From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 23 Oct 2001 01:51:45 -0000 Issue 311 Date: Monday, October 22, 2001 5:52 PM krnet Digest 23 Oct 2001 01:51:45 -0000 Issue 311 Topics (messages 7351 through 7373): Re: wing tank volume 7351 by: ANTHONY SOLDANO 7352 by: saunders 7353 by: Frank Ross 7355 by: Mark Langford 7357 by: David Mullins 7359 by: virgnvs.juno.com 7361 by: larry flesner 7364 by: William Tabbert 7365 by: Philip J. Visconti 7366 by: BillStarrs 7367 by: Larry Deckert 7370 by: Eduardo José Jankosz Re: KRs, Do I hear a dollar? 7354 by: Frank Ross 7356 by: David Hartz 7358 by: David Mullins 7360 by: virgnvs.juno.com KRNet Mail List Administrator? 7362 by: Walter Lounsbery It's Sunday and one Seat is almost done 7363 by: Daniel Heath California KR-1 in the works 7368 by: Oscar Zuniga Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... 7369 by: Jerry Mahurin 7371 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 7373 by: BillStarrs Reason to buy Flight Simulator 7372 by: Ross R. Youngblood Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:49:51 -0700 To: "David Hartz" , "Frank Ross" , "KRNet" From: "ANTHONY SOLDANO" Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <000601c159e3$71ad0fe0$03dbd73f@compaq> hey guys i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel they will hold.how do i do it? thanks tony ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:31:38 -0400 To: "ANTHONY SOLDANO" , "David Hartz" , "Frank Ross" , "KRNet" From: "saunders" Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <017401c159d0$220e0ba0$4da8efce@mike> With all the curves and angles involved, I'm not sure an exact figure is possible or even necessary. I used the first two rib sections for my wing tanks, I remember figuring around 10-12 gallons per side. This was only an educated guess. Mike > i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel they > will hold.how do i do it? > > > thanks tony > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:38:00 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <20011021013800.89089.qmail@web14008.mail.yahoo.com> > i am installing wing tanks and am trying to > determine how much fuel they > will hold.how do i do it? > thanks tony Tony, A very simple, unsophisticated way is to get empty milk cartons (quart or gallon) and see how many you can get into the area you're considering. It gives you a ball-park idea. There are other ways to calculate volume by measuring the area of the container, but I'd burn out a fuse trying to do that. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 21:39:07 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <000e01c159d9$8ecb0690$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> ANTHONY SOLDANO wrote: > i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel they > will hold.how do i do it? If you're using the RAF48 in the stub wing it's right at a half a gallon per inch, which means if you use 20 inches of it on both sides you'll have 20 gallons of fuel, assuming a 3/4" thick skin top and bottom. If you're using the inboard end of the outboard wings (like the plans call for), it will be slightly less. If you're using the AS5046 you'll get slightly more, the AS5048/45 will get you 20% more. Depending on how close you want to get, trace the ribs onto graph paper and measure the number of square inches, multiply by the length to get cubic inches, and divide by 231 to get gallons. Life may be too short for this method, however... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:35:03 -0400 To: krnet From: David Mullins Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <3BD24267.DEA3EC92@mediaone.net> Mark and Netters, I opened up my CAD program and checked the area for the AS5048 airfoil using a 3/8" foam over an aluminum tank. Comes out to 148.46 square inches. With my tanks at 22" long, it comes out to 14 Gals per side. The AS5048 with with a 3/4" foam skin comes out to be approximately 132 square inches. At 20" long it works out to be around 11.4 Gal per side Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Mark Langford wrote: > ANTHONY SOLDANO wrote: > > > i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel they > > will hold.how do i do it? > > If you're using the RAF48 in the stub wing it's right at a half a gallon per > inch, which means if you use 20 inches of it on both sides you'll have 20 > gallons of fuel, assuming a 3/4" thick skin top and bottom. If you're using > the inboard end of the outboard wings (like the plans call for), it will be > slightly less. If you're using the AS5046 you'll get slightly more, the > AS5048/45 will get you 20% more. Depending on how close you want to get, > trace the ribs onto graph paper and measure the number of square inches, > multiply by the length to get cubic inches, and divide by 231 to get > gallons. Life may be too short for this method, however... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:54:21 -0400 To: tonysoldano@prodigy.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: dewrencher@yahoo.com, kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <20011021.081806.