From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 17 Sep 2001 21:26:48 -0000 Issue 293 Date: Monday, September 17, 2001 2:27 PM krnet Digest 17 Sep 2001 21:26:48 -0000 Issue 293 Topics (messages 7011 through 7040): nothing else to do 7011 by: Eddie6870.aol.com No Fly 7012 by: Ross R. Youngblood 7033 by: Guenther Bryce 7034 by: Richard Parker 7035 by: Larry A. Capps 7036 by: Guenther Bryce 7037 by: Bo124rs.aol.com Re: body height and ground plane 7013 by: BillStarrs 7014 by: Mark Langford 7038 by: dene.collett Re: HEY EVERYONE, "WE GONNA HAVE A GATHERING" 7015 by: Frank Ross Re: PETER PRINCIPLE/OFF-TOPIC 7016 by: Frank Ross Re: Gathering as Planned 7017 by: Gognij.aol.com 7018 by: Edwin Blocher 7039 by: Leonardoadrenalina Re: AOPA ePilot -- Vol. 3, Issue 38 7019 by: Frank Ross Re: KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? 7020 by: Frank Ross 7021 by: Peter Johnson Hanger Heating 7022 by: POND CARTER 7023 by: Tim Brown 7024 by: Mark Langford 7025 by: Larry A. Capps CERTIFIED KR2 FOR SALE 7026 by: Elaine Chandler 7027 by: Philip J. Visconti 7028 by: Mark Langford 7029 by: Ron Lee Kr Specs 7030 by: Bob Unternaehrer Re: KR Photos 7031 by: Scott Stanton KR question 7032 by: Seifert, Richard E Are you really coming to the gathering? 7040 by: bob_lee.juno.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:45:44 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Eddie6870@aol.com Subject: nothing else to do Message-ID: Since I cant go hang out at the airport I thought some of you might be interested in my ramblings. I live 4 miles north of Washington and fly out of W32 , get out your charts guys and youll see its right up Andrews AFB s' ass , probably wont be reopened for a long time if ever. I work downtown most of the time and have been remodeling a house in Columbia Heights. On Wednesday I went to work and when I got there I decided to walk down to Cardozza High so I could get a look at the city. The view from there is spectacular as it is the edge of a bluff that looks down over the entire lower part of the city. As I stood there I could see the Capital on my left with old RFK stadium just west of that, the Mall and all the Smithsonian Museums right down in front of me , the White House just a bit to the right and on a beautiful day such as it was I could see all of Georgetown clear down to the waterfront. What I saw that day was something that I had hoped and until now thought that I never would see in my lifetime. There in the background just across the river is the Pentagon with a gaping hole in it and smoke billowing out, top that horrific site with HumVees and soldiers on every corner of M street as far as the eye could see and F-16 fighters flying combat patrol over the f#$%ing Capital of the United States. I dont think I can really characterize the mood of people that live in the east right now but these attacks have certainly made me begin to think of an escape plan for heading to the mountains. One thing that I know for sure is that this shits gonna get worse before it gets better. Get together and enjoy yourselves at the gathering and celebrate freedom and friendship, I wish I was able to join you. Peace to All, Your KR brother in the Nations Capital, E. Canterbury ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:18:01 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: No Fly Message-ID: <3BA4FAE9.BC060AA8@home.com> Howdy 'netters. Every Sunday, I meet with a few members of the local flying club for breakfast. One of the members is very agitated about the VFR flying restrictions we are under at the moment. I thought I would share his positions with the KR-net communitity for some reactions. His argument is that GA pilots are probably one of the most law-abiding segments of society. I'm assuming due to the regulatory structure we live within when we excersize our pilot certificates. Furthermore he believes that the difference between a 2500 GA aluminum aircraft and 757 in terms of terror potential is significant. He suggests that the AOPA should be asking all GA pilots to email their elected officials in an effort to open up the skys again to GA pilots. Currently I believe the AOPA is not recommending this. Several of us believe that given the magnitude of the events of the past week, any effort to mail congress on this topic might be lost in the noise. My belief is that we would need to come up with a convincing argument, which would get us flying earlier than the government will otherwise allow... (if ever). This is of course for VFR flight, IFR point to point travel is currently allowed I understand. Personally, I think I will express my concern to my elected officials, that our "liberties" with respect to VFR flight have been restricted, and at a minimum, I would like an explaination of what benefit this VFR restriction is providing. (For example, it may provide fewer targets for the AWAC's planes to be concerned with). I would also like to understand when GA could be expected to return to normal. The GA infastructure in our country is fragile at best, and many small FBO's are probably seeing a major impact due to the lack of small aircraft flights to non-towered airports around the country. Just thought I would throw this out to see what the consensus is out there... should we begin emailing our officials to express our concern? Perhaps trailering our KR's to Washington later this year if the restriction is not lifted by Christmas? -- Regards Ross ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:22:58 -0700 (PDT) To: rossy65@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> No Fly Message-ID: <20010917162258.48386.qmail@web11107.mail.yahoo.com> No Fly Reaction: Today 09-17-01 I met personally with Congresswoman Emerson officse of S.E. Missouri and told her I am deeply concerned with General Aviation future and the reprocussions from this tragedy. EAA meeting yesterday many people said EAA flying is over and people won't be able to fly anymore. Having spent the last 10 years building my KR and now being not able to fly it makes me very very sad. I can't speak for every one but many say they will fly irregaurdless of what the federal government say's! Ole' Jessie James bandit from Liberty Missouri in the 1800's defyed the Government when the Rail Road companys took land from them and killed his mother. Jessie James American Outlaw did what he had to do to survive and the moneys he stole from the RR he gave back to the local farmers and the Alliance was their we got to protect our interests and to government can overstep their realistic authority when it comes to flyings folks. Many Cropduster and FBO's beside the airlines are faultering and crying to Congress Representatives for a reprive. We KR folks (vfr) are just as rightful to airspace access as the (IFR) folks if not than what? --- "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > Howdy 'netters. > Every Sunday, I meet with a few members of the > local flying club for > breakfast. One of the members is very agitated > about the VFR > flying restrictions we are under at the moment. I > thought I would > share his positions with the KR-net communitity for > some reactions. > > His argument is that GA pilots are probably one of > the most > law-abiding segments of society. I'm assuming due > to the > regulatory structure we live within when we > excersize our pilot > certificates. Furthermore he believes that the > difference between > a 2500 GA aluminum aircraft and 757 in terms of > terror potential > is significant. > > He suggests that the AOPA should be asking all GA > pilots to > email their elected officials in an effort to open > up the skys again > to GA pilots. Currently I believe the AOPA is not > recommending > this. > > Several of us believe that given the magnitude of > the events of the > past week, any effort to mail congress on this topic > might be lost > in the noise. My belief is that we would need to > come up with a > convincing argument, which would get us flying > earlier than the > government will otherwise allow... (if ever). This > is of course for > VFR flight, IFR point to point travel is currently > allowed I understand. > > Personally, I think I will express my concern to > my elected officials, > > that our "liberties" with respect to VFR flight have > been restricted, > and > at a minimum, I would like an explaination of what > benefit this VFR > restriction is providing. (For example, it may > provide fewer targets > for the AWAC's planes to be concerned with). I > would also like > to understand when GA could be expected to return to > normal. > > The GA infastructure in our country is fragile at > best, and many small > > FBO's are probably seeing a major impact due to the > lack of small > aircraft flights to non-towered airports around the > country. > > Just thought I would throw this out to see what > the consensus > is out there... should we begin emailing our > officials to express our > concern? Perhaps trailering our KR's to Washington > later this year > if the restriction is not lifted by Christmas? > > -- Regards > Ross > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:29:10 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> No Fly Message-ID: I find that ridiculously hard to believe. It would be a death sentence for too many companies that support the largest growing segment of aviation as well as most certified manufacturers. >EAAmeeting yesterday many people said EAA flying is over >and people won't be able to fly anymore Richard Parker > >No Fly Reaction: Today 09-17-01 I met personally with >Congresswoman Emerson officse of S.E. Missouri and >told her I am deeply concerned with General Aviation >future and the reprocussions from this tragedy. EAA >meeting yesterday many people said EAA flying is over >and people won't be able to fly anymore. Having spent >the last 10 years building my KR and now being not >able to fly it makes me very very sad. I can't speak >for every one but many say they will fly irregaurdless >of what the federal government say's! Ole' Jessie >James bandit from Liberty Missouri in the 1800's >defyed the Government when the Rail Road companys took >land from them and killed his mother. Jessie James >American Outlaw did what he had to do to survive and >the moneys he stole from the RR he gave back to the >local farmers and the Alliance was their we got to >protect our interests and to government can overstep >their realistic authority when it comes to flyings >folks. Many Cropduster and FBO's beside the airlines >are faultering and crying to Congress Representatives >for a reprive. We KR folks (vfr) are just as rightful >to airspace access as the (IFR) folks if not than >what? > > > > >--- "Ross R. Youngblood" wrote: > > Howdy 'netters. > > Every Sunday, I meet with a few members of the > > local flying club for > > breakfast. One of the members is very agitated > > about the VFR > > flying restrictions we are under at the moment. I > > thought I would > > share his positions with the KR-net communitity for > > some reactions. > > > > His argument is that GA pilots are probably one of > > the most > > law-abiding segments of society. I'm assuming due > > to the > > regulatory structure we live within when we > > excersize our pilot > > certificates. Furthermore he believes that the > > difference between > > a 2500 GA aluminum aircraft and 757 in terms of > > terror potential > > is significant. > > > > He suggests that the AOPA should be asking all GA > > pilots to > > email their elected officials in an effort to open > > up the skys again > > to GA pilots. Currently I believe the AOPA is not > > recommending > > this. > > > > Several of us believe that given the magnitude of > > the events of the > > past week, any effort to mail congress on this topic > > might be lost > > in the noise. My belief is that we would need to > > come up with a > > convincing argument, which would get us flying > > earlier than the > > government will otherwise allow... (if ever). This > > is of course for > > VFR flight, IFR point to point travel is currently > > allowed I understand. > > > > Personally, I think I will express my concern to > > my elected officials, > > > > that our "liberties" with respect to VFR flight have > > been restricted, > > and > > at a minimum, I would like an explaination of what > > benefit this VFR > > restriction is providing. (For example, it may > > provide fewer targets > > for the AWAC's planes to be concerned with). I > > would also like > > to understand when GA could be expected to return to > > normal. > > > > The GA infastructure in our country is fragile at > > best, and many small > > > > FBO's are probably seeing a major impact due to the > > lack of small > > aircraft flights to non-towered airports around the > > country. > > > > Just thought I would throw this out to see what > > the consensus > > is out there... should we begin emailing our > > officials to express our > > concern? Perhaps trailering our KR's to Washington > > later this year > > if the restriction is not lifted by Christmas? > > > > -- Regards > > Ross > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > > or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > > some other system! > > > > >__________________________________________________ >Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? >Donate cash, emergency relief information >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:47:18 -0500 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: No Fly Message-ID: <000301c13f98$6a301740$0500a8c0@24.181.195.150> "You met personally with Congresswoman Emerson office".....And what did the Congresswoman "OFFICE" tell you? By the way, learn to sign your product, it makes the rest of us know just how sincere you really are to have produced it. #1 on the runway, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- From: Guenther Bryce [mailto:guentheraviator@yahoo.com] Subject: Re: KR> No Fly No Fly Reaction: Today 09-17-01 I met personally with Congresswoman Emerson officse of S.E. Missouri and told her I am deeply concerned with General Aviation future and the reprocussions from this tragedy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 09:57:40 -0700 (PDT) To: lacapps@home.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Guenther Bryce Subject: Re: KR> No Fly Message-ID: <20010917165740.39312.qmail@web11106.mail.yahoo.com> Larry; the Congresswomans office Jo Ann Emerson (Missdouri) said that in light of the circumstances they have to be "overly cautious" and pilots from all over the bootheel of Missouri are complaining! SINCERELY !!! Bryce Guenther KR builder,pilot, A&P mechanic, Aeronautical Engineer Fredericktown, Missouri Thanks for reading my effort to defend our Flying Rights! --- "Larry A. Capps" wrote: > > "You met personally with Congresswoman Emerson > office".....And what did the > Congresswoman "OFFICE" tell you? > > By the way, learn to sign your product, it makes the > rest of us know just > how sincere you really are to have produced it. > > > #1 on the runway, > > Larry A. Capps > Naperville, IL > > -----Original Message----- > From: Guenther Bryce > [mailto:guentheraviator@yahoo.com] > Subject: Re: KR> No Fly > > > No Fly Reaction: Today 09-17-01 I met personally > with > Congresswoman Emerson officse of S.E. Missouri and > told her I am deeply concerned with General Aviation > future and the reprocussions from this tragedy. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:46:28 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Bo124rs@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> No Fly Message-ID: <26.1b636a06.28d79f04@aol.com> --part1_26.1b636a06.28d79f04_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/17/2001 12:23:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guentheraviator@yahoo.com writes: > We KR folks (vfr) are just as rightful > to airspace access as the (IFR) folks if not than > what? > Guys, I'll try to respond to this with information I have gleaned. The FAA has implemented very strict IFR requirements for the use of the system. We are currently required to pick up our clearances on the ground, no airborne pickup or filling, and must cancel by phone upon landing. Prior to this the normal course of action, if VFR on takeoff, was to take off and remain VFR will picking up your clearance. Your flight plan was subsequently closed automatically upon landing if you used ATC and shoot the approach. Direct is much harder to get now as they are pretty much requiring you to fly the victor airways. Any deviation from course, altitude or time requires you call FSDO upon landing. Any equipment failures, including transponder and