From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Jul 2001 13:50:01 -0000 Issue 259 Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 6:50 AM krnet Digest 25 Jul 2001 13:50:01 -0000 Issue 259 Topics (messages 6102 through 6131): Re: Sureform tool... 6102 by: Sam Sayer 6110 by: Ron Eason 6114 by: Daniel Heath Wing attachment bolts 6103 by: Serge F. VIDAL Tie-down idea 6104 by: Serge F. VIDAL 6112 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 6124 by: Serge F. VIDAL 6125 by: Philip J. Visconti Re: seats 6105 by: Philip J. Visconti 6111 by: anthony soldano Horse Power at Low RPM - ( Shorten Runners ) 6106 by: Daniel Heath 6107 by: Jan Laan 6115 by: Daniel Heath Re: VIRUS ALERT!! 6108 by: Ron Eason Re: Straight leged landing gear 6109 by: DennisMingear.netscape.net Surform tool 6113 by: Oscar Zuniga Re: KR, Sanding 6116 by: Robert Stone 6117 by: Garland, Norm F 6121 by: Robert Stone 6122 by: Garland, Norm F OFF TOPIC, fatalities going to Oshkosh 6118 by: Frank Ross Re: KR, Sanding OFF TOPIC 6119 by: Frank Ross Foamex Safety Foam 6120 by: Richard Parker Re: fly in 6123 by: TERRY CHIZEK Turtledeck 6126 by: Philip J. Visconti 6128 by: Frank Ross annual fly-in at Oshkosh 6127 by: Ron Eason Temporary good-bye 6129 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 6130 by: Frank Ross Re: KR-2 for sale 6131 by: Frank Ross Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 15:34:06 -0400 To: "CS" , "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Re: KR> Sureform tool... Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1138C.E8C41BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Theese Sureform tools are made in different shapes, flat, half round, rou= nd and curved, =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: CS Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 3:22 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Sureform tool... =20 Hi Steve, A Sureform is a tool that looks like a regular wood plane (NOT a wood airplane!), except that instead of having a single blade for shaving wood, the entire bottom surface is sorta like a big-ass wood file on steroids. It's made by Stanley, mine is part # 21-285. I got it at Ace Hdwe (75% off during a store "garage sale"), you can get one at any place that has a decent selection of Stanley tools, about 7-8 bucks. Chuck --- Steve Glover wrote: > What is a Sureform tool and where can I find one??? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.orgGet more from= the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1138C.E8C41BC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:57:10 -0700 To: "CS" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Sureform tool... Message-ID: <00b201c113f4$b897ab20$40151a41@Administration> Its a autobody fiberglass filler file and can be purchased at any auto parts store. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "CS" To: Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:20 PM Subject: KR> Sureform tool... > Hi Steve, > > A Sureform is a tool that looks like a regular wood > plane (NOT a wood airplane!), except that instead of > having a single blade for shaving wood, the entire > bottom surface is sorta like a big-ass wood file on > steroids. It's made by Stanley, mine is part # > 21-285. I got it at Ace Hdwe (75% off during a store > "garage sale"), you can get one at any place that has > a decent selection of Stanley tools, about 7-8 bucks. > > Chuck > > --- Steve Glover wrote: > > What is a Sureform tool and where can I find one??? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:22:33 -0400 To: "Ron Eason" , "CS" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Sureform tool... Message-ID: <003d01c1142b$527f2ca0$da2b5d0c@scana.com> Another neat tool to look for in the auto parts store is a Bondo sandpaper holder. It has a handle on each end with an easy on and off clip for the sandpaper. The best part is that it has just the right flex to sand over those curves. It is the best and cheapest sander I have ever found. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: "CS" ; Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:57 PM Subject: Re: KR> Sureform tool... > Its a autobody fiberglass filler file and can be purchased at any auto > parts store. > > KRRon > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "CS" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 12:20 PM > Subject: KR> Sureform tool... > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > A Sureform is a tool that looks like a regular wood > > plane (NOT a wood airplane!), except that instead of > > having a single blade for shaving wood, the entire > > bottom surface is sorta like a big-ass wood file on > > steroids. It's made by Stanley, mine is part # > > 21-285. I got it at Ace Hdwe (75% off during a store > > "garage sale"), you can get one at any place that has > > a decent selection of Stanley tools, about 7-8 bucks. > > > > Chuck > > > > --- Steve Glover wrote: > > > What is a Sureform tool and where can I find one??? > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:38:19 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Wing attachment bolts Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C113BF.CA5C1C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Could anybody tell me what is the dimension of the wing attachment bolts, according to the plans? Serge VIDAL ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C113BF.CA5C1C40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:38:16 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Tie-down idea Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C113BF.C8C94740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking at an idea to securely tie down my KR2 when parked outdoors. I came with a very simple idea. Since it has got fixed gear, the main gear struts (spring steel) are bolted through the fuselage to their support pieces, by four 10mm bolts each. I am simply going to make one of these bolts slightly longer, install it head-up, screw the locknut as before, then use the extra length below the fuselage to screw an eye nut. Not as convenient as a middle-wing attachment point, Piper Cherokee-like, but at least, it will provide two good attach points without any major modification. Serge VIDAL ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C113BF.C8C94740-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:35:08 -0700 To: , From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Re: KR> Tie-down idea Message-ID: <003a01c113fa$0585efa0$3644a6d1@oemcomputer> Serge, A few months back someone wrote about a windstorm that hit the field where he had his plane tied down. Many of the aircraft were damaged when wind managed to get enough leverage under the wings to lift them, despite being tied down. This individual's KR was undamaged, in his opinion, due to the fact that his tiedown points were near the wingtips. I do not have firsthand experience in this area, but I am planning to put my tiedown points near the tips after reading that e-mail. Just another thought to consider. Any others out there? Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:43:38 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: FW: KR> Tie-down idea Message-ID: OK, OK. My fault, I should have explained more. My KR2 is built and flying, and I don't feel like opening the wings just to fit tie-down points. So, my idea is for people in the same situation (wings built already) who think this is better than nothing. Now, of course, if I was building, I would: 1) Try not to forget to put tie-down points, 2) Put them close to the wing tip. My other idea was to make straps that would brace the wingtips, but in case of strong wind, this is going to damage the surface by friction. Serge VIDAL ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Philip J. Visconti [mailto:viscan@juno.com] Sent: 23 July, 2001 10:52 PM To: svidal@icon.co.za Subject: Re: KR> Tie-down idea Yes, and you can feel secure in the knowledge that a stronger than slight wind will ruin the wing tips. Look at the distance from where you want to mount tie down ring and end of wing. Tie downs would be better on main wing fwd spar about one foot in from tip, depending upon location of outer wing rib. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:31:12 -0400 To: svidal@icon.co.za From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: FW: KR> Tie-down idea Message-ID: <20010724.203635.-75231.0.viscan@juno.com> Serge, There may be another way. A Molloy bolt might work. After bolt is inserted in hole, its case expands to hold in place. The largest I've seen had a 3/8 inch screw. I don't know if they make any larger but this should be sufficient. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 16:49:15 -0400 To: kirkland@vianet.on.ca From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org, viscan@juno.com Subject: Re: KR> seats Message-ID: <20010723.165136.-316849.0.viscan@juno.com> Bill, I asked the A&P at the local airport and he said the seat rails for the 150 would probably be just right. Now does anyone know specifics about rails ? Such as length and weight ? Also a supplier that might have some rails ? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 23:01:47 -0400 To: , "Philip J. Visconti" From: "anthony soldano" Cc: , Subject: Re: KR> seats Message-ID: <000801c113ec$fb92dc40$abeb1440@compaq> you might want to call a vw shop they have aftermarket seat rails that are universal and san fit most seats with little mods if any -----Original Message----- From: Philip J. Visconti To: kirkland@vianet.on.ca Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org ; viscan@juno.com Date: Monday, July 23, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: Re: KR> seats >Bill, > >I asked the A&P at the local airport and he said the seat rails for the >150 would probably be just right. Now does anyone know specifics about >rails ? Such as length and weight ? Also a supplier that might have some >rails ? > >Phil > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 19:43:56 -0400 To: "patrick james" , "krnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Horse Power at Low RPM - ( Shorten Runners ) Message-ID: <001201c113d1$577d3300$312b5d0c@scana.com> Horse power at different RPM. You might want to read some of this. It is lengthy, so I pasted the significant paragraph here. Go to the link for the entire lecture. http://www.n2performance.com/lectures/lect5/lecture005-10.asp "In particular, we found that primary pipe diameter and length are critical to where in the rpm range torque is produced. As I said in the story, 'Primary pipe diameter closely dictates the speed of the exhaust gas exiting the engine. This exhaust gas speed directly affects the peak torque rpm point.' What this means is the larger the pipe diameter {all else being equal}, the slower the exhaust gas speed will be. I also noted, 'This tends to push the peak torque to a higher rpm.' Of course, as you would expect, a smaller pipe diameter tends to lower peak torque rpm. Changing pipe length tends to rotate or shift the torque curve about this peak rpm point. For example, increasing length adds torque below the peak and removes it from above. Shortening the pipes does the opposite." Dan WWW.EAA242.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 17:06:07 -0700 To: "Daniel Heath" ,"patrick james" , "krnet" From: Jan Laan Subject: Re: KR> Horse Power at Low RPM - ( Shorten Runners ) Message-ID: <99593317601@smtp.vphos.net> Hallo, There is a considerable doubt in my mind that the details mentioned in the article would have any significant effect in an operating range of 2800-3500 . These guys are talking 6000 plus where fluid mechanics is playing a major role if you want to squeeze a few more horses. I would think that if you mentioned 3000 rpm to the author,apparently a noted expert, he would look at you like a monkey would at the interior of a rusty watch. My 1 cent worth. Jan At 07:43 PM 7/23/01 -0400, Daniel Heath wrote: >Horse power at different RPM. You might want to read some of this. It is >lengthy, so I pasted the significant paragraph here. Go to the link for the >entire lecture. > >http://www.n2performance.com/lectures/lect5/lecture005-10.asp > >"In particular, we found that primary pipe diameter and length are critical >to where in the rpm range torque is produced. As I said in the story, >'Primary pipe diameter closely dictates the speed of the exhaust gas exiting >the engine. This exhaust gas speed directly affects the peak torque rpm >point.' What this means is the larger the pipe diameter {all else being >equal}, the slower the exhaust gas speed will be. I also noted, 'This tends >to push the peak torque to a higher rpm.' Of course, as you would expect, a >smaller pipe diameter tends to lower peak torque rpm. Changing pipe length >tends to rotate or shift the torque curve about this peak rpm point. For >example, increasing length adds torque below the peak and removes it from >above. Shortening the pipes does the opposite." > >Dan > >WWW.EAA242.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:26:37 -0400 To: "patrick james" , "krnet" , "Jan Laan" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Horse Power at Low RPM - ( Shorten Runners ) Message-ID: <003e01c1142b$594296d0$da2b5d0c@scana.com> The main reason that I think it is applicable is because an engine running at a low RPM would have less capability for getting the fuel to flow than would one running at a high RPM, therefore, anything you can do to help out that "slow" breather, would increase the HP. Dan www.eaa242.