From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 9 Jan 2002 13:05:25 -0000 Issue 354 Date: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 5:05 AM krnet Digest 9 Jan 2002 13:05:25 -0000 Issue 354 Topics (messages 8362 through 8383): Re: Motor Mount Attachment 8362 by: Mark Jones Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... 8363 by: Oscar Zuniga 8364 by: Mark Langford 8365 by: Mike Mims 8367 by: Mark Langford 8368 by: Jim Sellars 8369 by: Mike Mims Re: shopping for project 8366 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: KR accident in South Africa? 8370 by: Carlton Re: Subject: Kr1 8371 by: Jim Faughn kr2 for sale 8372 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com Foam Billets etc 8373 by: Peter Johnson Vinylester Resin/ Australia 8374 by: Phillip Matheson Re: Removing the rear spar? 8375 by: Leo & Gail Dondlinger pitch change 8376 by: René Lemelin 8378 by: Donald Reid 8379 by: Robert X. Cringely elevator thougts 8377 by: Hafsteinn Jónasson 8380 by: Daniel Heath RE-PROPS 8381 by: Jerry Mahurin Re: First Flip in A KR!!! 8382 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) Re: photo 8383 by: René Lemelin Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 06:49:46 -0600 To: Jim Morehead , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: KR> Motor Mount Attachment Message-ID: <3C399968.677BE2BD@execpc.com> Jim, Just to clarify things a bit, the Rand Robinson plans do call for the aluminum angle across the upper mounts to distribute the engine load to the cross brace. Mark Jones Jim Morehead wrote: > Netters, > When attaching the motor mount to the KR2 firewall the RR plan book > says ³to use aluminum backup plates behind the 5/8 x 3 inch spruce.² I¹m > using the Diehl tri-gear, will it be strong enough to just to use another > aluminum plate behind the tri-gear mount or should there be an aluminum > angle across the bottom attach points? > > Happy New Year to All, > Jim Morehead > Cameron Park, CA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2002 14:20:16 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... Message-ID: Peter asked: >Instead of cutting up the tail feathers at each hinge point to >gain access to the hinge bolts, why not use one, long hinge pin >to go through all the hinge points? >Thoughts...?? Great idea. I have seen the cutout access holes at each hinge and wondered about a way to do that differently, and your idea sounds workable. I suspect you will get some "if you lose that one pin, you lose it all" and "it adds weight" type of responses, but the same goes for lots of things on our airplanes, doesn't it? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:17:29 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... Message-ID: <001401c1978e$6cc38e30$5f0ca58c@mlangford> > >Instead of cutting up the tail feathers at each hinge point to > >gain access to the hinge bolts, why not use one, long hinge pin > >to go through all the hinge points? My rudder's done that way, and I'd have done my elevators that way if I'd thought of it at the time. I didn't invent it, but I saw it somewhere and copied it. I used Oil*te bushings in the aluminum hinges, and a 36" long 3/16" diameter 4130 pointed pin that I got from the local machine supply place (Precision Machinery Supply). I'll weld a tab on the top to keep it from falling out, and screw it into the plywood sanding template that remains so it won't fall out when the plane's upside down with full rudder uncovering it. With that Corvair up front, that extra few ounces of steel back there in the tail was a welcome addition... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 10:41:43 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... Message-ID: <20020107184143.66140.qmail@web10803.mail.yahoo.com> --0-476899547-1010428903=:65528 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii <> Hummm I wonder where you saw that? --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. --0-476899547-1010428903=:65528-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:20:31 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... Message-ID: <002401c197b0$609f3790$5f0ca58c@mlangford> > Hummm I wonder where you saw that? It couldn't have been on YOUR plane. I've never been there, remember? That's not me in that picture of the SkyPig, honest! It's a fraud, a fake, I tell you! It's been airbrushed! Besides, I never had a beard anyway. (Sorry, you'd have to have been there for this to make any sense). Hey, I never said I was a genius, but I'm smart enough to copy the good ideas, and stay away from the bad ones. I just don't remember where they all came from... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:50:08 -0400 To: "Mark Langford" , From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... Message-ID: <008401c197bc$e7bfb130$0100a8c0@LAPTOP> Both you guys need a round of applause for all the great contributions you have made over the while. I'm convinced that the Sky Pig would have been the beginning of something big! Ha Ha great work gang. Regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: Re: KR> Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... > > Hummm I wonder where you saw that? > > It couldn't have been on YOUR plane. I've never been there, remember? > That's not me in that picture of the SkyPig, honest! It's a fraud, a fake, > I tell you! It's been airbrushed! Besides, I never had a beard anyway. > (Sorry, you'd have to have been there for this to make any sense). > > Hey, I never said I was a genius, but I'm smart enough to copy the good > ideas, and stay away from the bad ones. I just don't remember where they > all came from... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:18:11 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... Message-ID: <20020107211811.72382.qmail@web10807.mail.yahoo.com> --0-109169354-1010438291=:70148 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii There will be a SPII.....I Promise! Jim Sellars wrote: Both you guys need a round of applause for all the great contributions you have made over the while. I'm convinced that the Sky Pig would have been the beginning of something big! Ha Ha great work gang. Regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Monday, January 07, 2002 3:20 PM Subject: Re: KR> Tail Feather Hinge Pin Idea... > > Hummm I wonder where you saw that? > > It couldn't have been on YOUR plane. I've never been there, remember? > That's not me in that picture of the SkyPig, honest! It's a fraud, a fake, > I tell you! It's been airbrushed! Besides, I never had a beard anyway. > (Sorry, you'd have to have been there for this to make any sense). > > Hey, I never said I was a genius, but I'm smart enough to copy the good > ideas, and stay away from the bad ones. I just don't remember where they > all came from... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. --0-109169354-1010438291=:70148-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 13:02:04 -0500 To: Flibuoy@aol.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> shopping for project Message-ID: <20020107.141218.-256415.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Try the K R Newsletter, Virg On Fri, 4 Jan 2002 01:23:45 EST Flibuoy@aol.com writes: > I am hoping to find a project KR2/KR2S....VW powered if at all...does > anyone > have a lead. I am in Houston, would like to find within 300 miles or > so...john > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 23:50:37 -0000 To: "Serge VIDAL" , From: "Carlton" Subject: Re: KR> KR accident in South Africa? Message-ID: <002801c1970c$f894fd40$1758ef9b@telkomsa.net> The KR in question is fitted with standard retracts. Pilot with instructor lost directional control and ground looped. One retract parted the spring bar and exited top of the left stub wing. The other folded under the belly. The prop and cowling were also damaged. The KR belongs to Derek (not sure on surname) ZS-VNL, I believe he has already repaired it. Carlton ----- Original Message ----- From: Serge VIDAL To: Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 3:40 PM Subject: Fw: KR> KR accident in South Africa? > I would really like to know which type of undercarriage that KR had. > > Serge > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David R. Christensen > To: krnet mailing lists > Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2002 4:41 PM > Subject: Fw: KR> KR accident in South Africa? > > > > I had a similar occurrance with my KR-2 during a ground loop off the > runway, > > over the shoulder and down onto a flat area. When the wheels hit the flat > > ground the gear latch levers tore through the extrusions on the springbar > > and the gear collapsed. The KR then slid to a stop in a short distance. > I > > think the gear collapse saved the plane and possibly the pilot. I had it > > flying again in a couple of weeks, good as new. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Serge VIDAL > > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > > Date: Thursday, January 03, 2002 2:13 AM > > Subject: KR> KR accident in South Africa? > > > > > > I read my NOTAMs, for a change, and saw that a KR2 accident has been > > reported here in South Africa, at Baragwanath airfield. The report > mentions > > undercarriage collapse following an off-runway ground strike. Could > anybody > > tell us more about it? > > > > Serge VIDAL > > KR2 ZS-WEC > > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 16:51:45 -0600 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: Re: Subject: Kr1 Message-ID: I don't have a KR1 but I do have a 2. I use 60 mph as rotation speed solo and 65 dual. My stall speed solo was under 45mph. I agree with the person previously that said don't trust airspeed indicators. ------- And this is for any KR1 pilots what is an ideal rotation speed for takeoff. Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 19:15:25 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: kr2 for sale Message-ID: <83.14f98875.296b941d@cs.com> --part1_83.14f98875.296b941d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on barn stormers .kr for sale 0200 $5800 with photo mac --part1_83.14f98875.296b941d_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 18:23:14 -0800 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: Foam Billets etc Message-ID: <008a01c197eb$a66489c0$12a5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C197A8.5F075320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This note is for everyone who's asked about the source of the styrofoam = dock billets I'm using. I purchased my billet from the local Home Hardware/Beaver store. Kenora = is located on Lake of the Woods and so there's a great need for dock = products here. If you can't find the billets at your local hardware = store try calling a marina and ask them for a source. Another good source for foam is under 'foam' or 'plastic' in the yellow = pages. There are places in larger centers that 'manufacture' foams and = the size and amount that we need can sometimes be had for little if you = search through their scrap piles. If not, these shops will pour up what = ever you might need at a good price in either polystyrene or urethane. = The price of foam is jacked up by a lot by shipping costs alone. Here's = an idea; make up female forms that match the wing panels, take them to = one of these shops and get them to pour the foam directly into your = mold! =20 Another source of urethane foam is commercial and industrial insulation = shops, talk nice to them and they might save some scraps for you. I got = the foam for my tail feathers and cockpit interior from such a place. The cost of the 20" x 10" x 8' billet of 2 lb density blue dock foam I = bought last February was $80.49 retail and includes the 15% tax we all = so lovingly give to our glorious elected officials. From this you can = figure out if the billet is a good price or not. Hope this helps somebody out. If anyone would like to chat more, drop = me a line directly. mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01C197A8.5F075320-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:33:41 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Vinylester Resin/ Australia Message-ID: <01a001c197fd$a9b647a0$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_019D_01C19859.DA5E29C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone in Australia interestered Aircraft Spruce advised me to get=20 Derakane Vinyl Resin from FGI (F/Glass International) NSW FGI 02 9937222 Vic FGI 03 9937222 A$61.99 with Catalyst. ( $10 ? Freight) This is for the mouldered Wings on the KR2 as per Diehl. USA Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_019D_01C19859.DA5E29C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 23:03:58 -0800 To: From: "Leo & Gail Dondlinger" Subject: Re: KR> Removing the rear spar? Message-ID: <00c801c19812$a4f382e0$b3b2e50c@dondlinger1> I also have just a tip or two on removing the rear spar. A netter wrote me to use a "Jap" saw. A very thin pull type saw. The blade is very flexible and will saw a very narrow kerf. They are a little wide and so difficult to get started. Once you get it in the saw will cut out the rear spar in minutes. As Ross stated Chisel out the 5/8 gussets. Have a very sharp chisel and clean the surface as best as possible to get the blade close. The next thing I did was get a very narrow putty knife about and inch and hammered it through the joint so I could start the saw blade. (Sharpen the putty knife)If you do use a Hack saw blade run one side of the blade along a grinding wheel. This will remove the set on one side and keep it from ruining your Plywood. The other side still has set and will give you a little clearance and doesn't hurt the spar side if you go slow and straight. Of course the Japanese Pull type saw cuts much smoother and can be bought at Lowes for about $12.00. It is also handy for many other cutting jobs once you have one... You could also use this method to remove stabilizers. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 10:37:19 -0500 To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Lemelin?= Cc: Subject: pitch change Message-ID: <002601c1985a$7652c8e0$37a1fdcf@oemcomputer> I all. Does someone know how to remove some pitch on a wood prop? We have a Sterba 52X58, yes yes 58, and the top rpm inflight reaches 3050. climb at 1000fpm at 860lbs top speed 167mph (not retract yet) but the engine is working too hard(hi temp.) New Canadian KR-2 C-GIQA Thank you. René Lemelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 15:11:16 -0500 To: From: Donald Reid Cc: Subject: Re: KR> pitch change Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020108150317.00a1e010@pop.erols.com> --=====================_8261293==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >Does someone know how to remove some >pitch on a wood prop? >We have a Sterba 52X58, yes yes 58, and >the top rpm inflight reaches 3050. >climb at 1000fpm at 860lbs top speed 167mph (not retract yet) > >but the engine is working too hard(hi temp.) >New Canadian KR-2 C-GIQA >Thank you. >Ren=E9 Lemelin The numbers don't sound all that bad, but someone flying a VW sound have a= =20 better idea. You can try to get more cooling air into your engine and/or use the air=20 that you have properly. Seal all gaps, check baffle clearances, more air=20 to the oil cooler (add an oil cooler), etc. You can send the prop back to Sterba and they would "flatten" the bottom=20 surface a little. You can also cut a small amount off of each tip (make it= =20 a little bit shorter), then re-balance the prop. A half-inch from each tip= =20 will add approximately 75-100 rpm, Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_8261293==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 13:15:52 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Robert