From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Oct 2001 00:24:31 -0000 Issue 310 Date: Saturday, October 20, 2001 5:25 PM krnet Digest 21 Oct 2001 00:24:31 -0000 Issue 310 Topics (messages 7335 through 7350): Re: run out of trim(up) 7335 by: virgnvs.juno.com 7337 by: Richard Parker Kohler alternator 7336 by: Ralph H Snyder California KR-1 In the works... 7338 by: Stephen Glover Re: Come Mr. Taliban turn over bin ladin 7339 by: BillStarrs Wood for KR 7340 by: Eduardo José Jankosz Update 7341 by: Edwin Blocher 7343 by: David Mullins 7344 by: cartera Re: GASOLINE OCTANE RATING AND VW ENGINES 7342 by: macwood KR2S:FOR SALE 7345 by: David Hartz For sale? a KR? a dollar? 7346 by: CS 7347 by: Frank Ross KRs, Do I hear a dollar? 7348 by: CS 7350 by: David Hartz KR2S FOR SALE (MORE INFO) 7349 by: David Hartz Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:00:45 -0400 To: Flymaca711689@cs.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> run out of trim(up) Message-ID: <20011018.220521.-344293.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Slow down. Use 1.3Vs, Virg On Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:19:09 EDT Flymaca711689@cs.com writes: > My question Is that IT seams like all Kr run out of up trim Its not > areal > problem but It be nice to be able to use more up on landing If you > blink > airspeed jumps right back to 90 or better 0n a75 80 approach. > > > > > > mac 1055a > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 12:22:39 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> run out of trim(up) Message-ID: A bigger trim tab would be real easy to install. even after the empenage is complete. I believe Tom Crawford just lengthened his with some aluminum. Richard Parker >From: Flymaca711689@cs.com >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> run out of trim(up) >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:19:09 EDT > >My question Is that IT seams like all Kr run out of up trim Its not areal >problem but It be nice to be able to use more up on landing If you blink >airspeed jumps right back to 90 or better 0n a75 80 approach. > > > > > >mac 1055a _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:45:41 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ralph H Snyder Subject: Kohler alternator Message-ID: <20011018.224543.-16366631.0.ralphndori@juno.com> A while back someone posted some information and model no. on a Kohler alternator. I can't find it in the archives and I need it for a friend who is building a Peitenpol with a Corvair engine. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. Ralph Snyder Burbank, CA ralphndori@juno.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:43:09 -0700 To: From: "Stephen Glover" Subject: California KR-1 In the works... Message-ID: <000701c158bd$22cce0c0$0200000a@Glover> Hello all, I just wanted to share a little about my project. As you can tell from above, it is a KR 1 with "a few" changes. I am installing retractable gear similar to Don Betchan's old KR-2. He has been very helpfull in explaining to me how his system worked. I have drawn out his design in CAD to make sure I could fit it into my center section. I have decided to use the new KR airfoil, again with some slight mods. I am going with a 50% taper similar to Richard Shirley's awesome little KR that some of you may have seen at the KR Gathering. This will allow me enough room in the leading edge so I will not need any "bumps" to get the gear in. I will have approximately 58 sq ft opposed to his 52 sq ft. Richard has also been extremely helpful in teaching me about composites. My last plane was metal so this is a whole new learning curve. Mark Langford's site also has an incredible amount of information as well. I have learned a ton there....definitely a must see if you are building a KR. The boat is complete and has been widened from the cockpit forward. I will finish the glass on the horizontal this weekend. The elevator and rudder are already complete. My spars were complete but with the new gear, I need to make the main spar 6'. I placed the order for the spruce on Wednesday. I have a set of KR 1 main spars and an complete set of KR-1B spars if anyone is interested. I found a great deal on a Great Planes 2180cc conversion with Diehl accessory case and Ellison throttlebody for power. If there is anyone in Orange County, California building a KR, please let me know...I still have a lot to learn. Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. n925sg@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:36:58 -0700 To: "KR-net" From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Fw: Fw: Come Mr. Taliban turn over bin ladin Message-ID: <000201c158c5$07444200$02defea9@bstarrs> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15889.FB011300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill McCarthy" To: Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Fwd: Fw: Come Mr. Taliban turn over bin ladin turn up speakers Bill McCarthy MWSC Data Communications Coordinator 271-5684 bmcart@mwsc.edu ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15889.FB011300 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="Fw_ Come Mr. Taliban turn over bin ladin.eml" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Fw_ Come Mr. Taliban turn over bin ladin.eml" Received: from griffon.mwsc.edu by groupwise.mwsc.edu; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:22:04 -0500 Received: from cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com (cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com [207.46.181.84]) by griffon.mwsc.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id f9IKM3o23488 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:22:04 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pavilion ([63.26.48.48]) by cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.3779); Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:21:11 -0700 Message-ID: <002101c1581f$907e20a0$30301a3f@pavilion> From: "Schieb" To: "Tom Gaume" , "Teresa Holman" , "Teresa /Tony Holman" , "randy/susie holtman" , "Rebecca Messall" , "Patsy Bors" , "Maureen Reardon" , "Maureen Cleary" , "John Jurcyk" , "John J Jurcyk Jr." , "Janet Scheier" , "bryan j brown" , "Brenda McQuinn" , "Bill//Tamara McCarthy" , "barbara pretz" , "barbara pretz" Subject: Fw: Come Mr. Taliban turn over bin ladin Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:55:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C157E4.DD479320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Oct 2001 20:21:12.0669 (UTC) FILETIME=[6E5340D0:01C15812] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C157E4.DD479320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 8:02 AM Subject: Come Mr. Taliban turn over bin ladin > > http://www.gotlaughs.com/funpages/bin2.cfm > > Have speakers on for this one. > > > ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C157E4.DD479320 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="BDY.RTF" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="BDY.RTF" http://www.gotlaughs.com/funpages/bin2.cfm Have speakers on for this one. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C157E4.DD479320-- ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C15889.FB011300-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:05:00 -0300 To: "krnet" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Jos=E9_Jankosz?=" Subject: Wood for KR Message-Id: <200110192210.f9JMAvp34713@cwbone.bsi.com.br> Hello KRNetter's I asked to a friend about physicals/mechanichals specs of wood to built a KR, but he doesn't had this! Netters, what type of wood do you use here to make the structure of the KR?Do you have the mecanichals and physicals characteristicals of that wood? I know that here is used betula for propellers and spruce for others parts! Do you have the characteristicals of these woods? Or others? Here in Brazil, usually, is used the "freijó"(Cordia sp, family Beraginaceae) a amazonian wood, with density 0,68, very resistant. I want to make a comparision between yours wood and the brazilian wood! Thank you! Eduardo José Jankosz jankosz@bsi.com.br http://www.bsi.com.br/cbcb Curitiba - PR - BRASIL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 17:04:22 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Cc: "corvaircraft" Subject: Update Message-ID: <004f01c158ea$05578d60$da9131cc@cyou.com> ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C158C0.19543A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Since it is Friday I will update what's going on with 899EB. We will be = moving in our new house in Santa Rosa Beach, Florida in 3 to 4 weeks. By = the time all the boxes etc. are unpacked I hope to be working on my KR2S = and Corvair engine before Christmas. Then it will be full speed ahead. = My wife keeps looking at the house and asking me if the garage is bigger = than the house so you get the idea that I have enough room to work on my = project. Another thought; Bill Kirkland will be down here for the month = of March. If anyone would be interested a get together then just let me = know and I'll plan something. Cheers, Ed. Ed Blocher Crestview, FL Blocher@cyou.com ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01C158C0.19543A40-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 20:48:46 