From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 11 Aug 2001 16:08:44 -0000 Issue 267 Date: Saturday, August 11, 2001 9:09 AM krnet Digest 11 Aug 2001 16:08:44 -0000 Issue 267 Topics (messages 6282 through 6311): Re: Difference Polyester/Vinnylester 6282 by: anthony soldano 6283 by: virgnvs.juno.com 6287 by: Lynn Hyder 6288 by: Robert X. Cringely KR1 6284 by: clair boyd Why Diesel engines, 6285 by: Serge F. VIDAL 6307 by: Mike Mims Re: Archived newsletters 6286 by: Mark D Lougheed 6301 by: Mark D Lougheed 6304 by: Philip J. Visconti KR2s wing tanks 6289 by: Bryan and Avril Valentine 6292 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 6298 by: Mark Langford 6302 by: Donald Reid 6309 by: Daniel Heath 6310 by: mike 6311 by: Mark Langford Dieselis 6290 by: Oscar Zuniga KR Gathering 6291 by: Jim Morehead 6293 by: David Mullins 6294 by: Gognij.aol.com 6297 by: Tom Stokes 6305 by: CruzJ12.aol.com 6308 by: Lynn Hyder deisel 6295 by: shannon spurgeon Re; KR-2 Wanted 6296 by: GoFlySlow2.aol.com 52*42 or 52*44 prop 6299 by: Gognij.aol.com KR1 Tri-gear 6300 by: Frank Ross 6303 by: Frank Ross Surplus Aircraft wire 6306 by: David Mullins Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:27:48 -0400 To: , "Philip J. Visconti" From: "anthony soldano" Subject: Re: KR> Difference Polyester/Vinnylester Message-ID: <000801c12111$c2c90880$30eb1440@compaq> Phil I dont know the tech. difference between the two but i do know that just about all kit cars,cobras and aftermarket copies are made with vinylester. -----Original Message----- From: Philip J. Visconti To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 4:20 PM Subject: KR> Difference Polyester/Vinnylester >Anyone have knowledge of difference between polyester and vinylester ? I >told a friend I was using vinylester for my wings. He wanted to know if >vinylester has better adhesive qualities than polyester. If so, he'd like >to use it building his "street car". > >Phil Visconti >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:03:00 -0400 To: viscan@juno.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Difference Polyester/Vinnylester Message-ID: <20010809.170652.-121571.3.virgnvs@juno.com> hERE WE GO AGAIN, Virg On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:15:07 -0400 "Philip J. Visconti" writes: > Anyone have knowledge of difference between polyester and vinylester > ? I > told a friend I was using vinylester for my wings. He wanted to know > if > vinylester has better adhesive qualities than polyester. If so, he'd > like > to use it building his "street car". > > Phil Visconti > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 15:58:21 -0700 To: virgnvs@juno.com, viscan@juno.com From: "Lynn Hyder" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Difference Polyester/Vinnylester Message-ID: I think it will make any difference if your just going to drive it down the street... Lynn >From: virgnvs@juno.com >To: viscan@juno.com >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> Difference Polyester/Vinnylester >Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:03:00 -0400 > >hERE WE GO AGAIN, Virg > >On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:15:07 -0400 "Philip J. Visconti" >writes: > > Anyone have knowledge of difference between polyester and vinylester > > ? I > > told a friend I was using vinylester for my wings. He wanted to know > > if > > vinylester has better adhesive qualities than polyester. If so, he'd > > like > > to use it building his "street car". > > > > Phil Visconti > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > system! > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 16:47:00 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> Difference Polyester/Vinnylester Message-Id: Vinylester is catalyzed just like polyester with Methyl Ethyl Ketone Peroxide (MEKP), but it is somewhat stronger than polyester, has better temperature resistance, and is especially resistant to solvents and chemicals (vinylester is used in all subterranean fiberglass fuel tanks). Both resins are not vey good for secondary monding in comparison to epoxies. The disadvantages of vinylester are that it requires promotion -- an extra preparation step -- and is more expensive than polyester. That is all, Bob >Anyone have knowledge of difference between polyester and vinylester ? I >told a friend I was using vinylester for my wings. He wanted to know if >vinylester has better adhesive qualities than polyester. If so, he'd like >to use it building his "street car". > >Phil Visconti >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:31:08 +0800 To: Krnet@mailinglists.org From: "clair boyd" Subject: KR1 Message-ID: <20010809213108.4107.qmail@juno.com> Can anyone on the KR net tell me if a KR1 can be converted to a tri gear and if so how much work? -- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:31:04 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Why Diesel engines, Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1212B.5BE79AE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, fellow Netters! Since the subject seems to attract a lot of attention, let me tell you what I know of these aero Diesel engines. There are currently two trends: 1) Automotive Diesel conversions, for people like us, 2) Professional, certified Diesel engines for the light certified aircraft market. Both are designed to use the same fuel as turboprop engines. This requires minor engine settings only. For the record, during the Gulf War, the French Army was running on a single type of fuel, used to