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Laan" To: "Daniel Heath" ; "patrick james" ; "krnet" Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 8:06 PM Subject: Re: KR> Horse Power at Low RPM - ( Shorten Runners ) > Hallo, > > There is a considerable doubt in my mind that the details mentioned > in the article would have any significant effect in an operating range of > 2800-3500 . > These guys are talking 6000 plus where fluid mechanics is playing > a major role if you want to squeeze a few more horses. > > I would think that if you mentioned 3000 rpm to the author,apparently > a noted expert, he would look at you like a monkey would at the interior of > a rusty watch. > > My 1 cent worth. > > Jan > > At 07:43 PM 7/23/01 -0400, Daniel Heath wrote: > >Horse power at different RPM. You might want to read some of this. It is > >lengthy, so I pasted the significant paragraph here. Go to the link for the > >entire lecture. > > > >http://www.n2performance.com/lectures/lect5/lecture005-10.asp > > > >"In particular, we found that primary pipe diameter and length are critical > >to where in the rpm range torque is produced. As I said in the story, > >'Primary pipe diameter closely dictates the speed of the exhaust gas exiting > >the engine. This exhaust gas speed directly affects the peak torque rpm > >point.' What this means is the larger the pipe diameter {all else being > >equal}, the slower the exhaust gas speed will be. I also noted, 'This tends > >to push the peak torque to a higher rpm.' Of course, as you would expect, a > >smaller pipe diameter tends to lower peak torque rpm. Changing pipe length > >tends to rotate or shift the torque curve about this peak rpm point. For > >example, increasing length adds torque below the peak and removes it from > >above. Shortening the pipes does the opposite." > > > >Dan > > > >WWW.EAA242.org > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 20:54:26 -0700 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Fw: VIRUS ALERT!! Message-ID: <00a901c113f4$569c5b00$40151a41@Administration> I just received this note and believe it's from a reliable source. Just be careful of any e-mail with the following attributes. Be sure of your e-mail sources. KRRon To: "Ronald R. Eason Sr." Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:45 AM Subject: VIRUS ALERT!! > FYI > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Reihs, Richard > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 11:06 AM > To: EVERYONE > Subject: VIRUS ALERT > Importance: High > > Greetings > > The Informatiion Services Department would like everyone to be aware of > a Virus Alert. > > Virus Information: > TROJ_SIRCAM.A is a new Trojan that is currently spreading in the wild. > It propagates via email by sending copies of itself to all addresses > listed > in the infected user's address book. The Trojan arrives in an email with > a > random subject line and attachment. > > Subject: (random subject line, with the same name as the attachment) > Message body: (The body could be either in Spanish or English) > Hi! 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Thanks > > > The IS department is taking every precaution to ensure that this virus > does not interfere Healthnet's > operations by using virus scanners at the email server. > > However, there are some steps you must do to assist us in preventing an > outbreak. > 1) Never bring data disks from outside sources to be used on the > comapany desktop system. > > 2) Be specificially suscpicious of mail from an outside mail box, i.e. > hotmail.com, juno.com, > yahoo.com. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 21:58:34 -0400 To: Richard Selix , POND CARTER From: DennisMingear@netscape.net Cc: kr Subject: RE: Re: KR> Straight leged landing gear Message-ID: <49808E2F.0E962DED.5363BC18@netscape.net> Maybe this has been mentioned already, but Tony Bingelis shows how to do this in "SPORTPLANE CONSTUCTION TECHNIQUES" on pages 240 and 244. Dennis... Richard Selix wrote: >Darren: >The gear on the AR5 was copied from the George Periera designed gear >for his GP4. It's simple, but effective. > >Richard Selix > >POND CARTER wrote: > >> Knetter's >> >> After viewing AR-5 video "what makes it go so fast". one of the ideas >> was to have shock absorber style landing gear. Reason was to keep it out >> of the prop wash. Logical so has any one seen or know of a good design. >> As I can make just about anything at work, machining is not a >> question.(given enough time that is!) :) >> Darren >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:37:28 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Surform tool Message-ID: Just my 2 cents on using the Stanley "Surform" tool: the one I settled on is about 6" long and is shaped sort of like a small hand plane and is used exactly that way. They make some that are shaped like a rasp with a handle, some in other shapes bigger and smaller, but the business part is the "blade". Just picture a steel cheese grater with finer teeth (quite sharp, too), and you have it. I use mine for rough shaping foam. It will really do a quick job of hogging out big cuts of foam to rough shape. So much so that you can fly right past the point that you wanted to shape