From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 3 Mar 2002 12:30:10 -0000 Issue 385 Date: Sunday, March 03, 2002 4:30 AM krnet Digest 3 Mar 2002 12:30:10 -0000 Issue 385 Topics (messages 9065 through 9094): Re: ultralight looks at sport pilot 9065 by: Philip J. Visconti 9067 by: Tony Alderman N2026P for sale 9066 by: Eddie Hibbard speed brakes 9068 by: nikki spoilers, flaps and other things 9069 by: James E. Lanier 9085 by: virgnvs.juno.com constant speed prop. 9070 by: nikki Jabiru in Canada Eh. 9071 by: Rick wing skin and Diehl gear 9072 by: Tim Brown 9074 by: Mark Jones 9077 by: John and Janet Martindale 9083 by: Ron Eason Re: Sun N Fun 2002 9073 by: virgnvs.juno.com Just a little update... 9075 by: Mark Jones 9076 by: Frank Ross Sport Pilot 9078 by: Dana Overall battery 9079 by: larry flesner 9084 by: Gognij.aol.com 9094 by: larry flesner Accidently deleted Mar. 1 krnet 9080 by: Paul Gangemi BATTERIES 9081 by: RICK WILSON grain direction 9082 by: Darren Pond 9088 by: Chris Gardiner 9090 by: Donald Reid Re: Posa Pressure? 9086 by: virgnvs.juno.com 9089 by: Ron Eason Re: Jabiru engines? 9087 by: virgnvs.juno.com You have another virus on your computer. 9091 by: gleone still working 9092 by: Tim Brown kr accident document 9093 by: Flymaca711689.cs.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:42:09 -0500 To: t-hawk@mindspring.com From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: PConley@wcom.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> ultralight looks at sport pilot Message-ID: <20020301.154210.-478399.0.viscan@juno.com> Tony, I got lost after about the 3rd or 4th paragraph. If you are going to send your alternatives (to FAA) for NPRM, will they be less complicated ? Any guess on how many are./will continue to fly without a license if there is no "Sport License" ? Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:53:29 -0800 To: "Philip J. Visconti" From: "Tony Alderman" Cc: , Subject: Re: KR> ultralight looks at sport pilot Message-ID: <003001c1c17c$4a6011c0$fd9ff7a5@computer> I just got these in my email today and thought I would get other Kr's opinions. I too got very lost and hope not to many of these reach FAA. Tony Tony Alderman Durham NC t-hawk@mindspring.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Philip J. Visconti" To: Cc: ; Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: KR> ultralight looks at sport pilot > Tony, > > I got lost after about the 3rd or 4th paragraph. If you are going to send > your alternatives (to FAA) for NPRM, will they be less complicated ? Any > guess on how many are./will continue to fly without a license if there is > no "Sport License" ? > > Phil > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:50:29 -0800 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Eddie Hibbard" Subject: N2026P for sale Message-ID: N2026P is still up for sale. I've had a few nibbles, but nothing serious. I Don't know what traffic has been on KRnet as I have only been able to read 1 or 2 of the digest. I repeat my pitch, Its a nice plane I purchased from Canada, brought to the US, brought up to US standards, relicensed and had to fly off a restricted period a second time. It is a stock (what ever that means) KR2, 1835 HAPI VW, retracts with stout pin locks (not the natorious latches). Basic VFR instruments, no gyros, panal bracketed NAVCOM, 9 gallon header tank, premolded turtle,canopy,and cowling. Clean interior, decent exterior. Total weight around 535 lbs, good speed and climb performance. The motor just had a head job with new valves and guides. I don't hold the construction certificate so it has been condition inspected by A&Es. I will pay for inspection if the price is resonable (unfortunitly our FBO closed about a year ago and hasn't been replaced). Last sign off was done in Hillsboro Oregon. I payed well over $6,000 initial price and improvements for import/ reregistration. The plane is better now than then. I will consider less but lets be resonable. This is a flying aircraft but it must be sold. It has plenty of areas for improvement if someone wants to fly and do some tweeking and building between flights. Only serious inquires please, I am still extremly busy with building homes and moving. The plane MUST go. I and the plane are located in eastern Oregon in Baker City. About 2 hours by freeway northwest of Boise Idaho. Reply OFF KRNET to edhibb@hotmail.com . I do have a couple of scanned photes of when I purchased it in 1999. Ed Hibbard N2026P Baker City, Oregon _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:40:04 -0800 To: From: "nikki" Subject: speed brakes Message-ID: <002a01c1c182$ccd05880$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1C13F.BD55C5E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable has anyone considered using speed brakes like the ones on a Lancair? = seems stub wing flaps are marginal in a cost /effectiveness/ weight = standpoint. Flaperons seem a little sketccy and unproven on a KR. Anyone = have any experiernce with them? any engineering advice? also, anyone = have any tet waf's? Thanks , Jim Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C1C13F.BD55C5E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:50:20 -0500 To: From: "James E. Lanier" Subject: spoilers, flaps and other things Message-ID: <004801c1c18c$ae469cd0$6601a8c0@jimllaptop> ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C1C162.B3578E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been reading the posts concerning flaps,ailerons and combinations = of the two. Have any of you seen the use of spoilers on KRs? I would = think it would be mechanically simpler to use flaps along the length of = the trailing edge (including the length normally used for ailerons). = Aditionally, roll would be implemented by differential wing spoilers. I = recall a light homebuilt aircraft in the 70s that used spoilers for = roll. I don't recall the name of the craft. ( I do remember it had a = V-tail) Jim jelanier@chemroc.com www.chemroc.com ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C1C162.B3578E20-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:48:00 -0500 To: jelanier@chemroc.