From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 14 Dec 2001 07:31:07 -0000 Issue 341 Date: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:31 PM krnet Digest 14 Dec 2001 07:31:07 -0000 Issue 341 Topics (messages 8084 through 8110): Re: Byrd Crash web pix 8084 by: Ray Brock 8095 by: dawnpatrol.onemain.com 8107 by: ROBERT COOPER Re: shoulder belts 8085 by: Mark Langford 8090 by: Daniel Heath 8094 by: Jerry Mahurin weight but no balance 8086 by: Sean Clay 8089 by: Daniel Heath Re: fuel injection 8087 by: Ron Eason kr-2s for sale NM 8088 by: John Esch Re: kr gathering 2002 8091 by: Daniel Heath 8096 by: dawnpatrol.onemain.com 8103 by: virgnvs.juno.com CRASH 8092 by: krwr1.zoominternet.net 8093 by: Larry and Marcia Pogodzinski Lakeland? 8097 by: Frank Ross 8099 by: Robert Stone 8110 by: John Esch Re: weight and balance 8098 by: Stuart Deal 8105 by: JEAN VERON KR Aircraft for sale 8100 by: Robert Stone 8104 by: JEAN VERON KR2S for sale 8101 by: dan zinni Gathering Location 8102 by: flykr2s.execpc.com garmin gps90 8106 by: Bob Smith 8109 by: Ross Youngblood Jet Powered Beer Cooler 8108 by: Ross Youngblood Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:17:23 -0600 To: From: "Ray Brock" Subject: RE: KR> Byrd Crash web pix Message-ID: <000401c1837c$4d22e380$c6e10318@cx603929b> Try this link!! http://www.eaa231.org/photos/crash.htm > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Ross [mailto:kae_ar@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:54 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Byrd Crash web pix > > > Bob, > Go to Don Reid's EAA chapter 231 (Richmond VA) site. > http://www.eaa231.org > Click on "Photos" at the top and look for the link to > the "Byrd Crash". > I'm not sure what happened, but I hope if I break my > plane, everyone will keep it real quiet until I get > the wreckage buried somewhere. :] > That's also a real nice site to look through. Good > pictures of great aircraft. > Thanks Don, > Frank > http://www.eaa231.org/ > > --- Robert Stone wrote: > > Netters: Can anyone give me a URL where I can see > > pictures of the Byrd crash and also an explanation > > of what happened. I have seen at least one URL but > > every time I try to access it I get: "This page > > cannot be shown" > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:42:59 -0600 To: "Frank Ross" , From: Subject: Re: KR> Byrd Crash web pix Message-ID: <002301c183dc$157de320$4511f8d1@matandcat> Could someone tell me where the seat belts were attached in the byrd crash and if the attach points were still in tact after the crash. I would like to see other KR crashes posted so we can compare photos to see what stays together and what does not. From what I can see from the pics of the byrd crash it is a pretty good crash as crashes go. His seat belt must have held quite well as he walked away from it. The fact that it came apart in so many pieces is a good thing. It dissipates a lot of energy that would other wise have acted on the pilot. If you look at the crashes in racing cars you can see they come apart in a lot of separate pieces thus saving the driver. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: KR> Byrd Crash web pix > Bob, > Go to Don Reid's EAA chapter 231 (Richmond VA) site. > http://www.eaa231.org > Click on "Photos" at the top and look for the link to > the "Byrd Crash". > I'm not sure what happened, but I hope if I break my > plane, everyone will keep it real quiet until I get > the wreckage buried somewhere. :] > That's also a real nice site to look through. Good > pictures of great aircraft. > Thanks Don, > Frank > http://www.eaa231.org/ > > --- Robert Stone wrote: > > Netters: Can anyone give me a URL where I can see > > pictures of the Byrd crash and also an explanation > > of what happened. I have seen at least one URL but > > every time I try to access it I get: "This page > > cannot be shown" > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 21:06:37 -0500 To: , "Frank Ross" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> Byrd Crash web pix Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1841A.0DB582E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gene's satbelt was attached to the aft spar and the shoulder harness atta= ched to the tail cone by cables. One side of the seatbelt pulled out of t= he spar. =20 Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: dawnpatrol@onemain.com Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:19 AM To: Frank Ross; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Byrd Crash web pix Could someone tell me where the seat belts were attached in the byrd cras= h and if the attach points were still in tact after the crash. I would like= to see other KR crashes posted so we can compare photos to see what stays together and what does not. From what I can see from the pics of the byrd crash it is a pretty good crash as crashes go. His seat belt must have he= ld quite well as he walked away from it. The fact that it came apart in so many pieces is a good thing. It dissipates a lot of energy that would oth= er wise have acted on the pilot. If you look at the crashes in racing cars y= ou can see they come apart in a lot of separate pieces thus saving the drive= r. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 4:53 PM Subject: KR> Byrd Crash web pix > Bob, > Go to Don Reid's EAA chapter 231 (Richmond VA) site. > http://www.eaa231.org > Click on "Photos" at the top and look for the link to > the "Byrd Crash". > I'm not sure what happened, but I hope if I break my > plane, everyone will keep it real quiet until I get > the wreckage buried somewhere. :] > That's also a real nice site to look through. Good > pictures of great aircraft. > Thanks Don, > Frank > http://www.eaa231.org/ > > --- Robert Stone wrote: > > Netters: Can anyone give me a URL where I can see > > pictures of the Byrd crash and also an explanation > > of what happened. I have seen at least one URL but > > every time I try to access it I get: "This page > > cannot be shown" > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx. > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1841A.0DB582E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 21:55:56 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> shoulder belts Message-ID: <009b01c1838a$139dd1c0$eb02a58c@newyork> Drawings for Rand Robinson's seatbelt recommendation are located at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html, about 2/3 of the way down. My apologies about all the stuff that you have to wade through to get there. I'm in NYC on business for two weeks suffering with a 26k modem connection, which is a reminder to me to keep images and files small... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:41:43 -0500 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> shoulder belts Message-ID: <001701c183cb$2401c4e0$da2c5d0c@scana.com> Now that is really interesting. The shoulder harness attached to the shelf. Jerry and I won't feel so embarrassed about showing you ours now. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:55 PM Subject: Re: KR> shoulder belts > Drawings for Rand Robinson's seatbelt recommendation are located at > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html, about 2/3 of the way down. My > apologies about all the stuff that you have to wade through to get there. > I'm in NYC on business for two weeks suffering with a 26k modem connection, > which is a reminder to me to keep images and files small... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:34:22 -0500 To: "Daniel Heath" ,"Mark Langford" , From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> shoulder belts Message-ID: Dan, Whadda ya mean 'embarassed'....! Speak for yourself. I am proud of our engineering and execution on seat belt attachments..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:41:43 -0500 "Daniel Heath" wrote: > Now that is really interesting. The shoulder harness > attached to the shelf. > Jerry and I won't feel so embarrassed about showing you > ours now. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 10:55 PM > Subject: Re: KR> shoulder belts > > > > Drawings for Rand Robinson's seatbelt recommendation > are located at > > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/misc.html, about 2/3 > of the way down. My > > apologies about all the stuff that you have to wade > through to get there. > > I'm in NYC on business for two weeks suffering with a > 26k modem > connection, > > which is a reminder to me to keep images and files > small... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other system! > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 20:05:41 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Sean Clay" Subject: weight but no balance Message-ID: Ok now i know something is wrong. The Kr I bought has 75 hours on it so it has obviously flown. It has no electrical system. so no starter, yes the good ol fashion had proping is needed. Tonight as I propped the plane the tail floated up off the ground and luckily it was tied off cause it would have struck the ground what is really going on without a passenger the tail doesnt seem to want to stay on the ground. It weight in at 515 with a gross of 780 _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 06:34:37 -0500 To: "Sean Clay" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> weight but no balance Message-ID: <001001c183ca$26124ad0$da2c5d0c@scana.com> Don't jump to conclusions. Was the stick tied back? Remember it is very responsive. The airflow over the elevator, if down, will cause the nose to go down. It does seem a bit heavy for a 1. Do a W & B yourself before you proceed. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Clay" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: KR> weight but no balance > > > > Ok now i know something is wrong. The Kr I bought has 75 hours on it so it > has obviously flown. It has no electrical system. so no starter, yes the > good ol fashion had proping is needed. Tonight as I propped the plane the > tail floated up off the ground and luckily it was tied off cause it would > have struck the ground what is really going on without a passenger the tail > doesnt seem to want to stay on the ground. It weight in at 515 with a gross > of 780 > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:29:09 -0800 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Fw: fuel injection Message-ID: <003f01c1839f$7a3532b0$bbd81f41@Administration> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Eason" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:50 PM Subject: fuel injection > http://sdsefi.com/index.html > fuel injection resource. > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 22:00:51 -0800 To: KR-Net From: John Esch Subject: kr-2s for sale NM Message-ID: <3C184413.C0B5232D@earthlink.net> There is a KR-2S for sale for $1400 in New Mexico. http://skyfamily.com/donateyourplane/index9.html -- John F. Esch KR-2S Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:03:02 -0500 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Cc: , , Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 Message-ID: <006e01c183ce$1ec47e20$da2c5d0c@scana.com> Lakeland is OK, but there is also not a very good KR turnout. I don't think that it is realistic to expect KRs from the West Coast to go all the way to the East Coast. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:31 PM Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > Why you guys no like Lakeland ??? Virg > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:12:05 -0500 "Daniel Heath" writes: > > My wife just found my 1992 KR 20th year anniversary T shirt that I > > got at > > Oshkosh that year. Would anyone like to do anything this year at > > either > > Oshkosh or the gathering for the 30th? I prefer the gathering, as > > Oshkosh > > virtually ignored us that year and we get a much better turn out at > > the > > gathering. > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > See our KR2 at: > > > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert Stone" > > To: "garbez" ; "KR-POST" > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:29 AM > > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > > > > Mike: Your Web Site has a little error, It says the 2002 > > gathering will > > be > > > held on 19 - 22 September 2001. This was three months > > ago????????????? > > > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "garbez" > > > To: "KR-POST" > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:09 PM > > > Subject: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > > > > > > > To all KR Guys, > > > > I'm not sure where you are looking for the dates for the 2002 > > gatthering > > > > info but the following web site will give you all the info you > > need. > > > Where > > > > were you looking so I can fix the problem? > > > > www.krgathering.org > > > > > > > > Mike Garbez 2002 KR fly-in host > > > > > > > > Subject: Date of KR 2002 Gathering > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > > >It would be helpful if all the places on your website, where > > you > > mention > > > > >about the KR gathering for 2002; you also include the "dates of > > it"!! > > > > > > > > > >Seeya There, > > > > > > > > > >Larry A. Capps > > > > >Naperville, IL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > > all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > . > > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > system! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > > all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > system! > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > system! > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:06:28 -0600 To: "Daniel Heath" , From: Cc: , , Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 Message-ID: <000f01c183df$5dd880a0$4511f8d1@matandcat> I don't have my KR in the air yet so why not have the gathering in cape Girardeau, Mo. We have a pretty big air show in July, two long runways and plenty of hospitality. You can see a great air show and show off the KRs at the same time. --------------Contact Bruce Loy, airport mgn. at 573-334-6230 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:03 AM Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > Lakeland is OK, but there is also not a very good KR turnout. I don't think > that it is realistic to expect KRs from the West Coast to go all the way to > the East Coast. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: ; ; > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > Why you guys no like Lakeland ??? Virg > > > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:12:05 -0500 "Daniel Heath" writes: > > > My wife just found my 1992 KR 20th year anniversary T shirt that I > > > got at > > > Oshkosh that year. Would anyone like to do anything this year at > > > either > > > Oshkosh or the gathering for the 30th? I prefer the gathering, as > > > Oshkosh > > > virtually ignored us that year and we get a much better turn out at > > > the > > > gathering. > > > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > > > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > > See our KR2 at: > > > > > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Robert Stone" > > > To: "garbez" ; "KR-POST" > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:29 AM > > > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > > > > > > > Mike: Your Web Site has a little error, It says the 2002 > > > gathering will > > > be > > > > held on 19 - 22 September 2001. This was three months > > > ago????????????? > > > > > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "garbez" > > > > To: "KR-POST" > > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:09 PM > > > > Subject: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all KR Guys, > > > > > I'm not sure where you are looking for the dates for the 2002 > > > gatthering > > > > > info but the following web site will give you all the info you > > > need. > > > > Where > > > > > were you looking so I can fix the problem? > > > > > www.krgathering.org > > > > > > > > > > Mike Garbez 2002 KR fly-in host > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Date of KR 2002 Gathering > > > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > > > >It would be helpful if all the places on your website, where > > > you > > > mention > > > > > >about the KR gathering for 2002; you also include the "dates of > > > it"!! > > > > > > > > > > > >Seeya There, > > > > > > > > > > > >Larry A. Capps > > > > > >Naperville, IL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > > > all" > > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > . > > > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > > system! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > > > all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > . > > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > > system! > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > > system! > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:07:37 -0500 To: dawnpatrol@onemain.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: DanRH@att.net, rlspjs@dashlink.com, msgtlg@netins.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 Message-ID: <20011213.170950.-333807.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Lot of you east of the miss, Virg On Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:06:28 -0600 writes: > I don't have my KR in the air yet so why not have the gathering in > cape > Girardeau, Mo. We have a pretty big air show in July, two long > runways and > plenty of hospitality. You can see a great air show and show off the > KRs at > the same time. --------------Contact Bruce Loy, airport mgn. at > 573-334-6230 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Daniel Heath" > To: > Cc: ; ; > > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 6:03 AM > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > Lakeland is OK, but there is also not a very good KR turnout. I > don't > think > > that it is realistic to expect KRs from the West Coast to go all > the way > to > > the East Coast. > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > See our KR2 at: > > > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Cc: ; ; > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:31 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > > > > Why you guys no like Lakeland ??? Virg > > > > > > On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 21:12:05 -0500 "Daniel Heath" > > writes: > > > > My wife just found my 1992 KR 20th year anniversary T shirt > that I > > > > got at > > > > Oshkosh that year. Would anyone like to do anything this year > at > > > > either > > > > Oshkosh or the gathering for the 30th? I prefer the > gathering, as > > > > Oshkosh > > > > virtually ignored us that year and we get a much better turn > out at > > > > the > > > > gathering. > > > > > > > > Daniel R. Heath > > > > > > > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > > > > See our KR2 at: > > > > > > > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Robert Stone" > > > > To: "garbez" ; "KR-POST" > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 11:29 AM > > > > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike: Your Web Site has a little error, It says the 2002 > > > > gathering will > > > > be > > > > > held on 19 - 22 September 2001. This was three months > > > > ago????????????? > > > > > > > > > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > > > > > rlspjs@dashlink.com > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "garbez" > > > > > To: "KR-POST" > > > > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:09 PM > > > > > Subject: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To all KR Guys, > > > > > > I'm not sure where you are looking for the dates for the > 2002 > > > > gatthering > > > > > > info but the following web site will give you all the info > you > > > > need. > > > > > Where > > > > > > were you looking so I can fix the problem? > > > > > > www.krgathering.org > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike Garbez 2002 KR fly-in host > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Date of KR 2002 Gathering > > > > > > > > > > > > Larry wrote: > > > > > > >It would be helpful if all the places on your website, > where > > > > you > > > > mention > > > > > > >about the KR gathering for 2002; you also include the > "dates of > > > > it"!