From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 22 Aug 2001 12:49:15 -0000 Issue 273 Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:49 AM krnet Digest 22 Aug 2001 12:49:15 -0000 Issue 273 Topics (messages 6434 through 6463): Re: Weekend Flying, Almost Bit The Dust. 6434 by: Mark Jones 6447 by: Guenther Bryce 6449 by: Carson Cassidy 6453 by: gleone 6458 by: BillStarrs Re: Problem with Spar Varnish 6435 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien 6441 by: Peter Johnson 6442 by: Jerry Mahurin GAS SPRINGS METHOD 6436 by: Philip J. Visconti 6439 by: Mark Langford Re: KR Pull test 6437 by: Peter Johnson Re: Some Thoughts on Rudder Horn Length 6438 by: Peter Johnson 6440 by: Mark Langford 6443 by: Jerry Mahurin Re: Sandpaper 6444 by: larry flesner EGT Caution 6445 by: Seifert, Richard E 1/3 off on aluminum 6446 by: Richard Parker 6448 by: flykr2s.execpc.com Further to the Rudder Horn Length 6450 by: Peter Johnson 40 hrs. 6451 by: Dean Selby Controls Kit 6452 by: saunders 6454 by: Mark Jones kr 40 hrs 6455 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com KR Gathering is coming soon... 6456 by: Mark Langford 6457 by: Mark Jones 6460 by: Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff 6461 by: Daniel Heath 6462 by: mac payne 6463 by: David Mullins Wingwalk (Step) Abrasive 6459 by: Laheze.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:14:09 -0500 To: GARYKR2@cs.com From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Weekend Flying, Almost Bit The Dust. Message-ID: <3B81B5E0.4DDE4A73@execpc.com> WOW, what a ride you took Gary. Sure am glad you pulled her out....have you finished cleaning out your shorts yet? Mark Jones GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > First, CompuServe decided to start letting the NET thru. I guess the > bitching paid off. > I was doing rolls at low speed and somehow got my "2" in an inverted spin. > Somehow I got her flipped over into a normal spin. She didn't want to come > out. Full down elevator with bursts of power finally got the nose down enough > to stop the spin. > Wing tanks were empty, header 3/4 full. C/G OK. I put that in there > because some one would tell me that the plane was out of balance. I wanted it > nose heavy incase a spin wanted to go flat. > I thought I was going to buy the farm on this one. It took over 2000ft to > get it out. I had less than 600ft left when she came out. > I have been playing it over in my head(not all the time by choice), and > still am not sure what went wrong. > The last words I spoke before she pulled out were " I'm really f#%$ed this > time, Liz [my wife) is going to be pissed". Don't ask me why, but that's what > I said out loud. > I was only about 3mi from the airport, so headed straight back. I was ill > to the point that the first approach was to high and fast, so had to go > around. > The moral is don't give up flying the airplane till you splat. This > happened yesterday, I plan to go fly tomorrow. You know the get back in the > saddle thing. > No mater what anybody thinks, someone was helping me. You know what I mean? > Gary Hinkle (A/P, COMM, INST, MULTI) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:56:55 -0700 (PDT) To: GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> Weekend Flying, Almost Bit The Dust. Message-ID: <20010821175655.84965.qmail@web11108.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Gary and all, glad your still with us ! Wonder what your thoughts are about header tank fuel movement related to inverted and normal spin configuration? Considering centrifugal force of fuel (sloshing) reacting against fuel tank walls and inertial forces, a vector analysis study might reveal feature's that can be improved upon to S.Y.A. and every KR pilot entering an unintentionally spin. Now exploring aerobatic flight is fun and what you did is also a discovering event of flight testing and from your experience Gary can you comment further? Thanks Bryce Guenther KR builder,A&P, AE. --- GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > First, CompuServe decided to start letting the > NET thru. I guess the > bitching paid off. > I was doing rolls at low speed and somehow got my > "2" in an inverted spin. > Somehow I got her flipped over into a normal spin. > She didn't want to come > out. Full down elevator with bursts of power finally > got the nose down enough > to stop the spin. > Wing tanks were empty, header 3/4 full. C/G OK. I > put that in there > because some one would tell me that the plane was > out of balance. I wanted it > nose heavy incase a spin wanted to go flat. > I thought I was going to buy the farm on this > one. It took over 2000ft to > get it out. I had less than 600ft left when she came > out. > I have been playing it over in my head(not all > the time by choice), and > still am not sure what went wrong. > The last words I spoke before she pulled out were > " I'm really f#%$ed this > time, Liz [my wife) is going to be pissed". Don't > ask me why, but that's what > I said out loud. > I was only about 3mi from the airport, so headed > straight back. I was ill > to the point that the first approach was to high and > fast, so had to go > around. > The moral is don't give up flying the airplane > till you splat. This > happened yesterday, I plan to go fly tomorrow. You > know the get back in the > saddle thing. > No mater what anybody thinks, someone was helping > me. You know what I mean? > Gary Hinkle (A/P, COMM, > INST, MULTI) Middletown, Pa. > > garykr2@cs.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:34:20 -0700 To: "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: Carson Cassidy Subject: Re: KR> Weekend Flying, Almost Bit The Dust. Message-ID: <3B82B7BC.6BF397F6@home.com> Gary And I thought I was having a bad day. Great job! You never know what's going to work until you try it. Glad to see it hasn't put you off of flying. You can fly my KR2S anytime (as soon as I get it finished, of course). Carson Cassidy Calgary, Alberta, Canada GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > > First, CompuServe decided to start letting the NET thru. I guess the > bitching paid off. > I was doing rolls at low speed and somehow got my "2" in an inverted spin. > Somehow I got her flipped over into a normal spin. She didn't want to come > out. Full down elevator with bursts of power finally got the nose down enough > to stop the spin. > Wing tanks were empty, header 3/4 full. C/G OK. I put that in there > because some one would tell me that the plane was out of balance. I wanted it > nose heavy incase a spin wanted to go flat. > I thought I was going to buy the farm on this one. It took over 2000ft to > get it out. I had less than 600ft left when she came out. > I have been playing it over in my head(not all the time by choice), and > still am not sure what went wrong. > The last words I spoke before she pulled out were " I'm really f#%$ed this > time, Liz [my wife) is going to be pissed". Don't ask me why, but that's what > I said out loud. > I was only about 3mi from the airport, so headed straight back. I was ill > to the point that the first approach was to high and fast, so had to go > around. > The moral is don't give up flying the airplane till you splat. This > happened yesterday, I plan to go fly tomorrow. You know the get back in the > saddle thing. > No mater what anybody thinks, someone was helping me. You know what I mean? > Gary Hinkle (A/P, COMM, INST, MULTI) Middletown, Pa. > garykr2@cs.