From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 15 Jan 2002 18:53:58 -0000 Issue 357 Date: Tuesday, January 15, 2002 10:54 AM krnet Digest 15 Jan 2002 18:53:58 -0000 Issue 357 Topics (messages 8433 through 8458): Re: epoxy 8433 by: Robert Stone 8438 by: Leo & Gail Dondlinger 8443 by: Ron Eason 8445 by: brickeyd 8446 by: Edwin Blocher 8447 by: Jim Covington Photo of the week. 8434 by: Mark Jones 8437 by: Robert Stone 8452 by: Daniel Heath Dead spark plug 8435 by: dene.collett 8436 by: larry flesner 8442 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien 8444 by: Jan Laan Aint broke wont fix 8439 by: Sean Clay Re: corvaircraft: Photo of the week. 8440 by: Mark Jones Australian SAAA Flyin Mangalore 8441 by: Phillip Matheson Re: elevator thougts 8448 by: Jerry Morris 8449 by: flykrs.netscape.net 8450 by: Rinaldo M. Faria - iG Control flutter film? 8451 by: Jerry Morris Re: kr>sun-n-fun 8453 by: Daniel Heath Re: elevator thoughts 8454 by: Philip J. Visconti 8456 by: Daniel Heath Fayettville NC 8455 by: Pat Driscoll kr sun and fun 8457 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com turtle deck pictures 8458 by: dene.collett Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 10:36:23 -0600 To: "Mike" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> epoxy Message-ID: <003f01c19c50$70eecee0$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Make: Lynn is right about it being the slivers of glass causing your itch, the best way I found to eliminate this problem is, after doing a lot of work, sanding, etc, take a shower just as soon as you are finished working. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 10:50 PM Subject: KR> epoxy Anyone know what the symptoms of epoxy allergy is, and can the dust cause trouble? ( like itching) I did some sanding ( lots) and i never had any trouble b4 but tonight , ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH ! I am itchin like crazy ! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:15:34 -0800 To: From: "Leo & Gail Dondlinger" Subject: Re: KR> epoxy Message-ID: <006601c19c7f$d230d5c0$b3b2e50c@dondlinger1> The cause is probably the glass but be careful be so careful you feel silly and like you are over doing it. My wife is an allergist in Tukwilla, WA. and since epoxy is easier to develop a reaction too than some of the other resins, be careful. Once you experience symptoms it is usually too late. You don't want that. The stuff is every where... Your life would be changed. I should talk of course, I do many things without out enough protection.... I don't want this to be a scare mail, but it is very serious. And we tend to blow safety off usually. Take care Leo Or Gail Dondlinger leodon1@attbi.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 22:23:51 -0600 To: "Lynn Hyder" , , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> epoxy Message-ID: <005101c19cb3$4755aa00$d6601e41@Administration> Try not to sand into the fiberglass in the first place. Wash often and ware long sleeves. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Hyder" To: ; Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 12:21 AM Subject: Re: KR> epoxy > Mike, I found it wasn't the epoxy so much as it was the glass particals > injecting it into my skin. It will pass in a few hours. You can cover up so > you don't get so much on you. What ever you do wear a mask so you don't > inhale the stuff. Lynn Hyder N37LH > > > >From: "Mike" > >To: > >Subject: KR> epoxy > >Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 23:50:03 -0500 > > > >Anyone know what the symptoms of epoxy allergy is, and can the dust cause > >trouble? ( like itching) I did some sanding ( lots) and i never had any > >trouble b4 but tonight , ARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHH ! I am itchin like crazy ! > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:14:54 -0800 To: From: "brickeyd" Subject: re: epoxy Message-ID: <001901c19cd3$8d4004a0$43c16142@dean> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19C90.7E1036A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have kept quiet while I built my "boat" however, if it is the glass, = when it comes to glass, you DO want to shower after sanding, whether you = think you sanded though it or not. The "main" point is, make your = shower as cold as you can stand, then turn it down a few degrees, "rinse = off", "then" take your nice warm shower. Your pours will close up, so = you don't get glass fibers in them, they will go down the drain. I = learned that 20 years ago when I worked at a fiberglass plant, so far so = good, and I have worked continuously with composites since then. Just = what I learned, and it seems to work.=20 brickeyd@as.net ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C19C90.7E1036A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 08:36:50 -0600 To: "brickeyd" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> re: epoxy Message-ID: <006d01c19d08$e83d1160$6f9131cc@cyou.com> A trick I learned years ago from a guy that installed fiberglass insulation is to pour white vinegar on the body parts that were exposed, let it sit a couple of minutes and then shower. I'm not sure but I think it opens the pores and frees the glass from your skin. Ed Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: brickeyd To: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 2:14 AM Subject: KR> re: epoxy I have kept quiet while I built my "boat" however, if it is the glass, when it comes to glass, you DO want to shower after sanding, whether you think you sanded though it or not. The "main" point is, make your shower as cold as you can stand, then turn it down a few degrees, "rinse off", "then" take your nice warm shower. Your pours will close up, so you don't get glass fibers in them, they will go down the drain. I learned that 20 years ago when I worked at a fiberglass plant, so far so good, and I have worked continuously with composites since then. Just what I learned, and it seems to work. brickeyd@as.