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: KRNet Subject: Re: KR> Update Message-ID: <3BD0C9EE.B18D48D6@mediaone.net> > Netters, To get your daily KR fix, Here is my status: Tomorrow I get the neighbors garage for the winter. I will reinstall the lights and get it ready to heat. Sunday I will tow my bird back from the airport were I had it on display last weekend for our chapter's fall flymarket. Something else I will work on is; running an ethernet cable from my broadband router to the garage, put in a spare computer with a webcam so y'all can stop by and see me working on my bird. It will be the first KRCam on the web! My instrument panel came back from the waterjet cutter last friday. I installed the instruments to show at the flymarket. You can expect a small update on my site about it within a week. On the Aeroelectric list there was a discussion about electro-luminescent lighting for the instrument panels. I will show you what I found and the costs. You can pay $300 for the "aero" ones or $50 from another source. The end caps for the two aluminum stub wing tanks are cut and formed. The center sections will be sheared to size on monday and I will include the stub wing tanks in the next update too. I have a deadline to meet; to have my bird at the 2002 KR gathering. Ed, glad to see you getting back on the builder's wagon. Happy building to all, and to all a good night. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:41:33 -0600 To: Edwin Blocher From: cartera CC: KRNet , corvaircraft Subject: Re: KR> Update Message-ID: <3BD0F26D.1D776D20@cuug.ab.ca> Blown away!!!!!!! Never open attachment without an explanation in the body, no matter who sends it. Edwin Blocher wrote: > > Part 1.1 Type: Plain Text (text/plain) > Encoding: quoted-printable -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 13:11:10 +0100 To: From: "macwood" Subject: Fw: KR> GASOLINE OCTANE RATING AND VW ENGINES Message-ID: <000201c158f4$71b2eae0$e14b3c3e@tinypc> Would Ron's comments about VSR(valve seat recession) and valve guides apply to VW aero-conversions (Revmaster , Happi ,Limbach )? Bottom line is : can I run my Revmaster on forecourt unleaded? Regards Mac W , UK ----- Original Message ----- From: ron To: : Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2001 7:40 PM Subject: KR> GASOLINE OCTANE RATING AND VW ENGINES > Copied this info. > > Ron > > Subject: Re: GASOLINE OCTANE RATING AND VW ENGINES > From: Aussiebug@hello.net.au > Date: 1998/01/26 > Message-ID: <885858894.1962606595@dejanews.com > Newsgroups: rec.autos.makers.vw.aircooled > [More Headers] > In article , > sterlng007@aol.com (Sterlng007) wrote: > > > (another poster wrote) > > > > > >everything thing else being equal, 92 octane gas will lower cyl head temps > > >(marginally). You do not need "higher compression" in order to burn high > > >octane gas. However, in a un-modified modern water cooled engine, it's > > >seldom of any benefit > > > > Then tell me, why do they put spacers in between the cylinders and the case to > > lower compression and burn low octane gas in vw engines. This is common > > practice to keep from pinging and frying a engine. > > Ron > Ron (and the newsgroup) > The octane number of a gasoline is NOT a measure of it's hottness or coolness in the burning process, and it is NOT a measure of how 'powerful' it is. The octane number is simply a measure of how good the gasoline is at resisting detonation (knocking/pinging). > The internal combustion engine is - in simple terms - a gas pump (that's "gas" as in vapour, not "gas" as in gasoline). The higher the gas pressure inside the cylinder, the more 'push' there is on the pistons, and this means the higher the power output will be. > We create this pressure by heating a cylinder full of air; and we do this by adding a little gasoline to the air and igniting it with a spark. > The engineers aim to get the highest possible pressure without creating uncontrolled burning of the gasoline. > Detonation (pinging/knocking) occurs after the fuel is ignited by the spark plug, but before the flame front has finished moving across the cylinder to burn all the fuel/air mixture. Don't confuse it with pre-ignition, which occurs when the fuel is ignited before the spark occurs. > So why does detonation occur? It relates to the nature of gasoline. Gasoline is a mixture of different hydrocarbon molecules, and some of these molecules decompose more easily than others when heated under pressure. > So when we ignite the fuel/air mixture with a spark, the flame front starts moving across the cylinder, burning the mixture of air and gasoline vapour as it goes. This increases the temperature (and therefore the pressure) of the