From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 25 Feb 2002 16:31:22 -0000 Issue 382 Date: Monday, February 25, 2002 8:31 AM krnet Digest 25 Feb 2002 16:31:22 -0000 Issue 382 Topics (messages 9006 through 9026): Re: lavon viruses 9006 by: Frank Ross 9010 by: David R. Christensen 9024 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: flaps 9007 by: Ron Eason 9011 by: larry flesner 9013 by: Jerry Mahurin 9019 by: mike 9022 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Slips and flaps 9008 by: Frank Ross 9012 by: Jerry Mahurin 9025 by: virgnvs.juno.com Tripacers 9009 by: larry flesner 9023 by: virgnvs.juno.com slips in ground effect 9014 by: Flibuoy.aol.com Re: slips in ground effect....and nearly FREE BFRs.... 9015 by: Jerry Mahurin 9020 by: Ron Eason Aileron Weight 9016 by: Rick Human Canopy bow flex 9017 by: Dave and Tina Goodman 9021 by: Lynn Hyder I love tripacers too! 9018 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com What a KR can have you make! 9026 by: Serge F. VIDAL Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:54:46 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> lavon viruses Message-ID: <20020225015446.19657.qmail@web14006.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > Rick, > Now I'm worried about an E-mail I received > yesterday. It was from someone > that said he was in Germany and wanted info about > using KR2S as UL in > Europe. > However, he sent E-mail under subject heading: > "Re:KR>Old-guard for > sale". > Then he sent a second E-mail with an attachment but > no message. I did NOT > open the attachment. I deleted the E-mail. I guess > I'm paranoid, but I > stay away from attachments from unknown people. > > Mark, should I warn Herbert F. ? > > Phil Phil, I read the one from Germany and I think it was posted to all KRnet. It seemed harmless, and I've had no problems. I have been deleting ALL messages with attachments,and lately (including today) I have been getting krnet mail with attachments. Not sure how that is happening because I didn't think KRnet would send anything with attachments. Unfortunately, I have deleted them without opening them, so I can't tell you what they looked like. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 19:45:14 -0700 To: "krnet mailing lists" From: "David R. Christensen" Subject: Fw: KR> lavon viruses Message-ID: <001f01c1bda6$74918840$7ee16441@davec> Rick, The one I am familiar with is the badtrans virus. I understand you can get it by simply previewing a message. I now have my computer set so that I have to double click on a message to view it and I can delete one with a right click without viewing it. Before, it would automatically preview the last message received and I could not delete one without viewing it unless I did it within a block of messages. I remember getting a couple of messages that I inadvertently viewed that automatically launched the attachment. I discovered that I had been infected by the badtrans virus when I started getting a bunch of "undeliverable mail" messages indicating that the messages sent contained the virus. Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "RICK WILSON" To: Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: KR> lavon viruses > I GOT AN EMAIL FROM THIS LAVON LAVOYND WITH THE > SUBJECT OF RPM'S FOR CONT. 0200. THIS WAS A SUBJECT I > HAD ASKED ABOUT ON THE LIST IN THE PAST. IT MUST HOME > IN ON WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN INTERESTED IN IN THE PAST TO > TEMPT YOU INTO OPENING IT. CAN THE VIRUS AFFECT YOU IF > YOU DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENT? THANKS,RICK WILSON > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:04:59 -0500 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> lavon viruses Message-ID: <20020225.112324.-383945.4.virgnvs@juno.com> Please do not delete ny Pics, Virg On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:54:46 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross writes: > --- "Philip J. Visconti" wrote: > > Rick, > > Now I'm worried about an E-mail I received > > yesterday. It was from someone > > that said he was in Germany and wanted info about > > using KR2S as UL in > > Europe. > > However, he sent E-mail under subject heading: > > "Re:KR>Old-guard for > > sale". > > Then he sent a second E-mail with an attachment but > > no message. I did NOT > > open the attachment. I deleted the E-mail. I guess > > I'm paranoid, but I > > stay away from attachments from unknown people. > > > > Mark, should I warn Herbert F. ? > > > > Phil > > Phil, > I read the one from Germany and I think it was posted > to all KRnet. It seemed harmless, and I've had no > problems. I