down to. Don't ask me how I know. Anyway, I started using the Surform after shaping various areas and surfaces using hand sanding blocks of various grits- and wearing myself down doing it. Once I heard about the Surform and got a feel for how it works (it will gouge and dig in if you hit the foam at the wrong angle or with the wrong pressure), things really speeded up. I just can't use it inside the shop- stuff gets everywhere. I take it outside on the driveway and use the shop vac afterwards. I agree with the person who suggested shaping and glassing one side of a foam surface first, leaving the back side heavy and blocky. It does add stiffness to sand against, and once you get one side glassed, it is much easier to sand the opposite side as thin as you want. If you try to work the foam to final thickness by sanding both sides and then glassing, you'll have a very flexible surface and it will be difficult to sand without bowing. Don't ask me how I know that thin foam is flexible, but remember how I said I have extensive experience with SuperFil too? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:58:32 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR, Sanding Message-ID: <001c01c11440$58b1e300$ebd8fea9@pavilion> GlacierNetters: After reading all the traffic concerning sanding I must add my 2 cents worth. Using a small sander on any surface will produce an uneven surface. The best way to avoid this is glue a piece of very course sandpaper to a long board and use it on wings, tail feathers and even the turtle deck from front to rear. When sanding filets, wrap sandpaper around a beer can or like object and it will produce a nice curve. Bob Stone, Harked Heights, TX rlspjs@dashlink.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:08:15 -0400 To: "'Robert Stone'" , KRNet From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: RE: KR> Re: KR, Sanding Message-id: <322D26F4E94CD5118F560008C7E65E4A01551936@emss03m07.orl.lmco.com> PVC pipe works very good for filets. You can get it fromn 1/2" - 6" diameter and cut it any length you want. Plus it's cheap Norm F. Garland Jr > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stone [SMTP:rlspjs@dashlink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:59 AM > To: KRNet > Subject: KR> Re: KR, Sanding > > GlacierNetters: After reading all the traffic concerning sanding I must > add > my 2 cents worth. Using a small sander on any surface will produce an > uneven surface. The best way to avoid this is glue a piece of very course > sandpaper to a long board and use it on wings, tail feathers and even the > turtle deck from front to rear. When sanding filets, wrap sandpaper > around > a beer can or like object and it will produce a nice curve. > > Bob Stone, Harked Heights, TX > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 14:10:24 -0500 To: "Garland, Norm F" , "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR, Sanding Message-ID: <001001c11474$4e12c7a0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Norm: Right you are but the advantage of the beer can is, you get to drink the beer first, then the can is free. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garland, Norm F" To: "'Robert Stone'" ; "KRNet" Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:08 AM Subject: RE: KR> Re: KR, Sanding > PVC pipe works very good for filets. You can get it fromn 1/2" - 6" diameter > and cut it any length you want. Plus it's cheap > > Norm F. Garland Jr > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Stone [SMTP:rlspjs@dashlink.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:59 AM > > To: KRNet > > Subject: KR> Re: KR, Sanding > > > > GlacierNetters: After reading all the traffic concerning sanding I must > > add > > my 2 cents worth. Using a small sander on any surface will produce an > > uneven surface. The best way to avoid this is glue a piece of very course > > sandpaper to a long board and use it on wings, tail feathers and even the > > turtle deck from front to rear. When sanding filets, wrap sandpaper > > around > > a beer can or like object and it will produce a nice curve. > > > > Bob Stone, Harked Heights, TX > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:20:48 -0400 To: "'Robert Stone'" , "Garland, Norm F" , KRNet From: "Garland, Norm F" Subject: RE: KR> Re: KR, Sanding Message-id: <322D26F4E94CD5118F560008C7E65E4A0155193A@emss03m07.orl.lmco.com> I guess they even pay you back when you recycle it !!!!! I vote for the BEER can also. Do you think a keg would make too big of a filet for the wings? Norm F. Garland Jr > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Stone [SMTP:rlspjs@dashlink.