X. Cringely" Subject: Re: KR> pitch change Message-Id: DON'T TOUCH THAT PROP!!! Those numbers actually look pretty good. You may want to repitch later, but right now there are much better ways to get your temps down. =46irst, what are the temps (oil and CHT)? Maybe they aren't as high as you think. Are you using an oil cooler? Do you have a spin-on oil filter? If not, get both. What is the condition of your engine baffles? If they don't seal very, very well you will have overheating problems no matter what your prop pitch. How big are your cooling air inlets and outlets? Did you make an attempt to build a diverging inlet and a converging outlet? If the outlet air is running out the bottom around that sharp lower corner of the firewall, try making a rounded aluminumpiece down there to smooth the flow around the corner. If all else fails, build a moveable cowl flap. If that doesn't work THEN repitch the prop. Bob >I all. > >Does someone know how to remove some >pitch on a wood prop? >We have a Sterba 52X58, yes yes 58, and >the top rpm inflight reaches 3050. >climb at 1000fpm at 860lbs top speed 167mph (not retract yet) > >but the engine is working too hard(hi temp.) >New Canadian KR-2 C-GIQA >Thank you. >Ren=E9 Lemelin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 17:07:01 -0000 To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hafsteinn_J=F3nasson?= Subject: elevator thougts Message-ID: <032801c19867$08d33f40$29dd1ed4@c0g3t9> ------=_NextPart_000_0325_01C19866.E3DBBF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi netters I'm getting to the point to take decisions about if balancing my = elevator or not. OK, one of my main goals in my KR-2S is to keep it = light but is it worth the risk not balancing it? I did build it like = Mark L has done on his bird, lengthened it 6" each way and used the = templates I got from him. Therefore I have much thicker spars than plans = version and the elevator/stabilizer is (I think!) strong enough to be = fitted with balance tabs on tips. Are there any known accidents that = have happened because of flutter? --- Hafsteinn J=F3nasson, Iceland. hafstj@li.is ------=_NextPart_000_0325_01C19866.E3DBBF00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 18:07:17 -0500 To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hafsteinn_J=F3nasson?= , From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> elevator thougts Message-ID: <004201c19899$38be0500$a02c5d0c@scana.com> I have never heard of any accidents due to elevator flutter, but that would be hard to know because they really don't investigate accidents involving Experimental aircraft, very thoroughly. I also have never seen, while I know they are out there, with balanced elevator. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hafsteinn Jónasson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: KR> elevator thougts hi netters I'm getting to the point to take decisions about if balancing my elevator or not. OK, one of my main goals in my KR-2S is to keep it light but is it worth the risk not balancing it? I did build it like Mark L has done on his bird, lengthened it 6" each way and used the templates I got from him. Therefore I have much thicker spars than plans version and the elevator/stabilizer is (I think!) strong enough to be fitted with balance tabs on tips. Are there any known accidents that have happened because of flutter? --- Hafsteinn Jónasson, Iceland. hafstj@li.is ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2002 19:39:06 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: RE-PROPS Message-ID: --_===1029075====dc-mxdb03.cluster1.charter.net===_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Netters, Picked this up off the Hummelbird net..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC --- the forwarded message follows --- --_===1029075====dc-mxdb03.cluster1.charter.net===_ Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Received: from n3.groups.yahoo.com ([216.115.96.53] verified) by dc-mx04.cluster1.charter.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.4.6) with SMTP id 4924273 for jerrymahurin@charter.net; Mon, 07 Jan 2002 15:30:14 -0500 X-eGroups-Return: sentto-1214982-2410-1010435031-jerrymahurin=charter.net@returns.groups.yahoo.com Received: from [216.115.97.189] by n3.groups.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2002 20:23:51 -0000 X-Sender: LisaFly99@aol.com X-Apparently-To: hummel@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_1_3); 7 Jan 2002 20:23:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 59093 invoked from network); 7 Jan 2002 20:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (216.115.97.172) by m3.grp.snv.yahoo.com with QMQP; 7 Jan 2002 20:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO imo-m03.mx.aol.com) (64.12.136.6) by mta2.grp.snv.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jan 2002 20:23:51 -0000 Received: from LisaFly99@aol.com by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id r.47.162884c5 (2168) for ; Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:23:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <47.162884c5.296b5dd0@aol.com> To: hummel@yahoogroups.com X-Mailer: AOL 7.0 for Windows US sub 118 From: lisafly99@aol.com X-Yahoo-Profile: n414d MIME-Version: 1.0 Mailing-List: list hummel@yahoogroups.com; contact hummel-owner@yahoogroups.com Delivered-To: mailing list hummel@yahoogroups.com Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2002 15:23:44 EST Subject: [hummel] RE-PROPS Reply-To: hummel@yahoogroups.