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 11:47:46 -0500 To: From: "Jim Covington" Subject: RE: KR> re: epoxy Message-ID: Two important things: 1) There are several barrier cream products available ('Gloves in a bottle' being just one) that you spread on your skin to form a barrier between you and the nasty stuff. No, it's not designed to protect you if you spill etching acid on your skin, but it does help with the dust and fibers from grinding if you have no other protection. http://www.glovesinabottle.com/ 2) Epoxy allergies are not to be messed with. Although it's the fibers from the glass that can cause the short-term itching, long term reactions to the hardeners can get quite severe and only get worse with each exposure. By the time you see the first symptoms, it may be too late. Don't screw around - wear full protection! Tyvek suits are an incredibly cheap price to pay for protection. They cost about $4/use and can be reused if cared for properly. One person may work years around epoxy without allergic reactions, one might react after just a year's exposure. And once you react, there's no going back. The danger is in exposure to the hardener. Don't forget that some epoxies that are hard enough to sand may not be fully cured. Grinding this partially cured epoxy will expose you to hardener in the form of dust, and that's bad. -----Original Message----- From: brickeyd [mailto:brickeyd@as.net] Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 03:15 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> re: epoxy I have kept quiet while I built my "boat" however, if it is the glass, when it comes to glass, you DO want to shower after sanding, whether you think you sanded though it or not. The "main" point is, make your shower as cold as you can stand, then turn it down a few degrees, "rinse off", "then" take your nice warm shower. Your pours will close up, so you don't get glass fibers in them, they will go down the drain. I learned that 20 years ago when I worked at a fiberglass plant, so far so good, and I have worked continuously with composites since then. Just what I learned, and it seems to work. brickeyd@as.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:33:12 -0600 To: CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Photo of the week. Message-ID: <3C41C4D7.86C3206B@execpc.com> My first photo of the week is now on my web site. I will post a new one every Sunday. http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html This will show my progress on a weekly basis. Hope you enjoy them. -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:25:28 -0600 To: "Mark Jones" , "CorvAIRCRAFT" , "KR-Net" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> Photo of the week. Message-ID: <000a01c19c70$72ab8c80$ebd8fea9@pavilion> Mark: It looks good so far. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rlspjs@dashlink.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "CorvAIRCRAFT" ; "KR-Net" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:33 AM Subject: KR> Photo of the week. > My first photo of the week is now on my web site. I will post a new one > every Sunday. > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > This will show my progress on a weekly basis. Hope you enjoy them. > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:43:04 -0500 To: "CorvAIRCRAFT" , "KR-Net" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> Photo of the week. Message-ID: <004f01c19d65$fa1459e0$1c2d5d0c@scana.com> Mark, Looks real good. I am amazed at how good a Dragonfly looks on a KR and how bad a KR looks on a KR. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Stone" To: "Mark Jones" ; "CorvAIRCRAFT" ; "KR-Net" Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 3:25 PM Subject: Re: KR> Photo of the week. > Mark: It looks good so far. > > Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx > rlspjs@dashlink.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Jones" > To: "CorvAIRCRAFT" ; "KR-Net" > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2002 11:33 AM > Subject: KR> Photo of the week. > > > > My first photo of the week is now on my web site. I will post a new one > > every Sunday. > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > This will show my progress on a weekly basis. Hope you enjoy them. > > -- > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:55:54 +0200 To: "Krnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: Dead spark plug Message-ID: <000001c19c65$0fdf31c0$7b94cba3@dean> Hi Guys/ladies I had an experience today that made me re-consider the case for dual spark plugs. While mowing my lawn (single cylinder 5hp two stroke mower) today, the mower gave a few misses and just died. I immediately thought that it was just a piece of carbon stuck between the two electrodes shorting it out. I removed the plug to find it quite clean and carbon free. My second guess was that the coil had packed up so I tried another plug to make sure. Sure enough the plug sparked normally. How can a plug just die like this? No amount of cleaning would bring it back to life again. My first thought was what would have happened if this plug had been one of the four/six pulling me through the sky? It sure made me rekindle thoughts of dual ign and dual plugs. Any thoughts on how this happens to a spark plug. Dene Collett South Africa mailto: dene.collett@freemail.absa.