have been deleting ALL messages with > attachments,and lately (including today) I have been > getting krnet mail with attachments. Not sure how that > is happening because I didn't think KRnet would send > anything with attachments. Unfortunately, I have > deleted them without opening them, so I can't tell you > what they looked like. > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:19:08 -0600 To: "Tim Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> flaps Message-ID: <004101c1bda2$d2d635d0$4bdd1f41@Administration> I used a different approach, split flaps. You can see the brackets and some details at http://krron.freeyellow.com/ they were not finished at the time but if you are interested I will furnish some more pic's offline. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 8:52 PM Subject: KR> flaps > Enough already! My question was not flaps...to > be or not to be. My question was very simply a > request for a web site showing how someone did > "stock" flaps. > > I am following the manual and putting flaps on > the damn thing. I was looking at various web > pages several months ago and saw a really good > set of photos of how someone did it. > > I can read the manual. I can see the plans. I > simply was looking for "visual aids." I like to > see pictures of how others have interpreted the > manual/plans. > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games > http://sports.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:39:30 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> flaps Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020224203930.008d1a00@mail.midwest.net> >At 03:15 PM 2/24/02 -0500, virgnvs@jun > Whats the big deal about seeing over the nose ? >Land a cub,T6,Tcraft or whatever, you cannot see >foreward. Look at your side and see which way the >edge of the runway is going. If it is parallel to your >direction you are ok, Virg ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Yeaaaa, yeaaaa, and we used to get our milk directly from the cow, our eggs directly from the nest and burnt coal in the furnace in the old farm house!!! Come on you wimps !!!!! tee hee, couldn't resist. :) :) :) (all in fun Virg) Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:52:38 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: , From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> flaps Message-Id: <3C79D126.000004.22933@mahu4362> --------------Boundary-00=_QZQ2BHK0000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_QZQ26RO0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_QZQ26RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At least Virg and I know where those eggs and milk come from..... Some o= f the young 'uns think they come from the supermarket and that all airplane= s have flaps and nose wheels.......he he he.....(still all in fun) At leas= t now days we don't have to go to the hen house for the eggs or milk the co= w;=20 cause we got all them modern things......=0D =0D Hang in there guys and keep on....=0D =0D =0D =0D Jerry L. Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: larry flesner=0D Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 06:40:34 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: Re: KR> flaps=0D =0D >At 03:15 PM 2/24/02 -0500, virgnvs@jun=0D > Whats the big deal about seeing over the nose ?=0D >Land a cub,T6,Tcraft or whatever, you cannot see=0D >foreward. Look at your side and see which way the =0D >edge of the runway is going. If it is parallel to your=0D >direction you are ok, Virg=0D ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=0D =0D Yeaaaa, yeaaaa, and we used to get our milk directly from=0D the cow, our eggs directly from the nest and burnt coal=0D in the furnace in the old farm house!!! Come on you=0D wimps !!!!! tee hee, couldn't resist. :) :) :) =0D =0D (all in fun Virg)=0D =0D Larry Flesner=0D =0D =0D =0D ---------------------------------------------------------------------=0D To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"=0D =0D To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org =0D For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org=0D =0D See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ =0D =0D =2E --------------Boundary-00=_QZQ26RO0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0A
At least Virg and I know where those eggs and milk come=20 from.....  Some of the young 'uns think they come from the=20 supermarket and that all airplanes have flaps and nose wheels......= =2Ehe he=20 he.....(still all in fun)  At least now days we don't have to = go to=20 the hen house for the eggs or milk the cow; 'cause we got all them = modern=20 things......
 