-126629.2.virgnvs@juno.com> How much can your bladder hold? Virg On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:49:51 -0700 "ANTHONY SOLDANO" writes: > hey guys > > i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel > they > will hold.how do i do it? > > > thanks tony > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 08:01:08 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011021080108.00853500@pop3.norton.antivirus> >i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel they >will hold.how do i do it? > thanks tony +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++== Figure 231 cubic inches per gallon. Take the length X width X height , divided by 231 ='s gallons. Example , a 10" X 20" X 5" tank ='s 1000 cubic inches, divided by 231 ='s 4.3 gallon. If opposite ends of the tank are not equal, use the average of the two measurements. That should get you close. If this is not correct, someone yell................... Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 02:01:22 +0000 To: virgnvs@juno.com, tonysoldano@prodigy.net From: "William Tabbert" Cc: dewrencher@yahoo.com, kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: Multiply L x W x H in Inches and divide that figure by 231. That will give you how many gallons the tank will hold. Example, 18"long x 14" wide x 6"high = 1512 divided by 231 = 6.5 Gallons >From: virgnvs@juno.com >To: tonysoldano@prodigy.net >CC: dewrencher@yahoo.com, kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:54:21 -0400 > > How much can your bladder hold? Virg > >On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:49:51 -0700 "ANTHONY SOLDANO" > writes: > > hey guys > > > > i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel > > they > > will hold.how do i do it? > > > > > > thanks tony > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > system! > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 23:29:46 -0400 To: billtabbert@hotmail.com From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: virgnvs@juno.com, tonysoldano@prodigy.net, dewrencher@yahoo.com, kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <20011021.232947.-180773.1.viscan@juno.com> How interesting. What do you do if the Length or Width or Height is actually curved ? Such as the curve of the front deck or the curve of the wing and the curve does not have a constant radius throughtout.? Phil ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:31:16 -0700 To: "KR-net" From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Fw: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <001501c15ab2$63e33e00$02defea9@bstarrs> ----- Original Message ----- From: "BillStarrs" To: "Philip J. Visconti" Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:29 PM Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume > For what it's worth, I would take a guess that you would draw a straight > line through the curve and interperlate ( I think thats the word ) That is > average the distance between the straight line. This is best done or graph > paper. Bill Starrs > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Philip J. Visconti" > To: > Cc: ; ; ; > ; > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume > > > > How interesting. What do you do if the Length or Width or Height is > > actually curved ? Such as the curve of the front deck or the curve of the > > wing and the curve does not have a constant radius throughtout.? > > > > Phil > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:57:08 -0700 To: From: "Larry Deckert" Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: <002501c15acf$274ca8b0$0977fea9@LARRY> I built tanks on the outer wing using Dan Diehl's suggestions. I'm now trying to remember all the numbers! If I remember it correctly, the tanks are about 7-8 inches deep behind the front spar and 38(?) inches long. Anyway, I figured it out to be about 7.5 gals per side. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Tabbert" To: ; Cc: ; ; Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 7:01 PM Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume > Multiply L x W x H in Inches and divide that figure by 231. That will give > you how many gallons the tank will hold. > > > Example, 18"long x 14" wide x 6"high = 1512 divided by 231 = 6.5 Gallons > > > >From: virgnvs@juno.com > >To: tonysoldano@prodigy.net > >CC: dewrencher@yahoo.com, kae_ar@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume > >Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:54:21 -0400 > > > > How much can your bladder hold? Virg > > > >On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:49:51 -0700 "ANTHONY SOLDANO" > > writes: > > > hey guys > > > > > > i am installing wing tanks and am trying to determine how much fuel > > > they > > > will hold.how do i do it? > > > > > > > > > thanks tony > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > > system! > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 20:06:02 -0200 To: "krnet" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Jos=E9_Jankosz?=" Subject: Wing tank volume Message-Id: <200110222212.f9MMCeJ90500@cwbone.bsi.com.br> Netters I privatelly think that the more precise method to measure the volume of a irregular tank is using a "graduated buret" (that used in Gas Shop or Chemistry's Laboratory)! Fill the tank with fuel or water and check this volume with the buret! Don't is simple! Thank you! Eduardo José Jankosz jankosz@bsi.com.br http://www.bsi.com.br/cbcb Curitiba - PR - BRASIL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 18:45:55 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> KRs, Do I hear a dollar? Message-ID: <20011021014555.71569.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> > HEY CHUCK > NO HURT FEELINGS.I'LL GET MORE SAVY WITH A LITTLE > TIME. > I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LOCATION? > DAVE Dave, The Witness Protection Program won't let Chuck give out his location. We've tried several times to get the truth out of him without any success. He says he lives around Chattanooga or Nashville somewhere. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 20:03:46 -0700 (PDT) To: Frank Ross , KRNet From: David Hartz Subject: Re: KR> KRs, Do I hear a dollar? Message-ID: <20011021030346.50555.qmail@web14701.mail.yahoo.com> WELL FRANK,I GUESS THAT ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF HIM SHOWING UP WITH A TRUCK AND BUYING THE KR2S THIS WEEKEND? DAVE --- Frank Ross wrote: > > HEY CHUCK > > NO HURT FEELINGS.I'LL GET MORE SAVY WITH A LITTLE > > TIME. > > I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LOCATION? > > DAVE > > Dave, > The Witness Protection Program won't let Chuck give > out his location. We've tried several times to get > the > truth out of him without any success. He says he > lives > around Chattanooga or Nashville somewhere. > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > ===== DAVID HARTZ,WILLITS,CALIF. DEWRENCHER@PRODIGY.NET __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:38:49 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: KRNet Subject: Re: KR> KRs, Do I hear a dollar? Message-ID: <3BD24349.D990E64A@mediaone.net> I thought they wouldn't let Chuck leave the state, but he showed up here in Massachusetts anyway. "The oddball from New Hampshire" David Hartz wrote: > WELL FRANK,I GUESS THAT ELIMINATES THE POSSIBILITY OF > HIM SHOWING UP WITH A TRUCK AND BUYING THE KR2S THIS > WEEKEND? > DAVE > --- Frank Ross wrote: > > > HEY CHUCK > > > NO HURT FEELINGS.I'LL GET MORE SAVY WITH A LITTLE > > > TIME. > > > I DIDN'T CATCH YOUR LOCATION? > > > DAVE > > > > Dave, > > The Witness Protection Program won't let Chuck give > > out his location. We've tried several times to get > > the > > truth out of him without any success. He says he > > lives > > around Chattanooga or Nashville somewhere. > > > > ===== > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > > http://personals.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > > or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > > some other system! > > > > ===== > DAVID HARTZ,WILLITS,CALIF. DEWRENCHER@PRODIGY.NET > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:32:53 -0400 To: dc9898@yahoo.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KRs, Do I hear a dollar? Message-ID: <20011021.081806.-126629.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Lakeland is good. Also warmer. Dinner and all, Virg On Sat, 20 Oct 2001 07:59:55 -0700 (PDT) CS writes: > Hey Frank and Netters... > > > > Where ya at? How much ya want? ... > > I just wrote to Dave, apologizin' for pickin' him to > rag on over one of my pet peeves. He's in northern > CA, asking $2500.00. Actually he wrote to me first, > giving me that information. > > Anyway, I guess it's kinda tough for new folks, this > being a list and not (technically speaking) a website, > there are no "posting guidelines"...unless one reads > back through the archives, and if they are new folks > then how are they gonna know that reading the archives > is pretty much KR 101, this list is KR 102, and ML's > site is KR 201? (Actually Mark's site is like KR 685, > the grad school of KR building.) > > Chuck > > PS...Let's set up another mini-gathering at Canton > next year, say late spring-early summer, way before > the real Gathering...I just don't think I can make > Iowa unless I get one of the dam* planes done by > then...and to get done I gotta get started, and to get > started I gotta wipe about 5 other projects off the > slate...so I probably won't make Iowa. Canton is 700 > (or so) miles for me, about 2-300 for you...hell, > let's set up a permanent "mini-gathering" in spring of > every year, at some (permanent)location that's > geographically central to the majority of KR > builders/flyers. Like, say, my house...just kiddin', > but I think something in the Tennessee/Kentucky/ > Missouri/Arkansas area (Pine Bluff would work, nice > hangar, close motels) would be pretty central to most > folks...except for the occasional oddball from New > Hampshire...(yeah Dave, that would be you). > > 'Course there's always the danger that settin' up a > mini-gathering in the spring would draw off potential > attendees (should be attenders, I don't know where > attenDEES came from) from the real Gathering...and the > real Gathering should be the focus. Better to make > (or miss) one good Gathering than to have two > half-assed ones every year. > > Also, I shouldn't have ragged the guy over a typo, re: > Enine mount...but spell-checking is also good. So I > apologize. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. > http://personals.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 09:54:37 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Walter Lounsbery" Subject: KRNet Mail List Administrator? Message-ID: Sorry about sending mundane stuff that is off-topic. I need to contact a current HUMAN KRNet mail list administrator. I am trying to delete a custom account set up at krnet@lounsbery.com for archiving email (this was done over a year ago), and the automated system won't deal with it. Thanks! Walt Lounsbery ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 19:45:37 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: It's Sunday and one Seat is almost done Message-ID: <005c01c15a8a$7cd783d0$152c5d0c@scana.com> Well, it is Sunday, so I thought I would bore y'all with a progress post. We have finished one seat. It is made out of plywood ribs, 2" pink foam, carbon fiber, and AeroPoxy, and also a lot of work. It weighs a little under 3# and will be suspended between the spars. We have a dual stick, so the front of it had to be shaped to clear the stick. Assuming it tests out, it will get us to about 1.5" from the floor. We wanted to do this to get head room and allow for some soft cushion. We learned a lot from Mark at the gathering about doing glass work and were just about to abandon the idea of these seats for a sling. We saw some nice sling installations at the gathering. Seeing how strong the carbon fiber is, we decided to go ahead with these seats. You can see a picture of the shape of it on our site, www.jerrymahurin.com . Four things I have discovered since the gathering. 