power both Diesel ground vehicles and helicopters. So, no big deal. Now, what are the drivers behind these innovations? * Diesel or AVTUR are much cheaper than Mogas or AVGAS. This may not be too much of a concern in the US, where people are blessed with very cheap fuel, but think of Europe, where a gallon of gasoline can cost as much as $4 ! * Since less and less aeroplanes use Avgas, in some places, it simply becomes hard to find (it is the case here in South Africa) * Fuel consumption of Diesel engines is much less than petrol engines. This translates in cheaper fuel bills, but also less fuel mass carried on board. * The Diesel technology has improved. High performance, relatively lightweight Diesel and turbo-Diesel engines are now available in the automotive market. In countries like France, one car sold out of two is a Diesel. People want the savings and the performance too, so the industry has adapted. * The reason why light aircraft have petrol engines is because this was the only mature solution available before World War II. Yet, Diesel engines are much better and safer on all accounts, except for mass (but the mass penalty is less every year, and is partially compensated by the fuel load reduction): - No ignition problems, - No carburettor freezing, - No mixture setting, - No highly flammable fuel, - Less consumption, - Extreme reliability, - Low maintenance, - Long engine life, - Etc. * I also understand that the torque is more constant, and therefore, propeller pitch problems are less. That "Dieselis" homebuilt prototype is just an illustration of a new trend: Diesel engines are here to stay. In France again, Renault Sport (Yes, the Formula One guys!) have a venture to produce 200 to 300 HP Diesel engines for the light singles and light twins market. The prototype is a Socata plane (a TB20 if I remember well). There is, of course, competition, but I don't remember which other companies are in the Diesel race. I don't foresee any KR2 future for Diesel engines, but you never know. Maybe an intrepid homebuilder will surprise us! Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01C1212B.5BE79AE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 14:59:42 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Why Diesel engines, Message-ID: <20010810215942.17443.qmail@web10804.mail.yahoo.com> An engine to consider (and yes I am) for conversion is VWs TDI series of oil burners. Seriously, look into these engines. They are light and make some serious HP and TQ for their size. Max RPM is right at 3800 rpm, hummmm!!! Stock they make about 100hp and 150 lbs tq, chipped we are talking 145hp and almost 200lbs tq. All of this from an lightweight 1.6 liter engine. Even better for you Euro guys is the V6 TDi. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 14:48:57 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark D Lougheed Subject: Re: Archived newsletters Message-ID: <20010809.144901.-234191.0.mdlougheed@juno.com> Hello all, Just so everyone knows, the newsletter site at fortunecity.com got booted due to thier opinion that the web space was being used as a data "dumping ground" - too much "storage" content to "html content". I'd like to restart the site somewhere else, except I've moved to the middle of nowhere, where internet access is a joke. A 24000 baud connection is considered "excellent" where I am now - and if the connection lasts for more than 20 minutes, your'e doing better than average. I don't have the high speed access anymore, so I can't maintain a website with mega-megs of content. Ok, enough of the excuses. To satisfy your thirst for KR Newsletter info, I have made a similar offer to others who have asked me. Mail me a self addressed stamped cardboard CD mailer envelope (include a blank CD-R if you like). USPS sells "Picture" mailers for $1.39. A cardboard CD mailer will also work. Postage will be about 80 cents for domestic US delivery - about $2.60 US for international/overseas delivery. When I recieve it, I will burn you a copy. For those who also have CD burners, there is no proliferation restrictions, so make copies for your local KR friends as well. MDL > Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) > To: KRnet > From: Frank Ross > Subject: Re: KR> Archived newsletters > Message-ID: <20010806161501.5645.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> > > --- John and Janet Martindale > wrote: > > Hi Folks > > > > Can anyone please assist me with getting into the > > Ernst Koppe newsletter archives held at > > http://www.fortunecity.com/marina/commodity/844/ > > I can't seem to connect up and keep getting an Error > > 404 message. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 07:00:53 -0500 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com From: Mark D Lougheed Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: Archived newsletters Message-ID: <20010810.070329.-123461.1.mdlougheed@juno.com> I knew someone was going to ask this question - as soon as I hit the "send" button on my mailer. Here's my address: Mark Lougheed c/o Densmore Associates, Inc. 9594 1st Ave NE #421 Seattle, WA 98115 USA Please don't send money (checks, cash, credit cards etc..) - although an extra CD-R is always appreciated. Ernie Koppe was kind enough to donate these newsletters to the KR community and I don't want to be percieved as "turning a buck" from his generosity. If you feel like showing your support with your wallet, please donate to KRNet to help keep it going and to support activities at the annual gathering. MDL On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 06:12:56 -0700 (PDT) Frank Ross writes: > Mail me a > > self addressed stamped cardboard CD mailer envelope > > (include a blank CD-R > > if you like). ... > > MDL > Mark, > THanks for your very generous offer of time and > assistance. > Could we get your address? > Thanks > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! > Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:28:21 -0400 To: mdlougheed@juno.com From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: Archived newsletters Message-ID: <20010810.102822.