you are instructed to land immediately. Course deviations or altitude requests are pretty much out of the question. I hope I have painted a very good representation of the current state of ATC. The talk from the controllers and FSS is VFR traffic operates under no required flight plans, therefor "deviations" could not be addressed as quickly as deviations on IFR flight plans. They are not trying to punish VFR traffic, it is simply a safety issue at this time. They don't want anyone flying "under the umbrella", they want to know where everyone is going. For right now, it's in our nations best interest. Let's bear with it, VFR will be back into the system. Dana Overall --part1_26.1b636a06.28d79f04_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 12:44:06 -0700 To: "John and Janet Martindale" , "KRnet" From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Re: KR> body height and ground plane Message-ID: <00c301c13ee7$f47a2e60$02defea9@bstarrs> A thin copper tape on the vertical stabilizer will do for the VHF antenna. Most of the Aviation supply houses have the kit. Sorry can't' help you with the transponder. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John and Janet Martindale" To: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2001 2:56 PM Subject: KR> body height and ground plane Folks I have a KR2 and am 5' 7". I find I have about 6" head clearance under the standard RR canopy. To achieve this, however, the seat pan must be dished between the tops of the front and rear spar such that your backside is almost on the bottom skin. If you use a straight line between the two spar tops and sit on that, your head will be munster like ie., flat on the top. Also a semi-reclined orientation makes a big difference . Does anyone have an idea on the best dimension of a ground plane for a conventional VHF antenna and a transponder antenna? Would a thin aluminium sheet shaped to fit within one of the rear fuselage "floor panels" be big enough. I remember someone talked about a 8" pie dish for the transponder. Cheers John ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:49:29 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> body height and ground plane Message-ID: <006301c13ee8$b4fa4580$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> > Does anyone have an idea on the best dimension of a ground plane for a > conventional VHF antenna and a transponder antenna? Would a thin aluminium > sheet shaped to fit within one of the rear fuselage "floor panels" be big > enough. I remember someone talked about a 8" pie dish for the transponder. See http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kpanel.html for transponder and antenna details and dimensions. I used a 5.5" diameter sheet of then aluminum for the transponder. You don't need a ground plane if your VHF antenna is a dipole, as Bill said, made from copper tape on the tail. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:41:37 +0200 To: "John and Janet Martindale" , "KRnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: Re: KR> body height and ground plane Message-ID: <00b501c13fb4$f6471000$175b21c4@dean> ----- Original Message ----- Folks Does anyone have an idea on the best dimension of a ground plane for a conventional VHF antenna and a transponder antenna? Would a thin aluminium sheet shaped to fit within one of the rear fuselage "floor panels" be big enough. I remember someone talked about a 8" pie dish for the transponder. Cheers John John, As far as I know the normal antennae used is a 1/4 wave whip. The ideal ground plane would be a radius of 1/4 wavelength. I make it out to be roughly 600mm. This is probably too big so a compromise will have to be made. Please someone correct me if I am wrong. Dene Collett South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 13:49:03 -0700 (PDT) To: Wayland T Stokes , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> HEY EVERYONE, "WE GONNA HAVE A GATHERING" Message-ID: <20010916204903.67285.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Tom Stokes, Just to let you know I plan to be there from Thurs afternoon until Sun afternoon. Thanks BTW, I just flew back from Seattle and commercial aviation right now is what we used to call in the Air Force a "Major Cl*ster F*ck" Sure hope it is better in the next few days. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 14:12:53 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> PETER PRINCIPLE/OFF-TOPIC Message-ID: <20010916211253.68032.qmail@web14004.mail.yahoo.com> Phil, I'll bet that's where the term "Experimental Aviation" came from :} Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX (Where we also have some wonderful world class politicians, like Henry Cisneros, for instance) --- "Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > I made a mistake when I said the head of security at > Boston Logan Airport > was appointed by the recent Ex-Governor. The > chauffer was appointed by > former Governor Weld in 1993. > > The Boston Globe newspaper reported the people > running MassPort Authority > (which operates Logan Airport) for the past 9 years > or so have no > aviation experience and were all political > appointments. Two were > appointed by former governor Weld and the most > recent was a press aide, > campaign manager for Weld. > > Phil ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 17:29:31 EDT To: flykr2s@execpc.