From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 31 Aug 2001 20:34:48 -0000 Issue 281 Date: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:35 PM krnet Digest 31 Aug 2001 20:34:48 -0000 Issue 281 Topics (messages 6668 through 6697): Re: the Gathering 6668 by: Christine Coolidge 6669 by: Mark Langford 6670 by: Edwin Blocher 6672 by: Horn2004.aol.com 6689 by: gleone Re: the Gathering/Beer Vote 6671 by: Frank Ross Re: the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers 6673 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 6674 by: Frank Ross 6675 by: Edwin Blocher 6681 by: CruzJ12.aol.com 6684 by: Wayland T Stokes 6685 by: Wayland T Stokes 6690 by: Guenther Bryce First building report 6676 by: Rex T. Ellington 6679 by: Stéfan Balatchev Re: nose gear 6677 by: David Mullins Trade-a-plane 6678 by: pipertripacer54.juno.com VW engines 6680 by: Oscar Zuniga gap seals 6682 by: Oscar Zuniga 6686 by: Mark Langford Re: the Gathering/Dates Sept 21-23 6683 by: Frank Ross Gathering 6687 by: Tom_Livingston.pass-seymour.com 6697 by: Tom Crawford Help- Altimeter repair servic 6688 by: Sam Sayer Foul Mouth 6691 by: bob_lee.juno.com 6692 by: Mark Langford 6693 by: rwmoore 6694 by: Edwin Blocher 6695 by: CHOCTAWCWR.aol.com wanted 74x42 metal prop 6696 by: Richard Reaves Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:59:02 -0700 To: Horn2004@aol.com From: Christine Coolidge Cc: Laheze@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering Message-ID: <20010830.135903.-960151.1.USAUS@juno.com> I hope your joking. Because if you are stupid enough to believ that bull shit! on your mail below then you realy should consider another hobby other than building your own plane. Please make sure you fly the plane you build. Also if you don't like my coments to fu*#@in bad. You should think about what you send and what you may get back. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:59:49 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering Message-ID: <001601c13185$f1d87230$7000a8c0@athlon600> Anybody wishing to reply to this guy needs to "reply all" or send it directly to him, since he doesn't get KRNet email anymore. I have no idea what he's talking about, nor do I really care... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Coolidge" To: Cc: ; Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:59 PM Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering > I hope your joking. Because if you are stupid enough to believ that bull > shit! on your mail below then you realy should consider another hobby > other than building your own plane. Please make sure you fly the plane > you build. > > Also if you don't like my coments to fu*#@in bad. You should think about > what you send and what you may get back. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 13:55:27 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering Message-ID: <001701c13185$5651d720$9e9131cc@cyou.com> What can you expect. His name is Christine. Now to more serious stuff. So far on the beer flovor for the gathering I have one vote each for Beer and Amber Boch. I tried some Amber Boch last Sunday and can tell you it tastes so dry that you could drink a lot before you have to pee. Ed Blocher Crestview, FL Blocher@cyou.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 1:59 PM Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering > Anybody wishing to reply to this guy needs to "reply all" or send it > directly to him, since he doesn't get KRNet email anymore. I have no idea > what he's talking about, nor do I really care... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Coolidge" > To: > Cc: ; > Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 3:59 PM > Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering > > > > I hope your joking. Because if you are stupid enough to believ that bull > > shit! on your mail below then you realy should consider another hobby > > other than building your own plane. Please make sure you fly the plane > > you build. > > > > Also if you don't like my coments to fu*#@in bad. You should think about > > what you send and what you may get back. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:49:31 EDT To: usaus@juno.com, Horn2004@aol.com From: Horn2004@aol.com CC: Laheze@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering Message-ID: <28.19f68cbd.28bff2cb@aol.com> In a message dated 8/30/01 1:49:52 PM, usaus@juno.com writes: <> Wow, your parents must be very proud! Perhaps you should take leave of KRNet if this is the best your limited intelligence is able to muster. Yes, I do find your foul mouthed rantings pathetic and unproductive. But due to your obviously lame grip on the English language, I'm not surprised at the limited scope of your thought process (or lack thereof). In the future, please sign your name to the filth you're spewing. And do make yourself known to me at the gathering. Steve Horn horn2004@aol.com Dallas, TX ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:22:22 -0600 To: Christine Coolidge From: gleone CC: Horn2004@aol.com, Laheze@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering Message-ID: <3B8FC7CE.44ADAA8F@tritel.net> I really think if people can't keep their language clean on this net then there are plenty of nets they can go to and use all the "bull s***" and "f******" they want. It does not belong on the KR Net and these people should be dropped from the net. Christine Coolidge wrote: > I hope your joking. Because if you are stupid enough to believ that bull > shit! on your mail below then you realy should consider another hobby > other than building your own plane. Please make sure you fly the plane > you build. > > Also if you don't like my coments to fu*#@in bad. You should think about > what you send and what you may get back. