From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 27 Nov 2001 03:42:05 -0000 Issue 329 Date: Monday, November 26, 2001 7:42 PM krnet Digest 27 Nov 2001 03:42:05 -0000 Issue 329 Topics (messages 7734 through 7764): Virginia State Fly-In 7734 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 7738 by: Donald Reid Re: Battery 7735 by: Daniel Heath 7743 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 7755 by: Daniel Heath KR1 vs KR2 Wings 7736 by: Alex.H 7764 by: virgnvs.juno.com Fuel Head Pressure 7737 by: Oscar Zuniga New member 7739 by: Phillip Matheson 7740 by: Mark Langford 7741 by: Mark Langford 7763 by: virgnvs.juno.com THE KR3 7742 by: David Hartz 7750 by: Barry Barkman 7751 by: Donald Reid 7762 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: stick location 7744 by: Frank Ross 7745 by: Frank Ross 7761 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Re: William Wynne Video 7746 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien mac servo 7747 by: John Esch Re: Ellison 7748 by: Sam Sayer 7749 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 7752 by: Sam Sayer Sidestick 7753 by: Bob Sauer KR 2 project for sale 7754 by: Clark Harlow Re: Will the Ellison Carb run on gravity feed 7756 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER Elevator hinges 7757 by: ROBERT COOPER 7758 by: Mark Langford 7760 by: Tim Brown Re: rudder pedals 7759 by: Tim Brown Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 17:35:46 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Virginia State Fly-In Message-ID: <20011125.173546.-203647.0.klw1953@juno.com> Just wondering if any KR netters have been to the fly in and how it compares to Sun'n Fun. Since I live in Pa. Virginia State would be a snap to get to. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 20:02:43 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Virginia State Fly-In Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011125195952.00a1b9f0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_41375616==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 05:35 PM 11/25/2001 -0500, Kenneth L Wiltrout wrote: >Just wondering if any KR netters have been to the fly in and how it >compares to Sun'n Fun. Since I live in Pa. Virginia State would be a snap >to get to. For the past two years, Gary Hinkle has been the only flying KR. Several builders have been there to talk to Gary. I am the fly-market coordinator and the webmaster (that is why Gary shows up in some of the pictures). I would love to see more. More information will be available on the website as we get closer to fly-in time in September. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_41375616==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:55:06 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , "KRnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Battery Message-ID: <001801c1760c$9c6d52e0$c72c5d0c@scana.com> This is actually meant for Ross regarding his concern about the fuel filter. I had posted earlier about my experience running my 1835 with an Ellison and testing with the fuel pump off. It ran fine, but not at full throttle. One thing I did not mention is that my fuel filter was actually a marine spin on canister type. My thinking was that I could remove that antique of a gascolator and get better water protection with this filter. I never actually flew the plane with the pump turned off. The Ellison states that it requires a pump and I think that is the way it should be used. My tests were conducted so I would know what to expect if the pump quit. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: KR> Battery > Bob Lee wrote: > > >With the > > fuel filter that you have and the gascolator, I suspect that you don't > have > > sufficient fuel pressure to run the Ellison without a fuel pump. > > I think you're absolutely right about that. Fuel injection filters > typically have about 35-75 psi behind them, and filter really small > particles out, and usually produce quite a pressure drop in the process. > They can also clog very quickly because of the fine filter size. One tank > of rusty fuel stopped my wife's Jetta (RIP) a mile from the gas station, > even though the filter was only a month old! I meant to mention this after > reading Ross's post, but forgot before I got around to it... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:50:17 -0500 To: "KRNET" , "Daniel Heath" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Battery Message-ID: The real question remainig is, "Was the header tank low when you ran the test, or high?" Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Daniel Heath [mailto:DanRH@att.net] Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 6:55 PM To: Mark Langford; KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Battery This is actually meant for Ross regarding his concern about the fuel filter. I had posted earlier about my experience running my 1835 with an Ellison and testing with the fuel pump off. It ran fine, but not at full throttle. One thing I did not mention is that my fuel filter was actually a marine spin on canister type. My thinking was that I could remove that antique of a gascolator and get better water protection with this filter. I never actually flew the plane with the pump turned off. The Ellison states that it requires a pump and I think that is the way it should be used. My tests were conducted so I would know what to expect if the pump quit. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:51 PM Subject: Re: KR> Battery > Bob Lee wrote: > > >With the > > fuel filter that you have and the gascolator, I suspect that you don't > have > > sufficient fuel pressure to run the Ellison without a fuel pump. > > I think you're absolutely right about that. Fuel injection filters > typically have about 35-75 psi behind them, and filter really small > particles out, and usually produce quite a pressure drop in the process. > They can also clog very quickly because of the fine filter size. One tank > of rusty fuel stopped my wife's Jetta (RIP) a mile from the gas station, > even though the filter was only a month old! I meant to mention this after > reading Ross's post, but forgot before I got around to it... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:29:42 -0500 To: , "KRNET" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Battery Message-ID: <004901c176d2$3a316550$952d5d0c@scana.com> I would assume that it was high, because I am sure that the fuel flow without the pump was just within acceptable limits and that I always had a full tank before departing. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" To: "KRNET" ; "Daniel Heath" Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 10:50 PM Subject: RE: KR> Battery > The real question remainig is, "Was the header tank low when you ran the > test, or high?" > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Daniel Heath [mailto:DanRH@att.net] > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 6:55 PM > To: Mark Langford; KRnet > Subject: Re: KR> Battery > > > This is actually meant for Ross regarding his concern about the fuel filter. > I had posted earlier about my experience running my 1835 with an Ellison and > testing with the fuel pump off. It ran fine, but not at full throttle. One > thing I did not mention is that my fuel filter was actually a marine spin on > canister type. My thinking was that I could remove that antique of a > gascolator and get better water protection with this filter. I never > actually flew the plane with the pump turned off. The Ellison states that > it requires a pump and I think that is the way it should be used. My tests > were conducted so I would know what to expect if the pump quit. > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: "KRnet" > Sent: Sunday, November 25, 2001 3:51 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Battery > > > > Bob Lee wrote: > > > > >With the > > > fuel filter that you have and the gascolator, I suspect that you don't > > have > > > sufficient fuel pressure to run the Ellison without a fuel pump. > > > > I think you're absolutely right about that. Fuel injection filters > > typically have about 35-75 psi behind them, and filter really small > > particles out, and usually produce quite a pressure drop in the process. > > They can also clog very quickly because of the fine filter size. One > tank > > of rusty fuel stopped my wife's Jetta (RIP) a mile from the gas station, > > even though the filter was only a month old! I meant to mention this > after > > reading Ross's post, but forgot before I got around to it... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:20:22 -0800 To: "KRnet" From: "Alex.H" Subject: KR1 vs KR2 Wings Message-ID: <006c01c17610$241d0340$cf44ff18@c1820946a> ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C175CD.14E6A590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am interested in building a KR1-B Motorglider but I noticed that most = all of the KRnet traffic is directed toward the KR2 and KR2S. I remember = that one netter a while back suggested to someone else to build a KR2 = instead of a KR1 and fly it as a single seater because the drawings were = so much better for the KR2. Is this the consensus among most of the = builders? Forgive me if my questions seem fairly basic to most of the netters, but = I was wondering how interchangeable are the wings between the basic KR1 = and KR2? More specifically: Are the airfoil shapes and chord lengths the same at the root for both = wings? Are the spars and attach points the same or similar between the two = models? (I know that the KR1-B has wing extensions that use a different = airfoils, so the above questions are for the basic KR1 vs the KR2) Has anyone built any hybrids that matches the KR2S wing with the KR1 = body? Thanks Alex Hudspeth=20 _________________________ Alex Hudspeth alex.h@att.net Seattle, WA ------=_NextPart_000_0069_01C175CD.14E6A590-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:30:02 -0500 To: alex.h@att.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR1 vs KR2 Wings Message-ID: <20011126.224200.-210053.