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Re: KR> Gathering as Planned Message-ID: --part1_c1.13ef76ed.28d673bb_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Guys you can fly if you file a flightplan with the FSS. Just remember to cancel your VFR flight plans when you arrive. You will only have to activate your flight plan after you takeoff by radio when airborne. You can cancel on the phone by dialing 1800WXBRIEF, when you arrive on the ground. Best Regards Jim Gogniat --part1_c1.13ef76ed.28d673bb_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:32:38 -0500 To: , , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering as Planned Message-ID: <000801c13ef7$1cbee000$998c31cc@cyou.com> Jim and all, Go to www.aopa.org and you will see that no VFR is allowed at present. All flight plans must be IFR , activated on the ground, no inflight cancellations and closed on the groung. VFR flight is still prohibited and it's anyones guess when it will be allowed. I hope they lift the ban because after talking to my wife I changed my mind about the gathering. I think it is still iffy for this coming week. Just keep checking AOPA's site., Cheers ED Ed Blocher Crestview, FL Blocher@cyou.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 4:29 PM Subject: Re: KR> Gathering as Planned > Guys you can fly if you file a flightplan with the FSS. Just remember to > cancel your VFR flight plans when you arrive. You will only have to activate > your flight plan after you takeoff by radio when airborne. You can cancel on > the phone by dialing 1800WXBRIEF, when you arrive on the ground. > Best Regards Jim Gogniat > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:20:44 -0300 To: "Ron Eason" , , From: "Leonardoadrenalina" Subject: Re: KR> Gathering as Planned Message-ID: <000c01c13fb6$3be2c680$17b9c0c8@estacao1> Hey Kr fellows !! Don't forget to take lots of pictures of statics and flying Krs, cause i,m here crazy to see them . Gathering as planned ....huuuuurrraaa.... í won't be there but i can imagine how fun it's.please someone drink my beer. Leo. Brazil. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 15:55:00 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Fwd: AOPA ePilot -- Vol. 3, Issue 38 Message-ID: <20010916225500.14342.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> For those of you who don't get AOPA newsletter, this may help understand current FAA position on VFR flying and possible problems with the Gathering. It is long. AOPA has some editing handicaps. I took out what I could. Included are web addresses to stay up-dated on latest changes. Frank AOPA ePilot Special Report September 14, 2001 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ALL IFR AND VFR GENERAL AVIATION FLIGHTS ARE > PROHIBITED WITHIN THE > NATIONAL AIRSPACE SYSTEM UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE. Never > did I think that > I would see a notam like this. I had spoken Thursday > morning with both > the Secretary of Transportation and the FAA > administrator. As the ultimate > optimist, I could only continue to hope that their > promise of reopening > the national airspace system to full access by > general aviation would be > real. > > Yes, we are in the early recovery phases of a major > national crisis. But > the communication failure within the FAA itself and > other government > agencies has produced an aviation crisis in its own > right. Throughout > Thursday morning, the news media touted an FAA notam > indicating that the > airspace would be open to all aviation users at > 1500Z. AOPA verified this, > downloaded a copy from DUAT, and placed it on our > Web site. > > Within minutes, I received a call from a high-level > FAA manager indicating > that the subject of GA was still under review. > Reluctantly, and with great > disappointment, we changed our Web posting to warn > pilots that they might > not be able to fly at 1500Z. However, pilots who did > obtain a legal briefing > got that notam, filed flight plans, and in some > cases even departed at what > they thought was a legal hour. But in fact, they had > unknowingly violated > a new notam issued at 1457Z prohibiting all GA > flights. The horror stories > then began to unfold. Flight crews had told their > corporate CEOs they could > depart at 11 a.m. Eastern time (1500Z), taxied out, > and then were turned > around by the tower. Some flights did get into the > air, but don't count > them lucky. F-16s intercepted not only corporate > aircraft, but also a Texas > student and flight instructor. All were forced to > return to home base and > land. > > When we first became aware of the possibility that > this could happen, AOPA's > senior vice president of government and technical > affairs, Andy Cebula, called > the head of FAA Flight Standards and obtained his > pledge that no one caught > in this mixed-up notam mess would be subject to an > enforcement action. "Chaos" > is the best way to describe the FAA environment that > your association is > working in. Flight service stations are offering > conflicting information to > pilots, sometimes contradicting information issued > from FAA headquarters. > > It appears that users are being allowed back into > the airspace system segment > by segment. Late Thursday afternoon, it was Part 135 > flights, better known as > charter flights to you and me. But that decision may > be reversed. Later Thursday, > Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta and I > spoke again. In a lengthy > phone conversation, he told me about the continuing > debate among the president's > national security team. The nation still faces > serious security threats. The > Capitol building was evacuated because of a > suspicious package. Many airports > have received bomb threats. And the three major New > York airports were closed > right after they reopened because federal > authorities detained more suspects, > including one reportedly carrying false pilot > credentials. > > Nevertheless, Mineta convinced a meeting of the > president's National Security > Council (which included Secretary of State Colin > Powell, National Security > Advisor Condoleezza Rice, and FBI Director Robert S. > Mueller) to at least > consider allowing IFR general aviation operations > soon. "But Mr. Secretary, > I'm most concerned about the return of basic VFR > privileges," I said. "And > this type of flying presents no security threat to > the nation." Secretary > Mineta agreed, and we spent 45 minutes on the phone > discussing general aviation > and the continued security threat. But he told me > that the National Security > Council perceives VFR flight as uncontrolled, and > therefore a greater threat > somehow. It became very obvious to me that the > Secretary of Transportation > tried his best to change that perception. He had the > right arguments, he made > the correct points, and he was much more eloquent > than any one of us. In some > cases, he even called on his primary flight training > background to make points > we wanted heard. > > And then late Thursday evening, AOPA learned that, > because of the continuing > threats, the approval for Part 135 operations might > be rescinded. > > The bottom line is that decision-makers outside of > the FAA and the Department > of Transportation believe the nation still faces a > heightened security risk, > and that general aviation might be used to attack > the nation. While we all > know that is pretty farfetched, the mood at the > moment is to not take any > risks, no matter how unlikely they might be. > > AOPA is continuing to push on all fronts to get > general aviation back in the > air. But let me manage your expectations. When the > security threats lessen, > first will come the approval for Part 91 IFR flying. > Then, no sooner than > 48 hours later should come the restoration of VFR > privileges. We will continue > to post updates on AOPA Online ( > http://rdr1.net/1/rdr.asp?id=7D1913151946EB4 ) > as quickly as information becomes available. > TERROR ATTACKS HAMPER GA EVENTS > The National Business Aviation Association has > postponed its annual > meeting and convention that was to take place next > week. NBAA said that it > wanted to "redirect the association's resources > toward national recovery > and aid to the victims and their families" following > the terror attacks. A > date has not been set. Also, at press time, the Reno > Air Racing Association > is hoping the National Championship Air Races will > continue despite having > to change the qualifying criteria because of the > delay caused by the national > flight restriction. The event was to begin yesterday > and run through Sunday > in Reno, Nevada. To check the status of the event, > visit > ( http://www.airrace.org/index.php ). > > COMPANY ANIMATES DEADLY ATTACKS > Flight Explorer has prepared graphical animations > showing flight paths > of the American and United Airlines jets that struck > the World Trade Center > in New York on Tuesday. The company provides > PC-based software that tracks > the flight profiles of aircraft throughout the > United States. To view the > animation on AOPA Online, see ( > http://rdr1.net/1/rdr.asp?id=7D1913151946908 ). ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 16:19:36 -0700 (PDT) To: Bud Wilson , MiloKetchum@aol.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: RE: KR> KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? Message-ID: <20010916231936.33769.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> --- Bud Wilson wrote: > I have a KR2 with an EA81 dual carb. I have over > 180 hours on it now with no major problems. >It is not a showpiece but a lot of > fun. Due to the many changes, etc. it does not look > very good cosmetically now. I may show up at the fly >in for a few hours on Saturday and return that >afternoon. > Bud Wilson > N311BW Bud, Sure hope you get to the Gathering. It was real nice to see your plane at the Canton event and it's important to see how a really BIG guy can still build and fly a KR. Also, you have many creative innovations on your plane many of us can learn from. It may not be a show plane, but it sure flys a lot better than anything I've got. Hope to see you (and your plane) at the Gathering. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 11:29:32 -0700 To: , From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? Message-ID: <000701c13f1c$329a6d20$9c09eccf@peter> Hi Milo. Just last night, I received a call from a fellow looking for someone else at an entirely different number. The fellow introduced himself 'Les Palmer', and said he was looking for Tom who's helping with the fly-in next weekend. What are the chances that Les would call one number, get an entirely different number (me), who knew who he was, and who Tom was, and what fly-in was coming up next weekend?! This 'wrong number phone call' turned into a 1 1/2 hour discussion of KR's landing gear, props, composites, and of course, engines. May I suggest that you call Les in Dallas and talk with him about EA-81's and EJ-22's in KR's, he's done both. Les' phone number is 972-241-4387, he's not on the net. Les seemed a very helpful and interested fellow and I'm sure he will help you out with anything of interest you will have re: using the Soob. And when you call him, tell him Peter, the wrong number in Kenora, gave you his address. Talk about coincidences! Also, there are two KR's flying with EA-81's in this area, and 'Contact' magazing has published lots of info on various Soob's, their phsyical info, cooling needs, induction and spark systems etc. Also again, there is a Subaru ezine much like this one that has subscribers flying KR's. Hope this helps Milo. Talk to you later... mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 14, 2001 7:10 AM Subject: KR> KR2 with EA-81 Subaru? > Gang, > This is my fourth time posting this request. I really do need to know if > anyone has any information on any KR-2 flying with a Subaru EA-81. For that > matter, any Subaru? > Not grouchy, just beginning to wonder if I have invested in a dead > horse.......... > Milo in Checotah OK. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:43:17 -0700 To: kr From: POND CARTER Subject: Hanger Heating Message-ID: <3BA57155.837F50CF@home.com> Hi Netter's I put up put a garage to build my KR in. Two by four frame 12ft by 24ft with steel flat roofing. Can any one suggest how to heat it. We in Ontario Canada have not used igloos for a while but every year in different :). What temperature do I need to maintain well fiber glassing and for how long. Can i get away with propane portable radiant heaters. Looking for spar material from the Western Canada supplier. Is he still in business or did he retire this summer. I realize there are some supplier in Toronto. Carter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 18:01:07 -0700 (PDT) To: POND CARTER , kr From: Tim Brown Subject: Re: KR> Hanger Heating Message-ID: <20010917010107.54777.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> I live in So. Calif. but up in the mountains where it once in a great while goes down to single digit, but usually stays in the low 20s for a low. Anyway, last December I obtained from a heating and air conditioning company a furnace they took out of a new home. The homeowner wanted to upgrade to a larger system. This business had several furnaces out in his back yard that he had removed...many just rusting away but several that he had just pulled out during the summer. He told me that I could have anyone out there I wanted...for free as long as I would have him make the plenums and acquire any duct work I needed from him. As it turned out, I got about 90% of the ducting from his dumpster...he had just completed a re ducting of a house (again an upgrade). I bought the registers, plenum and a thermostat. Bottom lone was the I can not heat my garage too warm in about 20 minutes and it cost me about a hundred dollars. Tim BTW: you need at least 55 degrees for stuff to cure. I warm my garage when I get home from work, do what I need to do, then turn the thermostat down to 60 when I go to bed and off when I get up next morning. --- POND CARTER wrote: > Hi Netter's > > I put up put a garage to build my KR in. Two by > four frame 12ft by 24ft > with steel flat roofing. Can any one suggest > how to heat it. We in > Ontario Canada have not used igloos for a while > but every year in > different :). What temperature do I need to > maintain well fiber glassing > and for how long. Can i get away with propane > portable radiant heaters. > > Looking for spar material from the Western > Canada supplier. Is he still > in business or did he retire this summer. I > realize there are some > supplier in Toronto. > > Carter > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so > use some other system! > __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:03:43 -0500 To: "kr" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Hanger Heating Message-ID: <00a201c13f14$98b7e950$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Carter wrote: > What temperature do I need to maintain well fiber glassing > and for how long. Can i get away with propane portable radiant heaters. Others may have more info on other epoxies, but for Aeropoxy you need at least 72 degrees for about 24 hours. If you try it at 65, it will never really cure. Vinylester (AS&S) may be considerably better, considering that you can just add more catalyst and make it do just about whatever you want, if you can stand the smell. Check with AS&S for more details. Have you checked the Wicks and AS&S catalogs for info? For gluing wood, T-88 is good down to 50 or so. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:06:22 -0500 To: "'kr'" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Hanger Heating Message-ID: <000201c13f14$f8c5e860$0500a8c0@24.181.195.150> If I just built a well insulated workshop, my recommendation would be to use a "heat pump". With a heat pump you will be able to control the humidity in winter or summer, and at a very economical price. Your glass lay-ups need to be maintained at a minimum of 75F, but it would also be nice to crank up the temps to 85 or higher for curing! Blue Skies, Larry A. Capps -----Original Message----- Can any one suggest how to heat it. What temperature do I need to maintain well fiber glassing and for how long. Can i get away with propane portable radiant heaters. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 20:19:30 -0000 To: From: "Elaine Chandler" Subject: CERTIFIED KR2 FOR SALE Message-ID: <002b01c13eec$e4a66a80$4d3685d0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C13EEC.E3EDC8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2100D revmaster - $7,500 Jerry Chandler (336)351-4900 ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C13EEC.E3EDC8E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:41:01 -0400 To: echandler@advi.net From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> CERTIFIED KR2 FOR SALE Message-ID: <20010916.224102.