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 12:25:56 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote Message-ID: <20010830192556.10587.qmail@web4703.mail.yahoo.com> Ed, I know you are a connosewer, conaseir, con, oh hell, I trust your taste in beer. So that's my vote. I'm real glad there's a guy like you who's willing to go to all the trouble. Thanks ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 15:21:16 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers Message-ID: I wish I could come; I'd vote for one of each of those beers. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com Read on, all the way... A philosophy professor stood before his class and had some items in front of him. When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a large empty mayonnaise jar and proceeded to fill it with rocks, rocks about 2" in diameter. He then asked the students if the jar was full? They agreed that it was. So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and poured them into the jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of course, rolled into the open areas between the rocks. He then asked the students again if the jar was full. They agreed it was. The students laughed. The professor picked up a box of sand and poured it into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up everything else. "Now," said the professor, "I want you to recognize that this is your life. The rocks are the important things - your family, your partner, your health, your children - things that if everything else was lost and only they remained, your life would still be full. The pebbles are the other things that matter like your job, your house, your car. The sand is everything else. The small stuff." "If you put the sand into the jar first, there is no room for the pebbles or the rocks. The same goes for your life. If you spend all your time and energy on the small stuff, you will never have room for the things that are important to you. Pay attention to the things that are critical to your happiness. Play with your children. Take time to get medical checkups. Take your partner out dancing. There will always be time to go to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and fix the disposal." "Take care of the rocks first - the things that really matter. Set your priorities. The rest is just sand." But then... A student then took the jar which the other students and the professor agreed was full, and proceeded to pour in a glass of beer. Of course the beer filled the remaining spaces within the jar making the jar truly full. The moral of this tale is: That no matter how full your life is, there is always room for BEER. Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 18:22:16 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: RE: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers Message-ID: <20010831012216.20855.qmail@web4705.mail.yahoo.com> --- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" wrote: > I wish I could come; I'd vote for one of each of > those beers. > Ron Freiberger... We'll miss you Ron. It's not the beer as much as the people you drink it with... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:25:41 -0500 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers Message-ID: <001b01c131bb$da43b400$a29131cc@cyou.com> Right on, Frank. Thursday and Friday evenings around the keg are where you really meet and get to know each other. The first time we got together informally was 1999 at Barkley. Thursday evenning about a dozen of us sat out there until after dark telling stories. Lets make it a tradition. If we could have the Gathering in Florida next year we would start on Monday at my house. Ed Blocher Crestview, FL Blocher@cyou.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Ross To: Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 8:22 PM Subject: RE: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers > --- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" > wrote: > > I wish I could come; I'd vote for one of each of > > those beers. > > Ron Freiberger... > > We'll miss you Ron. It's not the beer as much as the > people you drink it with... > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 08:49:34 EDT To: , , From: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers Message-ID: <15d.35708e.28c0e1df@aol.com> What are the dates for the KR gathering this year? Sept.20th through staurday? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:23:17 -0500 To: Blocher@cyou.com From: Wayland T Stokes Cc: kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers Message-ID: <20010831.092318.-605787.0.tomstokes1@juno.com> I think in 1997 in Perry Oklahoma we were at the hanger on Friday where Ms Rand and the long timers got up and talked. I think that was one of the most enjoyable times I have had at the gatherings. And Mark I think we had a keg in someones pick-up. We also had almost all the West Coast Crew there. (Mike Mimms you coming). I live in Pine Bluff but havent been too active lately. I have one of my little boys in trouble and have been spending most of my time trying to prove he and I are good people. I am looking forward to this gathering. Tom Stokes Pine Bluff AR tomstokes1@juno.com or tomstokes1@aol.com ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:27:33 -0500 To: CruzJ12@aol.com From: Wayland T Stokes Cc: Blocher@cyou.com, kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers Message-ID: <20010831.092734.-605787.1.tomstokes1@juno.com> Here is a quote from Marks earlier message, I think it is still good. Tom Stokes Pine Bluff AR tomstokes1@juno.com or tomstokes1@aol.com The "Official" 2001 KR Gathering will be in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, September 21-23 with Tommy Waymack hosting the affair this time around (870-535-3294 or email him at blindate@seark.net). We recommend the Best Western Pines Motel 800-528-1234 or 870-535-8640 or The Hampton Inn 800-HAMPTON or 870-850-0444. Mention you are with the KR Gathering to get a discount rate. Tentative Gathering Schedule: Thursday, Sept 20 - the real die-hards arrive Friday, Sept 21 - arrivals and hangar flying Saturday, Sept 22 - flying, demonstrations, judging Sunday, Sept 23 - farewells and departures Pine Bluff is located about 40 miles south of Little Rock, Arkansas at the end of Interstate 530. You can expect about 10-25 KRs to fly in for the Gathering, depending on weather. This is THE place to put your hands on real KR aircraft so don't miss it! Most everybody that wants a ride in one gets it. You won't likely forget it soon either. We will once again have dinner catered Friday evening along with lunch on Saturday. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:30:04 -0700 (PDT) To: ron.martha@mindspring.com, Frank Ross , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: RE: KR> the Gathering/Beer Vote for all conasewers Message-ID: <20010831173004.81490.qmail@web11104.mail.yahoo.com> Actually the manifestation of the forgoing story was edited the fluid was water and not beer and in Church we were told that similar story but the Holy Ghost is what fills up the spaces between the rocks and sand pebbles of life to make a persons life truly complete! The KR is a joy in many peoples life like mine but the gathering is for the KR enthusiasts and as for the familiar spirits of beer abstinance is ok ! --- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" wrote: > I wish I could come; I'd vote for one of each of > those beers. > > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > Read on, all the way... > A philosophy professor stood before his class and > had some items in front > of him. > > When the class began, wordlessly he picked up a > large empty mayonnaise > jar and proceeded to fill it with rocks, rocks about > 2" in diameter. He then > asked the students if the jar was full? > > They agreed that it was. > > So the professor then picked up a box of pebbles and > poured them into the > jar. He shook the jar lightly. The pebbles, of > course, rolled into the > open areas between the rocks. He then asked the > students again if the jar > was full. They agreed it was. > > The students laughed. The professor picked up a box > of sand and poured it > into the jar. Of course, the sand filled up > everything else. > > "Now," said the professor, "I want you to recognize > that this is your > life. The rocks are the important things - your > family, your partner, > your > health, your children - things that if everything > else was lost and only > they remained, your life would still be full. The > pebbles are the other > things that matter like your job, your house, your > car. The sand is > everything else. The small stuff." > > "If you put the sand into the jar first, there is no > room for the pebbles > or the rocks. The same goes for your life. If you > spend all your time and > energy on the small stuff, you will never have room > for the things that > are important to you. Pay attention to the things > that are critical to > your happiness. Play with your children. Take time > to get medical > checkups. Take your partner out dancing. There will > always be time to go > to work, clean the house, give a dinner party and > fix the disposal." > > "Take care of the rocks first - the things that > really matter. Set your > priorities. The rest is just sand." > > But then... > > > A student then took the jar which the other students > and the professor > agreed was full, and proceeded to pour in a glass of > beer. Of course the > beer filled the remaining spaces within the jar > making the jar truly > full. > > > > > The moral of this tale is: > > > That no matter how full your life is, there is > always room for BEER. > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 20:48:43 -0500 To: krnet From: "Rex T. Ellington" Subject: First building report Message-ID: <3B8EECFB.624B57B4@telepath.com> G'Morning All I haven't followed things closely enough to be sure what should and should not be sent on Friday. Anyway, this is the first progress report on my bird. The basic fuselage structure is there. Took me two weeks longer than planned. Every time I think I have something better in mind than K.R., it costs me time-though I like it in the end. My fuselage was laid out upside down on the work table. The centerline and crossmember stations were plotted out and marked on the table. The max width is at the shoulders, 42". The 'top' longerons were held in place by blocks tacked to the table on the desired profile. Then, the topside cross members were glued in place and braced with corner blocks (which had only one angle since everything was in a single plane. Now, I guarandarntee that I have a plane of reference and a center line for all future measurements. I love West System epoxy, especially the way it soaks into the wood. After breaking a few test joints, I adopted a two-part sequence for gluing. Part 1, brush both faces with pure epoxy and let it soak in for a few minutes. Then, I make up the joint with epoxy containing some flox. Reason, on the test joints, I had some that looked as if filled primarily with flox and starved for glue. {So, I mix a batch for three minutes and then divide it into two parts.} Also, since we were having 110 degree days, I had a pie plate with a half inch of water and ice chips, with my mixture cup sitting in it. This way I could use the whole batch without exothermic take off. And the basic cure was over 100 degrees. I soaked the bottom longeron in water in a section of PVC. The next step was to take 1/2 x 5/8 pine pieces glued together in 'H' configuration, with horizontals at the inside depth of the fuselage at each station, and the horizontal piece extensing an inch or so outside the verticals. Picture it this way. At each station the bottom longer. would nest on the top of the cross piece and snuggle up next to the vertical - Preserving my desired dimensions. Next, the bottom longerons were pulled out of the water and clamped to the H's, starting at the tail. Again, they were clamped with side vertical and top flat. Picture this, again all the corner blocks between top long. and verticals had right angles, and single angle between vertials and bottom long. The bottom longerons were allowed to dry in place for a week before being glued. After drying, only about two inches of spring was needed to hold the bottom long. in position to be glued. So, every fuselage frame is a rectangle from Station M forward to E. Then, the Top long. was already brought in to 36" at firewall, and the bottom was bowed in to 31.75", so the last stations were trapezoids. I have been cutting my corner blocks with a cheap U.S. copy of a Japanese pull saw and expendable miter boxes, follow by touch-up with a disk sander. I apologize for taking so much space, but my approach is a bit different, for the reasons I did not like about Ken's construction approach, when I first tried it in 1975. Rex Ellington Norman OK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 09:08:25 +0200 To: , "krnet" From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9fan_Balatchev?= Subject: Re: KR> First building report Message-ID: <003c01c131eb$badce980$6e2380d9@rn1kk> ----- Original Message ----- From: Rex T. Ellington To: krnet Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 3:48 AM Subject: KR> First building report > > I love West System epoxy, especially the way it soaks into the wood. > After breaking a few test > joints, I adopted a two-part sequence for gluing. Part 1, brush both > faces with pure epoxy and let > it soak in for a few minutes. Then, I make up the joint with epoxy > containing some flox. Reason, > on the test joints, I had some that looked as if filled primarily with > flox and starved for glue. > {So, I mix a batch for three minutes and then divide it into two parts.} > Also, since we were having > 110 degree days, I had a pie plate with a half inch of water and ice > chips, with my mixture cup > sitting in it. This way I could use the whole batch without exothermic > take off. And the basic cure > was over 100 degrees. > As I can't get the T-88 here, I used the same approach for gluing my spar flanges. However, the flox is difficult to spread on big bonding surfaces and sometimes the joint is not perfect. I use Epolam 2015 (Hexcell derivative for boat construction) epoxy with one-hour hardener. I think that I found some better approach - I brush both faces with pure epoxy, then I prepare a second batch with about 4 to 5 times more epoxy. I warm this batch to 45-50 Centigrades and I wait until the resin reaches the same consistence as a Sunflower or Colza oil. So the glue is ready for use - it doesn't soak any more into the wood and it fills very well the gaps. At the other side, This approach has been tested with