From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 18 Dec 2001 17:13:42 -0000 Issue 343 Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2001 9:14 AM krnet Digest 18 Dec 2001 17:13:42 -0000 Issue 343 Topics (messages 8133 through 8150): BLANK E-MAIL 8133 by: Philip J. Visconti NEW KR2 8134 by: Phillip Matheson Re: It's not Friday... 8135 by: Robert Stone 8137 by: Frank Ross 8140 by: Ray Brock KR Diehl Mains 8136 by: Roman Maiwald Oil leaks 8138 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout 8139 by: ANTHONY SOLDANO 8143 by: David McKelvey Plans question 8141 by: Bill 8142 by: Daniel Heath 8147 by: MARVIN MCCOY 8148 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Lakeland? 8144 by: David McKelvey regional fly-ins 8145 by: larry flesner 8146 by: Daniel Heath rules of thumbs for S glass? 8149 by: The Pond Family 8150 by: Stuart Deal Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:01:30 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Philip J. Visconti" Subject: BLANK E-MAIL Message-ID: <20011216.000131.-684897.0.viscan@juno.com> I received an E-mail from someone named George Robertson. Is there such a person on krnet or is this another virus ? There was no text, only the title and address. Part of address trace said it was a multi-part message. Multi-part messages have usually been viruses. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 22:14:30 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: NEW KR2 Message-ID: <006f01c18622$d605d100$1696dccb@Matheson> ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C1867F.08482940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well all, I picked up my KR2 ,1/2 finished, today, drove 8 hours to get it. I'll try and see if I can work out some pics soon. Regards Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com =20 Australia. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01C1867F.08482940-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:20:40 -0600 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> It's not Friday... Message-ID: <000801c1863c$d7e73c60$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Mark: I agree, and I would think that all other members would also even though your remarks concerning the attack in New York have nothing to do with KR aircraft it's something we should never forget. This is one member who is not going to flame you for your message but I for one am glad that you told us about your experience. Also your contributions to the KRNet would offset any minor infraction of the rules. You have the best web site and we all know that a great amount of work and effort went into it. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:35 PM Subject: KR> It's not Friday... > ... so I should be unsubscribed for getting so far off subject, but I can't > keep this to myself. I don't know if I mentioned it, but I've been in NYC > for a week training "a major metropoliton police department" in the use of a > new anti-terrorist device that I've been helping to develop. Today we were > taken to Ground Zero for a visit that defies description. See > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/wtc/ . It'll take several minutes to load > if you're on a regular modem. One thing that this visit has driven home > for me is that New Yorkers have not forgotten! > > I consider myself extremely lucky to have witnessed this scene first-hand, > but I may have trouble sleeping for a while. Sorry for setting such a bad > example for the rest, but I'm hoping I can get away with it this once. I > debated whether or not 600 KRnetters would be interested. My guess is that > most would. Please flame me privately if you don't agree. My apologies... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 08:20:46 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> It's not Friday... Message-ID: <20011216162046.30671.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> Mark, Thank you for sharing not only this but all the other stuff you've thought important enough to put on your site and on the krnet. Thanks Frank .... > I consider myself extremely lucky to have witnessed > this scene first-hand, > but I may have trouble sleeping for a while. .... > My apologies... > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 06:17:17 -0600 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Ray Brock" Subject: RE: KR> It's not Friday... Message-ID: <000001c186f4$c4855860$c6e10318@cx603929b> Mark No apologies needed, thanks for sharing Ray > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] > Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 8:35 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> It's not Friday... > > > ... so I should be unsubscribed for getting so far off subject, > but I can't > keep this to myself. I don't know if I mentioned it, but I've been in NYC > for a week training "a major metropoliton police department" in > the use of a > new anti-terrorist device that I've been helping to develop. > Today we were > taken to Ground Zero for a visit that defies description. See > http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/wtc/ . It'll take several > minutes to load > if you're on a regular modem. One thing that this visit has driven home > for me is that New Yorkers have not forgotten! > > I consider myself extremely lucky to have witnessed this scene > first-hand, > but I may have trouble sleeping for a while. Sorry for setting such a bad > example for the rest, but I'm hoping I can get away with it this once. I > debated whether or not 600 KRnetters would be interested. My > guess is that > most would. Please flame me privately if you don't agree. My > apologies... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 07:25:36 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Roman Maiwald Subject: KR Diehl Mains Message-ID: <20011216152536.76333.qmail@web12207.