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:19:45 -0600 To: Guenther Bryce From: gleone CC: GARYKR2@cs.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Weekend Flying, Almost Bit The Dust. Message-ID: <3B82FAA1.807EABE4@tritel.net> --------------14228A1B676017BC52FFDD5C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A flat, much less inverted, spin, is not a good thing. The Grumman Tr-2 was placarded against spins as it is susceptible to flat spins. NASA used one for spin tests and they mounted a ballistic chute to the tail. Now, Grumman did make a spin kit for the bird which was essentially a fin under the tail section. It is something you might want to look into. Guenther Bryce wrote: > Hi Gary and all, glad your still with us ! Wonder what > your thoughts are about header tank fuel movement > related to inverted and normal spin configuration? > Considering centrifugal force of fuel (sloshing) > reacting against fuel tank walls and inertial forces, > a vector analysis study might reveal feature's that > can be improved upon to S.Y.A. and every KR pilot > entering an unintentionally spin. Now exploring > aerobatic flight is fun and what you did is also a > discovering event of flight testing and from your > experience Gary can you comment further? Thanks Bryce > Guenther KR builder,A&P, AE. > > --- GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > > First, CompuServe decided to start letting the > > NET thru. I guess the > > bitching paid off. > > I was doing rolls at low speed and somehow got my > > "2" in an inverted spin. > > Somehow I got her flipped over into a normal spin. > > She didn't want to come > > out. Full down elevator with bursts of power finally > > got the nose down enough > > to stop the spin. > > Wing tanks were empty, header 3/4 full. C/G OK. I > > put that in there > > because some one would tell me that the plane was > > out of balance. I wanted it > > nose heavy incase a spin wanted to go flat. > > I thought I was going to buy the farm on this > > one. It took over 2000ft to > > get it out. I had less than 600ft left when she came > > out. > > I have been playing it over in my head(not all > > the time by choice), and > > still am not sure what went wrong. > > The last words I spoke before she pulled out were > > " I'm really f#%$ed this > > time, Liz [my wife) is going to be pissed". Don't > > ask me why, but that's what > > I said out loud. > > I was only about 3mi from the airport, so headed > > straight back. I was ill > > to the point that the first approach was to high and > > fast, so had to go > > around. > > The moral is don't give up flying the airplane > > till you splat. This > > happened yesterday, I plan to go fly tomorrow. You > > know the get back in the > > saddle thing. > > No mater what anybody thinks, someone was helping > > me. You know what I mean? > > Gary Hinkle (A/P, COMM, > > INST, MULTI) Middletown, Pa. > > > > garykr2@cs.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > > or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > > some other system! > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! --------------14228A1B676017BC52FFDD5C-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:03:59 -0700 To: "Guenther Bryce" , , From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Weekend Flying, Almost Bit The Dust. Message-ID: <004e01c12abf$7963fa80$02defea9@bstarrs> I got a Swift (which is placarded against all spins) into an inverted spin doing slow rolls. I gave the stick too much forward pressure when inverted trying to hold the nose up, and POP! she went into the spin. not flat but sort of shallow. Recovery was normal for inverted ( power off, BACK on the stick, necessary rudder) then a normal spin with normal recovery with forward stick and opposite rudder. I thought that I not only bought the farm but had the title signed sealed and delivered. Also continued aerobatics so I wouldn't be psyched out. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guenther Bryce" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:56 AM Subject: Re: KR> Weekend Flying, Almost Bit The Dust. > Hi Gary and all, glad your still with us ! Wonder what > your thoughts are about header tank fuel movement > related to inverted and normal spin configuration? > Considering centrifugal force of fuel (sloshing) > reacting against fuel tank walls and inertial forces, > a vector analysis study might reveal feature's that > can be improved upon to S.Y.A. and every KR pilot > entering an unintentionally spin. Now exploring > aerobatic flight is fun and what you did is also a > discovering event of flight testing and from your > experience Gary can you comment further? Thanks Bryce > Guenther KR builder,A&P, AE. > > > --- GARYKR2@cs.com wrote: > > First, CompuServe decided to start letting the > > NET thru. I guess the > > bitching paid off. > > I was doing rolls at low speed and somehow got my > > "2" in an inverted spin. > > Somehow I got her flipped over into a normal spin. > > She didn't want to come > > out. Full down elevator with bursts of power finally > > got the nose down enough > > to stop the spin. > > Wing tanks were empty, header 3/4 full. C/G OK. I > > put that in there > > because some one would tell me that the plane was > > out of balance. I wanted it > > nose heavy incase a spin wanted to go flat. > > I thought I was going to buy the farm on this > > one. It took over 2000ft to > > get it out. I had less than 600ft left when she came > > out. > > I have been playing it over in my head(not all > > the time by choice), and > > still am not sure what went wrong. > > The last words I spoke before she pulled out were > > " I'm really f#%$ed this > > time, Liz [my wife) is going to be pissed". Don't > > ask me why, but that's what > > I said out loud. > > I was only about 3mi from the airport, so headed > > straight back. I was ill > > to the point that the first approach was to high and > > fast, so had to go > > around. > > The moral is don't give up flying the airplane > > till you splat. This > > happened yesterday, I plan to go fly tomorrow. You > > know the get back in the > > saddle thing. > > No mater what anybody thinks, someone was helping > > me. You know what I mean? > > Gary Hinkle (A/P, COMM, > > INST, MULTI) Middletown, Pa. > > > > garykr2@cs.