several samples and the results are very satisfactory. Stéfan Balatchev, Paris, France mailto:Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 01:24:38 -0400 To: "w.g. kirkland" From: David Mullins CC: Doherty Al , krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> nose gear Message-ID: <3B8F1F96.508F0344@mediaone.net> Bill, I finally got a look at that Grumman Yankee nose gear leg. It would work but not in my case. The tube measures 1.5" in diameter and .125" wall. My mount was built with 1.250" .120 wall tube with a 1" diameter .120 wall leg. If I had the leg already I probably would have used it when I built the mount. The gear leg actually mounts to a transverse torque tube for those hard landings. This guy had to replace his because of the larger/heavier engine he installed. Cost for the replacement was $1400. He wanted too much money for this one. So I passed on it. I have some progress to report. I have built both my Rocky Mountain Micro Encoder and an RST Audio Panel. Look for a website update next week. I also received my Ameri-king ELT and the precurved mylar gap seals from the supplier I sent in a previous post. I purchased my aluminum stock for my Instrument panel, I have a few tweaks to the CAD file and off it goes to the water jet cutter. I also got some 5052-H32 stock for my fuel tanks and will start on them this weekend. Yarde Metals gave me a good deal on this stuff (two 3' x 8' sheets for $40). Included with my order was a few 2' x 4' sheets of 6061-t6 for my engine baffles. I am not standing still while my bird is in storage. I WILL have my bird flying by the next gathering. Gathering info : I will be arriving at Little Rock at 12:15pm Thursday on Delta . Anyone coming in around that time and needs a ride let me know. My room reservation is at the Best Western Pines. Does anyone need anything brought to the gathering. Last year I brought two coolers. I have a set of RR rudder pedals with all mounting hardware and two small master cylinders. they were installed on a bird that never flew. I purchased them to use but they are not wide enough for my bird. $100 and I will bring them to the gathering for you if you want. Gathering Bound, David Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com mailto:n323xl@mediaone.net PS. Ed, I will help you tap that keg when you arrive. "w.g. kirkland" wrote: > I am in a similar situation. Would you include me in ur responses. > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doherty Al" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 8:02 PM > Subject: KR> nose gear > > > I want to install a nose gear on my KR2.It has the > > soob engine with an oil pan hanging below. The gear > > has to be really light weight. > > Has anyone got suggestions as to types available? > > > > _______________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2001 23:00:19 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: pipertripacer54@juno.com Subject: Trade-a-plane Message-ID: <20010830.231644.-114345.0.pipertripacer54@juno.com> Kr-netter's Would anyone be interested in trading their COMPLETED KR-2 or 2S for a four place Piper Tri-Pacer? Unfortunately, I am divorced now, and just don't have the need for four seats any longer. I would rather have the extra economy (I'm poor now) and 20-30 mph. Write me direct if interested, and I will zap you a picture with details. Thanks. Dave pipertripacer54@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:49:39 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: VW engines Message-ID: Hello, netters; I'm just now catching up on hundreds of emails that stacked up while I went on vacation, but someone posted here looking for an engine for their KR. Not sure what you were looking for, but for a complete, running, firewall-forward 1835 VW off a Dragonfly, contact Patrick Panzera (panzera@sierratel.com) down in Southern California. I think it is for sale, and Pat is good to deal with. Also, I have a VW engine mount for the KR that I could be talked into selling. Mine is from a KR with 1835 VW, with single magneto. NOT with Diehl or HAPI accessory case; the mount I have fits directly onto the 4 VW case mount points. Anybody interested in this mount, contact me off-net. As long as I have the soapbox, I think I also saw someone say they were interested in a good 100 HP VW. The Type I VW is not a 100 HP engine! It is my opinion that the aero-converted VW in its various displacements and flavors, 2100 included, should be considered a 65-70 HP engine, tops. Now I don't know about the Type 4 (which is more robust). If you want a solid, well-supported 140 MPH KR-1 or -2, you can go straight to the VW conversion to get there. Great Plains Aircraft has everything you need to convert, build, install, and accessorize your VW engine for this task. However, if you're looking to go faster or to power a KR-2S or a heavy -2, you'll need more oomph than an 1835, and even the 2100 is on the edge for that duty. My opinion, FWIW. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:06:51 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: gap seals Message-ID: Hello, netters; Someone asked about mylar gap seals. For some precurved mylar seals check out the ones available at http://www.wingsandwheels.com/page28.htm (and pages following, too). I looked at the lower gap seal drawing that Mark Langford posted, the one showing extending the lower wing skin, and it seems to me that the skin/gap seal will flex when the aileron is deflected downward. Certainly, glass will flex to the limited degree required, but it seems that it would add heaviness to the control feel (plus, paint may crack off where the glass flexes). Or, Mark- did I interpret that detail incorrectly? FWIW, Jeff Scott has experimented with aileron gap seals (underside of wing) on his KR-2S with stock airfoil and C-85 power, and found no significant benefit. He was quite thorough in his testing of climb, cruise, and stall... so I'm not sure there is any gain in sealing the lower gaps on the stock wing. Now the "made-for-KR" AS50XX-series wings may indeed show some improvement with gap seals. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.geocities.com/taildrags/ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:11:09 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> gap seals Message-ID: <001801c1322f$2a7b9b40$7000a8c0@athlon600> OZ wrote: > FWIW, Jeff Scott has experimented with aileron gap seals (underside of wing) > on his KR-2S with stock airfoil and C-85 power, and found no significant > benefit. He was quite thorough in his testing of climb, cruise, and > stall... so I'm not sure there is any gain in sealing the lower gaps on the > stock wing. Now the "made-for-KR" AS50XX-series wings may indeed >show some improvement with gap seals. Yep, I'd say gap seals are mandatory on the AS504x airfoils. Otherwise your climb rate is cut in half! But they do make the ailerons a little heavier than they already are. That drawing I did wasn't exactly to scale, and showed no provision for an aileron stop, so it shows a range of 17 degrees of travel. Using 10 degrees of travel (10 down, 20 up), the gap deflects .09" over a one inch span, which is certainly in the elastic range for two layers of glass. But you're right that maybe they shouldn't be painted if you're worried about keeping the paint from chipping off. I was just looking for a way to eliminate the "bump" of the front edge of the tape, while minimizing maintenance on the things by making them a permanent part of the plane. On my plane I deliberately left a little joggle right in front of the flap and aileron (on the bottom for the flap, on the top for the aileron) for gap seals, whether mylar or permanent fiberglass. (see http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/99101051.jpg , although they're not really shown here). I guess I should do a little updating of that page with regards to ailerons and flaps. I'll do that right after my cowling is done, which might be pretty soon. It's just about the right shape now, and I've taken the day off to cut out the cooling air inlets. Maybe before the weekend's over I'll have a coat of paint on it and be ready to pull a mold off it... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:24:48 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Cc: CruzJ12@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> the Gathering/Dates Sept 21-23 Message-ID: <20010831132448.26352.qmail@web4701.mail.yahoo.com> Yes --- CruzJ12@aol.com wrote: > What are the dates for the KR gathering this year? > Sept.20th through staurday? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:33:49 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tom_Livingston@pass-seymour.com Subject: Gathering Message-ID: I realize this is a LONG SHOT, but, I am desperate to get stick time in a KR2. Mine is complete but I need KR2 flight experience. If anyone is planning to fly a KR2 from the North-East to the gathering, I WILL PAY ALL EXPENSES + to have the opportunity to co-pilot a KR2 to the Gathering. I live in central NY state, but I am willing to meet at your home airport. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:49:15 -0400 To: Tom_Livingston@pass-seymour.com From: Tom Crawford CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Gathering Message-ID: <3B8FF84B.5EE2@ufl.edu> Tom_Livingston@pass-seymour.com wrote: > > I realize this is a LONG SHOT, but, I am desperate to get stick time in a > KR2. Mine is complete but I need KR2 flight experience. If anyone is > planning to fly a KR2 from the North-East to the gathering, I WILL PAY ALL > EXPENSES + to have the opportunity to co-pilot a KR2 to the Gathering. I > live in central NY state, but I am willing to meet at your home airport. > Tom, Stop by Gainesville on your way, and I'll give you some stick time. Tom Crawford Gainesville, FL N262TC Flying N???TC Wings Mailto:toys@ufl.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:21:30 -0400 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Help- Altimeter repair servic Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1321F.D8E2C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I dropped my altimeter and broke the pivot pin. My local instrument rep= air could not find nor locate a pin for this Japanese make (Shinko Electric Co.) altimeter. = Phoned Century Instrument Corp.