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Do NOT try to put the 1B wings on a KR2. The spar is not designed for the load, Virg On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 16:20:22 -0800 "Alex.H" writes: > I am interested in building a KR1-B Motorglider but I noticed that > most all of the KRnet traffic is directed toward the KR2 and KR2S. I > remember that one netter a while back suggested to someone else to > build a KR2 instead of a KR1 and fly it as a single seater because > the drawings were so much better for the KR2. Is this the consensus > among most of the builders? > > Forgive me if my questions seem fairly basic to most of the netters, > but I was wondering how interchangeable are the wings between the > basic KR1 and KR2? More specifically: > > Are the airfoil shapes and chord lengths the same at the root for > both wings? > > Are the spars and attach points the same or similar between the two > models? > > (I know that the KR1-B has wing extensions that use a different > airfoils, so the above questions are for the basic KR1 vs the KR2) > > Has anyone built any hybrids that matches the KR2S wing with the KR1 > body? > > Thanks > > Alex Hudspeth > > > _________________________ > > Alex Hudspeth > alex.h@att.net > Seattle, WA > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 00:40:52 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Fuel Head Pressure Message-ID: Ross wrote: >Looks like the only way to demonstrate that I don't have a fuel >pressure issue is to place a pressure instrument at the output of >the gascolator and run the engine loaded up to 2400 RPM where >my trouble begins to see what happnes. >Granted, I can't guarentee that this rate provides a 1/2psi >pressure at the inlet to the Ellison at full throttle >I think it will be easier to put a "T" fitting on the gascolator >and get a pressure gauge in to get some hard numbers. I'm not sure what sort of instrument you have in mind, but 1/2 psi is a pretty small number to be trying to measure. You could do something much simpler by installing the tee at the inlet to the Ellison and using clear fuel tubing off the tee and taping it to a yardstick or something so you could measure pressure in inches. 1/2 psi is about 14" of water, but the specific gravity of gasoline will vary according to what you are running... could be maybe 18" of avgas (assuming specific gravity around .74). It would be easier to read pressure this way than off a gauge. Just make sure you run these tests outdoors and with a fire extinguisher handy; check your pressure with everything shut off because you'll have an open-ended tube with fuel in it and things spinning, sparking, heating up, and good stuff like that- could ruin your day. Not sure I'd try to do this with the engine running. Also not sure you should be running your engine without a prop or other flywheel mass on there. Your post mentioned spinning it to 4000 RPM with nothing on the hub... Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:20:11 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: New member Message-ID: <001d01c17618$7f913540$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C17674.B1E5DD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi All,=20 Just signed in. I have looked at buying an incomlplete KR2 kit here in Australia. Has mod Tri undercarrage. F/Glass wing skins.Fuse 75% finished.Wings = only need to skins puting on. I have been told not to buy because they have a Aft weight problem when = two average men get into it.( 70 to 80 Kgs) Help and Comments welcome. Phillip Matheson. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C17674.B1E5DD00-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:21:30 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> New member Message-ID: <093501c17618$ae2afcb0$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Phillip Matheson wrote: >I have been told not to buy because they have a Aft weight problem when two average men get into it.( 70 >to 80 Kgs) >Help and Comments welcome. Read http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/neilb.html, and then http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kopinion.html . That'll get you started. Others can carry on... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 19:30:10 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> New member Message-ID: <094501c17619$e448a2b0$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Australia? How strict are their regulations regarding changes? I'd heard (years ago) that the Australian Feds required KR2s to be single seat only, and I assume that's because they won't let you move the engine out far enough to compensate. If you're free to move the engine out front further, I don't see a problem getting the aft-most CG to within a reasonable range. It should be mentioned that there are plenty of KR2s flying passengers without problem, but it is definitely a balancing act that needs some attention. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:39:42 -0500 To: matheson@dodo.com.au From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> New member Message-ID: <20011126.224200.-210053.2.virgnvs@juno.com> KR2, 300 Pounds in the cockpit MAX. You convert to Kg, Virg On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 12:20:11 +1100 "Phillip Matheson" writes: > Hi All, > Just signed in. > I have looked at buying an incomlplete KR2 kit here in Australia. > Has mod Tri undercarrage. F/Glass wing skins.Fuse 75% finished.Wings > only need to skins puting on. > I have been told not to buy because they have a Aft weight problem > when two average men get into it.( 70 to 80 Kgs) > Help and Comments welcome. > > Phillip Matheson. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:46:07 -0800 (PST) To: Oscar Zuniga , krnet@mailinglists.org From: David Hartz Subject: THE KR3 Message-ID: <20011126024607.12204.qmail@web14703.mail.yahoo.com> DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON THE KR3? _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > some other system! > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:47:05 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: Barry Barkman Subject: RE: KR> THE KR3 Message-ID: <521647D22AAED51184BD0003476BBDE60A059C@smtp.saxon.net> ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17689.3717FA80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The KR3 was an amphibian airplane designed by Rand Robinson in the 1980's. The prototype flew several times and crashed (the pilot was ok). Since then, Rand Robinson has not done anything with the KR3. I might have pictures and KR newsletter info about it packed away someware but there were no plans made available for it. >DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON THE KR3? ------_=_NextPart_001_01C17689.3717FA80-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 11:49:58 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> THE KR3 Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20011126114822.00a243d0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_10230793==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 06:46 PM 11/25/2001 -0800, David Hartz wrote: >DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON THE KR3? I have one photo of it on my KR web site. Go to the section on Sport Aviation and look in the miscellaneous pictures. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_10230793==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 21:41:22 -0500 To: dewrencher@yahoo.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: taildrags@hotmail.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> THE KR3 Message-ID: <20011126.224200.-210053.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Not worth looking into except for historical purposes, Virg On Sun, 25 Nov 2001 18:46:07 -0800 (PST) David Hartz writes: > DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY INFO ON THE KR3? > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > > or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use > > some other system! > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just > $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:07:20 -0800 (PST) To: virgnvs@juno.com From: Frank Ross Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> stick location Message-ID: <20011126050720.94049.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> > Original KR-1 had a side stick. Reverse copy > for left stick. How > about one on each side ?? Virg Thanks Virg, It's been too long since I looked at my KR-1 plans. I'll take another look. Maybe I'll be lucky and find something. If not, I'll be looking through the old newsletters again. Frank __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:26:27 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> stick location Message-ID: <20011126052627.41633.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> Good point Serge, just another reason to go with side-mounts. Frank --- Serge VIDAL wrote: > And how are you going to set the safety belts? > > Serge VIDAL > ZS-WEC > Johannesburg, South Africa > > I've been mulling this around too. One of the > > advantages of having it between the two seats is > that > > you can straddle it and use the left rudder pedal > on > > the left side and the right rudder on the right > side > > for a very roomy one-seater. > > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:42:04 -0800 To: Frank Ross ,krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> stick location Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20011126194204.0083e800@localaccess.com> Netters: A question to those using a single stick on the pilot's side: Is it practical for someone in the right seat to take over control using the offset stick? Are any of you with an offset single stick also eliminating the right seat rudder pedals? Regards, Tracy O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 21:52:47 -0800 To: Mark Jones ,CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> William Wynne Video Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20011125215247.007f0500@localaccess.com> At 08:27 PM 11/23/2001 -0600, Mark Jones wrote: >Hello All, >We have only seen one or two post to the net as to your thoughts on the >William Wynne Video. Please, we would like for all who have viewed the >video to please tell us what you think, be it positive or negative. Netters: The WW video is well worth viewing. It is well produced, so you can concentrate on what is being said. William's remarks on carb ice prevention vs removing it after it has formed should give us plenty of food for thought! When Tony Stiles was developing his EA 81 direct drive conversion he made up a "VW" style manifold without a hot water tube in it and found that it would ice up on a 100 degree day without carb heat! Perhaps alternative manifolds for the Corvair could also be susceptable to similar icing problems. The copy of the tape I viewed will go out monday 11-26 to Robert Stone in TX Regards, Tracy O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2001 23:04:59 -0800 To: KR-Net From: John Esch Subject: mac servo Message-ID: <3C01E99B.EC4C7037@earthlink.net> Guess it is time to ask the group. For those planning on using a Mac servo for your elevator trim, which location would be best? Mounted in the horizontal stab or within the tail of the fuselage? The big problem for me right now is, that I glassed the stab and elevator, and.... also forgot to run the nyrod tube to control the tab. Would it hurt to cut open the horizontal stab, make a mount and mount in there, or is it too late? Which size of nyrod would work best? I have the large 1/4 scale nyrod, which is about 5/16 inch in