remaining fuel/air mixture, which starts to decompose before the flame front reaches it. If this decomposition produces 'auto-ignition' compounds (those which will start burning without a spark), you end up with an uncontrolled over-rapid burning of the remaining fuel/air mixture, which sets up an opposing pressure wave in the cylinder. This uncontrolled burning and the opposing pressure wave produces the characteristic clicking/pinging sound of detonation, and results in the piston getting a 'hammer blow' instead of a steady push. > These hammer blows can quickly destroy the engine. > Higher octane fuels are better at controlling the decomposition into auto-ignition compounds than lower octane fuels. They do this in several ways - by interferring with and reducing the actual decomposition, or by chemically reacting with the decomposing gasoline so less auto-ignition compounds are formed. > There are three main sources of heat inside the cylinder which contribute to the decomposition of the fuel:- > 1. The residual heat in the heads, cylinders and pistons. The VW engine is air-cooled and runs hotter than it's water cooled cousins, so more residual heat is present. > 2. The heat produced by the ignition of the fuel itself. This depends on the nature of the fuel, and on the fuel/air mixture - rich mixtures are "pre cooled" from the evapouration of the extra fuel, so burn a little cooler, lean mixtures burn hotter. > 3. The heat of compression before the spark. Compression of a gas raises the temperature of the gas. We want this to happen, because the higher the compression, the higher the pressure rise after the fuel is burned - giving us more power. > The heat of compression (compression ratio) is easy to adjust in the design of an engine, so this is the one used to match an engine with the fuel it will be using. > It's all a balancing act, and because the air-cooled engine runs hotter (more residual heat), you need to limit the amount of additional heat produced in the cylinders prior to ignition (lower compression ratio). > Air-cooled VW engines therefore use a slightly lower compression ratio than water cooled cars using the same octane rated gasoline. > The octane number came about as a result of research carried out in the 1920s and 30s by Sir Harry Ricardo ("The Internal Combustion Engine" 1925 and 35 and other books) and Charles Kettering (he also developed the distributor and coil ignition system). Kettering assigned Thomas Midgley to investigate the problem of knocking which was destroying his test engines. He conducted a long search of additives which would help a fuel to resist knocking. Amongst the chemicals tried were Iodine, Aniline, Selenium Oxychloride, Methylclopentadienyl Manganese Tricarbonyl (MMT - currently used in Australia for Lead-free super), and other Phosphorus, Sodium and Potassium compounds. Midgley even tried melted butter! Some compounds worked better than others as an anti-knock agent, but many had serious defects (Selenium oxychloride corroded the metals in the engine); and Midgley gradually focussed on organo-lead compounds, and eventually developed a combination of Tetra-ethyl Lead (TEL) with Ethylene Dibromide and Ethylene Dichoride acting as scavengers to prevent the build up of lead inside the engine. > During these tests, it was discovered that Iso-Octane had a very high natural knock resistance, but Heptane had a very poor knock resistance. Because these two compounds are very similar in other respects, they made a useful comparison point for gasoline. So the octane number is a comparison with a mixture of Iso-Octane and Heptane. 91 Octane has the knock resistance equivalent of mixing 91% Iso-Octane with 9% Heptane. > The discovery in the late 1920s that organo-lead products enhanced the anti-detonating characteristics was a revolution in fuel design, as engines could be designed to operate at higher compressions for better efficiency. So gasolines became 'doped' with tetra-ethyl lead to enhance their octane numbers. > Another useful feature of lead in gasoline is that the burned lead products (mainly lead oxide) coated the hot exhaust valve seating area, and prevented a problem called Valve Seat Recession (VSR) which results in the exhaust valve 'eating' it's way into the head. With the 'soft' cast iron heads of the day, this was a real bonus. > VSR is not a problem with VW engines, as they have hardened valve seats inserts in their aluminium heads. The VW engine can therefore run on unleaded gasoline quite happily, provided the octane number is high enough. > Lead is being removed from fuels because it pollutes the atmosphere, and when ingested by animals, it builds up and causes