- They wanted nothing to do with Japanese product= s. I searched the net but could not locate a repair service shop that could = handle it. I searched under Shinko Electric Co. They list every phase of aircraft b= ut non for altimeter repair. Thanks in advance for all the help I can get. I do no= t need to hear "Buy American" Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1321F.D8E2C600-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 02:02:01 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: bob_lee@juno.com Subject: Foul Mouth Message-ID: <20010901.020201.197.15.bob_lee@juno.com> Dear Mr. Krnet-admin, Is that you Rossy? We need to pull this guy's ticket! It's ok to get mad but that doesnt give one liscence to be uncivilized. Take this guy out of the net's authorized list of participants please. Regards, Bob Lee ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:07:10 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Foul Mouth Message-ID: <005301c13247$c1badbc0$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> > Dear Mr. Krnet-admin,... We need to pull this guy's ticket! He's been gone since an hour after he posted it, and I posted it then. It would be helpful if a lot of you guys would read all of your KRNet email, and mark the ones you'd like to respond to as you go (called "flagging"). Then when you get to the end go back through them and see which ones somebody else already answered to your satisfaction, rather than commenting on something that's already bee dealt with (or beat to death), sort of like this one... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 14:18:28 -0400 To: bob_lee@juno.com From: rwmoore CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Foul Mouth Message-ID: <3B8FD4F3.E11709BE@alltel.net> I agree, he has no excuse to talk that way. Lets get a campaign to remove this foul mouth jerk. R. W. Moore bob_lee@juno.com wrote: > Dear Mr. Krnet-admin, > > Is that you Rossy? We need to pull this guy's ticket! It's ok to get > mad but that doesnt give one liscence to be uncivilized. Take this guy > out of the net's authorized list of participants please. > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 13:26:52 -0500 To: "rwmoore" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Foul Mouth Message-ID: <000d01c1324b$5ac0b800$9f9131cc@cyou.com> Why don't you guys wake up and read your mail. He was removed shortly after he sent the mail to the net. Mark L sent a message to the net within an hour of this persons message saying he was no longer on the net and suggested e-mailing him direct. I did and got a reply back that made as much sense as his other message, but it was funny too. Have a safe Labor Day weekend. Since it is Friday, if anyone would like to see where my KR2S will be at home in a couple of months let me know and I'll e-mail you a picture off-net. The net won't take my jpg because it is too big and I don't know how to compress it. Send me your e-mail address if you are interested. Anyone that want's to visit when we are moved in is welcome. There will be a refrigerator in the shop with your choice of cold drinks. But if you want other than beer it will be BYOB or let me know in advance. Have a safe weekend, ED Ed Blocher Crestview, FL Blocher@cyou.com ----- Original Message ----- From: rwmoore To: Cc: Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:18 PM Subject: Re: KR> Foul Mouth > I agree, he has no excuse to talk that way. Lets get a campaign to remove > this foul mouth jerk. > R. W. Moore > > bob_lee@juno.com wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Krnet-admin, > > > > Is that you Rossy? We need to pull this guy's ticket! It's ok to get > > mad but that doesnt give one liscence to be uncivilized. Take this guy > > out of the net's authorized list of participants please. > > > > Regards, > > > > Bob Lee > > ________________________________________________________________ > > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 15:13:57 EDT To: bob_lee@juno.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: CHOCTAWCWR@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Foul Mouth Message-ID: <13c.ac4cac.28c13bf5@aol.com> --part1_13c.ac4cac.28c13bf5_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit i agree, i have no problem with him voicing his opinion, just that it should have been directed to one person, not 500 people waisting their time reading such junk. thats my opinion and it is ALWAYS right. --part1_13c.ac4cac.28c13bf5_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:24:45 -0400 To: From: "Richard Reaves" Subject: wanted 74x42 metal prop Message-ID: <001101c1325a$fb1e58c0$af3a74cc@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C13239.721E5640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please Help me find a 74" diameter by 42" pitch metal prop for a 65hp = continental engine. Thanks ( 42" pitch or close to that number. ) Richard Reaves=20 richard@sccoast.net ph 843-651-2555 Myrtle Beach SC ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C13239.721E5640-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************