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for all those great responses You guys were a great help Thanks again Roman Maiwald South Africa ( Johannesburg ) ZS-WAM __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:34:31 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Subject: Oil leaks Message-ID: <20011216.133431.-195301.1.klw1953@juno.com> Just wondering how many of the VW powered 2's out there are bothered by little oil leaks around the push rod tubes? My engine only has 45 hrs on it but it's 18 yrs old so I replaced the push rod seals that I got from JC Whitney. I didn't get oil in it to see if it's fixed. Also my breather tube from the top of the engine is a source of drippage, not much just enough that after a hrs worth of flying I have a wet spot inside the cowling. Thanks-----Kenny 6399U ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 20:16:40 -0800 To: , "Kenneth L Wiltrout" From: "ANTHONY SOLDANO" Subject: Re: KR> Oil leaks Message-ID: <001101c186b1$a21b0e20$c1cdd03f@compaq> on vw push rod tubes it is very important to make sure the welds on the tubes are facing up. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout To: krnet@mailinglists.org Date: Sunday, December 16, 2001 10:33 AM Subject: KR> Oil leaks >Just wondering how many of the VW powered 2's out there are bothered by >little oil leaks around the push rod tubes? My engine only has 45 hrs on >it but it's 18 yrs old so I replaced the push rod seals that I got from >JC Whitney. I didn't get oil in it to see if it's fixed. Also my breather >tube from the top of the engine is a source of drippage, not much just >enough that after a hrs worth of flying I have a wet spot inside the >cowling. Thanks-----Kenny 6399U >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . >AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 16:54:27 -0600 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> Oil leaks Message-ID: I get nervous when they stop leaking!! -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth L Wiltrout [mailto:klw1953@juno.com] Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 12:35 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Oil leaks Just wondering how many of the VW powered 2's out there are bothered by little oil leaks around the push rod tubes? My engine only has 45 hrs on it but it's 18 yrs old so I replaced the push rod seals that I got from JC Whitney. I didn't get oil in it to see if it's fixed. Also my breather tube from the top of the engine is a source of drippage, not much just enough that after a hrs worth of flying I have a wet spot inside the cowling. Thanks-----Kenny 6399U ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:25:44 -0500 To: From: "Bill" Subject: Plans question Message-ID: <003c01c18739$017bc9e0$526bfea9@airplane> ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1870F.1837BDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have gotten hold of a set of KR2 plans. However they are dated 1976. How many updated to the plans are there? Should I just go buy a new set of plans? Bill vze2gw5q@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C1870F.1837BDD0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:11:20 -0500 To: "Bill" , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Plans question Message-ID: <000c01c18747$c30f6b80$a22d5d0c@scana.com> Bill, For many years, the updates to the plans were nothing more that articles in the newsletter. I don't know if they ever included all the updates in the plans, but that would probably your only chance of getting the most accurate. I know that some very early versions had the wash out wrong. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 3:25 PM Subject: KR> Plans question I have gotten hold of a set of KR2 plans. However they are dated 1976. How many updated to the plans are there? Should I just go buy a new set of plans? Bill vze2gw5q@verizon.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:52:04 -0800 To: Bill From: MARVIN MCCOY CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Plans question Message-ID: <3C1EA144.68C25F86@worldnet.att.net> Bill: I believe the only real changes to the plans were the addition of the drawings to make the kr2 a kr2S. You use the same plans They just added some more drawings. The news letter and especially here on the net, many changes have been done by different people. These were not changes to the plans, only someone else's idea of a better way to build it. Some of the ideas are very good, some are not. Regarding getting a set of new plans, just remember that the kr2 is only kept alive, after all of these years, because Ken's wife Janet sells the plans and other parts. Hope this helps Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA North end of Boeing field ------------ Bill wrote: > > I have gotten hold of a set of KR2 plans. > However they are dated 1976. > How many updated to the plans are there? > Should I just go buy a new set of plans? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:25:17 -0500 To: vze2gw5q@verizon.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Plans question Message-ID: <20011217.223034.