From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Oct 2001 01:54:30 -0000 Issue 312 Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 5:55 PM krnet Digest 25 Oct 2001 01:54:30 -0000 Issue 312 Topics (messages 7374 through 7401): Re: wing tank volume 7374 by: William Tabbert Re: Reason to buy Flight Simulator 7375 by: saunders Re: Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... 7376 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 7387 by: w.g. kirkland 7389 by: Daniel Heath 7390 by: Frank Ross 7391 by: Mike Mims 7392 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 7393 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 7394 by: Jerry Mahurin 7395 by: Jeremy Casey 7396 by: Robert X. Cringely 7397 by: Higdon, Bill 7398 by: Stuart Deal 7400 by: Daniel Heath Glass Cockpit - Dave Morris 7377 by: ROBERT COOPER 7380 by: Robert X. Cringely Ken Brock 7378 by: Jerry Mahurin 7399 by: Jerry Mahurin foam surface 7379 by: mike 7385 by: Daniel Heath Re: Plans in AUTOCAD 7381 by: Eduardo José Jankosz 7388 by: David Mullins fly-in at ratcklaw tx. 7382 by: bobby whisenant Re: fly-in at ratcklaw tx./Reklaw? 7383 by: Frank Ross Re: gear mounting 7384 by: ANTHONY SOLDANO 7386 by: Mark Jones Re:VW tech info 7401 by: Ron Eason Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 01:55:20 +0000 To: bstarrs@cybertrails.com, Krnet@mailinglists.org From: "William Tabbert" Subject: Re: Fw: KR> wing tank volume Message-ID: Bingo, and a little guess don't hurt. Bill Tabbert >From: "BillStarrs" >To: "KR-net" >Subject: Fw: KR> wing tank volume >Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:31:16 -0700 > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "BillStarrs" >To: "Philip J. Visconti" >Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 9:29 PM >Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume > > > > For what it's worth, I would take a guess that you would draw a straight > > line through the curve and interperlate ( I think thats the word ) That >is > > average the distance between the straight line. This is best done or >graph > > paper. Bill Starrs > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Philip J. Visconti" > > To: > > Cc: ; ; >; > > ; > > Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2001 8:29 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> wing tank volume > > > > > > > How interesting. What do you do if the Length or Width or Height is > > > actually curved ? Such as the curve of the front deck or the curve of >the > > > wing and the curve does not have a constant radius throughtout.? > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:18:51 -0400 To: , From: "saunders" Subject: Re: KR> Reason to buy Flight Simulator Message-ID: <008001c15b69$10015120$a0a8efce@mike> Where is the 117 to download at? Mike saunders@hereintown.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross R. Youngblood" To: Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 8:10 PM Subject: KR> Reason to buy Flight Simulator > > Howdy Netters... > Sorry this isn't a post that there is a KR-2 model out there > for us to fly in Flight Sim 2000 pro... but I did find that > there is a F117 Stealth fighter to download... it took me > about 30 minutes to figure out how to start the turbines up, > they sound very real. > Having done that, there was no better place to depart > from than Kabul Afganastan and fly around. > > -- Ross > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 22:53:19 -0400 To: "BillStarrs" , "Jerry Mahurin" , "KRnet" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: Only in my mind... the last one I did like that was on my "Ron's !, Model #1 S/n 1 25 years ago. IT's a simple process.... heat the plexiglass slowly 'til it's very supple.Then, drape it over your form Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: BillStarrs [mailto:bstarrs@cybertrails.com] Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 9:51 PM To: ron.martha@mindspring.com; Jerry Mahurin; KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Do You have any pictures of this process? ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" To: "Jerry Mahurin" ; "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 4:56 PM Subject: RE: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > Jerry, I did this by screwing some wood sides to a sheet of plexiglass, and > suspending it inside a big cardboard box. Then, I put the ol' charcoal > grille under it a waited patiently for it to sag and become fully limber. > Go at it slowly, and the cardboard box will heat up very nicely. I hung it > in my garage with a rope to the rafters no I coulds adjust the heigth to > control the heat > > You can then drape it over a form, but just letting it drape to the > approximate shape wanted is OK. The sheet will still be very flexible to > install to a frame. Alternately, drape it over a prepared form, covered > with a soft cloth. aka old blanket ( or new). You'll have a fair amount of > time to work with it, but have a freind and fire extinguisher on hand. > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry Mahurin [mailto:jerrymahurin@charter.net] > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM > To: KRnet > Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > > > Hey Netters, > > We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style windshield > for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? > > ANY help would be appreciated. > > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:40:34 -0400 To: "Jerry Mahurin" , "KRnet" From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: <003101c15c46$06617180$5bb45bd1@utboopki> When replying to Jerry about how to do a "flat Wrap" windshield would you info me. Thanks. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Mahurin" To: "KRnet" Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > Hey Netters, > > We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style windshield > for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? > > ANY help would be appreciated. > > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 07:15:22 -0400 To: "w.g. kirkland" , "Jerry Mahurin" , "KRnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: <001f01c15c7d$66e64940$042c5d0c@scana.com> Bill, We have a plan and are going to conduct a test on a small piece of Lexan. When we do the real thing, we will take a lot of pictures and post them on our site. The plan basically is to build a makeshift oven and heat it with a Reddy kerosene heater and the sun. We will let you know how it works out. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "w.g. kirkland" To: "Jerry Mahurin" ; "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > When replying to Jerry about how to do a "flat Wrap" windshield would you > info me. Thanks. > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Mahurin" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM > Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > > > > Hey Netters, > > > > We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style windshield > > for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? > > > > ANY help would be appreciated. > > > > Jerry Mahurin > > Lugoff, SC > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:03:00 -0700 (PDT) To: KRnet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: <20011024170300.55507.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> Dan, Guys, I am sure I saw a nice article in the older Newsletters on this, complete with drawings. Can't place where, so I was keeping my mouth shut. If you can, you may look through them and see if it is any help. I don't have time right now. Isn't it hot enough in SC to just put the plastic over a form, stick it in your van, park in the sun and let nature take it's course? ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 10:52:52 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: <20011024175252.24815.qmail@web10802.mail.yahoo.com> Depends on how thick you go. Mine was 1/8 (or just under) and I cold wrapped it. Because I used such a thin material I also built a center windshield brace. Seems to work on Troy P's so I copied his. ;o) --- "w.g. kirkland" wrote: > When replying to Jerry about how to do a "flat Wrap" > windshield would you > info me. Thanks. > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Mahurin" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM > Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' > windshield.... > > > > Hey Netters, > > > > We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style > windshield > > for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? > > > > ANY help would be appreciated. > > > > Jerry Mahurin > > Lugoff, SC > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:05:33 -0400 To: "Frank Ross" , "KRnet" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: it needs to appraoch 300 degrees.... Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Frank Ross [mailto:kae_ar@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 1:03 PM To: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Dan, Guys, I am sure I saw a nice article in the older Newsletters on this, complete with drawings. Can't place where, so I was keeping my mouth shut. If you can, you may look through them and see if it is any help. I don't have time right now. Isn't it hot enough in SC to just put the plastic over a form, stick it in your van, park in the sun and let nature take it's course? ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:05:27 -0400 To: "Daniel Heath" , "w.g. kirkland" , "Jerry Mahurin" , "KRnet" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: Lexan is a very poor material for a windshield. It scratches very easily and quickly becomes unusable. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Heath [mailto:DanRH@att.net] Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:15 AM To: w.g. kirkland; Jerry Mahurin; KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Bill, We have a plan and are going to conduct a test on a small piece of Lexan. When we do the real thing, we will take a lot of pictures and post them on our site. The plan basically is to build a makeshift oven and heat it with a Reddy kerosene heater and the sun. We will let you know how it works out. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "w.g. kirkland" To: "Jerry Mahurin" ; "KRnet" Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:40 AM Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > When replying to Jerry about how to do a "flat Wrap" windshield would you > info me. Thanks. > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jerry Mahurin" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM > Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... > > > > Hey Netters, > > > > We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style windshield > > for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? > > > > ANY help would be appreciated. > > > > Jerry Mahurin > > Lugoff, SC > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:48:34 -0400 To: ,"Daniel Heath" , "w.g. kirkland" , "Jerry Mahurin" , "KRnet" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' windshield.... Message-ID: Ron, What would be better...??? Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 16:05:27 -0400 "RONALD.FREIBERGER" wrote: > Lexan is a very poor material for a windshield. It > scratches very easily > and quickly becomes unusable. > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Heath [mailto:DanRH@att.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 7:15 AM > To: w.g. kirkland; Jerry Mahurin; KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' > windshield.... > > > Bill, > > We have a plan and are going to conduct a test on a small > piece of Lexan. > When we do the real thing, we will take a lot of pictures > and post them on > our site. The plan basically is to build a makeshift > oven and heat it with > a Reddy kerosene heater and the sun. We will let you > know how it works out. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > www.JerryMahurin.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "w.g. kirkland" > To: "Jerry Mahurin" ; "KRnet" > > Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2001 12:40 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' > windshield.... > > > > When replying to Jerry about how to do a "flat Wrap" > windshield would you > > info me. Thanks. > > W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND > > kirkland@vianet.on.ca > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jerry Mahurin" > > To: "KRnet" > > Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:22 PM > > Subject: KR> Need help on bending a 'flat wrap' > windshield.... > > > > > > > Hey Netters, > > > > > > We are to the stage of bending a flat wrap style > windshield > > > for our Wannabee. How do you do it.....??? > > > > > > ANY help would be appreciated. > > > > > > Jerry Mahurin > > > Lugoff, SC > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other system! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other system! >