From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 18 Jul 2001 02:31:01 -0000 Issue 255 Date: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 7:31 PM krnet Digest 18 Jul 2001 02:31:01 -0000 Issue 255 Topics (messages 5996 through 6025): Re: William Wynne in Critical Condition 5996 by: David Mullins Re: KR and soob engines 5997 by: Richard Parker 5999 by: patrick james 6006 by: Wayne McMullen 6008 by: Richard Parker 6025 by: Wayne McMullen William 5998 by: Dave and Tina Goodman horse trader 6000 by: Vernon C SOOB Choice 6001 by: Sam Sayer 6002 by: Sam Sayer 6003 by: Sam Sayer 6004 by: Sam Sayer 6011 by: patrick james Com radio noise 6399U 6005 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Wing attach fitting question 6007 by: Dave Vieira 6009 by: Frank Ross 6012 by: Mark Langford 6014 by: Robert Stone 6016 by: Mark Langford 6018 by: Sam Sayer 6019 by: Richard Parker 6020 by: Mark Langford 6022 by: Peter Nauta 6024 by: Robert Stone Website Update 6010 by: David Mullins Lower RPMs ? 6013 by: patrick james Re: Starter motor 6015 by: Mark Langford KR kit/parts for FREE 6017 by: Andrew Van Schaack Re: End of an Era, Kelly AFB is closed today 6021 by: bob Free kit/parts spoken for... 6023 by: Andrew Van Schaack Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 07:37:27 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> William Wynne in Critical Condition Message-ID: <3B52D1F7.438F5B18@mediaone.net> Phil, From the picture on the link Mark Jones left, it looks like it was William's pietenpol. There is the one piece of metal with an engine turning finish that looks like William's top cowling. I know William and I had our differences expressed on this list But, I wish him the best and hope he recovers soon. David Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com mailto:n323xl@mediaone.net "Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > Mark, > > I checked FAA records and James Guldi has registered a "Tailwind" and 2 > other planes. Do you know if this is the aircraft they were flying ? > > Phil > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:41:51 To: Krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines Message-ID: I was going to use the EA-81 soob setup and built one however If i were to do a soob again I would use a direct drive EJ-22 for about the same weight and turning at slower speeds. I have yet to see a fast KR with a EA-81 setup, direct drive or redux. I ended up getting a basically brand new corvair engine for $208 so I sold the Soob, although its a great engine. If you are interested I have a contact who converts them for real cheap money. He alsomakes Trikes and Gyrocopter parts for a lot of the other manufacturers. Rich Parker http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm >From: "Sam Sayer" >To: >Subject: KR> KR and soob engines >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:24:49 -0400 > >Hello to all on the net: > >This is my first posting. >I am building a KR-2SS from scratch which is 24" longer than the 2S. >I plan to use an E81 Soob engine with a belt drive. >I subscribe to "Contact magazine" and have both issues of "Alternate >Engines" books. >I need all the help I can get from all others who are using the Soob >engine. >I would like to get all the information on other homebuilt intake manifolds >that are being used and also what radiators are working best. I prefer the >lost cost radiators. >All modifications I can handle. > >I have for sale an "Eggenfellner Gear Reduction drive" set up for an E81 >Soob. Cost >$2,195.00 plus shipping USA dollars cash, no checks. A matched starter will >be included >at no extra cost. > >I will be going to the KR-Gathering in Pine Bluff in September and I will >bring the gear drive with me for those interested. I will answer and thank >all the help I receive. > >Karibird37@msn.com > >Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : >http://explorer.msn.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:04:42 -0400 To: "Richard Parker" , From: "patrick james" Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines Message-ID: <017601c10e11$32bf1120$664f87d1@default> I intend to go the direct drive route my self .While it's not anybody's business what funds an individual wants to pump into his project , probably the most attractive part of a KR project is how inexpensive it can be ...going with a redrive would really change things for many of us ! If I could casually sign a cheque for some thing from say Marcotte , I should be able to aim a little higher and try for perhaps an RV -4? Not having an overall "game plan " could keep one on the ground for years longer than necessary ! Sam ; If you've got the CONTACT books , you must have read the story/article by Kenneth Rogers ....does anyone know how to get a hold of him ? The listed number doesn't work . ( He is using a Legacy in a " ProTech " ) ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Parker To: Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:41 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > I was going to use the EA-81 soob setup and built one however If i were to > do a soob again I would use a direct drive EJ-22 for about the same weight > and turning at slower speeds. I have yet to see a fast KR with a EA-81 > setup, direct drive or redux. I ended up getting a basically brand new > corvair engine for $208 so I sold the Soob, although its a great engine. If > you are interested I have a contact who converts them for real cheap money. > He alsomakes Trikes and Gyrocopter parts for a lot of the other > manufacturers. > > Rich Parker > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > > >From: "Sam Sayer" > >To: > >Subject: KR> KR and soob engines > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:24:49 -0400 > > > >Hello to all on the net: > > > >This is my first posting. > >I am building a KR-2SS from scratch which is 24" longer than the 2S. > >I plan to use an E81 Soob engine with a belt drive. > >I subscribe to "Contact magazine" and have both issues of "Alternate > >Engines" books. > >I need all the help I can get from all others who are using the Soob > >engine. > >I would like to get all the information on other homebuilt intake manifolds > >that are being used and also what radiators are working best. I prefer the > >lost cost radiators. > >All modifications I can handle. > > > >I have for sale an "Eggenfellner Gear Reduction drive" set up for an E81 > >Soob. Cost > >$2,195.00 plus shipping USA dollars cash, no checks. A matched starter will > >be included > >at no extra cost. > > > >I will be going to the KR-Gathering in Pine Bluff in September and I will > >bring the gear drive with me for those interested. I will answer and thank > >all the help I receive. > > > >Karibird37@msn.com > > > >Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > >http://explorer.msn.com > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:51:48 -0700 To: "patrick james" , "Richard Parker" , From: "Wayne McMullen" Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines Message-ID: <003701c10ec7$9fa00630$82020118@C53209A> How do you obtain the horsepower from the engine with the lower RPM? Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "patrick james" To: "Richard Parker" ; Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:04 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > I intend to go the direct drive route my self .While it's not anybody's > business what funds an individual wants to pump into his project , probably > the most attractive part of a KR project is how inexpensive it can be > ...going with a redrive would really change things for many of us ! If I > could casually sign a cheque for some thing from say Marcotte , I should be > able to aim a little higher and try for perhaps an RV -4? Not having an > overall "game plan " could keep one on the ground for years longer than > necessary ! Sam ; If you've got the CONTACT books , you must have read the > story/article by Kenneth Rogers ....does anyone know how to get a hold of > him ? The listed number doesn't work . ( He is using a Legacy in a " > ProTech " ) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Parker > To: > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:41 PM > Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > > > > I was going to use the EA-81 soob setup and built one however If i were to > > do a soob again I would use a direct drive EJ-22 for about the same weight > > and turning at slower speeds. I have yet to see a fast KR with a EA-81 > > setup, direct drive or redux. I ended up getting a basically brand new > > corvair engine for $208 so I sold the Soob, although its a great engine. > If > > you are interested I have a contact who converts them for real cheap > money. > > He alsomakes Trikes and Gyrocopter parts for a lot of the other > > manufacturers. > > > > Rich Parker > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > > > > >From: "Sam Sayer" > > >To: > > >Subject: KR> KR and soob engines > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:24:49 -0400 > > > > > >Hello to all on the net: > > > > > >This is my first posting. > > >I am building a KR-2SS from scratch which is 24" longer than the 2S. > > >I plan to use an E81 Soob engine with a belt drive. > > >I subscribe to "Contact magazine" and have both issues of "Alternate > > >Engines" books. > > >I need all the help I can get from all others who are using the Soob > > >engine. > > >I would like to get all the information on other homebuilt intake > manifolds > > >that are being used and also what radiators are working best. I prefer > the > > >lost cost radiators. > > >All modifications I can handle. > > > > > >I have for sale an "Eggenfellner Gear Reduction drive" set up for an E81 > > >Soob. Cost > > >$2,195.00 plus shipping USA dollars cash, no checks. A matched starter > will > > >be included > > >at no extra cost. > > > > > >I will be going to the KR-Gathering in Pine Bluff in September and I will > > >bring the gear drive with me for those interested. I will answer and > thank > > >all the help I receive. > > > > > >Karibird37@msn.com > > > > > >Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:03:12 To: cmcmullen@home.com, Krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines Message-ID: I guess it all depends how much horsepower you are looking for. Rich >From: "Wayne McMullen" >To: "patrick james" , "Richard Parker" >, >Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:51:48 -0700 > >How do you obtain the horsepower from the engine with the lower RPM? > >Wayne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "patrick james" >To: "Richard Parker" ; >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:04 AM >Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > > > > I intend to go the direct drive route my self .While it's not anybody's > > business what funds an individual wants to pump into his project , >probably > > the most attractive part of a KR project is how inexpensive it can be > > ...going with a redrive would really change things for many of us ! If I > > could casually sign a cheque for some thing from say Marcotte , I should >be > > able to aim a little higher and try for perhaps an RV -4? Not having an > > overall "game plan " could keep one on the ground for years longer than > > necessary ! Sam ; If you've got the CONTACT books , you must have read >the > > story/article by Kenneth Rogers ....does anyone know how to get a hold >of > > him ? The listed number doesn't work . ( He is using a