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 3:10 PM > To: Garland, Norm F; KRNet > Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR, Sanding > > Norm: Right you are but the advantage of the beer can is, you get to > drink > the beer first, then the can is free. > Bob Stone > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Garland, Norm F" > To: "'Robert Stone'" ; "KRNet" > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:08 AM > Subject: RE: KR> Re: KR, Sanding > > > > PVC pipe works very good for filets. You can get it fromn 1/2" - 6" > diameter > > and cut it any length you want. Plus it's cheap > > > > Norm F. Garland Jr > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Robert Stone [SMTP:rlspjs@dashlink.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2001 8:59 AM > > > To: KRNet > > > Subject: KR> Re: KR, Sanding > > > > > > GlacierNetters: After reading all the traffic concerning sanding I > must > > > add > > > my 2 cents worth. Using a small sander on any surface will produce an > > > uneven surface. The best way to avoid this is glue a piece of very > course > > > sandpaper to a long board and use it on wings, tail feathers and even > the > > > turtle deck from front to rear. When sanding filets, wrap sandpaper > > > around > > > a beer can or like object and it will produce a nice curve. > > > > > > Bob Stone, Harked Heights, TX > > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:57:35 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet From: Frank Ross Subject: OFF TOPIC, fatalities going to Oshkosh Message-ID: <20010724155735.21823.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> My EAA chapter lost three good men on their way to Oshkosh last Sunday. Our Website at www.endicor.com/eaa35 has the following announcement. Evidently we weren't the only ones. One correction, they were flying in Bobby's Cardinal. From Ch 35 Newsletter: Fair Skies, Friends Bob Day, Chapter 35 Vice President, and members Lowell Robinson and Bobby Steitler will be sorely missed. Our sincere condolences to their families. From KSAT12 NEWS: Two San Antonians Die In Illinois Plane Crash Victims Were Flying To Air Show BENTON, Ill., 10:31 a.m. CDT July 23, 2001 -- Two San Antonio men and one man from the Hill Country died Sunday night when their small plane crashed near Benton, Ill. The victims, identified as Robert Day of San Antonio, Lowell Robinson of San Antonio and Bobby Steitler of Pipe Creek, were headed to an air show in Oshkosh, Wis., authorities said. Federal investigators will try to determine what caused the four-seat Cessna aircraft to crash. There were thunderstorms in the area when the plane went down near the Benton airport in southern Illinois about 6:30 p.m. Sunday. The crash was the third fatal air crash in Illinois this weekend. All three planes were headed to the Experimental Aircraft Association's annual fly-in at Oshkosh this week. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:05:02 -0700 (PDT) To: Robert Stone , KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR, Sanding OFF TOPIC Message-ID: <20010724160502.21289.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> Bob, I KNEW all that beer drinking wouldn't be wasted. Frank --- Robert Stone wrote: > GlacierNetters: >When sanding filets, wrap sandpaper around > a beer can or like object and it will produce a nice > curve. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX > rlspjs@dashlink.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:13:20 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Foamex Safety Foam Message-ID: He is a copy of a recent discussion I had with a good friend of mine who is an engineer and materials manager for the company that supplies Safety Foam to the manufacturer of Canadian Leaopard Tanks. > >Yes it is made by Foamex and it is called "safety foam". There are >several > >different grades depending on what the application is. > >The purpose of this material is two-fold. It was developed during the > >Vietnam war to prevent small arms fire from blowing up low flying planes. > >They were being shot down by farmers. It prevents the fuel in the tank >from > >igniting from a small flash. The second thing that it does is help >prevent > >the fuel in the tanks from sloshing around when the tanks are not full. >I > >am sure that I do not need to tell you what can happen if you go into a > >roll > >and 100 gallons of fuel goes flying into the tip of your wing fuel tank. > >Is this for personal stuff or work related applications? Since it goes > >into > >gas tanks, we generally do not sell "fabricated" parts to the aero > >industry. > >There are HUGE liability issues if an engine stalls due to foam particals > >clogging a line. This isn't so much of a problem with