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 14:06:18 -0600 To: "Krnet" From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Dead spark plug Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020113140618.0088d100@mail.midwest.net> >I had an experience today that made me re-consider the case for dual spark >plugs. While mowing my lawn (single cylinder 5hp two stroke mower) today, >the mower gave a few misses and just died. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++ Dene, I think the key words here are "two stroke" . Years ago I put 10,000 miles on a motor cycle with a two stroke engine in just eleven months. I found the spark plugs were the most unreliable part in the machine. If I would advance the throttle to quickly after a cold start the plugs would foul and the engine would not start again until the plugs were removed and cleaned. Occasionally, even a cleaning would not bring the plug back to life. I always carried a few extra new ones. I didn't understand it then and still haven't figured it out. A member of our EAA chapter built a Challenger II with a Rotax 503 (?) and had a problem with EGT on one cylinder being 100 degrees F more than the other. They checked / adjusted everything including switching the carb's between cylinders. Finally they switched the plugs from one cylinder to the other and the symptom switched. They replaced them both with new plugs at that point and got rid of the problem. I don't know why two cycle engines are harder on plugs unless it is the less clean (more oil) fuel mixture. Other than that I haven't a clue. The guys that fly the two cycles a lot have generally experianced several off airport landings. I can see the two cycle buffs going for their torches already so to quench the flame a bit I'd say that if they are maintained and operated properly they can be quite reliable. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 20:24:11 -0800 To: larry flesner ,"Krnet" From: Tracy & Carol O'Brien Subject: Re: KR> Dead spark plug Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020113202411.007fb6f0@localaccess.com> At 02:06 PM 01/13/2002 -0600, larry flesner wrote: > >>I had an experience today that made me re-consider the case for dual spark >>plugs. While mowing my lawn (single cylinder 5hp two stroke mower) today, >>the mower gave a few misses and just died. I have a British Seagull 3.5hp outboard motor: It will foul its plug in an average of about 2 hours of running, day in and day out. You carry a couple of spares and don't much worry about it. (With a clean plug and fresh gas the motor will also start in 2-3 pulls after setting a year.) In contrast, my wife's 1993 Ford has 139,000 totally trouble free miles on its original plugs! Regards, Tracy O'Brien ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 11:55:37 -0800 To: "dene.collett" , "Krnet" From: Jan Laan Subject: Re: KR> Dead spark plug Message-ID: <101095187401@smtp.vphos.net> This can happen when the insulator develops a crack. The moment it has cracked all the way through at only one location, you have a conduit for high voltage electricity, and the plug, while it may look like new, fails. At 08:55 PM 1/13/02 +0200, dene.collett wrote: >Hi Guys/ladies > >I had an experience today that made me re-consider the case for dual spark >plugs. While mowing my lawn (single cylinder 5hp two stroke mower) today, >the mower gave a few misses and just died. I immediately thought that it was >just a piece of carbon stuck between the two electrodes shorting it out. I >removed the plug to find it quite clean and carbon free. My second guess was >that the coil had packed up so I tried another plug to make sure. Sure >enough the plug sparked normally. > >How can a plug just die like this? No amount of cleaning would bring it back >to life again. My first thought was what would have happened if this plug >had been one of the four/six pulling me through the sky? It sure made me >rekindle thoughts of dual ign and dual plugs. > >Any thoughts on how this happens to a spark plug. >Dene Collett >South Africa >mailto: dene.collett@freemail.absa.co.za > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 18:10:02 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Sean Clay" Subject: Aint broke wont fix Message-ID: Well the posa carb on my KR1 after I pulled the needle cleaned it and readjusted is renning great at idle and full power. I have 5 hours of taki work so far. I have to fix the throttle control it keeps binding and then I am ready to fly as soon as my guts catch up with me : )Thanks everyone _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 21:04:43 -0600 To: corvaircraft@usm.edu, KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Re: corvaircraft: Photo of the week. Message-ID: <3C424ACB.2C978F07@execpc.com> William, My project began March 21, 1998 which is the day the wood