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Seeya There, > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Larry A. Capps > > > > > > >Naperville, IL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply > > > > all" > > > > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > . > > > > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other > > > > system! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or > "reply > > > > all" > > > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > . > > > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some > other > > > > system! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > all" > > > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > > > > system! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > all" > > > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > . > > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other > system! > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 07:31:06 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: krwr1@zoominternet.net Subject: CRASH Message-ID: <3C18593A.28873.DC997C3@localhost> Hi All There may be some new members on the krnet that have not seen the crash pictures on my web site of a KR1. Go to www.twocom.com/billskr The pilot walked away . Bill Reents Youngstown Ohio USA krwr1@zoominternet.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 05:24:13 -0800 (PST) To: krwr1@zoominternet.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Larry and Marcia Pogodzinski Subject: Re: KR> CRASH Message-ID: <20011213132413.38777.qmail@web10901.mail.yahoo.com> --0-682299865-1008249853=:35574 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii To All: I am a new guy and I am interested in purchasing a kr2 or kr2s. I am 5' ll' 195# would this plane be ok for me? I have made inquiry's to kr2's for sale on barstormers, waiting for replies. Can anyone tell me if this airplane can be flown of good grass strips? Also, if anyone has one for sale, please let me know. Thanks, Larry krwr1@zoominternet.net wrote: Hi All There may be some new members on the krnet that have not seen the crash pictures on my web site of a KR1. Go to www.twocom.com/billskr The pilot walked away . Bill Reents Youngstown Ohio USA krwr1@zoominternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctionsfor all of your holiday gifts! --0-682299865-1008249853=:35574-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 09:19:31 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Lakeland? Message-ID: <20011213171931.38272.qmail@web14003.mail.yahoo.com> > Lakeland is OK, but there is also not a very good KR > turnout. I don't think > that it is realistic to expect KRs from the West > Coast to go all the way to > the East Coast. > Daniel R. Heath > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > Why you guys no like Lakeland ??? Virg It's not that anyone expects KRs to fly Coast to Coast. They don't even fly to events in their local area. I was surprised to see the Ft. Lauderdale Florida KR at this year's Gathering because he's never been to Sun-n-Fun as far as I know. Tom Crawford always manages to bring his plane to SNF no matter how busy he is, but only one or two others ever show up there. Copperstate was the same way. Plenty of KRs in that area, but the only ones I ever saw flew in from Utah, Colorado, and California. Why? Never have seen a KR at Abiline, TX, and there are more than a FEW within 200 mi. Now SWRFI at Abiline will probably never see a KR because they moved their date up to coincide with the Gathering. Too bad. I do not understand why KR drivers do not show their planes at EAA events. I know that some guys like Howard Kaiser in Phoenix AZ were very busy (he with Copperstate) and that probably had a lot to do with it. I know others, like me, are not real confident with flying in the high traffic environment of Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh. But that still does not account for the paucity of KRs at other fly-ins. Like I said, I don't expect anyone to fly their plane clear across the country, just to something close by. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:57:37 -0600 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Lakeland? Message-ID: <000b01c18410$6bac9460$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Netters: Why not have the next get together in a central part of the country like right here in central Texas. Killeen (the town just down the road a piece) is a nice town with plenty of good hotels, restaurants, etc. The airport is a good size one for a KR Meet and the manager is a member of EAA so I know they would like to have the get together here. The main advantage is, members who would be flying or driving would not have to travel coast to coast to get here. The maximum distance from either coast is about l600 miles. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 11:19 AM Subject: KR> Lakeland? > > Lakeland is OK, but there is also not a very good KR > > turnout. I don't think > > that it is realistic to expect KRs from the West > > Coast to go all the way to > > the East Coast. > > Daniel R. Heath > > > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > Why you guys no like Lakeland ??? Virg > > It's not that anyone expects KRs to fly Coast to > Coast. They don't even fly to events in their local > area. > I was surprised to see the Ft. Lauderdale Florida KR > at this year's Gathering because he's never been to > Sun-n-Fun as far as I know. Tom Crawford always > manages to bring his plane to SNF no matter how busy > he is, but only one or two others ever show up there. > Copperstate was the same way. Plenty of KRs in that > area, but the only ones I ever saw flew in from Utah, > Colorado, and California. Why? > Never have seen a KR at Abiline, TX, and there are > more than a FEW within 200 mi. Now SWRFI at Abiline > will probably never see a KR because they moved their > date up to coincide with the Gathering. Too bad. > I do not understand why KR drivers do not show their > planes at EAA events. I know that some guys like > Howard Kaiser in Phoenix AZ were very busy (he with > Copperstate) and that probably had a lot to do with > it. I know others, like me, are not real confident > with flying in the high traffic environment of > Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh. But that still does not account > for the paucity of KRs at other fly-ins. > Like I said, I don't expect anyone to fly their plane > clear across the country, just to something close by. > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 23:35:49 -0800 To: Frank Ross From: John Esch CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Lakeland? Message-ID: <3C19ABD5.CC373259@earthlink.net> What about a West Coast gathering? John Esch Independence, OR Frank Ross wrote: > > Lakeland is OK, but there is also not a very good KR > > turnout. I don't think > > that it is realistic to expect KRs from the West > > Coast to go all the way to > > the East Coast. > > Daniel R. Heath > > > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > Why you guys no like Lakeland ??? Virg > > It's not that anyone expects KRs to fly Coast to > Coast. They don't even fly to events in their local > area. > I was surprised to see the Ft. Lauderdale Florida KR > at this year's Gathering because he's never been to > Sun-n-Fun as far as I know. Tom Crawford always > manages to bring his plane to SNF no matter how busy > he is, but only one or two others ever show up there. > Copperstate was the same way. Plenty of KRs in that > area, but the only ones I ever saw flew in from Utah, > Colorado, and California. Why? > Never have seen a KR at Abiline, TX, and there are > more than a FEW within 200 mi. Now SWRFI at Abiline > will probably never see a KR because they moved their > date up to coincide with the Gathering. Too bad. > I do not understand why KR drivers do not show their > planes at EAA events. I know that some guys like > Howard Kaiser in Phoenix AZ were very busy (he with > Copperstate) and that probably had a lot to do with > it. I know others, like me, are not real confident > with flying in the high traffic environment of > Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh. But that still does not account > for the paucity of KRs at other fly-ins. > Like I said, I don't expect anyone to fly their plane > clear across the country, just to something close by. > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! -- John F. Esch KR-2S Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 08:15:41 +0000 To: Daniel Heath , KRNet From: Stuart Deal Subject: Re: KR> weight and balance Message-ID: <3C1863AD.A5BCDE5D@sonic.net> Suppose you want to get an accurate weight in the middle of nowhere, without a scale. Lift the wheels, just enough to see air, one at a time using a lever and a known weight. You could use water in known volume containers to calculate weight. Slide the know weight to where the wheel and weight balance, measure the lever. Calculate the lever arm, be sure to include the weight of the lever (averaged at 1/2 the length) in your calculations. A sling of some type, under tires, would make this pretty accurate. Stuart Daniel Heath wrote: > > Good question. I have another one. How do you weigh your planes? I had to > take the Little Beast to Eagle Aviation to have it weighed and I think that > I was lucky that they agreed to do it. But that was a long time ago. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sean Clay" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:53 PM > Subject: KR> weight and balance > > > > > Ok more questions can anyone tell me how to creat a weight and balance? > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 18:29:21 -0600 To: , "Daniel Heath" , "Sean Clay" , From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> weight and balance Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C18404.157E0300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I used bathroom scales but calibrated them by using 6 concrete blocks tha= t I had weighed at the local farm store and recorded the weight on each (= using certified scales ). I put them on the scales and then adjusted the= scale to read the weight of all 6 blocks. Hope this helps. Jean N4DD Broken Arrow, OK =20 =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ross Youngblood Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:00 PM To: Daniel Heath; Sean Clay; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> weight and balance =20 I have read that its not OK to use a bathroom scale, then in Vaughn Askue's book, I read it is OK to use a bathroom scale, provided you use the same scale for all three measurement points. I used three different bathroom scales and averaged the three readings after rotating them three times. This was for earlier preliminary weigh-= in's. I didn't see significant differences between the scales in my case, so I am assuming that the scales were reasonably accurate. Although to be truly accurate you could calibrate the scales with known weights around the values you expect to read. I think that that bathroom scales will have different errors at differing weights (i.e. they are non= -linear). On the one hand, the KR is lighter, so a given error on a bathroom scale will be a greater percentage of your measurement. On the other hand, the moment arms are shorter than other airplanes, so the multiplied moment error may not be as bad. Larger aircraft are simply too heavy to be used with bathroom scales unless you use a fulcrum type arrangment to divide the load the scales see in half. My take, if you have access to calibrated aircraft scales... use them. If not, using bathroom scales will probaby be pretty close. -- Ross 12/12/2001 4:22:31 AM, "Daniel Heath" wrote: >Good question. I have another one. How do you weigh your planes? I ha= d to >take the Little Beast to Eagle Aviation to have it weighed and I think t= hat >I was lucky that they agreed to do it. But that was a long time ago. > >Daniel R. Heath > >WWW.EAA242.ORG > >See our KR2 at: > >www.JerryMahurin.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sean Clay" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:53 PM >Subject: KR> weight and balance > > >> >> Ok more questions can anyone tell me how to creat a weight and balance= ? >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: >> http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >> AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! >> >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > Ross Youngblood rossy65@home.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C18404.157E0300-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:11:30 -0600 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: KR Aircraft for sale Message-ID: <000a01c18412$5b75a940$ebd8fea9@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C183E0.0FAEA020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This message is for the member who asked where he could find KR aircraft = for sale. Try Barnstormers, there are a number of KR's for sale = complete and flying and under construction. One I saw just today was a = KR-2S in boat stage for $4000.00 including wing skins. If the quality = of workmanship is good, this is a very good deal. Barnstormers URL is: http://www.barnstormers2000.com/ Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C183E0.0FAEA020-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 16:23:58 -0600 To: "rlspjs" , "KRNet" From: "JEAN VERON" Subject: Re: KR> KR Aircraft for sale Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C183F2.91693500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I know it is not friday yet so I beg for forgiveness. After much thought = , I have decided to sell N4DD. About 20 hours on Continental O-200, 3 bla= de Warp drive prop, Icom A-200 radio, Cessna X-ponder w/encoder, ELT, wi= red for intercom and GPS. $12,000 takes it home. Jean Veron Broken Arrow, Ok =20 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Stone Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 2:21 PM To: KRNet Subject: KR> KR Aircraft for sale =20 This message is for the member who asked where he could find KR aircraft = for sale. Try Barnstormers, there are a number of KR's for sale complete= and flying and under construction. One I saw just today was a KR-2S in = boat stage for $4000.00 including wing skins. If the quality of workmans= hip is good, this is a very good deal. Barnstormers URL is: http://www.barnstormers2000.com/ Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C183F2.91693500-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 15:25:08 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "dan zinni" Subject: KR2S for sale Message-ID: I found a KR2S for sale at http://www.skyfamily.com/donateyourplane/index.html for anyone who is interested. It is in the boat stage. Dan Zinni _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 14:49:13 -0600 (CST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykr2s@execpc.com Cc: Subject: Gathering Location Message-Id: <200112132049.OAA85082@nm1.nwbl.wi.voyager.net> The location of the Gathering is determined and voted on each year at the Gathering dinner. If you wish to host the Gathering you must present it to the group at the dinner or have someone present it for you. A vote will then be taken and the location with the most votes wins. It is as simple as that. Being the host of a Gathering takes a lot of planning and time by the host. If you are serious about wanting to host a Gathering then I would suggest you be at the upcoming 2002 Gathering and present your case. Mark Jones ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:53:36 -0500 To: From: "Bob Smith" Subject: garmin gps90 Message-ID: <001501c18442$2534a680$6dac1842@nycap.