Hang in there guys and keep on....
 
 
 
Jerry L. Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com
 
-------Original Message-------<= /I>
 
From: larry flesner
Date: Sunday= , February=20 24, 2002 06:40:34 PM
To: krnet@mailinglists.org
Subject: Re:= KR>=20 flaps
 
>At 03:15 PM 2/24/02 -0500, virgnvs@jun
>= Whats=20 the big deal about seeing over the nose ?
>Land a cub,T6,Tcra= ft or=20 whatever, you cannot see
>foreward. Look at your side and see= which=20 way the
>edge of the runway is going. If it is parallel to=20 your
>direction you are ok,=20 Virg
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= +

Yeaaaa,=20 yeaaaa, and we used to get our milk directly from
the cow, our e= ggs=20 directly from the nest and burnt coal
in the furnace in the old = farm=20 house!!! Come on you
wimps !!!!! tee hee, couldn't resist. :) :)= :)=20

(all in fun Virg)

Larry=20 Flesner



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  IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved -=20 Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_QZQ26RO0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_QZQ2BHK0000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 10:05:04 -0500 To: From: "mike" Subject: RE: FLAPS Message-ID: <00a701c1be0d$ceaa3cc0$6400a8c0@wolftreeinc.com> ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C1BDE3.E51B9320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I may as well get in on this one too. I am a "Cessna" flyer and am = building a KR-2S, was planning on no flaps due to the fact that when I = bought this project the stubs were closed and it has none (flaps), = however, if ya have them i guess they are nice and in the 150 i fly i = find myself using them most of the time. When i was getting my = instruction i was told this, " slips with flaps x-tented are prohibited = in this plane but i have been flyin for over 50 years and my experience = has been that if you dont do slips with over 20 deg then it is ok". So = these were the words of my primary instructor, he said the reason for = that is like some have said, the blocked out airflow over the tail by = the x-tended flap.=20 Back to My KR, if i am to build flaps in the already closed stubs i am = gonna have some control cable interference right? And if i used push = rods for aileron control will it eliminate the interference? =20 = Always learning,=20 = Mike ------=_NextPart_000_00A4_01C1BDE3.E51B9320-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:10:07 -0500 To: flesner@midwest.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> flaps Message-ID: <20020225.112324.-383945.6.virgnvs@juno.com> These guys probably use the ailerons to keep the wings level in a stall, NO NO. Virg On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:39:30 -0600 larry flesner writes: > >At 03:15 PM 2/24/02 -0500, virgnvs@jun > > Whats the big deal about seeing over the nose ? > >Land a cub,T6,Tcraft or whatever, you cannot see > >foreward. Look at your side and see which way the > >edge of the runway is going. If it is parallel to your > >direction you are ok, Virg > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Yeaaaa, yeaaaa, and we used to get our milk directly from > the cow, our eggs directly from the nest and burnt coal > in the furnace in the old farm house!!! Come on you > wimps !!!!! tee hee, couldn't resist. :) :) :) > > (all in fun Virg) > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:22:30 -0800 (PST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: RE: KR> Slips and flaps Message-ID: <20020225022230.18814.qmail@web14007.mail.yahoo.com> --- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" wrote: > Right, I think it's more pronounced on High wings > with REAL FLAPS. > > Ron Freiberger... Which brings up the possibility of putting a TOP wing on the KR... Where did that foxhole go... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:44:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: RE: KR> Slips and flaps Message-Id: <3C79CF3F.000001.22933@mahu4362> --------------Boundary-00=_7MQ2QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_8MQ2LVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_8MQ2LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There is always room in the ole foxhole for you Frank.....=0D =0D It is getting a little crowded tho.....=0D =0D =0D Jerry L. Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Frank Ross=0D Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 06:30:59 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: RE: KR> Slips and flaps=0D =0D --- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" <ron.martha@mindspring.com>=0D wrote:=0D > Right, I think it's more pronounced on High wings=0D > with REAL FLAPS.=0D > =0D > Ron Freiberger...=0D =0D =0D Which brings up the possibility of putting a TOP wing=0D on the KR...=0D Where did that foxhole go...=0D =0D =0D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=0D Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX,=0D =0D __________________________________________________=0D Do You Yahoo!?=0D Yahoo! 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There is always room in the ole foxhole for you Frank.....
 
It is getting a little crowded tho.....
 
 
Jerry L. Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com
 
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From: Frank Ross
Date: Sunday= , February=20 24, 2002 06:30:59 PM
To: krnet@mailinglists.org
Subject: RE:= KR>=20 Slips and flaps
 
--- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" &lt;ron.martha@mindspri= ng.com>
wrote:
>=20 Right, I think it's more pronounced on High wings
> with REAL= =20 FLAPS.
>
> Ron Freiberger...


Which brings u= p the=20 possibility of putting a TOP wing
on the KR...
Where did that= =20 foxhole go...


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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  IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved -=20 Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_8MQ2LVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_7MQ2QL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:10:40 -0500 To: jerrymahurin@charter.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Slips and flaps Message-ID: <20020225.112324.-383945.7.virgnvs@juno.com> ----__JNP_000_6b80.1cff.15fe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_62df.11ae.3e24 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_62df.11ae.3e24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wait for me!! Virg On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:44:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Jerry Mahurin" writes: There is always room in the ole foxhole for you Frank..... It is getting a little crowded tho..... Jerry L. Mahurin Lugoff, SC See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com -------Original Message------- From: Frank Ross Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 06:30:59 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: RE: KR> Slips and flaps --- "RONALD.FREIBERGER" <ron.martha@mindspring.com> wrote: > Right, I think it's more pronounced on High wings > with REAL FLAPS. > > Ron Freiberger... Which brings up the possibility of putting a TOP wing on the KR... Where did that foxhole go... ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ . ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here ----__JNP_000_62df.11ae.3e24 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 21:44:31 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) "Jerry = Mahurin"=20 <jerrymahurin@charter.net>=20 writes:
There is always room in the ole foxhole for you Frank.....
 