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > > or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > > some other system! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:42:44 -0700 To: "Daniel Heath" ,"krnet" From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> Problem with Spar Varnish Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20010820184244.00745e84@localaccess.com> Netters: The problem with spar varnish is that it belongs on sailboat spars and not in airplanes! Seal all your interior wood surfaces with System Three "Clear Coat" or other low viscosity epoxy rather than varnish. It will be totally compatable with subsequent glue coats and will be several hundred % better as a moisture barrier. Regards, Tracy O'Brien At 08:12 PM 08/20/2001 -0400, Daniel Heath wrote: >I have been having problems with areas of the fuselage that had been coated >with spar varnish. Even though I sand it off before laying on any glass and >resin, it seems that the resin is pulling some residue up from within the >wood. The resin will not stick and leaves a gooey, almost hard, mess. This >is the second time that this has happened and I really thought that I had >sanded off ALL of the varnish. > >I will now have to remove that glass that did not stick and find a way to >get the old stuff off, and start again. > >Does anyone know of a remedy for this? > >Be careful where you put varnish. > > >Daniel R. Heath > >WWW.EAA242.ORG > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:34:52 -0700 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Re: KR> Problem with Spar Varnish Message-ID: <006501c12a03$2b174ba0$8f09eccf@peter> Hi Dan. I found the "..gooey, almost hard, mess.." that your finding occuring interesting. I've epoxied over varnish over the years (yes, both intentionally and by accident), and have never had what you're describing occur. Three things come to mind: One, are you mixing the resin properly? A silly question I know, but from my experience, natural varnish will not affect the epoxy curing process. Two, are you adding alcohol or acetone to your epoxy? Alcohol doesn't soften NATURAL varnish when I've used it for cleaning, acetone can soften epoxy that not entirely cured. Three, is the spar varnish on the surface a 'natural' varnish, or on the '..thanes'? I've haven't used any of the '..thane' varnishs for decades, mayhaps the makeup of the '..thanes' is softened by epoxy. Tracy O'Brien is right in his comments on varnish. If you do have varnish on a wood surface, it does take some degree of sanding to remove it enough to ensure that the epoxy is saturating wood, and not just bonding to a varnish surface. Hope some of these questions and comments help you out some. If you'd like to discuss this further, I'd enjoy very much coming to understand more what is happening with your project. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "krnet" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:12 PM Subject: KR> Problem with Spar Varnish > I have been having problems with areas of the fuselage that had been coated > with spar varnish. Even though I sand it off before laying on any glass and > resin, it seems that the resin is pulling some residue up from within the > wood. The resin will not stick and leaves a gooey, almost hard, mess. This > is the second time that this has happened and I really thought that I had > sanded off ALL of the varnish. > > I will now have to remove that glass that did not stick and find a way to > get the old stuff off, and start again. > > Does anyone know of a remedy for this? > > Be careful where you put varnish. > > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:29:13 -0400 To: "Daniel Heath" ,"krnet" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Problem with Spar Varnish Message-ID: Dan, That is polyurethane varnish that you are fighting.... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:12:20 -0400 "Daniel Heath" wrote: > I have been having problems with areas of the fuselage > that had been coated > with spar varnish. Even though I sand it off before > laying on any glass and > resin, it seems that the resin is pulling some residue up > from within the > wood. The resin will not stick and leaves a gooey, > almost hard, mess. This > is the second time that this has happened and I really > thought that I had > sanded off ALL of the varnish. > > I will now have to remove that glass that did not stick > and find a way to > get the old stuff off, and start again. > > Does anyone know of a remedy for this? > > Be careful where you put varnish. > > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other system! > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:46:08 -0400 To: langford@hiwaay.net From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: GAS SPRINGS METHOD Message-ID: <20010820.224748.-297999.0.viscan@juno.com> I did not realize the gas spring info would be so much in demand. I do not have a web site so Mark has offered to post information. Hope this will be satisfactory to all. Phil Visconti ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:07:19 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: GAS SPRINGS METHOD Message-ID: <000701c129ee$63e82cc0$7000a8c0@athlon600> It's at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/gas_spring.jpg . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:59:14 -0700 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Fw: KR Pull test Message-ID: <004001c129fe$09aab920$8f09eccf@peter> mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "ACRE NL" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: KR Pull test > > > >> FYI, Virg > > > > > >> > > >> > Hi Rene, > > >> > Just wondering if the guys over Kr-net do any pull test and compare > > >> numbers > > >> > with each other to kind of establish a workable prop/h.p. range? Last > > >> week > > >> i > > >> > saw a guy testing is 601 with a couple of pulleys, a rope and an oil > > >> cylinder > > >> > with a pressure gage attached to it. He tied one pulley on the back of > > >> his > > >> > machine, the other to a secure tiedown point and he floored it. He got > > >> a > > >> > reading of 350 lbs. He told me that the contraption was passed down > > >> from > > >> owner > > >> > to owner in the region so as to build a data base for comparison from > > >> witch > > >> > they could draw educated guess