re-check your timing. If it's too far advanced, it will run hot. -- Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying N???TC Wings Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:00:53 -0500 To: Kenneth L Wiltrout From: Bobby Muse CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> 6399U Message-ID: <3B3003D5.41804D2E@ev1.net> Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: > Well it's official (Drum Roll)-----99U left the rwy for the first time > this morn at around 9 EST. > It was fairly uneventfull, however since the temp was around 85 deg I saw > my oil temp climb to 220 deg. I didn't remember just what the normal > range was so I decided to land after one lap around RDG airport. After it > cooled down I took it up one more time and the results were the same, 220 > on the oil. What have some of you experienced on an 85 deg day? It does > have an oil cooler and I'm not crazy about chopping up my cowl at this > point. The stats that I do recall are indicated speed of 135 mph at > between 3 and 3200 rpm. Sounds funny but I had my hands full as you can > imagine, the oil temp really bothered me. Maybe we'll go for a ride this > evening after the heat tails off.----------------------Kenny Way to go, Kenny! I had the same problem(temps) as you until I opened up the bottom of the canopy to allow more air to exit the cowling. Also, at the same time, I wrapped the exhaust pipes with fiber tape used in racing to keep the heat in the exhaust pipes and out of the engine compartment. Ever since, no more oil temp problems. By the way, I don't like but I don't worry(alot) about a oil temp of 220 degrees. If you look inside a general aviation airplane you'll see that the oil temp is green lined until about 142 degrees. The ideal temp in cruise is 190 to 195 degrees. Good Luck! Bobby Muse ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 20:40:58 -0700 To: From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Re: KR> 6399U Message-ID: <007601c0f93a$d24301c0$8345a6d1@oemcomputer> Ken, Great job, and more importantly, good headwork to come back to the field after slipping the surly bonds for so short a time. I hope I have the same level-headed approach when I do it! CONGRATULATIONS! Dave "Zipper" Goodman> > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 15:53:52 +0000 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Manager Bill Subject: Wing Mod for Sport KR Message-ID: <3B2F758E.322A0C53@nm.net> REPLY TO FRANK ROSS AND ALL Frank, you are exactly right: just extend the wing ribs so the trailing edge is 24 inches further aft and the wing root chord is 72 inches instead of 48. Yep, this puts it pretty close to the horizontal stab, and you probably need to increase the stab area, but not as much as you might think because the aerodynamic center of the wing got moved backward 6 inches. The only reason I suggested raising the top of the wing all the way from the max thickness point was because of appearance. I’d bet the airflow wouldn’t notice it much if you simply extended the upper surface back from the top of the rear spar, but it would look more like a kluge job. And there is no law that says the rear spar has to be as deep as the rib. The whole point was to increase the wing area without changing any of the spars. Yep, it's crude, but it does the job. Sweet Old Bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 21:53:49 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Wing Mod for Sport KR Message-ID: <20010620045349.21473.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Sweet Old Bill, Thanks. I know you said it was crude, but simple. My concern with the rear spar and slope of the top of the wing was that I thought the fiberglass on the top of the wing had to be in direct contact with the top of both spars. I was assuming (not necessarily correctly) that would mean enlarging the ENTIRE rear spar, but, you could just raise the portion OUTSIDE of the fuselage, which would not cause the problems inside the plane that a larger rear spar would cause. Now, are you saying the wing would still work aerodynamically if you simply extend on a line from, say the top of the existing rear spar to a point 24" further back from the original trailing edge? Wont this change the airfoil? Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. Curious George in San Antonio __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:07:36 +0200 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Doug Peyton" Subject: Re: KR> Wing Mod for Sport KR Message-ID: I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to just make the wing long enough to achieve the slower speed. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 10:43:47 -0700 (PDT) To: Manager Bill , kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> Wing Mod for Sport KR Message-ID: <20010620174347.29904.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Whats all this wing mod stuff Bill? The 39 knot stall speed needs to be understood for the Sport KR requirement alot more clearly. Say this question to yourself Bill. How is the FAA going to prove or determine what anybody's sport aircraft will stall at? Then ask this question if your KR is flying with pee wee slim jim that weights 100 lbs and is flying the KR with 20 minutes of fuel and can demonstrate to himself (solo) a 39 kt stall speed power on with a climb prop and qualify the aircraft for the Sport category. What happens when pee wee slim jim sells that same KR to balluga Bubba that weights 320 lb, tops the fuel in the tank and go's fly'n. balluga Bubba demonstrates to himself that the KR he is fly'n now stalls at 45 kt's. Does the FAA have a right to recend that KR as a Sport aircraft? Not likely. The problems with the Sport category are not unlike the ultralights everybody knows that alot heavier 254lb ultralights are fly'n around and everywhere and no FAA person (prevents them). So the