kits arrived. So I have been at it for 3 years 10 months. When I started I had a new baby of 5 months old. I now have two boys and another baby due here in August. I bought a twelve year old house in 2000, moved in and totally remodeled it. During which I have managed to stay happily married. Even though my wife still is not sold on my building a plane, she has tolerated it. My excuse is "at least your husband is at home working on his plane and not out in a bar like a lot of women's husbands are!!!" This always makes her quit complaining. And yes today I rearranged the garage to get her car in so it would not be covered with three inches of snow in the morning when we get up. Anyway, I have countless hours of build time invested. I say countless because I have not counted them. Financially, to date I have invested $2097.12 in my Corvair engine and $7,977.32 in the plane for a grand total of $10,074.44 which includes all major components. Not bad for a fast two seater. Mark Jones WilliamTCA@aol.com wrote: > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > Mark, > > This is fantastic progress, congratulations. I believe that when your plane > is done it will be a very good yardstick to measure projects by. > > By this I mean that many people would find the balance of time, money and > performance that describes your plane to be in the same ballpark that they > are looking for. While many of us are building a specific plane like a Piet > or a Dragonfly or something unique like Mark Langfords bird, maybe 30 or 40% > of my customers are just interested in 2 place side by side with reasonably > good performance. When these people decide what they want to build many of > them will surely opt for a bird much like yours. > > Can you tell us roughly how much money you have in your project to date? How > many years and months you have been on it? I consider it great progress > because you moved, have kids, and your still happily married. (all these > things slow progress, but make life worth while) > > Thanks William > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe corvaircraft" to"majordomo@usm.edu" > For help send "info corvaircraft" or "help" to "majordomo@usm.edu" -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:32:29 +1100 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Australian SAAA Flyin Mangalore Message-ID: <005301c19cac$18eedda0$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C19D08.4B499FE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How many of you KR2 owners will be at Mangalore 30/31 and 1st April. 2002 I will be going and hope to see lots of KR2's. As yet I may only be driving. regards KR2 builder Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_0050_01C19D08.4B499FE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:22:50 -0700 To: KR-Net From: "Jerry Morris" Subject: Re: KR> elevator thougts Message-ID: <3C4313EA.701F582B@nsc.com> The faa has a very good film on flutter which I would strongly recommend to all eaa chapters for one of their meetings. It showed how Vne was set by a production aircraft manufacture. I was the most scary thing i have ever seen and i am not scared of anything. It was a high speed camera trained on the elevator, or maybe the stabalator, but the whole thing made such high displacement bending in two directions it looked impossible. I heard a story, I don't know if true or not, of a cessna 150 many years ago in oklahoma city, was reported as having departed with some frost on the wings and still in the pattern, on downwind witnesses reported it sounded like an explosion and the wing departed from the plane where the aileron started.. It was thought to be control flutter... I heard this story in a AOPA flight instructor refresher course. I would balance, but thats just me. jerry morris cfi ------------------------- From: Daniel Heath I have never heard of any accidents due to elevator flutter, but that would be hard to know because they really don't investigate accidents involving Experimental aircraft, very thoroughly. I also have never seen, while I know they are out there, with balanced elevator. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hafsteinn Jónasson" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:07 PM Subject: KR> elevator thougts hi netters I'm getting to the point to take decisions about if balancing my elevator or not. OK, one of my main goals in my KR-2S is to keep it light but is it worth the risk not balancing it? I did build it like Mark L has done on his bird, lengthened it 6" each way and used the templates I got from him. Therefore I have much thicker spars than plans version and the elevator/stabilizer is (I think!) strong enough to be fitted with balance tabs on tips. Are there any known accidents that have happened because of flutter? --- Hafsteinn Jónasson, Iceland. hafstj@li.is ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 15:34:59 -0500 To: Jerry.Morris@nsc.com ("Jerry Morris"), krnet@mailinglists.org (KR-Net) From: flykrs@netscape.net Subject: RE: Re: KR> elevator thougts Message-ID: <6D5E2E29.279C5A96.00062CFF@netscape.net> Buffet/Fatigue/flutter/Failure/fatality in early 1980's One of our flight test aircraft a Cessna 420 series evaluating Horizontal Stabilator failures. Like all of flight test aircraft had, this big climbing rope from cockpit to cabin door with large knots ties ever 2 feet, this Cessna was studying this mode