Legacy in a " > > ProTech " ) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Richard Parker > > To: > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:41 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > > > > > > > I was going to use the EA-81 soob setup and built one however If i >were >to > > > do a soob again I would use a direct drive EJ-22 for about the same >weight > > > and turning at slower speeds. I have yet to see a fast KR with a EA-81 > > > setup, direct drive or redux. I ended up getting a basically brand >new > > > corvair engine for $208 so I sold the Soob, although its a great >engine. > > If > > > you are interested I have a contact who converts them for real cheap > > money. > > > He alsomakes Trikes and Gyrocopter parts for a lot of the other > > > manufacturers. > > > > > > Rich Parker > > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > > > > > > >From: "Sam Sayer" > > > >To: > > > >Subject: KR> KR and soob engines > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:24:49 -0400 > > > > > > > >Hello to all on the net: > > > > > > > >This is my first posting. > > > >I am building a KR-2SS from scratch which is 24" longer than the 2S. > > > >I plan to use an E81 Soob engine with a belt drive. > > > >I subscribe to "Contact magazine" and have both issues of "Alternate > > > >Engines" books. > > > >I need all the help I can get from all others who are using the Soob > > > >engine. > > > >I would like to get all the information on other homebuilt intake > > manifolds > > > >that are being used and also what radiators are working best. I >prefer > > the > > > >lost cost radiators. > > > >All modifications I can handle. > > > > > > > >I have for sale an "Eggenfellner Gear Reduction drive" set up for an >E81 > > > >Soob. Cost > > > >$2,195.00 plus shipping USA dollars cash, no checks. A matched >starter > > will > > > >be included > > > >at no extra cost. > > > > > > > >I will be going to the KR-Gathering in Pine Bluff in September and I >will > > > >bring the gear drive with me for those interested. I will answer and > > thank > > > >all the help I receive. > > > > > > > >Karibird37@msn.com > > > > > > > >Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:31:25 -0700 To: "Richard Parker" , From: "Wayne McMullen" Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines Message-ID: <002101c10f31$be111810$82020118@C53209A> Let me rephrase the question. How much horsepower will you obtain from a soob engine at the lower RPM? Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Parker" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:03 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > I guess it all depends how much horsepower you are looking for. > > Rich > > >From: "Wayne McMullen" > >To: "patrick james" , "Richard Parker" > >, > >Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > >Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 06:51:48 -0700 > > > >How do you obtain the horsepower from the engine with the lower RPM? > > > >Wayne > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "patrick james" > >To: "Richard Parker" ; > >Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 9:04 AM > >Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > > > > > > > I intend to go the direct drive route my self .While it's not anybody's > > > business what funds an individual wants to pump into his project , > >probably > > > the most attractive part of a KR project is how inexpensive it can be > > > ...going with a redrive would really change things for many of us ! If I > > > could casually sign a cheque for some thing from say Marcotte , I should > >be > > > able to aim a little higher and try for perhaps an RV -4? Not having an > > > overall "game plan " could keep one on the ground for years longer than > > > necessary ! Sam ; If you've got the CONTACT books , you must have read > >the > > > story/article by Kenneth Rogers ....does anyone know how to get a hold > >of > > > him ? The listed number doesn't work . ( He is using a Legacy in a " > > > ProTech " ) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Richard Parker > > > To: > > > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 12:41 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR> KR and soob engines > > > > > > > > > > I was going to use the EA-81 soob setup and built one however If i > >were > >to > > > > do a soob again I would use a direct drive EJ-22 for about the same > >weight > > > > and turning at slower speeds. I have yet to see a fast KR with a EA-81 > > > > setup, direct drive or redux. I ended up getting a basically brand > >new > > > > corvair engine for $208 so I sold the Soob, although its a great > >engine. > > > If > > > > you are interested I have a contact who converts them for real cheap > > > money. > > > > He alsomakes Trikes and Gyrocopter parts for a lot of the other > > > > manufacturers. > > > > > > > > Rich Parker > > > > http://top.monad.net/~theparkers/kr.htm > > > > > > > > >From: "Sam Sayer" > > > > >To: > > > > >Subject: KR> KR and soob engines > > > > >Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2001 13:24:49 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Hello to all on the net: > > > > > > > > > >This is my first posting. > > > > >I am building a KR-2SS from scratch which is 24" longer than the 2S. > > > > >I plan to use an E81 Soob engine with a belt drive. > > > > >I subscribe to "Contact magazine" and have both issues of "Alternate > > > > >Engines" books. > > > > >I need all the help I can get from all others who are using the Soob > > > > >engine. > > > > >I would like to get all the information on other homebuilt intake > > > manifolds > > > > >that are being used and also what radiators are working best. I > >prefer > > > the > > > > >lost cost radiators. > > > > >All modifications I can handle. > > > > > > > > > >I have for sale an "Eggenfellner Gear Reduction drive" set up for an > >E81 > > > > >Soob. Cost > > > > >$2,195.00 plus shipping USA dollars cash, no checks. A matched > >starter > > > will > > > > >be included > > > > >at no extra cost. > > > > > > > > > >I will be going to the KR-Gathering in Pine Bluff in September and I > >will > > > > >bring the gear drive with me for those interested. I will answer and > > > thank > > > > >all the help I receive. > > > > > > > > > >Karibird37@msn.com > > > > > > > > > >Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : > > > > >http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 06:51:15 -0700 To: "KR-POST" From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: William Message-ID: <004101c10dfe$62d58820$8a45a6d1@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C10DC3.B58D3A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was at William's hangar last week and looked at his Piet. One wing = had been damaged by a friend of his who scrapped it on the ground, but = otherwise it looked fine. It does look like his plane, or one like it, = in the photo. Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman =20 ------=_NextPart_000_003E_01C10DC3.B58D3A80-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 12:51:04 -0500 To: From: "Vernon C" Subject: horse trader Message-ID: <005601c10e1f$e274b940$4dd602cf@production04> ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C10DF5.F925D7C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looking for a guy who has a KR1 project in the Carlsbad area goes by the = name of Horse Trader.Anyone out there know how to get in contact with = him??? ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01C10DF5.F925D7C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:53:13 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: SOOB Choice Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C10E28.90FA7BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A friend of mine bought a Sonari & disassembled it. He had the local gar= age rebuild the VW engine ($500.00) then decided not to use the VW and so= ld it for $1000.00. He then decided to go SOOB and paid Art Luther of La= keland to install an EA81 SOOB with one of his reduction belt drives on t= he Sonari fuselage. I later mounted a radiator with shielding on it and t= he engine ran quite well. Then he decided he did not want it and wanted m= e to buy it. Not me. =20 Prior to this event I had decided that I wanted a larger KR. Could not g= et the money out of my present KR2, so I scraped it out and salvaged that= I could use on the new KR2SS . Sold out what was left of the fuselage a= nd came out money ahead. =20 The fellow that bought the fuselage will not be named for obvious reasons= , Later he worked out a deal for the above SOOB with reduct. belt drive a= nd radiator. He then mounted it the KR with the radiator hung below then= engine. He then wrapped the engine and radiator with chicken wire and s= prayed it with instant foam for the most horrible cowling that I had ever= seen. The engine was then mated with a 3 blade Warp Drive prop. He then made se= veral passes on the grass strip and at an indicated 70mph lifted off for = a few feet only on the stub wings . ( To me that's a NO NO.) The next da= y he asked me if I would taxi it up the hill to the grass strip, which I = obliged. After I had set the brakes and pushed in half throttle this baby= wanted to lead off the ground, more power than I had ever expected. Since I had by this time decided to go with the new airfoil, he taled me = out of my old wings for a reasonable price. He later flew the plane seve= ral times. My impression of the SOOB Engine seemed so much better than the Revmaster= that I had on it. So am sold on the SOOB with the Belt Drive. As far = as topend goes I don't think I need a 200 MPH plane. karibird37@msn.com Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C10E28.90FA7BA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 18:59:37 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Fw: SOOB Choice Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C10E29.759F32A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Sayer Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 6:53 PM To: KR Mailing Lists Subject: SOOB Choice =20 A friend of mine bought a Sonari & disassembled it. He had the local gar= age rebuild the VW engine ($500.00) then decided not to use the VW and so= ld it for $1000.00. He then decided to go SOOB and paid Art Luther of La= keland to install an EA81 SOOB with one of his reduction belt drives on t= he Sonari fuselage. I later mounted a radiator with shielding on it and t= he engine ran quite well. Then he decided he did not want it and wanted m= e to buy it. Not me. =20 =20 Prior to this event I had decided that I wanted a larger KR. Could not g= et the money out of my present KR2, so I scraped it out and salvaged that= I could use on the new KR2SS . Sold out what was left of the fuselage a= nd came out money ahead. =20 =20 The fellow that bought the fuselage will not be named for obvious reasons= , Later he worked out a deal for the above SOOB with reduct. belt drive a= nd radiator. He then mounted it the KR with the radiator hung below then= engine. He then wrapped the engine and radiator with chicken wire and s= prayed it with instant foam for the most horrible cowling that I had ever= seen. =20 The engine was then mated with a 3 blade Warp Drive prop. He then made se= veral passes on the grass strip and at an indicated 70mph lifted off for = a few feet only on the stub wings . ( To me that's a NO NO.) The next da= y he asked me if I would taxi it up the hill to