-511529.0.viscan@juno.com> Mark, My daughter and her husband moved there (WA state) for awhile. He was still working out of his Boston office. He sets up and maintains the Networking system for his company. So you know, first hand, how frustating that is out there with slow xmission speeds. Good luck. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 17:00:35 -0700 To: From: "Bryan and Avril Valentine" Subject: KR2s wing tanks Message-ID: <00a101c1212f$7bea0b80$1b29efcc@valentin> ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C120F4.CEF423A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings all=20 First a little back ground, I have been on the list lurking for some = time. I purchased=20 a partly completed kr2s several months ago Before that I was working = on a corvair=20 engine which is ready for assembly. However the person I bought the kr = from had=20 intended on using a VW in it so he didn't go with the wing tanks only a = header tank=20 I am now worried that I will have problems with the c of g. So can any = one tell me=20 if it's possible to open the wings up (they are complete except for the = final finish) and retro fit some tanks or should I be looking for a VW. I assume it = can be done=20 but how much work is it and will the wings be as good after words =20 Thanks in advance B. Valentine=20 ------=_NextPart_000_009E_01C120F4.CEF423A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 22:16:08 -0500 To: "KRNET" , "Bryan and Avril Valentine" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> KR2s wing tanks Message-ID: Move your battery to behind the seat if needed. You can always add fuel tanks, but they won't correct your CG when they are empty Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Bryan and Avril Valentine [mailto:valenti@island.net] Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 7:01 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> KR2s wing tanks Greetings all First a little back ground, I have been on the list lurking for some time. I purchased a partly completed kr2s several months ago Before that I was working on a corvair engine which is ready for assembly. However the person I bought the kr from had intended on using a VW in it so he didn't go with the wing tanks only a header tank I am now worried that I will have problems with the c of g. So can any one tell me if it's possible to open the wings up (they are complete except for the final finish) and retro fit some tanks or should I be looking for a VW. I assume it can be done but how much work is it and will the wings be as good after words Thanks in advance B. Valentine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 07:11:43 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks Message-ID: <000701c12195$9f422340$5f0ca58c@mlangford> B. Valentine wrote: > I am now worried that I will have problems with the c of g. So can any one > tell me > if it's possible to open the wings up (they are complete except for the > final finish) Stick one of these fuel cells behind the seat http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/fuel_cell.jpg ), and that'll take care of any forward CG situation you might have. This is from http://www.summitracing.com/ . Get the horizontal one and brace it well agains the rear spar so it doesn't have any place to go if you hit something. But I wouldn't think tearing into your wing to install a fuel tank would be any worse than if you'd done it to start with, assuming you can get the fuel lines to them. You'll just have a few more hours to get the surface finish back as nice as it is, but what's a few hours? I think half the people who build composite fuel tanks have to tear into them anyway, when they find out that they leak the first time they fill them with fuel. I'd be tempted to do it out of aluminum. It's not as expensive as you might think, especially considering the time involved in a composite tank. Aluminum welds can leak too, but it's a piece of cake to test it BEFORE you install it, unlike the typically integrated composite tanks ... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 10:10:03 -0400 To: From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20010810100456.00a0ae30@pop.erols.com> --=====================_4631452==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:00 PM 8/9/2001 -0700, Bryan and Avril Valentine wrote: > So can any one tell me >if it's possible to open the wings up (they are complete except for the >final finish) >and retro fit some tanks or should I be looking for a VW. I assume it can >be done >but how much work is it and will the wings be as good after words Ken Rand did exactly that on the original KR-2. I have seen a very poor quality picture of his wing opened up and under re-construction. He removed the bottom surface between the spars, glassed the inside of the top, and then put a new bottom surface on. I think that he did the entire outer wing panel which would have been in excess of 20 gallons per side. It would be less work than building wings from scratch but not much less. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_4631452==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 06:27:45 -0400 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks Message-ID: <009001c12250$43507940$2a2c5d0c@scana.com> Do you know what the CG/weight and balance is, or are you just worried and guessing that it is going to be off. If you know, how much is it off. I really like the first response that you got on this. You can put a really big battery behind the rear spar. Solves 2 problems at once. Easy to start and more aft CG. If you are only worried/guessing, don't do anything until you know. I think the comment already made about the tank, in that "what will you do when the tanks are empty" should be strongly considered. This really takes the tanks out of the equation for solving this problem. As I see it, you can put the battery behind the rear spar, if that will solve it, or you can get a lighter engine. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:11 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks > B. Valentine wrote: > > > I am now worried that I will have problems with the c of g. So can any > one > > tell me > > if it's possible to open the wings up (they are complete except for the > > final finish) > > Stick one of these fuel cells behind the seat > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/fuel_cell.jpg ), and that'll take care of > any forward CG situation you might have. This is from > http://www.summitracing.com/ . Get the horizontal one and brace it well > agains the rear spar so it doesn't have any place to go if you hit > something. > > But I wouldn't think tearing into your wing to install a fuel tank would be > any worse than if you'd done it to start with, assuming you can get the fuel > lines to them. You'll just have a few more hours to get the surface finish > back as nice as it is, but what's a few hours? > > I think half the people who build composite fuel tanks have to tear into > them anyway, when they find out that they leak the first time they fill them > with fuel. I'd be tempted to do it out of aluminum. It's not as expensive > as you might think, especially considering the time involved in a composite > tank. Aluminum welds can leak too, but it's a piece of cake to test it > BEFORE you install it, unlike the typically integrated composite tanks ... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:15:15 -0400 To: "Daniel Heath" , "Mark Langford" , From: "mike" Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks Message-ID: <000801c12278$6d984480$0a43b03f@a2a2d6> I read this and am wondering how it could be, half the people that build in wing tanks have to tear back into them? At my work we do some fiberglass work on aerial lifts and i dont see how or why people have to tear back into wing tanks if this is done properly to start with. Seems like if ya coat the inside with resin you shouldnt have a problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Heath To: Mark Langford ; Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2001 6:27 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks > Do you know what the CG/weight and balance is, or are you just worried and > guessing that it is going to be off. If you know, how much is it off. I > really like the first response that you got on this. You can put a really > big battery behind the rear spar. Solves 2 problems at once. Easy to start > and more aft CG. > > If you are only worried/guessing, don't do anything until you know. > > I think the comment already made about the tank, in that "what will you do > when the tanks are empty" should be strongly considered. This really takes > the tanks out of the equation for solving this problem. > > As I see it, you can put the battery behind the rear spar, if that will > solve it, or you can get a lighter engine. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 10, 2001 8:11 AM > Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks > > > > B. Valentine wrote: > > > > > I am now worried that I will have problems with the c of g. So can any > > one > > > tell me > > > if it's possible to open the wings up (they are complete except for the > > > final finish) > > > > Stick one of these fuel cells behind the seat > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/fuel_cell.jpg ), and that'll take care > of > > any forward CG situation you might have. This is from > > http://www.summitracing.com/ . Get the horizontal one and brace it well > > agains the rear spar so it doesn't have any place to go if you hit > > something. > > > > But I wouldn't think tearing into your wing to install a fuel tank would > be > > any worse than if you'd done it to start with, assuming you can get the > fuel > > lines to them. You'll just have a few more hours to get the surface > finish > > back as nice as it is, but what's a few hours? > > > > I think half the people who build composite fuel tanks have to tear into > > them anyway, when they find out that they leak the first time they fill > them > > with fuel. I'd be tempted to do it out of aluminum. It's not as > expensive > > as you might think, especially considering the time involved in a > composite > > tank. Aluminum welds can leak too, but it's a piece of cake to test it > > BEFORE you install it, unlike the typically integrated composite tanks ... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 11:10:29 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> KR2s wing tanks Message-ID: <004501c12280$243b0310$a600a8c0@athlon600> Mike wrote: > I read this and am wondering how it could be, half the people that build in > wing tanks have to tear back into them? Don't ask me. I just report the news, not make it. If you look at the last several planes that have flown (or are about to fly), an awful lot of them have discovered leaks that had to be repaired. I don't think MINE will leak, since I used three layers of glass, loads of excess vinylester epoxy, and coated the inside with even more extra epoxy, but I'll bet those guys who had to fix them didn't think THEIRS would leak either. As for whether or not moving the battery would fix the problem, Bryan said he had a header tank now, and was worrying about CG problems, which is why he asked about wing tanks. I can tell you that I have a 240 pound engine mounted as close to the firewall as it can go, no header tank, and wing tanks, lead in the tail for balancing elevators and rudder, and my CG will be just about perfect. If I had a header tank, I'd have CG problems. I'm sure you all know how I feel about what happens as you fly with a header tank. The moment arm of a header tank would be about 18.5" forward of the center of my CG range, and with wing tanks it's about 9" aft. So any fuel burned off from wing tanks will not only have HALF the effect on CG as fuel burned from a header tank, but the effect will be that your CG moves FORWARD as it's burned using wing tanks, rather than AFT using a header tank. So when you land, your plane is more stable than when you took off, rather than the other way around. My entire CG travel, from lightweight pilot and no fuel, to full passengers and full fuel, is only 3 inches. You can't get that with only a header tank. Consider that the plans call for a 8" range, which we've established should really be 6", and you'll see that my plane will not behave like a whole different airplane depending on how many people are in it and how much fuel is aboard. And now the fuel is out of the cockpit, which I personally consider to be a big plus. The only thing you loose is the possiblity of using gravity feed, which I don't believe in either. Changes in attitude during takeoff make a large difference in head pressure, so that when you need it most, you have the least. Mechanical fuel pumps are very reliable, usually fail slowly with plenty of warning, and deliver the same pressure, regardless of the airplanes's attitude. I could go on. You KNOW I could... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:50:33 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Dieselis Message-ID: For anyone who cares to delve deeper, there was a very thorough write-up on the Dieselis development (airplane and engine) in Contact! magazine, I believe about a year ago. The article was written by the builder/developer. Go to http://www.nonprofitnet.com/contact/ for information on subscribing to Contact! or on ordering back issues. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:08:51 -0700 To: From: Jim Morehead Subject: KR Gathering Message-ID: Fellow Netters, The Gathering this year in Pine Bluff AR. September 21, 22 and 23 is coming fast. I hope that there will be a better turn out there than there was at Oshkosh. We are driving to the gathering this year all the way from California. Looking forward to a good time talking KR airplanes. Also taking pictures with my new Digital Camera Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2001 23:34:46 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering Message-ID: <3B735656.742589E5@mediaone.net> I have my hotel reservations and vacation scheduled at work. I am still considering driving from New Hampshire and trailering my fuselage down. If I have a month in the hangar before the gathering I could get what I expected to have done by now, but the new hangars at the airport are taking longer than expected. I wanted to have the controls, seats, canopy, engine, engine mount, and nose gear working by then. I should have my instrument panel 90% complete. I have my micro encoder on order now. I will put it together and post the process on my site. With the OT scheduled for the next two weeks, I see my transponder coming soon too. That will leave the Nav/Com radio and the circuit breaker/switches left to purchase. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com mailto:n323xl@mediaone.net Jim Morehead wrote: > Fellow Netters, > The Gathering this year in Pine Bluff AR. September 21, 22 and 23 is > coming fast. I hope that there will be a better turn out there than there > was at Oshkosh. We are driving to the gathering this year all the way from > California. Looking forward to a good time talking KR airplanes. Also > taking pictures with my new Digital Camera > > Jim Morehead > Cameron Park, CA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 23:59:25 EDT To: kr2jm@d-web.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering Message-ID: <80.e6163a9.28a4b61d@aol.com> --part1_80.e6163a9.28a4b61d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim, this is the same weekend as the E.A.A. Southwest Convention in Abilene, Texas. If you are going to drive from the West coast? You should stop and see what Texas has to offer. 20.00 per family for the entrance fee. Camping is only five bucks! Best Regards, Jim Gogniat --part1_80.e6163a9.28a4b61d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 05:51:11 -0500 To: kr2jm@d-web.com From: Tom Stokes Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering Message-ID: <20010810.055117.