health problems. > An additional feature of lead additives was that they provided a small but useful amount of lubrication to the valve stems. This was important in engines which had cast iron heads with the valve guides cut directly into the head, as most cars required valve seals to prevent excess oil from dripping down the valve stems and causing a smokey exhaust. > The VW engine has bronze alloy valve guides which do not require the lead based lubrication, and the design of the valves does not need valves seals, so they are lubricated very well from the splashed oil on the spring end of the valves. The VW engine does not require leaded fuels for valve lubrication purpose. > Gasoline which is high in aromatic compounds like Benzine has a high 'natural' octane rating and so needs less additives to increase the octane rating. Unfortunately, the aromatic compounds are also those most responsible for atmospheric pollution, so these compounds are being reduced in gasoline in many countries. This creates another dilemma - how to increase the octane rating without lead additives, and with reduced aromatic compounds in the fuel. > A number of other chemical compounds called Oxygenates have been developed to enhance the natural octane number of gasolines. The most common one used is Methyl Tertiary Butyl Ether (MTBE). Other compounds include TAME, ETBE, Methyl Alcohol and Ethyl Alcohol (Gasohol). But MTBE and the other oxygenates contain 'used' oxygen, so cars using oxygenates fuels burn MORE fuel (because there is less 'fuel' in the fuel) and this increases pollution anyway (Source - "Cleaner Burning Gasoline" California EPA). > And there is a second effect here too - carburetor cars like most VWs cannot adjust the fuel/air mixture 'on the run' like computer equiped fuel injected cars can, so they run lean when run on oxygenated fuels. This is because carburettors meter out a volume of fuel into the intake air; they have no regard for the chemical content of the fuel. Lean burning creates more heat in the cylinders, and this 'excess' heat raises the octane number needed. > It's a vicious circle, so If you can avoid using oxygenated fuels - do so. If you have to use oxygenated fuels, you may improve the car's performance by using a slightly larger main jet in the carburetor. Doing this brings the mixture back to the correct setting, which helps reduce the extra unwanted heat in the engine, and reduces the likelihood you'll need a higher than normal octane gasoline to compensate. And if your engine is due for a rebuild, and you have to use oxygenated fuels, consider using a slightly lower compression ratio. > Octane numbers are measured two ways. The 'research' method of measuring the octane number uses a constant speed (1500 rpm) engine in laboratory conditions. This is the RON - Research Octane Number. The other method is the MON - Motor Octane Number, which uses a harsher test regime more closely related to road conditions. So the MON is usually lower than the RON for the same fuel. > Often you may see the octane rating quoted as (R+M)/2. This means an average of the two methods is used to give the fuel a number. This number method is often called 'pump octane' or AKI (anti-knock index) in the US. > The 1200 VW engine running around 6.6-7 compression ratio needs a minimum of 87 octane (RON). The 1500/1600 engine running around 7.5-8 compression needs 91 octane (RON) or higher. Using a higher octane gasoline in an engine designed for low octane WILL NOT increase it's performance - the octane number is a MINIMUM needed to eliminate detonation, and that's all it is. > I have a 1500 VW with unmodified heads running 1600 cylinders and pistons. This has raised my compression ratio from 7.5 to 8 (more fuel/air mix squeezed into the same head space). It was originally designed to run on 91 RON (about 87 'pump' octane) but now prefers at least 93 RON. If I were to increase the capacity more without modifying the heads, I would need spacers under the cylinders (as you mentioned in your post) to lower the compression back to a reasonable number (usually around 7:1), otherwise I would need to run on Hi-Octane (95 RON in Australia where I live) to prevent detonation. > In conclusion, the octane rating is a measure of the fuel's ability to CONTROL the burning process (to prevent detonation); it is not a function of burning 'hotter' or 'colder'. And the higher the compression ratio (in the same engine), the higher the octane number needed. > Hope this helps. > Rob Aussiebug@start.com.au > (1970 1500 beetle, one owner, 245,000 miles on it's original engine) > Back > > Last modified 28 Dec 2000. > Disclaimer stuff: Rob and Dave have written