the grass strip, which I = obliged. After I had set the brakes and pushed in half throttle this baby= wanted to lead off the ground, more power than I had ever expected. =20 Since I had by this time decided to go with the new airfoil, he taled me = out of my old wings for a reasonable price. He later flew the plane seve= ral times. =20 My impression of the SOOB Engine seemed so much better than the Revmaster= that I had on it. So am sold on the SOOB with the Belt Drive. As far = as topend goes I don't think I need a 200 MPH plane. =20 karibird37@msn.com =20 Sam Sayer Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.c= omGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com ------=_NextPart_001_0003_01C10E29.759F32A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 19:03:49 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Fw: SOOB Choice Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C10E2A.0C2EE620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Sayer Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 6:53 PM To: KR Mailing Lists Subject: SOOB Choice =20 A friend of mine bought a Sonari & disassembled it. He had the local gar= age rebuild the VW engine ($500.00) then decided not to use the VW and so= ld it for $1000.00. He then decided to go SOOB and paid Art Luther of La= keland to install an EA81 SOOB with one of his reduction belt drives on t= he Sonari fuselage. I later mounted a radiator with shielding on it and t= he engine ran quite well. Then he decided he did not want it and wanted m= e to buy it. Not me. =20 =20 Prior to this event I had decided that I wanted a larger KR. Could not g= et the money out of my present KR2, so I scraped it out and salvaged that= I could use on the new KR2SS . Sold out what was left of the fuselage a= nd came out money ahead. =20 =20 The fellow that bought the fuselage will not be named for obvious reasons= , Later he worked out a deal for the above SOOB with reduct. belt drive a= nd radiator. He then mounted it the KR with the radiator hung below then= engine. He then wrapped the engine and radiator with chicken wire and s= prayed it with instant foam for the most horrible cowling that I had ever= seen. =20 The engine was then mated with a 3 blade Warp Drive prop. He then made se= veral passes on the grass strip and at an indicated 70mph lifted off for = a few feet only on the stub wings . ( To me that's a NO NO.) The next da= y he asked me if I would taxi it up the hill to the grass strip, which I = obliged. After I had set the brakes and pushed in half throttle this baby= wanted to lead off the ground, more power than I had ever expected. =20 Since I had by this time decided to go with the new airfoil, he taled me = out of my old wings for a reasonable price. He later flew the plane seve= ral times. =20 My impression of the SOOB Engine seemed so much better than the Revmaster= that I had on it. So am sold on the SOOB with the Belt Drive. As far = as topend goes I don't think I need a 200 MPH plane. =20 karibird37@msn.com =20 Sam Sayer Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.c= omGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.ms= n.com ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C10E2A.0C2EE620-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:29:45 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Soob choice Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10E3E.6ECEEAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sarry about the 3 sendings my sent, she did not think they had been poste= d due to our carrier had cut us off twice during the transaction. Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10E3E.6ECEEAA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:10:46 -0400 To: "Sam Sayer" , "KR Mailing Lists" From: "patrick james" Subject: Re: KR> SOOB Choice Message-ID: <066b01c10edb$5d464ec0$514f87d1@default> Gee ... maybe you should name this character ; so I can quickly head in the other direction if I see him coming ! ...chicken wire and instant foam !?! I believe the tendency to turn under full power while attempting a high speed run , is a factor of wing span .That he was able to control his "craft" without wings is remarkable ! I 'd like to hear him tell more of his exploits -- from a safe distance !----- Original Message ----- From: Sam Sayer To: KR Mailing Lists Sent: Monday, July 16, 2001 6:53 PM Subject: KR> SOOB Choice A friend of mine bought a Sonari & disassembled it. He had the local garage rebuild the VW engine ($500.00) then decided not to use the VW and sold it for $1000.00. He then decided to go SOOB and paid Art Luther of Lakeland to install an EA81 SOOB with one of his reduction belt drives on the Sonari fuselage. I later mounted a radiator with shielding on it and the engine ran quite well. Then he decided he did not want it and wanted me to buy it. Not me. Prior to this event I had decided that I wanted a larger KR. Could not get the money out of my present KR2, so I scraped it out and salvaged that I could use on the new KR2SS . Sold out what was left of the fuselage and came out money ahead. The fellow that bought the fuselage will not be named for obvious reasons, Later he worked out a deal for the above SOOB with reduct. belt drive and radiator. He then mounted it the KR with the radiator hung below then engine. He then wrapped the engine and radiator with chicken wire and sprayed it with instant foam for the most horrible cowling that I had ever seen. The engine was then mated with a 3 blade Warp Drive prop. He then made several passes on the grass strip and at an indicated 70mph lifted off for a few feet only on the stub wings . ( To me that's a NO NO.) The next day he asked me if I would taxi it up the hill to the grass strip, which I obliged. After I had set the brakes and pushed in half throttle this baby wanted to lead off the ground, more power than I had ever expected. Since I had by this time decided to go with the new airfoil, he taled me out of my old wings for a reasonable price. He later flew the plane several times. My impression of the SOOB Engine seemed so much better than the Revmaster that I had on it. So am sold on the SOOB with the Belt Drive. As far as topend goes I don't think I need a 200 MPH plane. karibird37@msn.com Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2001 23:00:48 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Com radio noise 6399U Message-ID: <20010716.230049.