same thing is going to happen with KR sport aircraft that stall above 39 kts and qualify within all the other sport aircraft category without resonable difficulty. The speed limit is pretty pathetic to impose after all alot of things go faster in a decending cruise. So lets hear some discussion as to how KR builders plan to be Sport aircraft builders and convince the FAA that yep this baby is a sport aircraft and she sure will stall at 39 kts. (tongue in cheek) Sir. And I sure will fly it with that power limiting throttle stop in place (until I get a chance to take it off after it is certified). How can honesty prevail in the sport category when the specifications are not practically defined and are subject to violating. For all practicality people just want to fly their machine and not be haunted with rediculous number goals so why the heck rebuild your KR wing and screw it all up! Bryce Guenther KR builder private pilot, A & P, Aeronautical Engineer. --- Manager Bill wrote: > REPLY TO FRANK ROSS AND ALL > > Frank, you are exactly right: just extend the wing > ribs so the trailing > edge is 24 inches further aft and the wing root > chord is 72 inches > instead of 48. Yep, this puts it pretty close to the > horizontal stab, > and you probably need to increase the stab area, but > not as much as you > might think because the aerodynamic center of the > wing got moved > backward 6 inches. > > The only reason I suggested raising the top of the > wing all the way from > the max thickness point was because of appearance. > I’d bet the airflow > wouldn’t notice it much if you simply extended the > upper surface back > from the top of the rear spar, but it would look > more like a kluge job. > And there is no law that says the rear spar has to > be as deep as the > rib. The whole point was to increase the wing area > without changing any > of the spars. Yep, it's crude, but it does the job. > > Sweet Old Bill > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 17:21:50 -0700 (PDT) To: Kenneth L Wiltrout , krnet@mailinglists.org From: CS Subject: Oil temps... Message-ID: <20010620002150.20811.qmail@web13902.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Kenneth, Iy you are using a VW engine, Great Plains gives the oil temp operational limits as 160-230 degrees F., cruise at 200 F., for their conversion. Here's the link: http://www.greatplainsas.com/pg55btm.html Hope this helps. Chuck PS...Congrats on first flight. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 23:33:57 -0500 To: "CS" , "Kenneth L Wiltrout" , From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> Oil temps... Message-ID: <002101c0f942$385f47a0$0200a8c0@dad> Ken, Someone may have suggested this, but another thing to check is the accuracy of your oil temp. sensor/gauge. Some have been known to be off more than a few degrees. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: "CS" To: "Kenneth L Wiltrout" ; Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 7:21 PM Subject: KR> Oil temps... > Hi Kenneth, > > Iy you are using a VW engine, Great Plains gives the > oil temp operational limits as 160-230 degrees F., > cruise at 200 F., for their conversion. > > Here's the link: > > http://www.greatplainsas.com/pg55btm.html > > Hope this helps. > > Chuck > > PS...Congrats on first flight. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:42:35 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: DIEHL WING SKINS Message-ID: <20010619.224237.-221027.0.viscan@juno.com> I'm having a problem getting krnet-archive. Who has installed the Diehl wing skins on their KR ? Without going into another discussion of epoxy vs vinylester, what was used to attach skins ? Phil Visconti ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:34:27 -0500 To: "Philip J. Visconti" From: Bobby Muse CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS Message-ID: <3B3019C3.21291E94@ev1.net> "Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > I'm having a problem getting krnet-archive. Who has installed the Diehl > wing skins on their KR ? Without going into another discussion of epoxy > vs vinylester, what was used to attach skins ? > > Phil Visconti Vinylester. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:07:26 -0700 To: From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS Message-Id: WRONG, but thanks for playing. The Diehl skins are made with vinylester resin but vinylester is not good for secondary bonds. I've built two Glasairs with vinylester and know about these things. Epoxy is far better glue. But best of all is Hysol paste adhesive (Aircraft Spruce part number 02-18600) which is used to glue together the glass and carbon parts of Lancairs. Bob >"Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > >> I'm having a problem getting krnet-archive. Who has installed the Diehl >> wing skins on their KR ? Without going into another discussion of epoxy >> vs vinylester, what was used to attach skins ? >> >> Phil Visconti > >Vinylester. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:08:08 To: viscan@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS Message-ID: Phil, Vinylester Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC >From: "Philip J. Visconti" >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS >Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 22:42:35 -0400 > >I'm having a problem getting krnet-archive. Who has installed the Diehl >wing skins on their KR ? Without going into another discussion of epoxy >vs vinylester, what was used to attach skins ? > >Phil Visconti >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 19:12:49 -0400 To: "Robert X. Cringely" From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS Message-ID: <3B312DF1.5216@ufl.edu> Robert X. Cringely wrote: > > WRONG, but thanks for playing. > > The Diehl skins are made with vinylester resin but vinylester is not > good for secondary bonds. I've built two Glasairs with vinylester > and know about these things. Epoxy is far better glue. But best of > all is Hysol paste adhesive (Aircraft Spruce part number 02-18600) > which is used to glue together the glass and carbon parts of Lancairs. > > Bob Bob, Seems to me, when I installed my Diehl wing skins, Dan said to use Vinylester mixed with flox. Now I'm getting old, and my memory tends to be weak, but I'm pretty sure that's what I did. 2TC's been flyin' that way for 200 hours now. How many hours are on "old blue" now? ?????? Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying N???TC Wings Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 16:35:24 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS Message-Id: Vinylester is not good when used as glue. Yes, Dan Diehl recommends it and it gets by, but it is not a good solution when pretty much any epoxy is better. The instructions aren't always right. Bob >Robert X. Cringely wrote: >> >> WRONG, but thanks for playing. >> >> The Diehl skins are made with vinylester resin but vinylester is not >> good for secondary bonds. I've built two Glasairs with vinylester >> and know about these things. Epoxy is far better glue. But best of >> all is Hysol paste adhesive (Aircraft Spruce part number 02-18600) >> which is used to glue together the glass and carbon parts of Lancairs. >> >> Bob > >Bob, > >Seems to me, when I installed my Diehl wing skins, Dan said to use >Vinylester mixed with flox. Now I'm getting old, and my memory tends to >be weak, but I'm pretty sure that's what I did. 2TC's been flyin' that >way for 200 hours now. How many hours are on "old blue" now? > >?????? > > >Tom Crawford >Gainesville, FL >N262TC Flying >N???TC Wings >Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 20:29:58 -0500 To: "Robert X. Cringely" , "krnet" From: "Jean Veron" Subject: Re: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0F9C7.C6B172A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The reason Dan recommends Vynilester is that epoxey does not bond well to= Vinylester. I have personally seen the results of using epoxy with his w= ing skins. You can pull them off of the spars with your hands without muc= h trouble. I am also building a Glasair IIS and they do not recomend usin= g anything but Vynilester for the construction in their plans. We'll stay= with the plans. Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert X. Cringely Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 6:47 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> DIEHL WING SKINS Vinylester is not good when used as glue. Yes, Dan Diehl recommends it and it gets by, but it is not a good solution when pretty much any epoxy is better. The instructions aren't always right. Bob >Robert X. Cringely wrote: >> >> WRONG, but thanks for playing. >> >> The Diehl skins are made with vinylester resin but vinylester is not >> good for secondary bonds. I've built two Glasairs with vinylester >> and know about these things. Epoxy is far better glue. But best of >> all is Hysol paste adhesive (Aircraft Spruce part number 02-18600) >> which is used to glue together the glass and carbon parts of Lancairs= . >> >> Bob > >Bob, > >Seems to me, when I installed my Diehl wing skins, Dan said to use >Vinylester mixed with flox. Now I'm getting old, and my memory tends to >be weak, but I'm pretty sure that's what I did. 2TC's been flyin' that >way for 200 hours now. How many hours are on "old blue" now? > >?????? > > >Tom Crawford >Gainesville, FL >N262TC Flying >N???TC Wings >Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C0F9C7.C6B172A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:09:35 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: DClarke351@aol.com Subject: Where is it? Message-ID: <114.92359e.28626b0f@aol.com> Can anyone tell me what happened to the KR net on Aol? I am not getting hardly any of the letters that have been posted. Don Clarke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 17:33:26 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Cc: Subject: Fw: Bad News Message-ID: <001f01c0f9d9$063eeae0$d2f6f818@cmc3075662a> ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: Bad News > KR N9296M has been claimed by a west texas dust devil. It hit when I was just > about to touch down. The plane was blown off of the runway and flipped upside > down. I walked away with only a minor cut on my hand. It was not a very nice > flying experience. It was destroyed. To make matters worse the battery > shorted out as it was being carried back to the hanger by a front end loader > and caught fire. What a mess. It has now gone to KR heaven (the airport > dumster) I inclose a picture. http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dclarkeKR.jpg >Don Clarke > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2001 21:17:32 -0400 To: "dene.collett" , "Krnet" From: "bob" Subject: Re: KR> fuel guage Message-ID: <010601c0f9ef$f3195ec0$02000003@i4t4j9> Cool idea! how about this, place a non metalic tube in the fiberglass tank aginst the side wall. put a float in it with a small magnet on top of the float. the tube would be open at both ends and allow the float to travel up and down but still control latteral movement HMMMMMMM now i might not sleep through the news ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2001 18:14:14 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: N6399U Message-ID: <20010620.213135.-176979.4.klw1953@juno.com> Just an update on the oil temp problem: I called Joe at Revmaster, he said I must cut a small opening in the front of the cowl to introduce the air directly to the oil cooler, he called it a little smile about 5/8x4 or 5" long. The cooler on these engines when feed ram air will cool an engine in a climb on a 100 deg day and keep the oil temps at 200 or less.-----------Kenny ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************