about their set up.Any ideas??? > > > > >The danger in putting too much emphasis on static thrust is > > >you can under pitch your prop and when it comes time to fly the HP > > >will not be there. Happened to a guy down in Phoenix about > > >a year ago. > > > > > >Paul Lamar > > > > This is **extremely** dangerous. Even the Wright bros. understood this. > > At OSH I was looking over a report on their prop design, and they > > specifically stated that static thrust measurements were very deceiving > > since the air inflow velocity is zero, completely unlike the actual > > flight condition. The slower the airplane flies, the closer to useful > > static thrust is, so for a 25 mph ultralight it might be of some > > slight value. For a 150 mph KR, it is dangerously useless and very > > misleading. > > > > Bill Freeman > > Long EZ builder & pilot > > BSME, MSME > > EAA Technical Counselor > > > The AirCraft Rotary Engine NewsLetter. Powered by Linux. > ACRE NL web site. > http://home.earthlink.net/~rotaryeng/ http://www.linux.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:00:28 -0700 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Fw: KR> Some Thoughts on Rudder Horn Length Message-ID: <004d01c129fe$37039c20$8f09eccf@peter> mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Johnson" To: "Mark Langford" Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:49 PM Subject: Re: KR> Some Thoughts on Rudder Horn Length > Hi Mark, interesting reading your comments about the rudder horn length. No > shooting perceived from your comments, and none intended on my part, just a > couple of comments in response..... > > First, you are right about the shorter rudder horn having to "..do more > work..", it is carrying more load if it is shorter, but the moment load on > the rudder horn at the spar centerline is the same, regardless if the horn > is 6" long and carrying 40 lbs, or 3" long and carrying 80 lbs. Your > comment highlights the need to use a high strength aluminum for the horns > for it's increased bearing strength. > > As for the increased load on the rudder cables and fittings caused by the > shorter moment arms, You're right again that there will be an increased load > on the rudder cables and fittings, but it is not enough of an increase that > the cable will be loaded to anywhere it's breaking strength of approx. 1,800 > lbs for 1/8' cable. A person sitting and pushing with their foot can > deliver about 165 lbs forces. If you were to build the rudder pedals as per > plans (7" long), and locate the rudder attach point at the plans location > (4" from the hinge line), you'll be applying about 290 lbs of force to the > cable. If you relocate the cable attach point to the hypothetical 2" from > the hinge line I figured earlier, then the load in the cable will be > increased to about 580 lbs. Neither load is close to the approx 1,800 lbs > breaking strength, 900 lbs safe working load, of 1/8" cable. (This bit of > math highlights why alot of kits and plans are going to 3/32" cable.) > > As for the increase in play due to loss of tolerences in pin holes etc, > because the rudder cables are both kept under tension, any 'slop' in the > fitting and holes will not be noticed. Your comment on this does again > highlight the need to use a high strength aluminum for its increased bearing > load capacity. The concern for tolerances is of course completely valid for > the rudder hinges, the aileron push/pull tube, and the push/pull tube such > as you are using on your elevator (and I too, thanks for sharing your ideas > and efforts). > > > mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 5:42 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Some Thoughts on Rudder Horn Length > > > > Y'all are going to get tired of me shootin' people down, but doing > something > > like reducing the length of a bellcrank isn't as simple as just keeping > the > > ratios the same at both ends. You are asking the same piece of metal to > do > > the same amount of work with half the moment arm, so the forces (and > loads) > > are going to be twice as high. Those same increased forces are going to > > have to be taken by the cables and end fittings, as well. > > > > Another reason things are the size they are is that if your bellcrank is > > only an inch long and you develop a sixteenth of an inch of play, you've > got > > some real play. If it's three inches long then it's only a third as much > > play. > > > > Sorry, I know you wish I would just be quiet... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:25:09 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Some Thoughts on Rudder Horn Length Message-ID: <002201c129f0$e1d950d0$7000a8c0@athlon600> Peter Johnson wrote: > > First, you are right about the shorter rudder horn having to "..do more > > work..", it is carrying more load if it is shorter, but the moment load on > > the rudder horn at the spar centerline is the same, regardless if the horn > > is 6" long and carrying 40 lbs, or 3" long and carrying 80 lbs. I didn't say the moment load on the rudder horn at the spar centerline is the same, I said "You are asking the same piece of metal to do the same amount of work with half the moment arm, so the forces and loads are going to be twice as high." What you don't consider in your argument is that all swaged cable fittings are not created equal. Some are not 100%. Some are not even 25%. Maybe yours are 100%. But then, maybe not. You can cut safety margins in half if you want to, but I'm not going to let you get away with suggesting others to do it, just because it "looks nicer"... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:46:19 -0400 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Some Thoughts on Rudder Horn Length Message-ID: Amen Brother Langford; you just keep on shootin'...!! I could not agree with you more. You just beat me to the draw on this one.....!!! We could use more 'vigilant' people such as you. Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC On Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:42:10 -0500 "Mark Langford" wrote: > Y'all are going to get tired of me shootin' people down, > but doing something > like reducing the length of a bellcrank isn't as simple > as just keeping the > ratios the same at both ends. You are asking the same > piece of metal to do > the same amount of work with half the moment arm, so the > forces (and loads) > are going to be twice as high. Those same increased > forces are going to > have to be taken by the cables and end fittings, as well. > > Another reason things are the size they are is that if > your bellcrank is > only an inch long and you develop a sixteenth of an inch > of play, you've got > some real play. If it's three inches long then it's only > a third as much > play. > > Sorry, I know you wish I would just be quiet... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other system! > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:59:56 -0500 To: From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Sandpaper Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010821075956.0088fdb0@pop3.norton.antivirus> >Now if you want BULL TOUGH sandpaper.... check out the floor finishing paper that commercial wood floor installers use (again, available at a commercial or industrial supply house). 3M makes a sandpaper, 'Resinite Floor Finishing Sandpaper', and it is TOUGH! It is an alumininum oxide abrasive on 'E' weight paper. It's black in colour, comes in the standard grits from 36G up to 240G, and comes in 12" and 24" wide rolls. Not for the faint of heart this stuff, if you wanted to sand an airplane out of a block of epoxy this is what you would use. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++ Pete and Netters, Good info on the sandpaper. This floor finishing paper sounds like the ideal stuff to glue to an eight foot sanding board for those building their own wings and smaller boards for tail surfaces, etc. I'd say 50 or larger grit would be about right. I used wing walk material to do my wings and it worked fine but is quite expensive. The larger grit makes the work go faster and there was no need for me to finish the foam with a smaller grit as you can't really see a difference in the foam finish with the different grit papers. I guess a small piece of this stuff could be used for wing walk if you used the right glue. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:49:26 -0700 To: "'KRnet'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: EGT Caution Message-ID: I have been monitoring the KR NET but have been quite busy lately, so I haven't made much input. But attempting to tune by EGT gets many pilots get into big trouble . I feel someone should shoot the Man that put numbers on Exhaust Gas Temperature gauges. Striving for a particular EGT number reading is a good way to destroy your engine. You must ignore the numbers. Every EGT installation is different and the gauges and probes are seldom calibrated making the numbers worse than useless and even dangerous. The only safe way to adjust the mixture via the EGT is to slowly lean the mixture watching the EGT needle rise until it peaks (remember ignore the numbers), then enrich the mixture until the tachometer drops 50 rpm. This operation is accomplished for cruise only and you must return to rich mixture if you descend. Of course this can also be accomplished using only the tachometer by leaning until the engine runs rough then enrich the mixture until the tachometer drops 50 rpm. Now I can go back to work. Rich Seifert KR2 N56SR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 17:52:09 To: N323XL@mediaone.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: 1/3 off on aluminum Message-ID: I found a good deal on some aluminum if anyone is looking for any. there are a bunch of precut parts listed under "stock list" http://www.mousebar.com/fhome.html Rich Parker _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:47:22 -0500 (CDT) To: "Richard Parker" From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: N323XL@mediaone.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> 1/3 off on aluminum Message-Id: <200108211747.MAA69727@nm1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> Richard and all, This company is about 15 miles from where I live and I have bought from them. Excellent company to deal with. They constantly have auctions on eBay where you can get really good deals. Simply go to www.ebay.com and search aluminum. Mark Jones > I found a good deal on some aluminum if anyone is looking for any. > > there are a bunch of precut parts listed under "stock list" > > http://www.mousebar.com/fhome.html > > Rich Parker > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:59:03 -0700 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Further to the Rudder Horn Length Message-ID: <002301c12a94$fc884540$a409eccf@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C12A5A.335ADAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, it doesn't matter if your control horn is 3" pin to pin, or 6" pin = to pin provided the cable attach point at the rudder pedals is moved = accordingly. Take a look at any RV and you'll see the same cables, the = same 1 x 1 x 1/8 rudder horn as we have, and the noticably shorter = moment of the cable attach on the rudder pedals. The difference in load in the cables and the change in load on the horn = are not significant enough to warrant concern. If the cables are going = to break with an increase in load such a shorter horn would produce, = then there is concern for the integrity of the cables. The horn will = actually be 'stiffer' because it's shorter. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C12A5A.335ADAA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:22:18 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "Dean Selby" Subject: 40 hrs. Message-ID: <002101c12a98$21a45d20$275818d0@deans> ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C12A6E.360D6060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For those of you that may be interested I have completed the first 40 = hr. in the KR. I still have a couple of weight combinations to do = flight test in; but, so far so good. Yes I will have to admit with a = 1915 VW I am slightly underpowered but it handles the load ok. At gross = I am climbing out around 400fpm on a warm day. I guess I can live with = that. Anyway just FYI. Dean Selby deans@usit.net=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C12A6E.360D6060-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:35:36 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "saunders" Subject: Controls Kit Message-ID: <000a01c12a99$fb7b28c0$8060c4cf@mike> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C12A78.73A01E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have an idea of what the R/R Control Kit costs? Single stick = and the pedals. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C12A78.73A01E40-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 19:36:52 -0500 To: saunders , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR> Controls Kit Message-ID: <3B82FEA4.26D848F9@execpc.com> The last advertised price I saw on the rudder pedals was $132.00 and the single control stick was advertised at $160.00. The control stick is very simple to build from plans. Mark Jones saunders wrote: > Does anyone have an idea of what the R/R Control Kit costs? Single stick and the pedals. -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:24:31 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: kr 40 hrs Message-ID: <6f.1978d5fb.28b471df@cs.com> Dean what are the numbers for your combanation.Rpm static in flight take off roll landing roll are you still using the 52x48 Tennessee prop paint yet?. mine is tri with 48 wing same engine same carb dam posa!!!!!!! 560 empty 400 on agood day if you are in the process of trying a new prop i like to now what your rpm before and after all can muster out of 52x46 props inc. is 2900 static I cant call it two place yet maybe never with vw and all the junk in the trunk? thanks mac ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:31:21 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KR Gathering is coming soon... Message-ID: <000901c12ab2$88063ce0$7000a8c0@athlon600> KRNetHeads, This is your subtle reminder that the KR Gathering is coming up in a mere four and a half weeks. I absolutely promise you that if you go, you will not leave disappointed! You will be immersed in KR-dom for 2 or 3 days, and the sacrifice in time will pay dividends in increased KR knowledge! There is no substitute for talking to 50 or 60 guys who've been there, done that. One thing I'd like to remind the pilots of is that I'll be happy to take air-to-air pictures like the one of Marty's plane whenever the weather permits. I've already talked to Tommy and he thought it would be no problem to fit it in. Every year I volunteer, and every year we don't find time to do it. Let's do it this year. There's nothing like a nice close-up air-to-air shot of you flying your KR to get you in the mood to go flying again! Let's just line-em up and take a bunch of pictures. One thing the world needs more of is photos of KRs in flight. I hope somebody's bringing a keg of beer. It's a little far for me to bring one this year, and next year it won't fit in the right seat! The "Official" 2001 KR Gathering will be in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, September 21-23 with Tommy Waymack hosting the affair this time around (870-535-3294 or email him at blindate@seark.net). We recommend the Best Western Pines Motel 800-528-1234 or 870-535-8640 or The Hampton Inn 800-HAMPTON or 870-850-0444. Mention you are with the KR Gathering to get a discount rate. Tentative Gathering Schedule: Thursday, Sept 20 - the real die-hards arrive Friday, Sept 21 - arrivals and hangar flying Saturday, Sept 22 - flying, demonstrations, judging Sunday, Sept 23 - farewells and departures Pine Bluff is located about 40 miles south of Little Rock, Arkansas at the end of Interstate 530. You can expect about 10-25 KRs to fly in for the Gathering, depending on weather. This is THE place to put your hands on real KR aircraft so don't miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening along with lunch on Saturday. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:44:00 -0500 To: Mark Langford From: Mark Jones CC: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... Message-ID: <3B831C6F.53A08F49@execpc.com> Lets get a show of hands here: Who is flying their KR to the Gathering? Who is driving, riding, airlining it, hitchhiking or walking it in to the gathering? I will be flying in on TWA and can't wait. The last two years were great and am expecting this year to be even better. See ya about noon Friday the 21st. Mark Jones Mark Langford wrote: > KRNetHeads, > > This is your subtle reminder that the KR Gathering is coming up in a mere > four and a half weeks. I absolutely promise you that if you go, you will > not leave disappointed! You will be immersed in KR-dom for 2 or 3 days, and > the sacrifice in time will pay dividends in increased KR knowledge! There > is no substitute for talking to 50 or 60 guys who've been there, done that. > > One thing I'd like to remind the pilots of is that I'll be happy to take > air-to-air pictures like the one of Marty's plane whenever the weather > permits. I've already talked to Tommy and he thought it would be no problem > to fit it in. Every year I volunteer, and every year we don't find time to > do it. Let's do it this year. There's nothing like a nice close-up > air-to-air shot of you flying your KR to get you in the mood to go flying > again! Let's just line-em up and take a bunch of pictures. One thing the > world needs more of is photos of KRs in flight. > > I hope somebody's bringing a keg of beer. It's a little far for me to bring > one this year, and next year it won't fit in the right seat! > > The "Official" 2001 KR Gathering will be in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, September > 21-23 with Tommy Waymack hosting the affair this time around (870-535-3294 > or email him at blindate@seark.net). We recommend the Best Western Pines > Motel 800-528-1234 or 870-535-8640 or The Hampton Inn 800-HAMPTON or > 870-850-0444. Mention you are with the KR Gathering to get a discount rate. > Tentative Gathering Schedule: > Thursday, Sept 20 - the real die-hards arrive > Friday, Sept 21 - arrivals and hangar flying > Saturday, Sept 22 - flying, demonstrations, judging > Sunday, Sept 23 - farewells and departures > Pine Bluff is located about 40 miles south of Little Rock, Arkansas at the > end of Interstate 530. > You can expect about 10-25 KRs to fly in for the Gathering, depending on > weather. This is THE place to put your hands on real KR aircraft so don't > miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely > forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening > along with lunch on Saturday. > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:02:37 -0700 To: "Mark Jones" , "Mark Langford" From: "Charles Buddy & Cheryl Midkiff" Cc: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... Message-ID: <005801c12ac7$ab6a1840$0133e341@cmidkiff> Count me in for this year. I have purchased tickets on American Airlines for myself and my wife from Seattle to Memphis. From there we'll rent a car and drive to Pine Bluff. We also booked reservations at the Best Western in Pine Bluff. I bid on the tickets on Priceline.com and going to Memphis instead of Little Rock got me the cheapest tickets. $160.00 roundtrip. See you all there. This weekend I'll be attending a two day composite workshop put on by the EAA at the Arlington, WA airport. This is just what I've been needing because of my lack of fiberglass experience. After the workshop I plan on installing Rands pre-molded top deck and the 14 piece wingskins. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA email: cmidkiff@gte.