of failure. The Prop Blast buffet frequency impulsing the stabilator aggrevated the problem. The Cessna Engineering dept. flight test pilots flew this aircraft to failure and sadly their deaths. We in the department were at a great loss but we all knew the risks. There is dangerous Vne reasons 'DON'T MESS WITH THINGS YOU DON"T FULLY UNDERSTANS" Best be careful! x-cessna engineer-flykrs "Jerry Morris" wrote: >The faa has a very good film on flutter which I would strongly recommend >to all eaa chapters for >one of their meetings. >It showed how Vne was set by a production aircraft manufacture. I was >the most scary thing i have ever seen >and i am not scared of anything. > >It was a high speed camera trained on the elevator, or maybe the >stabalator, but the whole thing made such >high displacement bending in two directions it looked impossible. > >I heard a story, I don't know if true or not, of a cessna 150 many >years ago in oklahoma city, was reported >as having departed with some frost on the wings and still in the >pattern, on downwind witnesses reported it >sounded like an explosion and the wing departed from the plane where the >aileron started.. It was thought to be >control flutter... I heard this story in a AOPA flight instructor >refresher course. > >I would balance, but thats just me. > >jerry morris >cfi > > > >------------------------- > > >From: Daniel Heath > >I have never heard of any accidents due to elevator flutter, but that >would >be hard to know because they really don't investigate accidents >involving >Experimental aircraft, very thoroughly. > >I also have never seen, while I know they are out there, with balanced >elevator. > >Daniel R. Heath > >WWW.EAA242.ORG > >See our KR2 at: > >www.JerryMahurin.com > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Hafsteinn Jónasson" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:07 PM >Subject: KR> elevator thougts > > >hi netters > >I'm getting to the point to take decisions about if balancing my >elevator or >not. OK, one of my main goals in my KR-2S is to keep it light but is it >worth the risk not balancing it? I did build it like Mark L has done on >his >bird, lengthened it 6" each way and used the templates I got from him. >Therefore I have much thicker spars than plans version and the >elevator/stabilizer is (I think!) strong enough to be fitted with >balance >tabs on tips. Are there any known accidents that have happened because >of >flutter? >--- >Hafsteinn Jónasson, Iceland. >hafstj@li.is > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > -- __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 18:56:20 -0300 To: From: "Rinaldo M. Faria - iG" Subject: Re: KR> elevator thougts Message-ID: <001501c19d46$4d3b7ba0$6401a8c0@cs2000> Jerry: Could tell me where can I get this film about the flutter (on elevator)? Best regards, --.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.-- Rinaldo M. Faria (Oracle Consultant & Network Support) Araçatuba/SP Brasil (Brazil) +55 18 3608-9372 res > 20:00 (home after 08:00 PM) +55 18 9706-6645 cell +55 18 624-2000 coml (business) rinaldofaria@ig.com.br --.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.--.-- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Morris" To: "KR-Net" Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 2:22 PM Subject: Re: KR> elevator thougts > The faa has a very good film on flutter which I would strongly recommend > to all eaa chapters for > one of their meetings. > It showed how Vne was set by a production aircraft manufacture. I was > the most scary thing i have ever seen > and i am not scared of anything. > > It was a high speed camera trained on the elevator, or maybe the > stabalator, but the whole thing made such > high displacement bending in two directions it looked impossible. > > I heard a story, I don't know if true or not, of a cessna 150 many > years ago in oklahoma city, was reported > as having departed with some frost on the wings and still in the > pattern, on downwind witnesses reported it > sounded like an explosion and the wing departed from the plane where the > aileron started.. It was thought to be > control flutter... I heard this story in a AOPA flight instructor > refresher course. > > I would balance, but thats just me. > > jerry morris > cfi > > > > ------------------------- > > > From: Daniel Heath > > I have never heard of any accidents due to elevator flutter, but that > would > be hard to know because they really don't investigate accidents > involving > Experimental aircraft, very thoroughly. > > I also have never seen, while I know they are out there, with balanced > elevator. > > Daniel R. Heath > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > See our KR2 at: > > www.JerryMahurin.