It is getting a little crowded tho.....
 
 
Jerry L. Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com=20
 
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>=20 Right, I think it's more pronounced on High wings
> with REAL= =20 FLAPS.
>
> Ron Freiberger...


Which brings = up the=20 possibility of putting a TOP wing
on the KR...
Where did that= =20 foxhole go...


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----__JNP_000_62df.11ae.3e24-- ----__JNP_000_6b80.1cff.15fe-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:35:00 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Tripacers Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020224203500.008d1a00@mail.midwest.net> At 08:36 PM 2/24/02 EST, Flymaca711689@cs.com wrote: it seams like 85 to >90 like the poh says rate of decent is much like a flypaper (tripacer) or >microlight your coming down right now! >Mac BB sport aviation ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hey, Heeeyyy, Heeeeeeyyyyyyyy, Mac, Tripacers only come down fast when the power is not applied !!! :-) :-) After 370 hours in my Tripe in a bit less that 4 years, I'd say they are one of the best kept secrets in the used plane market. (the 150 hp ones anyway) They will go head to head with a C172 in most areas of flight for half the dollars. You just have to shop for the right one. PLEASE DON'T START A "MY AIRPLANE IS BETTER THEN YOURS" thread !!!!!!!!!! I was just sticking up for "my lady"!! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 11:07:51 -0500 To: flesner@midwest.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Tripacers Message-ID: <20020225.112324.-383945.5.virgnvs@juno.com> For an interesting read, try Stick and Rudder. It gives the relatioship of ALL speeds, Virg On Sun, 24 Feb 2002 20:35:00 -0600 larry flesner writes: > At 08:36 PM 2/24/02 EST, Flymaca711689@cs.com wrote: > it seams like 85 to > >90 like the poh says rate of decent is much like a flypaper > (tripacer) or > >microlight your coming down right now! > >Mac BB sport aviation > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Hey, Heeeyyy, Heeeeeeyyyyyyyy, Mac, Tripacers only come down > fast when the power is not applied !!! :-) :-) > > After 370 hours in my Tripe in a bit less that 4 years, I'd say > they > are one of the best kept secrets in the used plane market. (the > 150 hp ones anyway) They will go head to head with a C172 > in most areas of flight for half the dollars. You just have to > shop > for the right one. PLEASE DON'T START A "MY AIRPLANE IS BETTER > THEN YOURS" thread !!!!!!!!!! I was just sticking up for "my > lady"!! > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:29:58 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flibuoy@aol.com Subject: slips in ground effect Message-ID: <108.de4118c.29ab09b6@aol.com> --part1_108.de4118c.29ab09b6_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe I have this wrong. If you land in a crosswind in most airplanes you would keep the upwind wing low to hold centerline against the drift , with opposite rudder in to keep it straight down centerline. Hey! Isn't that a slip in ground effect disguised as a proper crosswind landing? I say most because SOME do require in the flight manual that the alternative to this technique, a crabcrab, be held right through touchdown...but that is another story... john --part1_108.de4118c.29ab09b6_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 23:25:23 -0800 (Pacific Standard Time) To: From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> slips in ground effect....and nearly FREE BFRs.... Message-Id: <3C79E6E3.000001.40941@mahu4362> --------------Boundary-00=_BAV2QL80000000000000 Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; boundary="------------Boundary-00=_BAV2LVC0000000000000" --------------Boundary-00=_BAV2LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yer right....it is a slip....=0D =0D I owned a Erocoupe for seven years and you have to land them in a crab. = But no sweat 'cause their sturdy trailing link main gear is designed to handl= e it....=0D =0D I attended a couple of FAA safety seminars at the end of September last y= ear One of them was about crosswind landings. The first words out of the presenter's mouth wuz 'There are two ways to land in a crosswind, a crab = or a slip'. He let it be known throughout the presentation that he favord t= he slip because it was easier on the airplane.=0D =0D Speaking of FAA....The reason that I was at the FAA safety weekend was to get my BFR. On these weekend outings, you get a FREE medical, fly one ho= ur with an instructor (free instructor, pay rent on airplane), attend two seminars and you got your BFR....!! I flew a C150 and never touched the flaps.... The instructor said that she could tell that I was a tailwheele= r too. She was also into aerobatics. Most enjoyable check ride I've ever = had There is usually free food around also. The guest speaker at Greenvile= ,SC was the President of AOPA. He gave us the inside dope of what went on wi= th the AOPA in their efforts to get GA back in the air after 9/11.....=0D =0D I ramble on with no KR2....sorry,=0D =0D =0D Jerry L. Mahurin=0D Lugoff, SC=0D See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com =0D =0D -------Original Message-------=0D =0D From: Flibuoy@aol.com=0D Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 07:38:21 PM=0D To: krnet@mailinglists.org=0D Subject: KR> slips in ground effect=0D =0D Maybe I have this wrong. If you land in a crosswind in most airplanes you= =0D would keep the upwind wing low to hold centerline against the drift , wit= h =0D opposite rudder in to keep it straight down centerline. Hey! Isn't that a= =0D slip in ground effect disguised as a proper crosswind landing? I say most= =0D because SOME do require in the flight manual that the alternative to this= =0D technique, a crabcrab, be held right through touchdown...but that is anot= her =0D story... john --------------Boundary-00=_BAV2LVC0000000000000 Content-Type: Text/HTML; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0D =0A
Yer right....it is a slip....
 