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> spoilers, flaps and other things Message-ID: <20020302.160012.-312135.3.virgnvs@juno.com> A " Davis D-?". One KR had GAW airfoil and spoilers, Virg On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:50:20 -0500 "James E. Lanier" writes: > I have been reading the posts concerning flaps,ailerons and > combinations of the two. Have any of you seen the use of spoilers on > KRs? I would think it would be mechanically simpler to use flaps > along the length of the trailing edge (including the length normally > used for ailerons). Aditionally, roll would be implemented by > differential wing spoilers. I recall a light homebuilt aircraft in > the 70s that used spoilers for roll. I don't recall the name of the > craft. ( I do remember it had a V-tail) > > Jim > jelanier@chemroc.com > www.chemroc.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:25:47 -0800 To: From: "nikki" Subject: constant speed prop. Message-ID: <003101c1c1a2$54bb2c60$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1C15F.45622B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A while ago Darren Pond posted re: designing a constant speed prop. Was = wondering if that progressed. Been doin a little design on my own. = Darren, are you still out there?. you can contact me directly = synergydesign@sopris.net. See ya, Jim Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C1C15F.45622B80-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 20:21:08 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Rick Subject: Jabiru in Canada Eh. Message-ID: <41ED2F1280124E4D8B88691C9A9B5FDE011AB4@mail.binoids.com> Hi Guys Jabiru also has a Canadian dealer http://www.jabirucanada.com/ 3300A 6 cylinder - 120 hp $17,595 CDA With shipping and tax...MMmmm $20K Sot... I have my trusty and rusty Corvair engine and new prop hub patiently waiting to be rebuilt for about 1/3 that price. Rick Hubka rick@hubka.com http://www.hubka.com/kr_main.htm Calgary Canada ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:08:01 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: wing skin and Diehl gear Message-ID: <20020302050801.85679.qmail@web9503.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Net: I plan to build my wing skins ala Mark L only using glass rather than CF and plan to use a wing walk area similar to Mark Jones. My 2S is tri-gear. Question: Should there be any concern about flex of Diehl gear at wing skin junction? Should I plan to leave an eighth inch or more gap between gear leg and foam/glass or is there just so little flex as to be of no concern? Or should I place the skin and just cut a tight fitting "slot" for the gear leg to pass through and not worry about it flexing (sanding wing and glassing before leg is in place...we do learn from your mistakes, Mark)? Thanks all. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:21:28 -0600 To: Tim Brown From: Mark Jones CC: Group KR NET Subject: Re: KR> wing skin and Diehl gear Message-ID: <3C806158.D1CC07AF@execpc.com> Tim and All, I feel there should be some margin for gear flex as it exits the bottom of the wing. How much is anyone's guess. I am planning on leaving a 1/4" gap around my gear legs and then installing a fairing from the gear leg to the bottom of the wing. The fairing will be attached to the gear leg but not to the bottom of the wing. This will enable the fairing to slide on the wing as the gear flexes. I would think if one were to build the wing flush with the gear leg, then the flexing of the leg would crack the area of the wing around the leg. Just my 2 centavos worth. Mark Jones Tim Brown wrote: > Dear Net: > > I plan to build my wing skins ala Mark L only > using glass rather than CF and plan to use a wing > walk area similar to Mark Jones. My 2S is > tri-gear. > > Question: Should there be any concern about flex > of Diehl gear at wing skin junction? Should I > plan to leave an eighth inch or more gap between > gear leg and foam/glass or is there just so > little flex as to be of no concern? Or should I > place the skin and just cut a tight fitting > "slot" for the gear leg to pass through and not > worry about it flexing (sanding wing and glassing > before leg is in place...we do learn from your > mistakes, Mark)? > > Thanks all. > > Tim > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 22:53:00 +1100 To: "Tim Brown" , "Group KR NET" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Re: KR> wing skin and Diehl gear Message-ID: <004301c1c1e0$e6267680$0b236e40@m1g0x7> Tim I originally had mine beautifully faired in and glassed over but it cracked almost immediately after placing strain on the wing skin. Some sort of gap is essential. I finished up cutting 1/8" slot all the way around the fairing about an inch down from the wing an then ran a rubber sealing strip over the slot with its upper edge glued on and the lower free to move. John ----- Original