-249883.0.tomstokes1@juno.com> Everbody give a shout when you get to Pine Bluff. My phone # is 870 247-5975. Tom Stokes Pine Bluff, AR tomstokes1@juno.com On Thu, 09 Aug 2001 20:08:51 -0700 Jim Morehead writes: > Fellow Netters, > The Gathering this year in Pine Bluff AR. September 21, 22 and > 23 is > coming fast. I hope that there will be a better turn out there than > there > was at Oshkosh. We are driving to the gathering this year all the > way from > California. Looking forward to a good time talking KR airplanes. > Also > taking pictures with my new Digital Camera > > Jim Morehead > Cameron Park, CA > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > Tom Stokes White Hall, AR tomstokes1@juno.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:16:52 EDT To: kr2jm@d-web.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering Message-ID: <122.2d2ac4e.28a5a944@aol.com> --part1_122.2d2ac4e.28a5a944_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit How do I subscribe to krnet with my hotmail account? --part1_122.2d2ac4e.28a5a944_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 15:15:56 -0700 To: CruzJ12@aol.com, kr2jm@d-web.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Lynn Hyder" Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering Message-ID: Hey Joe! You sign up the same way as you do on aol or any other account. I'm signed up for both. You can see the ones that bleed through aols screen but hotmail will get them all. Lynn C Hyder >From: CruzJ12@aol.com >To: kr2jm@d-web.com, krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering >Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:16:52 EDT > >How do I subscribe to krnet with my hotmail account? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 00:26:37 -0500 (CDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: shanspur@webtv.net (shannon spurgeon) Subject: deisel Message-ID: <3269-3B73708D-15@storefull-628.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Everything I have read from or about the companies trying to develop an aircraft deisel engine says they intend to run them on jet-a. That's all I know about it. Shannon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 02:17:32 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: GoFlySlow2@aol.com Subject: KR>Re; KR-2 Wanted Message-ID: --part1_d0.19b17932.28a4d67c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Looking for KR-2 for sale in the west coast .Kevin I would like to know if anyone offers any instruction in a Kr-2 Thanks, Kevin>> You can check out mine Kevin Pics at ANGEL FLIGHT ULTRALIGHTS --part1_d0.19b17932.28a4d67c_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:19:20 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: 52*42 or 52*44 prop Message-ID: --part1_fd.a5df2d6.28a53958_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Guys! I am in need of a prop for my KR2 with one of Steve Bennetts prop hubs. I need this prop as soon as possible since it is holding up my progress. I will be ordering one next Monday if I do not here from somebody. I need the 52*42 or 52*44 prop. I have been building this airplane for ten years now an I hope to fly within the next 90 days. Thanks! Jim Gogniat Gognij@aol.com --part1_fd.a5df2d6.28a53958_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 07:00:58 -0700 (PDT) To: Krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: KR1 Tri-gear Message-ID: <20010810140058.18586.qmail@web4704.mail.yahoo.com> --- clair boyd wrote: > Can anyone on the KR net tell me if a KR1 can be > converted to a tri gear and if so how much work? Clair, I haven't seen an answer to your question, and I don't know for sure what the answer is. I would THINK you could use the Diehl tri-gear for the KR2 without much problem, mounting the mains the same way. Do you have a KR-1 you want to convert, or are you thinking of building a KR-1 as a tri-gear from the start? If you are building from the start, you might want to build a KR-2 as a one-place plane. The KR2 instructions are much clearer and it makes a nice one-place plane. Good luck ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 07:24:56 -0700 (PDT) To: clair boyd From: Frank Ross Cc: KRNet Subject: KR1 Tri-gear Message-ID: <20010810142456.19025.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> Clair, Just got this note from Bob at RFG842@aol.com, and passing it on to you and the KRnet, in case anyone else is interested. Thanks Bob, Frank "Frank I don't get the net anymore, but someone forwarded your reply about converting to trigear & I thought I would amplify some things I have learned. If the aircraft has the Diehl gear, conversion is pretty simple. You take the gear mountings off and mount them on the rear of the spar. (Left to right & vice versa). Add Diehl's nose gear assembly and the job is virtually done. Only problem may be rerouting the aileron cables if the original was done to plans, not a major problem. Does require opening up the stub wings on the bottom. I like the tri gear also but decided it wasn't worth the weight, money and added complexity. Bob" ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 17:31:04 -0400 To: krnet From: David Mullins Subject: Surplus Aircraft wire Message-ID: <3B745298.7F287D4F@mediaone.net> Netters, I found a place for surplus aircraft electrical wire. They have both shielded and unshielded in single and multiconductor. Check them out at: http://www.skycraftsurplus.com/wire.htm Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com mailto:n323xl@mediaone.net ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************