I owned a Erocoupe for seven years and you have to land them i= n a=20 crab.  But no sweat 'cause their sturdy trailing link main gea= r is=20 designed to handle it....
 
I attended a couple of FAA safety seminars at the end of Septe= mber=20 last year.  One of them was about crosswind landings.  Th= e first=20 words out of the presenter's mouth wuz 'There are two ways to land = in a=20 crosswind, a crab or a slip'.  He let it be known throughout t= he=20 presentation that he favord the slip because it was easier on the=20 airplane.
 
Speaking of FAA....The reason that I was at the FAA safety wee= kend=20 was to get my BFR.  On these weekend outings, you get a FREE m= edical,=20 fly one hour with an instructor (free instructor, pay rent on airpl= ane),=20 attend two seminars and you got your BFR....!!  I flew a C150 = and=20 never touched the flaps.... The instructor said that she could tell= that I=20 was a tailwheeler too.  She was also into aerobatics.  Mo= st=20 enjoyable check ride I've ever had.  There is usually free foo= d=20 around also.  The guest speaker at Greenvile,SC was the Presid= ent of=20 AOPA.  He gave us the inside dope of what went on with the AOP= A in=20 their efforts to get GA back in the air after 9/11.....
 
I ramble on with no KR2....sorry,
 
 
Jerry L. Mahurin
Lugoff, SC
See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com
 
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From: Flibuoy@aol.com
Date: Sunday= , February=20 24, 2002 07:38:21 PM
To: krnet@mailinglists.org
Subject: KR&= gt; slips=20 in ground effect
 