Canadian Leopard > >tanks. If they stall, they don't drop 15,000 feet into a metropolitan > >district. Besides the Canadians just run-away. > >Small pieces may break off and go into the gas >line. I would not fly in a single engine plane that had it in the tanks _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:45:40 -0700 To: "TERRY CHIZEK" , From: "TERRY CHIZEK" Subject: Re: KR> fly in Message-ID: <000c01c11492$81c47080$3f5786d1@r6t1n9> > Planning on haveing a flyin breakfast and cookout and campout . sat. Aug > 25th at marion ks (43k) If you like to come email me off the krnet and I > will keep a list of all that may make it . > Terry chizek CHITL@SOUTHWIND.COM Breakfast a7:00 am to 11:00 cookout at 7:00 pm . this not a big flyin just a little get-together . I will have my kr2 and the other kr2s and kr2 I'm building . be calling around to get some other kr2 to fly in I keep you posed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:54:21 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: Turtledeck Message-ID: <20010724.225422.-270553.0.viscan@juno.com> Someone showed a hinged turtledeck in their web site. I've been trying to find it and have not been successful. Can someone please give me the web site address ? Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:47:06 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Turtledeck Message-ID: <20010725034706.24721.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Phil, Why ask? Almost anything you want to do to your KR, Mark Langford has done and provided great pictures on his web-site. He has what you need at: http://fly.hiwaay.net/~langford/kmlfd.html This is actually his foreward deck, but should work real nice for the rear deck too. I thought he had details of a hinged rear deck but didn't find it. Good luck ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:57:30 -0700 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: annual fly-in at Oshkosh Message-ID: <007001c114c6$4ff06800$40151a41@Administration> ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C1148B.A28AA750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am on my way to annual fly-in at Oshkosh tomorrow. Hope to see = someone their. I need to buy a waste gate and manifold relief valve for = my turbo VW and maybe some other items. KRRon ------=_NextPart_000_006D_01C1148B.A28AA750-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:08:44 -0700 To: From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Temporary good-bye Message-ID: <002a01c114c7$e2a20180$5145a6d1@oemcomputer> Life has a habit of getting in the way of things we would like to do. My life is certainly not any different. I heard a quote from an Admiral I once worked for, "For those who fight to defend it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know." In a few days I will deploying for six months with my squadron on the USS Carl Vinson, so it is time to log off the KR-Net for awhile. Thank you to all of you who have been patient with me and answered my questions. I have learned a great deal, and most of it had nothing to do with building a plane. For anyone who wants to check up on me, e-mail to my address below will get to me via my Bride. Hope all of you remain safe out there. Good luck with your building efforts. I look forward to hearing about how everyone is doing when I get back. I will be taking my instrument panel to build up on the cruise in the spare time I might get, so it will not be a total loss. Chase your dreams. Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman zipperts@whidbey.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:42:24 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Temporary good-bye Message-ID: <20010725134224.144.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> --- Dave and Tina Goodman wrote: > I will deploying for six months with my > squadron >.... > Chase your dreams. > Respectfully, > Dave "Zipper" Goodman Dave, Looking forward to your safe return. Frank Ross, USAF, Retired (But still a "Dependant Husband") __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 06:50:13 -0700 (PDT) To: jimozs@ne.mediaone.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KR-2 for sale Message-ID: <20010725135013.3057.qmail@web4702.mail.yahoo.com> I have been trying to contact Jim Ozias about this post for two days. Anyone know how to contact him or where he lives? Thanks --- jim & louise ozias wrote: > I have been interested in buying a completed or near > completed KR-2 and > finally found one. Looked at it yesterday but my > body did not fit it. > the fellow wants it gone as it is an estate sale. ... > Any interest? > jim ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************