diameter, big stuff. I think it would not flex enough to do me any good. -- John F. Esch KR-2S Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 08:55:48 -0500 To: "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Re: Ellison Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C17658.248CEE60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ross : =20 =20 I also have an Ellison Model EFS-2 that I had in my former KR. No problem= s at all with it. =20 I had the standard 12 gal fiberglass tank with gravity and elec.pump feed= . They both ran in parallel thru two "Y" connectors with a check valve on= the gravity side. The only filters that I used were Gascolator and a ho= memade finger screen that was inserted in the outlet connector of the tan= k. The bottom of the pickup filter screen was one inch above the bottom = of the tank. The finger screen was made from very fine brass mesh. Water= would not go thru this screen. =20 A small copper tube was attached to the top of the Gascolator and routed = to the top of the tank. =20 A drain line was installed that would drain any water in the bottom of th= e tank and also when emptying the tank. With the line disconnected at the= Ellison, better than 20 gal per hour and would flow on the gravity syst= em alone. The gravity system was more than was needed to run the Ellison wide open.= There was no RPM gain when the pump was turned on. There is a small filter screen that is built into the EFS-2, item #2 on t= he general parts layout. Unscrew the fuel inlet fitting to find it. This= filter may also need cleaning, which may allow more fuel to flow with le= ss pressure. I hope this helps. Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://expl= orer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C17658.248CEE60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 09:17:18 -0500 To: "KRNET" , "Sam Sayer" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: KR> Re: Ellison Message-ID: Sam, the most definitive report so far, but I'd stilll like to know if it ran okay on gravity feed as the header tank went low, as in landing at the end of a long flight. I take it from the "past tense" timber of your note that you no longer have the aircraft. I'll appreciate any additional insight you could provide. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sayer [mailto:Karibird37@msn.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 AM To: KR Mailing Lists Subject: KR> Re: Ellison Ross : I also have an Ellison Model EFS-2 that I had in my former KR. No problems at all with it. I had the standard 12 gal fiberglass tank with gravity and elec.pump feed. They both ran in parallel thru two "Y" connectors with a check valve on the gravity side. The only filters that I used were Gascolator and a homemade finger screen that was inserted in the outlet connector of the tank. The bottom of the pickup filter screen was one inch above the bottom of the tank. The finger screen was made from very fine brass mesh. Water would not go thru this screen. A small copper tube was attached to the top of the Gascolator and routed to the top of the tank. A drain line was installed that would drain any water in the bottom of the tank and also when emptying the tank. With the line disconnected at the Ellison, better than 20 gal per hour and would flow on the gravity system alone. The gravity system was more than was needed to run the Ellison wide open. There was no RPM gain when the pump was turned on. There is a small filter screen that is built into the EFS-2, item #2 on the general parts layout. Unscrew the fuel inlet fitting to find it. This filter may also need cleaning, which may allow more fuel to flow with less pressure. I hope this helps. Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:59:36 -0500 To: , "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Ellison Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C17693.58B4D280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ron : Yes my KR was put up for sale when I decided to build my new KR-2-S= S (super stretch). Could not get the money I wanted, so I parted it out = for all the parts, Engine (Rev.2100D), instruments, radios etc. and sold = what was left. Came out $2,000.00 more that way. The KR had 80 hours air = time on it and we hardly ever flew with a full tank. Sometimes we would t= ake off for a short flight with only 5 gallons of auto gas and landed at = a distant airport (30 miles) for an EAA meeting and return home. Just to= make sure there would be no problems on take off we used the Elec. pump = and half carb. heat. I went thru 4 carburetors, starting with the Rev-Flo, was not satisfied w= ith any of them until #5, the Ellison. With the Ellison I gained 200 more= RPM. Never did try taking off with less than 2 gal. reserve. =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: RONALD.FREIBERGER Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:18 AM To: KRNET; Sam Sayer Subject: RE: KR> Re: Ellison =20 Sam, the most definitive report so far, but I'd stilll like to know if it ran okay on gravity feed as the header tank went low, as in landing at th= e end of a long flight. I take it from the "past tense" timber of your not= e that you no longer have the aircraft. I'll appreciate any additional insight you could provide. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: Sam Sayer [mailto:Karibird37@msn.com] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 8:56 AM To: KR Mailing Lists Subject: KR> Re: Ellison Ross : I also have an Ellison Model EFS-2 that I had in my former KR. No problem= s at all with it. I had the standard 12 gal fiberglass tank with gravity and elec.pump feed= . They both ran in parallel thru two "Y" connectors with a check valve on t= he gravity side. The only filters that I used were Gascolator and a homemad= e finger screen that was inserted in the outlet connector of the tank. The bottom of the pickup filter screen was one inch above the bottom of the tank. The finger screen was made from very fine brass mesh. Water would = not go thru this screen. A small copper tube was attached to the top of the Gascolator and routed = to the top of the tank. A drain line was installed that would drain any water in the bottom of th= e tank and also when emptying the tank. With the line disconnected at the Ellison, better than 20 gal per hour and would flow on the gravity syste= m alone. The gravity system was more than was needed to run the Ellison wide open. There was no RPM gain when the pump was turned on. There is a small filter screen that is built into the EFS-2, item #2 on t= he general parts layout. Unscrew the fuel inlet fitting to find it. This filter may also need cleaning, which may allow more fuel to flow with les= s pressure. I hope this helps. Sam SayerGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download= : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C17693.58B4D280-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 13:54:43 -0800 To: "kr" From: "Bob Sauer" Subject: Sidestick Message-ID: <002e01c176c4$f65f68c0$2a96bbd0@home> ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C17681.E6AADA60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone have a drawing of how a sidestick is made and installed? thanks Bob Sauer Las Vegas From: resauer@softcom.net ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C17681.E6AADA60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 15:01:03 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Clark Harlow Subject: KR 2 project for sale Message-ID: <20011126230103.66358.qmail@web21008.mail.yahoo.com> I have two planes from the mid to late 70s one with good wings & a 3 hr old GP 1835. The other has a good fuselage, panel & canopy. I was going to mate them build new gear, recowl the engine and go flying, then I went and got married. Need the space. I got almost $5000 in it. Make offer. Ideas of something just a little bit bigger? Clark Harlow www.hangglidetennessee.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:25:46 -0500 To: "Daniel Heath" , "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: RE: Will the Ellison Carb run on gravity feed Message-ID: I would hope that someone could go way up in the sky, and then try to run without the pump while the header tank was low. Test like that ought to be run with lots of air UNDER you. The basic question still remains; do we wear a belt and suspenders? Do you like dual ignition? No aircraft ought to fly depending on a single ELECTRIC pump to maintain operations. I guess if we can't know the system will run without electric power, then we should use the VW engine driven pump with the electric as a backup. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:25:54 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Elevator hinges Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C176B0.2A8A1A60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was looking for Dr. Deans website so I could show someone the Dr. Dean = hinges. Has his website moved or eliminated? I cant seem to bring it up. Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C176B0.2A8A1A60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 18:50:39 -0600 To: "krnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Elevator hinges Message-ID: <09cd01c176dd$89708ff0$0100a8c0@cmc3075662a> Jack Cooper wrote: >I was looking for Dr. Deans website so I could show someone the Dr. Dean hinges. Has his website moved >or eliminated? I cant seem to bring it up. Jack, Dean's website's been dead since he changed ISPs to go "broadband". He was kind enough to send it for me, which I threw out there at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/dean_hinge/ . This is THE way to do KR tail hinges... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:04:47 -0800 (PST) To: ROBERT COOPER From: Tim Brown Cc: Group KR NET Subject: Re: KR> Elevator hinges Message-ID: <20011127030447.98353.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> If you can't get it elsewhere, I have a couple photos of my attempt at the Dr.Dean hinge on my site at http//angelfire.com/super/timkr2s This is most certainly the way to go. Tim --- ROBERT COOPER wrote: > I was looking for Dr. Deans website so I could > show someone the Dr. Dean hinges. Has his > website moved or eliminated? I cant seem to > bring it up. > > Jack Cooper > mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com > http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ > Fayetteville, NC. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 19:01:51 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: Re: KR> rudder pedals Message-ID: <20011127030151.40457.qmail@web9506.mail.yahoo.com> This is all that I received and I could not get a direct to sender reply to go through. Can nikki try to send it to me again? Tim --- nikki <_synergydesign@sopris.net> wrote: ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************