1. AeroPoxy is great. It has a long pot life and sands well after curing. It doesn't make me itch like vinyl ester and saf-t-poxy 2. Mark's method of measuring the mixture is simple, fool proof, and allows for the mixing of small quantities at a time. 3. You cannot see the lines on your plastic through carbon fiber. So, we used an extra sheet of plastic and wet out the carbon fiber on it and then put the picture of the part on top of it to cut it to shape. 4. Sandwiching the carbon fiber lay-up between two layers of plastic helps wet out the carbon fiber and squeegee out the excess and you really must use extra resin to be sure it is really wet out. It is very difficult to tell as it does not turn color like fiberglass, or if it does, you cannot see it.. Thanks Mark Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:43:02 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: California KR-1 in the works Message-ID: Steve wrote: >If there is anyone in Orange County, California building a KR, >please let me know...I still have a lot to learn. Well... you should have lots of them in your area. Mike Mims, who was building one but sold it, is around. Try him at gti20vturbo@yahoo.com Also, there are "find a builder near you" sites that might help. Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 13:22:07 -0400 To: "KRnet" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: Hey Netters, We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style windshield for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? ANY help would be appreciated. Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:56:01 -0400 To: "Jerry Mahurin" , "KRnet" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: Jerry, I did this by screwing some wood sides to a sheet of plexiglass, and suspending it inside a big cardboard box. Then, I put the ol' charcoal grille under it a waited patiently for it to sag and become fully limber. Go at it slowly, and the cardboard box will heat up very nicely. I hung it in my garage with a rope to the rafters no I coulds adjust the heigth to control the heat You can then drape it over a form, but just letting it drape to the approximate shape wanted is OK. The sheet will still be very flexible to install to a frame. Alternately, drape it over a prepared form, covered with a soft cloth. aka old blanket ( or new). You'll have a fair amount of time to work with it, but have a freind and fire extinguisher on hand. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Jerry Mahurin [mailto:jerrymahurin@charter.net] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM To: KRnet Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Hey Netters, We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style windshield for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? ANY help would be appreciated. Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 18:51:24 -0700 To: , "Jerry Mahurin" , "KRnet" From: "BillStarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: <001c01c15b65$424f43c0$02defea9@bstarrs> Do You have any pictures of this process? ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" To: "Jerry Mahurin" ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: RE: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > Jerry, I did this by screwing some wood sides to a sheet of plexiglass, and > suspending it inside a big cardboard box. Then, I put the ol' charcoal > grille under it a waited patiently for it to sag and become fully limber. > Go at it slowly, and the cardboard box will heat up very nicely. I hung it > in my garage with a rope to the rafters no I coulds adjust the heigth to > control the heat > > You can then drape it over a form, but just letting it drape to the > approximate shape wanted is OK. The sheet will still be very flexible to > install to a frame. Alternately, drape it over a prepared form, covered > with a soft cloth. aka old blanket ( or new). You'll have a fair amount of > time to work with it, but have a freind and fire extinguisher on hand. > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Mahurin [mailto:jerrymahurin@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > > > Hey Netters, > > We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style windshield > for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? > > ANY help would be appreciated. > > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:10:29 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Ross R. Youngblood" Subject: Reason to buy Flight Simulator Message-ID: <3BD4B575.44BD39F6@home.com> Howdy Netters... Sorry this isn't a post that there is a KR-2 model out there for us to fly in Flight Sim 2000 pro... but I did find that there is a F117 Stealth fighter to download... it took me about 30 minutes to figure out how to start the turbines up, they sound very real. Having done that, there was no better place to depart from than Kabul Afganastan and fly around. -- Ross ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************