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Mark Langford" Cc: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 7:44 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... > Lets get a show of hands here: > Who is flying their KR to the Gathering? > Who is driving, riding, airlining it, hitchhiking or walking it in to the > gathering? > I will be flying in on TWA and can't wait. The last two years were great and am > expecting this year to be even better. See ya about noon Friday the 21st. > Mark Jones > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > KRNetHeads, > > > > This is your subtle reminder that the KR Gathering is coming up in a mere > > four and a half weeks. I absolutely promise you that if you go, you will > > not leave disappointed! You will be immersed in KR-dom for 2 or 3 days, and > > the sacrifice in time will pay dividends in increased KR knowledge! There > > is no substitute for talking to 50 or 60 guys who've been there, done that. > > > > One thing I'd like to remind the pilots of is that I'll be happy to take > > air-to-air pictures like the one of Marty's plane whenever the weather > > permits. I've already talked to Tommy and he thought it would be no problem > > to fit it in. Every year I volunteer, and every year we don't find time to > > do it. Let's do it this year. There's nothing like a nice close-up > > air-to-air shot of you flying your KR to get you in the mood to go flying > > again! Let's just line-em up and take a bunch of pictures. One thing the > > world needs more of is photos of KRs in flight. > > > > I hope somebody's bringing a keg of beer. It's a little far for me to bring > > one this year, and next year it won't fit in the right seat! > > > > The "Official" 2001 KR Gathering will be in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, September > > 21-23 with Tommy Waymack hosting the affair this time around (870-535-3294 > > or email him at blindate@seark.net). We recommend the Best Western Pines > > Motel 800-528-1234 or 870-535-8640 or The Hampton Inn 800-HAMPTON or > > 870-850-0444. Mention you are with the KR Gathering to get a discount rate. > > Tentative Gathering Schedule: > > Thursday, Sept 20 - the real die-hards arrive > > Friday, Sept 21 - arrivals and hangar flying > > Saturday, Sept 22 - flying, demonstrations, judging > > Sunday, Sept 23 - farewells and departures > > Pine Bluff is located about 40 miles south of Little Rock, Arkansas at the > > end of Interstate 530. > > You can expect about 10-25 KRs to fly in for the Gathering, depending on > > weather. This is THE place to put your hands on real KR aircraft so don't > > miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely > > forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening > > along with lunch on Saturday. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:15:52 -0400 To: "Mark Jones" , "Mark Langford" From: "Daniel Heath" Cc: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... Message-ID: <001401c12af3$6d69e300$722c5d0c@scana.com> Jerry and I will be driving and we are bringing another local builder, John, who is not on the net. We expect to arrive around 6pm on Friday. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Mark Langford" Cc: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... > Lets get a show of hands here: > Who is flying their KR to the Gathering? > Who is driving, riding, airlining it, hitchhiking or walking it in to the > gathering? > I will be flying in on TWA and can't wait. The last two years were great and am > expecting this year to be even better. See ya about noon Friday the 21st. > Mark Jones > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > KRNetHeads, > > > > This is your subtle reminder that the KR Gathering is coming up in a mere > > four and a half weeks. I absolutely promise you that if you go, you will > > not leave disappointed! You will be immersed in KR-dom for 2 or 3 days, and > > the sacrifice in time will pay dividends in increased KR knowledge! There > > is no substitute for talking to 50 or 60 guys who've been there, done that. > > > > One thing I'd like to remind the pilots of is that I'll be happy to take > > air-to-air pictures like the one of Marty's plane whenever the weather > > permits. I've already talked to Tommy and he thought it would be no problem > > to fit it in. Every year I volunteer, and every year we don't find time to > > do it. Let's do it this year. There's nothing like a nice close-up > > air-to-air shot of you flying your KR to get you in the mood to go flying > > again! Let's just line-em up and take a bunch of pictures. One thing the > > world needs more of is photos of KRs in flight. > > > > I hope somebody's bringing a keg of beer. It's a little far for me to bring > > one this year, and next year it won't fit in the right seat! > > > > The "Official" 2001 KR Gathering will be in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, September > > 21-23 with Tommy Waymack hosting the affair this time around (870-535-3294 > > or email him at blindate@seark.net). We recommend the Best Western Pines > > Motel 800-528-1234 or 870-535-8640 or The Hampton Inn 800-HAMPTON or > > 870-850-0444. Mention you are with the KR Gathering to get a discount rate. > > Tentative Gathering Schedule: > > Thursday, Sept 20 - the real die-hards arrive > > Friday, Sept 21 - arrivals and hangar flying > > Saturday, Sept 22 - flying, demonstrations, judging > > Sunday, Sept 23 - farewells and departures > > Pine Bluff is located about 40 miles south of Little Rock, Arkansas at the > > end of Interstate 530. > > You can expect about 10-25 KRs to fly in for the Gathering, depending on > > weather. This is THE place to put your hands on real KR aircraft so don't > > miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely > > forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening > > along with lunch on Saturday. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 06:39:08 -0400 To: "Mark Jones" , "Mark Langford" From: "mac payne" Cc: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... Message-ID: <001c01c12af6$acd75880$557f0618@ganvil1.ga.home.com> i plan to be there.... via motorcicle. Mac ===== ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Mark Langford" Cc: "KRnet" Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 10:44 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... > Lets get a show of hands here: > Who is flying their KR to the Gathering? > Who is driving, riding, airlining it, hitchhiking or walking it in to the > gathering? > I will be flying in on TWA and can't wait. The last two years were great and am > expecting this year to be even better. See ya about noon Friday the 21st. > Mark Jones > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > KRNetHeads, > > > > This is your subtle reminder that the KR Gathering is coming up in a mere > > four and a half weeks. I absolutely promise you that if you go, you will > > not leave disappointed! You will be immersed in KR-dom for 2 or 3 days, and > > the sacrifice in time will pay dividends in increased KR knowledge! There > > is no substitute for talking to 50 or 60 guys who've been there, done that. > > > > One thing I'd like to remind the pilots of is that I'll be happy to take > > air-to-air pictures like the one of Marty's plane whenever the weather > > permits. I've already talked to Tommy and he thought it would be no problem > > to fit it in. Every year I volunteer, and every year we don't find time to > > do it. Let's do it this year. There's nothing like a nice close-up > > air-to-air shot of you flying your KR to get you in the mood to go flying > > again! Let's just line-em up and take a bunch of pictures. One thing the > > world needs more of is photos of KRs in flight. > > > > I hope somebody's bringing a keg of beer. It's a little far for me to bring > > one this year, and next year it won't fit in the right seat! > > > > The "Official" 2001 KR Gathering will be in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, September > > 21-23 with Tommy Waymack hosting the affair this time around (870-535-3294 > > or email him at blindate@seark.net). We recommend the Best Western Pines > > Motel 800-528-1234 or 870-535-8640 or The Hampton Inn 800-HAMPTON or > > 870-850-0444. Mention you are with the KR Gathering to get a discount rate. > > Tentative Gathering Schedule: > > Thursday, Sept 20 - the real die-hards arrive > > Friday, Sept 21 - arrivals and hangar flying > > Saturday, Sept 22 - flying, demonstrations, judging > > Sunday, Sept 23 - farewells and departures > > Pine Bluff is located about 40 miles south of Little Rock, Arkansas at the > > end of Interstate 530. > > You can expect about 10-25 KRs to fly in for the Gathering, depending on > > weather. This is THE place to put your hands on real KR aircraft so don't > > miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely > > forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening > > along with lunch on Saturday. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 08:46:11 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> KR Gathering is coming soon... Message-ID: <3B83A993.EAC80B9A@mediaone.net> Well, since I have not been able to work on the fuselage this summer, I did not get it to the point that i wanted to drag it down to Arkansas. My hotel room is reserved from thursday to sunday. I will arrive by commercial carrier at Little Rock around 2:30pm on Thursday. Perhaps next year I will be flying my bird in, wherever the next gathering is held. I have been working on the avionics, Rocky Mountain's micro Monitor was my last update to my website. I have the pictures from the assembly of their Micro Encoder. I highly recommend both products. I also assembled RST's Audio Panel. The instructions could use some help, I was scratching my head a lot on this one. I will make some suggestions to jim to improve his product and instructions. About aluminum, I am going down to Bristol, Conn. on friday to get some surplus aluminum from Yarde Metal's Drop Zone. Check them out at http://www.yarde.com/stores-js.html Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire. http://n323xl.iwarp.com Mark Jones wrote: > Lets get a show of hands here: > Who is flying their KR to the Gathering? > Who is driving, riding, airlining it, hitchhiking or walking it in to the > gathering? > I will be flying in on TWA and can't wait. The last two years were great and am > expecting this year to be even better. See ya about noon Friday the 21st. > Mark Jones > > Mark Langford wrote: > > > KRNetHeads, > > > > This is your subtle reminder that the KR Gathering is coming up in a mere > > four and a half weeks. I absolutely promise you that if you go, you will > > not leave disappointed! You will be immersed in KR-dom for 2 or 3 days, and > > the sacrifice in time will pay dividends in increased KR knowledge! There > > is no substitute for talking to 50 or 60 guys who've been there, done that. > > > > One thing I'd like to remind the pilots of is that I'll be happy to take > > air-to-air pictures like the one of Marty's plane whenever the weather > > permits. I've already talked to Tommy and he thought it would be no problem > > to fit it in. Every year I volunteer, and every year we don't find time to > > do it. Let's do it this year. There's nothing like a nice close-up > > air-to-air shot of you flying your KR to get you in the mood to go flying > > again! Let's just line-em up and take a bunch of pictures. One thing the > > world needs more of is photos of KRs in flight. > > > > I hope somebody's bringing a keg of beer. It's a little far for me to bring > > one this year, and next year it won't fit in the right seat! > > > > The "Official" 2001 KR Gathering will be in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, September > > 21-23 with Tommy Waymack hosting the affair this time around (870-535-3294 > > or email him at blindate@seark.net). We recommend the Best Western Pines > > Motel 800-528-1234 or 870-535-8640 or The Hampton Inn 800-HAMPTON or > > 870-850-0444. Mention you are with the KR Gathering to get a discount rate. > > Tentative Gathering Schedule: > > Thursday, Sept 20 - the real die-hards arrive > > Friday, Sept 21 - arrivals and hangar flying > > Saturday, Sept 22 - flying, demonstrations, judging > > Sunday, Sept 23 - farewells and departures > > Pine Bluff is located about 40 miles south of Little Rock, Arkansas at the > > end of Interstate 530. > > You can expect about 10-25 KRs to fly in for the Gathering, depending on > > weather. This is THE place to put your hands on real KR aircraft so don't > > miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely > > forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening > > along with lunch on Saturday. > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://sites.netscape.net/n886mj/homepage > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 00:07:50 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Laheze@aol.com Subject: Wingwalk (Step) Abrasive Message-ID: <7e.19a33748.28b48a16@aol.com> Hey guys, someone mentioned gluing down sandpaper for a wing step abrasive. I bought a two foot piece of step abrasive at a motorhome/travel trailer parts department for my neighbors RV6A. We cut it in half rounded the corners, peeled the backing off and stuck one down on each side. It has been there now for at least 3 years. This stuff comes in rolls with sticky back in different widths for steps on travel trailers or motorhomes. It is great! Larry Howell laheze@aol.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************