these procedures from their own experiences. We have not assumed any specialised mechanical knowledge, but DO assume that anyone using these procedures has at least a basic mechanical ability. > We hope you find them useful, but we don't take any responsibility for anything which happens to you, other people, your VW or any other property or goods resulting from your use of these procedures. > Feel free to print off any procedures for your own use. If you intend to link them to another site, reprint them, or in any other way redistribute them, please leave them complete, including this disclaimer section and our email addresses below. > Have fun fixing your VW - just keep them fweeming OK? > Rob aussiebug@start.com.au > Dave davep215@earthlink.net > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 21:51:24 -0700 (PDT) To: Edwin Blocher , KRNet From: David Hartz Cc: corvaircraft Subject: KR2S:FOR SALE Message-ID: <20011020045124.43665.qmail@web14707.mail.yahoo.com> I HAVE A KR2S IN BOAT STAGE,TURTLE DECK, CANOPY FRAME,CANOPY,FRONT DECK,FUELTANK,WING SPARS AND BOX OF FOAM FOR WINGS!I ALSO HAVE ENINE MOUNT FOR REVMASTER AND ENGINE COWLINGS. DAVE > ===== DAVID HARTZ,WILLITS,CALIF. DEWRENCHER@PRODIGY.NET __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 23:50:31 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNet From: CS Subject: For sale? a KR? a dollar? Message-ID: <20011020065031.20083.qmail@web13903.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Dave... Where ya at? How much ya want? If you're in Chattanooga and want a hunnert bucks for the whole she-bang, I'm in. If you're in Australia and want a million bucks, I'm out. If you're anywhere in between, why don't ya let us know where you are and how much you're askin? To the Netter regulars, I apologize. I've held my tongue until I couldn't stand it any more. I've talked to a few folks, and this drive-by no-location no-price crap ain't exclusive to me. So Dave, where ya at and how much ya want? Oops, just checked the sig...it's in CA. Chuck PS...Please tell me about that Enine mount... PPS...Mark (L), wanted to mention that of the money that I gave you at the Gathering to support KRNet, 10 bucks (which looked like about 25% of the total) came from Dave up in New Hampshire. Ain't a big deal to me, I'm sure it ain't a big deal to him, just wanted you to know that he ponied up without asking for a plug. Also, KRNet is lookin' as good these days as it ever has. If I had something to contribute, I would. But at my advanced age, I've learned that the DESIRE to contribute vs. the ABILITY to contribute are not always the same. Congrats on settin' up what is probably the de facto clearinghouse on KR info. Or you can call Jeanette... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 06:59:37 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> For sale? a KR? a dollar? Message-ID: <20011020135937.79815.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> > Hey Dave... > Where ya at? How much ya want? ... why don't ya let us know where you are and > how much you're askin? > Oops, just checked the sig...it's in CA. > Chuck > PS...Please tell me about that Enine mount... I'm with Chuck on this, even though he shot off his letter before discovering that Dave did include his location. It is really essential to know where someone is and about how much he wants for the item. It's also a help to put your location on EVERY posting. Someone might live near enough that you can get together and work on your KRs. The new guy, Jim Edmondson, just posted about finding some Corvairs not far from San Antonio, and that was a big help for me. Thanks Jim And thanks Chuck. It's good to hear from you again. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:59:55 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNet From: CS Subject: KRs, Do I hear a dollar? Message-ID: <20011020145955.89266.qmail@web13906.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Frank and Netters... > > Where ya at? How much ya want? ... I just wrote to Dave, apologizin' for pickin' him to rag on over one of my pet peeves. He's in northern CA, asking $2500.00. Actually he wrote to me first, giving me that information. Anyway, I guess it's kinda tough for new folks, this being a list and not (technically speaking) a website, there are no "posting guidelines"...unless one reads back through the archives, and if they are new folks then how are they gonna know that reading the archives is pretty much KR 101, this list is KR 102, and ML's site is KR 201? (Actually Mark's site is like KR 685, the grad school of KR building.) Chuck PS...Let's set up another mini-gathering at Canton next year, say