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hafsteinn Jónasson" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2002 12:07 PM > Subject: KR> elevator thougts > > > hi netters > > I'm getting to the point to take decisions about if balancing my > elevator or > not. OK, one of my main goals in my KR-2S is to keep it light but is it > worth the risk not balancing it? I did build it like Mark L has done on > his > bird, lengthened it 6" each way and used the templates I got from him. > Therefore I have much thicker spars than plans version and the > elevator/stabilizer is (I think!) strong enough to be fitted with > balance > tabs on tips. Are there any known accidents that have happened because > of > flutter? > --- > Hafsteinn Jónasson, Iceland. > hafstj@li.is > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 14:29:35 -0700 To: "Rinaldo M. Faria - iG" , "krnet@mailinglists.org" From: "Jerry Morris" Subject: Control flutter film? Message-ID: <3C434DBF.517C8F6D@nsc.com> I knew someone would ask. I will try to search the web to find it. Maybe someone on the list has that info. Anyone? I saw it at an AOPA FIRC years ago. Maybe someone who has a current AOPA membership can check with them. My membership is in the mail. I will let the list know if I find it. jerry morris cfi "Rinaldo M. Faria - iG" wrote: > Jerry: > > Could tell me where can I get this film about the flutter (on elevator)? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 20:57:01 -0500 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> kr>sun-n-fun Message-ID: <011001c19d67$ed4cf300$1c2d5d0c@scana.com> You wanna see a KR, come to the gathering this year. Don't miss it. Drive, Bus, Plane, Train, hitch hike. Come any way you can. I gota feelin this is gonna be the grand daddy of them all. Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "ANTHONY SOLDANO" To: Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 12:31 AM Subject: KR> kr>sun-n-fun This might be a little pre mature.Sun-n-Fun is just three months away,I go every year and there are very few if any Kr's present.I haven't been able to get to the gatherings to see a kr in person so I look very hard at sun-n-fun for them.Without beating around the bush anymore,are any of you guys thinking of attending?and if so what days? Thanks Tony ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:38:22 -0500 To: Jerry.Morris@nsc.com From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> elevator thoughts Message-ID: <20020114.223822.-284735.0.viscan@juno.com> Dan, I've balanced my elevators the way Steve Alderman did his. Attached outer edges of elevator to horizontal stabilizer. Then cut edges and weighted with lead 'til balanced. Haven't flown yet but Steve has. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 06:15:15 -0500 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Re: KR> elevator thoughts Message-ID: <014601c19db5$e941f5a0$1c2d5d0c@scana.com> Was the balance material cut from the existing horizontal stabilizer, or did he add some to it? Daniel R. Heath WWW.EAA242.ORG See our KR2 at: www.JerryMahurin.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip J. Visconti" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 14, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: Re: KR> elevator thoughts > Dan, > > I've balanced my elevators the way Steve Alderman did his. Attached outer > edges of elevator to horizontal stabilizer. Then cut edges and weighted > with lead 'til balanced. Haven't flown yet but Steve has. Phil > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 22:21:33 -0600 To: "KR Net Mail" From: "Pat Driscoll" Subject: Fayettville NC Message-ID: <000e01c19d7c$1e7d05a0$c0db6843@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19D49.D2D607A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems to me that I saw a few postings to the net from someone in = Fayetteville NC. Would anyone there or near there, contact me off the = net? I am going to be in Fayetteville the last week of March and would = like to get a look at some projects. Thanks Pat Driscoll =20 patrick36@usfamily.net ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C19D49.D2D607A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2002 07:41:08 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: kr sun and fun Message-ID: <105.f7c7494.29757d64@cs.com> --part1_105.f7c7494.29757d64_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have found a high time Kr pilot that Is going his has more fuel and bigger power plaint but I am going to put my paints on and use my other prop to come out 150 cruse or so all so may try gap seals for this big flight .IM really starting to have fun with the Kr my home base is allways crosswind if its blowing meney time i have stayed on the ground due to this factor in the past month bite the bullet fire up line up go I can see WY so mene ground loops 12kts or so ihave full rudder input at times roll control is good easy to keep the wing down. yesterday I flew and went looking for turbulence Igot right under layer and spent hour doing this to over come it I was told last night just keep feet onthe floor and control roll that's what i was doing. OK came back to airport wind pick up to 18 kts xwind.enterd the down remembering all the good stuff Jim had sad in all the how to land a Kr OK ihave a lot of time training in the microligt so it was just like that almost 45 deg crab with a lot more speed don't get behide the aircraft think what your going to do. I turnd final used crab wing down no problem at all. I think the takeoff is the hard one .see yaa at sun and fun !!!! Mac --part1_105.f7c7494.29757d64_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2002 21:18:36 +0200 To: "Krnet" From: "dene.collett" Subject: turtle deck pictures Message-ID: <000801c19df6$042c1cc0$d295cba3@dean> Guys, those of you still wanting to see my turtle deck pictures can click below on the link to them---Thanks John. http://www.bouyea.net/members/denecollett/Default.htm Dene Collett South Afrrica ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************