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C18418.3C0AB220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Gang, remember me? I'm still lurking on the net. I know this is a bit off the KR line but I just got hold of a Garmin = GPS90 that seems to not be able to aquire the satellites. It used to = work just fine but about a year ago stopped aquiring. I know they did something with the national GPS system about that time = so I am thinking that that might be my problem.=20 Is there something I need to do to make it work again? I know I haven't posted in a long time but I am still here with my KR2S = (boat done, tail mostly done, all spars done, decks started). For some = reason I have just not had the motivation to keep going with my project. = I think maybe its because I know I have so much to go yet and now I'm = getting to where it takes more money and time. Money is short since I'm = sending twins to college. Also I got sick of that urethane dust in my = eyes. But I don't give up easy and I'm ready to move on with my project. Bob Smith, Albany, NY ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01C18418.3C0AB220-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:05:20 -0700 To: Bob Smith , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> garmin gps90 Message-Id: <20011214025826.ORFN4995.femail42.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx239334-a> Bob, It may take several minutes for your GPS to figure out whats going on possibly up to 30? I'm thinking at least 5 minutes, if it hasn't been on in over a year. They turned off "Selective Availability" (SA) which was a dithering that they did to the commercial signal to make it less accurate. Now the accuracy of commercial GPS is as good as Military (I think). SA was originally done to prevent terrorists from using the GPS signal to guide bombs etc, but now the Military can locally jam the GPS signal, so I suppose it's not an issue? At any rate I don't think this would impact your GPS90's ability to acquire. I'd set it outside in the middle of the backyard for about 30 minutes with the power adapter and see if it can find anything. If you try it while moving inside a car, or building it will probably not work. After 30 minutes the GPS should have updated it's ephermis[sp?] which is a database of where to expect the satellites, then it won't take so long for subsequent acquires. GPS signals are line of sight, so you need to be away from tall buildings. I used to play with my DeLorme GPS, and if it was stuck inside next to the window, the best I could do is acquire 1 or two satelites for a short period. Take it outside, and it worked great. Also, if your GPS90 has an internal battery for this type of stuff, it might be gone which means that it can't keep track of the current date/time which would force it to do the long search every time. I have a cheap DeLorme GPS ($100) that has this problem. I also have a Garmin GPS190, and didn't use it for a year... my only complaint is that the NiCat battery is toas, I'd sure like a Lithium Ion or somthing alternate. 12/13/2001 6:53:36 PM, "Bob Smith" wrote: Hi Gang, remember me? I'm still lurking on the net. I know this is a bit off the KR line but I just got hold of a Garmin GPS90 that seems to not be able to aquire the satellites. It used to work just fine but about a year ago stopped aquiring. I know they did something with the national GPS system about that time so I am thinking that that might be my problem. Is there something I need to do to make it work again? I know I haven't posted in a long time but I am still here with my KR2S (boat done, tail mostly done, all spars done, decks started). For some reason I have just not had the motivation to keep going with my project. I think maybe its because I know I have so much to go yet and now I'm getting to where it takes more money and time. Money is short since I'm sending twins to college. Also I got sick of that urethane dust in my eyes. But I don't give up easy and I'm ready to move on with my project. Bob Smith, Albany, NY Ross Youngblood rossy65@home.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 20:00:20 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Jet Powered Beer Cooler Message-Id: <20011214025326.VMFI692.femail45.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cx239334-a> This post is for Friday his may be more appropriate for summer time, but it is summer in New Zealand http://www.asciimation.co.nz/beer/ Also, a ASCII star wars http://www.asciimation.co.nz/ Ross Youngblood rossy65@home.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************