-444199.2.virgnvs@juno.com> RR will exchange for difference in price, Virg On Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:25:44 -0500 "Bill" writes: > I have gotten hold of a set of KR2 plans. > However they are dated 1976. > How many updated to the plans are there? > Should I just go buy a new set of plans? > Bill > vze2gw5q@verizon.net > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2001 17:04:31 -0600 To: From: "David McKelvey" Subject: RE: KR> Lakeland? Message-ID: Maybe it's time to start thinking about regional fly-ins, say east coast, west coast, and somewhere in between. I just thought we'd have more builders involved if the events were more conveniently located. -----Original Message----- From: John Esch [mailto:jfesch@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, December 14, 2001 1:36 AM To: Frank Ross Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Lakeland? What about a West Coast gathering? John Esch Independence, OR Frank Ross wrote: > > Lakeland is OK, but there is also not a very good KR > > turnout. I don't think > > that it is realistic to expect KRs from the West > > Coast to go all the way to > > the East Coast. > > Daniel R. Heath > > > Subject: Re: KR> kr gathering 2002 > > > Why you guys no like Lakeland ??? Virg > > It's not that anyone expects KRs to fly Coast to > Coast. They don't even fly to events in their local > area. > I was surprised to see the Ft. Lauderdale Florida KR > at this year's Gathering because he's never been to > Sun-n-Fun as far as I know. Tom Crawford always > manages to bring his plane to SNF no matter how busy > he is, but only one or two others ever show up there. > Copperstate was the same way. Plenty of KRs in that > area, but the only ones I ever saw flew in from Utah, > Colorado, and California. Why? > Never have seen a KR at Abiline, TX, and there are > more than a FEW within 200 mi. Now SWRFI at Abiline > will probably never see a KR because they moved their > date up to coincide with the Gathering. Too bad. > I do not understand why KR drivers do not show their > planes at EAA events. I know that some guys like > Howard Kaiser in Phoenix AZ were very busy (he with > Copperstate) and that probably had a lot to do with > it. I know others, like me, are not real confident > with flying in the high traffic environment of > Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh. But that still does not account > for the paucity of KRs at other fly-ins. > Like I said, I don't expect anyone to fly their plane > clear across the country, just to something close by. > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of > your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com > or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! -- John F. Esch KR-2S Taxiway Bonanza, Independence, OR --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 17:16:24 -0600 To: From: larry flesner Subject: regional fly-ins Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20011217171624.0086f100@pop3.norton.antivirus> At 05:04 PM 12/6/01 -0600, David McKelvey wrote: >Maybe it's time to start thinking about regional fly-ins, say east coast, >west coast, and somewhere in between. I just thought we'd have more >builders involved if the events were more conveniently located. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= Maybe builders in different regions could find out what airshows/fly-ins are taking place in their area and have something in connection with that. It wouldn't have to be an offical "Gathering". We could still have the "OFFICIAL GATHERING" each September as planned. All we need is a host and then get the word out. It just takes someone to do it and not get disappointed if the turnout isn't as expected. Even if only two builders get together, someone is going to learn something. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 20:09:28 -0500 To: , "larry flesner" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> regional fly-ins Message-ID: <000901c18760$a5f324b0$8a2c5d0c@scana.com> We have several fly-ins in this area each year. I will post them on the net and if someone will tell me what a "HOST" is to do, I will do it, if I can. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:16 PM Subject: KR> regional fly-ins > At 05:04 PM 12/6/01 -0600, David McKelvey wrote: > >Maybe it's time to start thinking about regional fly-ins, say east coast, > >west coast, and somewhere in between. I just thought we'd have more > >builders involved if the events were more conveniently located. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= > > Maybe builders in different regions could find out what > airshows/fly-ins are taking place in their area and have > something in connection with that. It wouldn't have to > be an offical "Gathering". We could still have the > "OFFICIAL GATHERING" each September as planned. All we > need is a host and then get the word out. It just takes > someone to do it and not get disappointed if the > turnout isn't as expected. Even if only two builders get > together, someone is going to learn something. > > Larry Flesner > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 22:48:06 -0800 To: krnet From: The Pond Family Subject: rules of thumbs for S glass? Message-ID: <3C1EE6A6.66DC5E37@rogers.com> Hi All Is there any rules of thumb for using S glass? How does one decide on the number of layer or the weight of the cloth chosen? This is a general question and yes i have the plans. Darren ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 07:44:04 +0000 To: The Pond Family , KRNet From: Stuart Deal Subject: Re: KR> rules of thumbs for S glass? Message-ID: <3C1EF3C4.B40C1383@sonic.net> The main gross rule is "45 degrees". Most of the applicatons of cross woven (bidirectional) glass on wing and fuselage provide their strength from a 45 degree slant from the line of the main structure. The second is practice on something you won't fly. The 3 P's: preparation, planning and patience. The rule of index finger is use the thickness and direction of fiber that gets you the shear, compression and tension strength that you need and stop before it gets heavy. Stuart The Pond Family wrote: > > Hi All > Is there any rules of thumb for using S glass? How does one decide on > the number of layer or the weight of the cloth chosen? This is a general > question and yes i have the plans. > Darren > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , or "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . > AOL and Compuserve do NOT pass KRNet email, so use some other system! ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************