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI (this is a cross post from the airsoob group) Richard McCall wrote: > > Got an expensive prop that you'd like to have a extra > of "just in case", but don't want to lay out the heavy > bucks to buy a second one? > > I found a source to duplicate wooden props for $125 > each! The $125 covers the cost of the stock wood and > materials. One of the local EAA guys here in Dallas > just built an industrial prop duplicator and he needs > to build up his prop patterns. > > So he came up with the idea of duplicating any wooden > prop he doesn't have for basically the cost of > materials and turning the prop around in a matter of a > few days. Les says, this way he will be able to build > up the prop patterns he doesn't have and the prop > owner gets a very inexpense duplicate of his prop. > > The prop is never used other than to be put on an > industrial sized duplicating machine, cut and sent > back to the owner with the duplicate prop without a > mark. Thats because he uses a 6" plastic circle as a > tracing device on the original prop. The duplicate > is carved next to the original, then sanded and > finished. What you get is a brand new finished > duplicate of your original prop and the original back. > Les makes a second duplicate before finishing with the > original prop ... this one goes in to his stack of > pattern props. Once he has a copy of all of the most > popular wooden props, he can make any prop he anyone > wants for a lot less than you could buy a new prop > for. > > Les asked me to put this out and see if anyone is > interested. If there is a lot of response, Les will > be able to build his patterns up rather quickly. That > also means I can obtain test props from his patterns > to test my planetary redrive without having to borrow > someone's prop and taking a chance of it getting > damaged and having to replace an expensive prop. > > Having built airplanes and props for a number of > years, Les mentioned that one of the major problems in > building your own aircraft is that you wind up going > through 3-4 props before you find the one that works > well for you and these things can get expense. > However, if you had a way to duplicate the one that > worked well without having to pay full price for > another prop, then you wouldn't worry so much about > rocks and loose stuff on the runway everytime you > wanted to go fly. > > If you think this is for you, give Les Palmer a call > at (72) 241-4387 and talk to him. If you have any > concerns about Les, I can tell you he is a straight up > honest guy and there is no need to worry. I've known > him since 1994 and I'd take his word over any written > contract any day of the week and twice on Sunday ... > (as a matter of fact I do do that quit often). > > If you can't use this offer, pass it on to someone who > can. Add this message to the thread that ran on props. > Last time I checked, you couldn't even get a wall > ornament Propeller for that price!!! > > Rich > > ===== > Richard McCall > Trophy Club, TX > KR2SXL Builder w/Subaru 2.2L > planecrafter76262@yahoo.com > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> Tiny Wireless Camera under $80! Order Now! FREE VCR Commander! Click Here - Only 1 Day Left! http://us.click.yahoo.com/WoOlbB/7.PDAA/ySSFAA/X1EolB/TM ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --_===1029075====dc-mxdb03.cluster1.charter.net===_-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:18:35 +0200 To: krnet mailing lists From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> First Flip in A KR!!! Message-ID: Hello Netters For those of you who have been fortunate enough to fly both the KR-2 and the KR-2S, is there a remarkable difference in the pitch responsiveness of the two craft? Thanks Danny Livingstone Sasolburg South Africa ********************************************************************** This e-mail and its attachments, if any, are intended only for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, or both. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are strictly prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this email and its attachments, if any. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail, its attachments, and any printed copies of any of them. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 08:05:57 -0500 To: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Lemelin?= Cc: Subject: Re: photo Message-ID: <000d01c1990e$874dcfa0$2da1fdcf@oemcomputer> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yves Lemelin" To: "René Lemelin" Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2002 7:56 AM Subject: photo > ed sterba a ecrit que ca lui avait couté 20.00 la derniere fois qu'il a > recu une helice du Canada. il ma pas dit comment ca coute, il ma dit > envoye l'helice avec le rpm voulu.. That's our KR with the 52X58 Sterba prop I hope you will receive the pictures. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************