-341631.0.klw1953@juno.com> Still got com radio noise (Squealing) when I push the PTT. Radio works fine when the bird is not running, but once started the squealing cuts me out. I got a good ground at the radio. Do I need a resistor or something?????????-----Kenny It's got a TKM MX11, the engine is a 2100D ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 07:38:37 -0700 (PDT) To: KRnet From: Dave Vieira Subject: Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: <20010717143837.51634.qmail@web11005.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, Is it possible to use a diffrent try for steel such as maybe : 4140 or 4340 rather then the 4130, due the the price of it here in Canada it will cost me about $78.51 per fitting. .. owch :p Thanks ===== Dave Vieira Ontario, Canada __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 08:06:12 -0700 (PDT) To: KRnet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: <20010717150612.13493.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dave Vieira wrote: > Hello all, > > Is it possible to use 4140 or 4340 rather then the 4130, it will cost me about $78.51 > per fitting. .. owch :p > Dave Vieira > Ontario, Canada > Dave, Shop around. I've managed to collect 3 sets of wing attach fittings in the last 9 months. I am sure you can find some, already made, available at less than what you're looking at for one piece(?). I'm hanging onto what I have until I see if I need a spare. At that price wouldn't it be better and easier to order them from RR? Are you building a KR2 or 2S? ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:51:00 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: <002001c10ee0$a9499700$d400a8c0@athlon600> > 4140 or 4340 rather then the 4130, due the the price > of it here in Canada it will cost me about $78.51 per > fitting. .. owch : Did you ask Dr. Dean at dcollette@wi.rr.com if he has any left? $285 sounds a lot cheaper than what you describe. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/tet/ . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:06:50 -0500 To: "Dave Vieira" , "KRnet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: <001201c10ef3$a32d95c0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Dave: Why not buy the steel here from Aircraft Spruce of one of the many supply houses and have a machine shop in your area of Canada make them up or do it yourself. I made a complete set for Richard McCall with 4130 steel from Aircraft Spruce for less than $100.00. Of course this was the cost of the steel since I charged him nothing for labor (He is a friend). All you need in the way of tools is a table saw with a steel cutting blade, a drill press with the right size bits, and a file and reamer. Good luck with your project. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Vieira" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: KR> Wing attach fitting question > Hello all, > > Is it possible to use a diffrent try for steel such as > maybe : > > 4140 or 4340 rather then the 4130, due the the price > of it here in Canada it will cost me about $78.51 per > fitting. .. owch :p > > Thanks > > ===== > Dave Vieira > Ontario, Canada > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:08:49 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: <006401c10ef3$ea7b8590$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Bob Stone wrote: > from Aircraft Spruce for less than $100.00. Of course this was the cost of > the steel since I charged him nothing for labor (He is a friend). All you > need in the way of tools is a table saw with a steel cutting blade, a drill > press with the right size bits, and a file and reamer. And how many hours did it take you to make these 32 wing attach fittings? How many table saw blades and drill bits did you burn up? I remember a guy who started making his own, and eventually figured that it would cost him about twice as much to make them as it would to buy them. I'm not really trying to sell any WAFs (I'm not sure that we even have any at the moment), I'm just trying to warn you that it's not exactly a bed of roses working with 4130N. You're more than welcome to give it a shot and report back to us though. It all depends on what your time is worth to you... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 15:50:29 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10ED8.343CA900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To all conserned : There is another and easier way of making the attacked fittings if you ha= ve a milling machine. I cut all my strips to size, length & width on my = milling machine using a 5 1/2" carbide table saw blade. All edges were s= mooth just had to knock off the sharp edges with a file. The ends were be= lt sanded to round out the ends where needed. The 16 main spar straps a= re all clamped together, drilled & reamed as identical parts. The smalle= r straps were done likewise and the ends were angled per instructions. Al= l were made from 1/8" of 4130 steel. I was able to do this in about 8 hou= rs of work of a 2 day period. This is the 3rd set I've made this way. I w= as able to