late spring-early summer, way before the real Gathering...I just don't think I can make Iowa unless I get one of the dam* planes done by then...and to get done I gotta get started, and to get started I gotta wipe about 5 other projects off the slate...so I probably won't make Iowa. Canton is 700 (or so) miles for me, about 2-300 for you...hell, let's set up a permanent "mini-gathering" in spring of every year, at some (permanent)location that's geographically central to the majority of KR builders/flyers. Like, say, my house...just kiddin', but I think something in the Tennessee/Kentucky/ Missouri/Arkansas area (Pine Bluff would work, nice hangar, close motels) would be pretty central to most folks...except for the occasional oddball from New Hampshire...(yeah Dave, that would be you). 'Course there's always the danger that settin' up a mini-gathering in the spring would draw off potential attendees (should be attenders, I don't know where attenDEES came from) from the real Gathering...and the real Gathering should be the focus. Better to make (or miss) one good Gathering than to have two half-assed ones every year. Also, I shouldn't have ragged the guy over a typo, re: Enine mount...but spell-checking is also good. So I apologize. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:24:46 -0700 (PDT) To: CS , KRNet From: David Hartz Subject: Re: KR> KRs, Do I hear a dollar? Message-ID: <20011021002446.54473.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> HEY CHUCK NO HURT FEELINGS.I'LL GET MORE SAVY WITH ALITTLE TIME. I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LOCATION? DAVE --- CS wrote: > Hey Frank and Netters... > > > > Where ya at? How much ya want? ... > > I just wrote to Dave, apologizin' for pickin' him to > rag on over one of my pet peeves. He's in northern > CA, asking $2500.00. Actually he wrote to me first, > giving me that information. > > Anyway, I guess it's kinda tough for new folks, this > being a list and not (technically speaking) a > website, > there are no "posting guidelines"...unless one reads > back through the archives, and if they are new folks > then how are they gonna know that reading the > archives > is pretty much KR 101, this list is KR 102, and ML's > site is KR 201? (Actually Mark's site is like KR > 685, > the grad school of KR building.) > > Chuck > > PS...Let's set up another mini-gathering at Canton > next year, say late spring-early summer, way before > the real Gathering...I just don't think I can make > Iowa unless I get one of the dam* planes done by > then...and to get done I gotta get started, and to > get > started I gotta wipe about 5 other projects off the > slate...so I probably won't make Iowa. Canton is > 700 > (or so) miles for me, about 2-300 for you...hell, > let's set up a permanent "mini-gathering" in spring > of > every year, at some (permanent)location that's > geographically central to the majority of KR > builders/flyers. Like, say, my house...just > kiddin', > but I think something in the Tennessee/Kentucky/ > Missouri/Arkansas area (Pine Bluff would work, nice > hangar, close motels) would be pretty central to > most > folks...except for the occasional oddball from New > Hampshire...(yeah Dave, that would be you). > > 'Course there's always the danger that settin' up a > mini-gathering in the spring would draw off > potential > attendees (should be attenders, I don't know where > attenDEES came from) from the real Gathering...and > the > real Gathering should be the focus. Better to make > (or miss) one good Gathering than to have two > half-assed ones every year. > > Also, I shouldn't have ragged the guy over a typo, > re: > Enine mount...but spell-checking is also good. So I > apologize. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > ===== DAVID HARTZ,WILLITS,CALIF. DEWRENCHER@PRODIGY.NET __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 15:56:42 -0700 (PDT) To: Frank Ross , KRNet From: David Hartz Subject: KR2S FOR SALE (MORE INFO) Message-ID: <20011020225642.48004.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> SORRY FOLKS! I MUST HAVE BEEN SUFFERING FROM TEMPORARY BRAIN DAMAGE? I AM ASKING 2500. FOR THE HOLE KIT AND CABOOTAL.I ALREADY HAVE A KR2 PROJECT IN THE WORKS AND IF I DONT GET RID OF THIS ,I WILL END UP WITH AN ULSER FROM TRYING TO DEAL WITH THEM BOTH!THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ENGINE MOUNT IS A GP'S MOUNT FOR TRI-GEAR AND FOR TYPE 1 VW ENGINE.I AM IN NORTHERN CALIF. IN WILLITS(150MILES NORTH OF SAN FRANCISCO)MY PHONE #IS 707-459-5455 DAVE > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > ===== DAVID HARTZ,WILLITS,CALIF. 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