-384149.1.viscan@juno.com> Jerry, Is this a new or used Revmaster ? Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 22:09:40 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> CERTIFIED KR2 FOR SALE Message-ID: <001801c13f26$32e6d3e0$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Not trying to be picky, but how about a few more details? When I post something, I try to answer ALL the questions in advance, so that I get it over with and I don't leave a hundred people wondering. Condition? What type gear? Avionics? Instruments? Number of hours on engine and airframe? Location? A little history, maybe? You guys might find that when you anticipate the questions, and answer them beforehand, it's a lot easier on you.... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:58:18 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ron Lee Subject: Re: KR> CERTIFIED KR2 FOR SALE Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20010916215818.007a3030@pcisys.net> At 10:09 PM 9/16/01 -0500, you wrote: >Not trying to be picky, but how about a few more details? When I post And email the guy directly por favor Ron Lee ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 07:39:41 -0500 To: From: "Bob Unternaehrer" Subject: Kr Specs Message-ID: <00da01c13f75$efd19d60$42a14541@hppav> ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C13F4B.E952CF60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would like some general specs on the KR....approx empty weights with VW = engine, gross weight, wing area and wing loading., wing and fuselage = length. Have any been built with the VW belt reduction drive. Blue Skies Bob Unternaehrer ------=_NextPart_000_00D7_01C13F4B.E952CF60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 06:09:57 -0700 (PDT) To: toys@ufl.edu, KR-net users group From: Scott Stanton Subject: Re: KR> KR Photos Message-ID: <20010917130957.85404.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com> Hey guys, For some reason I can't get to this site. Could sombody who can get to the site find out the IP address for me? Oh yea, the site is http://www.mydigaphoto.com Thanks, Scott --- Tom Crawford wrote: > All, > > I just got a postcard in the mail telling me to > check out the photos of > my plane that were taken at Sun and Fun this year. > These guys took 13 > photos of me landing. Now they are trying to sell me > copies (4 x6) for > $14.00 each. America- what a country! Why didn't I > think of that idea? I > wonder how many photos the actually sell? > > Anyway, check out the site if you flew into S&F this > year, they may have > photos of your bird- or check out N262TC- or anyone > else who flew in for > that matter. Just type in any N number. > > www.mydigaphoto.com The big pics take a while to > load, but they're > pretty good. > > -- > Tom Crawford > Gainesville, FL > N262TC Flying > N???TC Wings > Mailto:toys@ufl.edu > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > ===== -- Scott Stanton __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 08:01:39 -0700 To: "'KRnet'" From: "Seifert, Richard E" Subject: KR question Message-ID: <8A97DE8E620DA845880C2E4FFC734ADA1950A7@XCH-SW-09.ds.boeing.com> Richard Fisher asked: I'm curious if the standard KR2 would be suitable for a person that is 6'3" with a 34" inseam and 175 lbs or would the KR2S be the better choice. I understand there are some pitch stability issues with the original KR2S design that can only be fixed by using a different wing. Also, what is the consensus over building from plans vs buying the factory kits?? Richard I am a 6' 4" tall, 36" inseam, 187 lb KR-2 builder and pilot of 13 years. I lengthened the fuselage 2" in front of the spar and 6 or 8" aft to make up for it. I increased the width 2" through the cockpit and made my own canopy. The plane is two place and still cruses at 170 mph and I occasionally take up passengers. The wonderful thing about a KR is that it is a build from scratch plane and you can make it fit you. As for the stability issue: the KR is not a stable instrument platform, but is often more stable than the knothead holding the stick. On the other hand any deviation from the plans should not be done unless you are willing to take on the responsibility that goes with it. Look at every flying KR you can find to see what works and be very cautious with any unproven modification. Rich Seifert KR2 N56SR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:26:27 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: bob_lee@juno.com Subject: Are you really coming to the gathering? Message-ID: <20010917.172628.161.13.bob_lee@juno.com> Netters, Time is running out and we all need to make a decision. Travel expenses can also buy KR parts? Good information from experienced builders can save time and money. What to do? I don't want to spend the travel money if nobody will be there and I don't want to stay home and miss the good time if the gang is going to show up. Please reply to me directly with a one word answer to each question. 1. Yes or No: Are you coming to the Gathering this year in Pine Bluff regardless if the VFR restriction is lifted? 2. Yes or No: Will you attend the Gathering if the VFR restriction is lifted? I will tabulate the results and post it on the net. If the feedback changes your mind you can send me a correction and I will update the survey results. Regards, Bob Lee ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************