Maybe I have this wrong. If you land in a crosswin= d in=20 most airplanes you
would keep the upwind wing low to hold cente= rline=20 against the drift , with
opposite rudder in to keep it straight= down=20 centerline. Hey! Isn't that a
slip in ground effect disguised a= s a=20 proper crosswind landing? I say most
because SOME do require in= the=20 flight manual that the alternative to this
technique, a crabcra= b, be=20 held right through touchdown...but that is another
story...=20 john
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  IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved -=20 Click=20 Here --------------Boundary-00=_BAV2LVC0000000000000-- --------------Boundary-00=_BAV2QL80000000000000-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 09:26:33 -0600 To: "Jerry Mahurin" , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> slips in ground effect....and nearly FREE BFRs.... Message-ID: <000b01c1be10$d6cae5a0$4bdd1f41@Administration> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1BDDE.869ED4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've never be aware of this program, I will check into it in my area. Ron ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jerry Mahurin=20 To: krnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 1:25 AM Subject: Re: KR> slips in ground effect....and nearly FREE BFRs.... Yer right....it is a slip.... I owned a Erocoupe for seven years and you have to land them in = a crab. But no sweat 'cause their sturdy trailing link main gear is = designed to handle it.... I attended a couple of FAA safety seminars at the end of = September last year. One of them was about crosswind landings. The = first words out of the presenter's mouth wuz 'There are two ways to land = in a crosswind, a crab or a slip'. He let it be known throughout the = presentation that he favord the slip because it was easier on the = airplane. Speaking of FAA....The reason that I was at the FAA safety = weekend was to get my BFR. On these weekend outings, you get a FREE = medical, fly one hour with an instructor (free instructor, pay rent on = airplane), attend two seminars and you got your BFR....!! I flew a C150 = and never touched the flaps.... The instructor said that she could tell = that I was a tailwheeler too. She was also into aerobatics. Most = enjoyable check ride I've ever had. There is usually free food around = also. The guest speaker at Greenvile,SC was the President of AOPA. He = gave us the inside dope of what went on with the AOPA in their efforts = to get GA back in the air after 9/11..... I ramble on with no KR2....sorry, Jerry L. Mahurin Lugoff, SC See our KR2 at http://www.jerrymahurin.com=20 -------Original Message------- From: Flibuoy@aol.com Date: Sunday, February 24, 2002 07:38:21 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> slips in ground effect Maybe I have this wrong. If you land in a crosswind in most = airplanes you=20 would keep the upwind wing low to hold centerline against the = drift , with=20 opposite rudder in to keep it straight down centerline. Hey! = Isn't that a=20 slip in ground effect disguised as a proper crosswind landing? I = say most=20 because SOME do require in the flight manual that the = alternative to this=20 technique, a crabcrab, be held right through touchdown...but = that is another=20 story... john =20 =20 =20 ____________________________________________________ IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C1BDDE.869ED4B0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 22:37:37 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Human Subject: Aileron Weight Message-id: <00ce01c1bdb6$279eca60$515fdb40@compaq> --Boundary_(ID_HbJ4wwSuhONwqFHRUXT1fw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Let's start something new here. - I just cast my aileron weights today and I'm a little confused (nothing new). The plans show the weight mounted so that it rest inside the wing cavity, but a picture just below the drawing in the plans book appears to show the weight mounted below and outside the wing. How is everyone else mounting their weights - is there room inside the wing for the weight at full travel for this 2 x 3 - 3+ pound brick? Rick Human Houston, Texas http://home.swbell.net/rahuman/index.htm --Boundary_(ID_HbJ4wwSuhONwqFHRUXT1fw)-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 22:47:40 -0800 To: From: "Dave and Tina Goodman" Subject: Canopy bow flex Message-ID: <001b01c1bc36$1abc79e0$6745a6d1@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1BBF2.EEA428A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gents, I pulled my canopy bow complete with glass out of the frame I built it = in. Sitting on the fuselage on the turtleback and front deck, it is 1/4 = inch too wide in the front. I used the RR bow and Plexiglas. Any = thoughts on how to fix it? Back seems to be fine. I also have a slight = gap between the lower edge of the canopy and the longerons. Any = thoughts on that? I admit to being somewhat perplexed as I built a good frame and used it = throughout. Perhaps it was the weight of the glass in the frame? Any thoughts appreciated. Respectfully, Dave "Zipper" Goodman ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1BBF2.EEA428A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 08:11:42 -0800 To: zipperts@whidbey.net, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Lynn Hyder" Subject: Re: KR> Canopy bow flex Message-ID: Dave......... I pulled mine together with a strap. Made sure everything was where I wanted it, then put a heat lamp under it and let it sit for a couple of days. I took the heat away and let it cool for a couple of more days. After that I kept it in position on then plane as much as I could and have not had any problem since. Lynn Hyder N37LH >Gents, > >I pulled my canopy bow complete with glass out of the frame I built it in. >Sitting on the fuselage on the turtleback and front deck, it is 1/4 inch >too wide in the front. I used the RR bow and Plexiglas. Any thoughts on >how to fix it? Back seems to be fine. I also have a slight gap between >the lower edge of the canopy and the longerons. Any thoughts on that? > >I admit to being somewhat perplexed as I built a good frame and used it >throughout. Perhaps it was the weight of the glass in the frame? > >Any thoughts appreciated. > >Respectfully, >Dave "Zipper" Goodman > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 06:56:27 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: I love tripacers too! Message-ID: <176.421480b.29ab806b@cs.com> --part1_176.421480b.29ab806b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Larry I love them to I just feel the glide is the same and they are fast and most pilots do not now that! next time you fly the flypaper see if IM right that the glide is the same. how! did it get that nick name any how billy mac bb sport --part1_176.421480b.29ab806b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:18:52 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: What a KR can have you make! Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1BE28.E0EA3820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My task of the day was to make a new...kneeboard! My standard Jeppesen one is very nice, but it was designed for IFR charts. And guess what? The KR cockpit is so small that the clipboard interferes with the stick and/or the passenger. So, I had to build a tiny one (120x195mm, that is about 4 ¾" x 7 ½"). Anyway, I made it out of aluminum, and I am amazed at how quickly I can now make things like that! Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C1BE28.E0EA3820-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************