minimize the amount of steel needed to make them this way. My= straps are all made per the KR2 deminisions. I don't know if thereare an= y changes for the KR2S. =20 Sam Sayer karibird37@msn.com =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 3:27 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question =20 Bob Stone wrote: > from Aircraft Spruce for less than $100.00. Of course this was the cos= t of > the steel since I charged him nothing for labor (He is a friend). All = you > need in the way of tools is a table saw with a steel cutting blade, a drill > press with the right size bits, and a file and reamer. And how many hours did it take you to make these 32 wing attach fittings? How many table saw blades and drill bits did you burn up? I remember a g= uy who started making his own, and eventually figured that it would cost him about twice as much to make them as it would to buy them. I'm not really trying to sell any WAFs (I'm not sure that we even have any at the moment= ), I'm just trying to warn you that it's not exactly a bed of roses working with 4130N. You're more than welcome to give it a shot and report back t= o us though. It all depends on what your time is worth to you... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.orgGet more from= the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C10ED8.343CA900-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:28:12 To: langford@hiwaay.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: Mark, I dont know if many of us on this can honestly make that statement regarding time, considering the amount of time we already have in our KR's. At a piddly rate of of $20/hour we could buy some real nice aircraft for the amount of time we have in our KR's. I'd calculate your time on your KR at about $140 Grand. BTW if you will work for $20/hour I'll pay to relocate your family and buy you a house in NH to come work for me :-) Rich Parker >From: "Mark Langford" >How many table saw blades and drill bits did you burn up? I remember a guy >who started making his own, and eventually figured that it would cost him >about twice as much to make them as it would to buy them. I'm not really >trying to sell any WAFs (I'm not sure that we even have any at the moment), >I'm just trying to warn you that it's not exactly a bed of roses working >with 4130N. You're more than welcome to give it a shot and report back to >us though. It all depends on what your time is worth to you... > >Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama >mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 16:22:16 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: <007401c10f06$8eed47a0$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Rich Parker wrote: > I'd calculate your time on your KR at > about $140 Grand. Well you've certainly got me there. I guesstimate I have about $112,000 in labor, and $18,000 in materials, not counting all the parts that I've thrown away and the time I've spent redesigning stuff. And people think KRs are cheap transportation.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2001 00:19:00 +0200 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists. Org" From: "Peter Nauta" Subject: RE: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: ...just don't tell your wife....or she'll be doing a great garage sale next saturday... :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 11:22 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question > > > Rich Parker wrote: > > > I'd calculate your time on your KR at > > about $140 Grand. > > Well you've certainly got me there. I guesstimate I have about > $112,000 in > labor, and $18,000 in materials, not counting all the parts that > I've thrown > away and the time I've spent redesigning stuff. And people think KRs are > cheap transportation.... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 21:01:17 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , "KRnet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question Message-ID: <000b01c10f2d$89dd2100$ebd8fea9@pavilion> I have no idea how long I spent making the WAF's for Richard. I am retired and have all the time in the world so I do what I please with my time. As for cutting the parts out on a table saw, I used a carbide blade and it wore down from 10 inches when new to 7 & 1/4. The drill bits I used are of the best quality and did have to be sharpened some during the process. The range of home builders goes from those who prefer to spend as little time building as possible I guess because they would rather fly than build. Others like to design and build making everything from raw materials. I am some where in between. Langford is right about the fact that WAF's are not easy to make but there are many parts of the KR aircraft that are not easy to make. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2001 2:08 PM Subject: Re: KR> Wing attach fitting question > Bob Stone wrote: > > > from Aircraft Spruce for less than $100.00. Of course this was the cost > of > > the steel since I charged him nothing for labor (He is a friend). All you > > need in the way of tools is a table saw with a steel cutting blade, a > drill > > press with the right size bits, and a file and reamer. > > And how many hours did it take you to make these 32 wing attach fittings? > How many table saw blades and drill bits did you burn up? I remember a guy > who started making his own, and eventually figured that it would cost him > about twice as much to make them as it would to buy them. I'm not really > trying to sell any WAFs (I'm not sure that we even have any at the moment), > I'm just trying to warn you that it's not exactly a bed of roses working > with 4130N. You're more than welcome to give it a shot and report back to > us though. It all depends on what your time is worth to you... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 11:59:54 -0400 To: krnet From: David Mullins Subject: Website Update Message-ID: <3B5460FA.A3F55666@mediaone.net> Netters, Here is the next update to my website. The assembly of my Rocky Mountain Micro Monitor. Go to my site and click on the update page. that will take you to the monitor assembly pages. http://n323xl.iwarp.com I have to do something while my fuselage is in storage. The new hangars at Nashua are still a few weeks away. they were supposed to be finished by December, Last Year. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com n323xl@mediaone.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 13:23:00 -0400 To: From: "patrick james" Subject: Lower RPMs ? Message-ID: <074c01c10ee5$4743a640$514f87d1@default> ------=_NextPart_000_0749_01C10EC3.99FD2400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wayne ; It's not much of a trick . For example , that fellow Lynn Elsner = used a 58" prop on the direct drive Legacy in his Europa . His maximum = rpm he writes , is 3500 - well below the peak torque ( 4300 to 4400 ) = ....yet he was getting decent performance in a considerably larger = aircraft ! My main goal in this area , is to get that peak at a lower = rpm .I am aware of tip speed limitations , plus the fact that I've stuck = ( so far ) with the folding gear... 52 inches - should allow me up to = 3800 rpm . I believe one hundred horses is within reach .The stock = runners are over a foot long . I believe that doubling that length is = the ticket for someone like myself , who intends to avoid electronics = .Lynn seems unconcerned about length , as he did use a computer... check = out the SDS website . Do some research guy : I think that you'll notice = folks are SLOWLY coming around to the realization that even the soobs = can't be " flogged " along at 4500 + rpm without a price ! How well = will the front webbing at the out put shaft hold up ? Some venders will = tell you that the EA - 81 is stronger in that area ...yeah I would = definitely stay away from any abrupt maneuvers ... ------=_NextPart_000_0749_01C10EC3.99FD2400-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 14:14:00 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Starter motor Message-ID: <000d01c10ef4$a3a9ae20$d400a8c0@athlon600> Mac Wood wrote: > Thanks for your inputs,re starter motor solenoid. I had a separate starter > solenoid for the original Bendix -will this be redundant now or should I > keep it in the circuit? Mac, My starter solenoid draws 11 amps, which means I'd need a 14 ga wire to operate it from the panel without a relay. The question is can your switch handle 11 amps? Most automotive starter switches can't. Mine says it's good for only one amp, so I'll use a relay. They're designed to use a starter relay out in the engine compartment to protect the switch from excessive current. It's a lot easier to replace a relay than an ignition switch, and the current path is much shorter that way. If you have a beefy enough switch (good for more than your bendix solenoid draws) then you're good to go, but I wouldn't count on that being the case... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 12:29:14 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: Andrew Van Schaack Subject: KR kit/parts for FREE Message-id: <3B54920B.C34948D@mac.com> Hello, I purchased a complete KR2 kit (see description below) in 1985, built it to the "boat" stage, then abandoned it. All the parts have been in dark, dry, clean storage ever since. I have no intention of finishing the airplane but don't have the time to "properly" advertise and sell the kit--I am offering it to you for free. (If there are no takers, I'm hauling everything down to the dump--a real shame.) You can continue the kit, use the parts as spares, sell it to the "next guy", etc. The conditions are: - You must take everything (you can throw away or sell what you don't want) - You are responsible for picking it up from the storage facility in San Leandro, California (I'll meet you there...) - We must complete this transaction within the next two weeks (I am moving out of state at the end of the July) Pass this offer along to anyone you wish--I simply want don't want this kit to go to waste. Andy Van Schaack andrewvs@mac.com (650) 621-0070 =-=-=-=-=-= PARTS LIST 1 premolded turtledeck 1 premolded canopy frame 1 (solar gray) canopy 1 premolded forward deck & instrument panel 1 set Dan Diehl wing skins 1 Spruce Kit (not raw stock--plane is in "boat" stage) 5 sheets mahogany plywood 1 sheet birch plywood 1 aluminum extrusion kit 1 wing attach fittings 1 tail spring 1 tail wheel 1 wheels& brake kit (tires & tubes) 1 axle kit 1 cable & pulleys kit 1 steel firewall 1 rudder pedal kit 1 bolt kit 1/2 foam kit 1/2 fiberglass 1 set epoxy 1 set 5 minute epoxy 1 gas cap 1 canopy latches 1 cowl fastners 1 flap handle 1 seat 1 KR-2 plans 1 fuel tank 1 turnbuckle kkit 1 piano hinges =-=-=-=-=-= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 18:01:27 -0400 To: "Frank Ross" , "krnet" From: "bob" Subject: Re: KR> End of an Era, Kelly AFB is closed today Message-ID: <004a01c10f0c$08011f40$02000003@i4t4j9> Not Just a nice piece of history, but what we are all about, and some of our roots. thank you Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2001 17:21:58 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: Andrew Van Schaack Subject: Free kit/parts spoken for... Message-id: <3B54D6A6.DDC0837B@mac.com> Hello again, This e-mail is a follow-up to the offer made earlier today for a free KR-2 kit. The first positive response to the offer was accepted. Best wishes to all of you, Andy ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************