Message ----- From: Tim Brown To: Group KR NET Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: KR> wing skin and Diehl gear > Dear Net: > > I plan to build my wing skins ala Mark L only > using glass rather than CF and plan to use a wing > walk area similar to Mark Jones. My 2S is > tri-gear. > > Question: Should there be any concern about flex > of Diehl gear at wing skin junction? Should I > plan to leave an eighth inch or more gap between > gear leg and foam/glass or is there just so > little flex as to be of no concern? Or should I > place the skin and just cut a tight fitting > "slot" for the gear leg to pass through and not > worry about it flexing (sanding wing and glassing > before leg is in place...we do learn from your > mistakes, Mark)? > > Thanks all. > > Tim > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > http://sports.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:22:59 -0600 To: "Mark Jones" , "Tim Brown" From: "Ron Eason" Cc: "Group KR NET" Subject: Re: KR> wing skin and Diehl gear Message-ID: <003f01c1c21f$abbab800$4bdd1f41@Administration> Try leaving the enlarged area for flexing and then use urethane [flexible] caulking in space for closure. I am doing some other areas in a in this manner. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "Tim Brown" Cc: "Group KR NET" Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: Re: KR> wing skin and Diehl gear > Tim and All, > I feel there should be some margin for gear flex as it exits the bottom > of the wing. How much is anyone's guess. I am planning on leaving a 1/4" > gap around my gear legs and then installing a fairing from the gear leg > to the bottom of the wing. The fairing will be attached to the gear leg > but not to the bottom of the wing. This will enable the fairing to slide > on the wing as the gear flexes. I would think if one were to build the > wing flush with the gear leg, then the flexing of the leg would crack the > area of the wing around the leg. Just my 2 centavos worth. > Mark Jones > > Tim Brown wrote: > > > Dear Net: > > > > I plan to build my wing skins ala Mark L only > > using glass rather than CF and plan to use a wing > > walk area similar to Mark Jones. My 2S is > > tri-gear. > > > > Question: Should there be any concern about flex > > of Diehl gear at wing skin junction? Should I > > plan to leave an eighth inch or more gap between > > gear leg and foam/glass or is there just so > > little flex as to be of no concern? Or should I > > place the skin and just cut a tight fitting > > "slot" for the gear leg to pass through and not > > worry about it flexing (sanding wing and glassing > > before leg is in place...we do learn from your > > mistakes, Mark)? > > > > Thanks all. > > > > Tim > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball > > http://sports.yahoo.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:05:20 -0500 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Sun N Fun 2002 Message-ID: <20020302.000914.-515303.1.virgnvs@juno.com> No booth. You deleted my PICS. Dry noodle in hand waiting for you. Will resend. On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 19:56:42 -0800 (PST) Frank Ross writes: > --- virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > > Same this year!! NO KR BOOTH. Virg > > Virg, > Are you saying that there won't be a Rand Robinson KR > Booth at Sun N Fun this year? Will Jeanette Rand be > there? > Thanks > PS, I deleted a message from you with an attachment > without opening it. Was it my lottery ticket? > Frank > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 23:28:48 -0600 To: CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net From: Mark Jones Subject: Just a little update... Message-ID: <3C806310.B8A12578@execpc.com> All instruments installed, both flight and engine. All wiring done, both instrument panel and ignition system. Prop installed. Battery is from "Farm and Fleet", it is a lawn and garden tractor battery, 21 lbs., 425 cranking amps, 340 cold cranking amps and boy does it spin the engine under compression and only $27.99. Left to do is intake, mount carb and exhaust, then TURN THE KEY. I am finally, after exactly two years of carefully building the engine, so close to start up. I am so excited I could just wet my pants...... -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 00:16:23 -0800 (PST) To: KR-Net From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Just a little update... Message-ID: <20020302081624.40561.qmail@web14002.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations Mark, Sounds great! You might want to wait until it warms up a little before you go outside that excited... --- Mark Jones wrote: > All instruments installed, both flight and engine. > All wiring done, both > I am so excited I > could just wet my pants...... > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:14:00 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Sport Pilot Message-ID: There are numerous threads going on on various aviation links concerning the Sport Pilot. The intent of this provision appears to be the inclusion of ultra light pilots being brought under control of the FAA instead of a quasi "club" type organization. Currently two perils are present. The self certifying of medical compliance says that you are certifying you are capable of receiving a 3rd. class medical. If you fly with non medical disqualifing condition, you are liable for civil action as if you were currently flying as a private pilot without a current medical. The second appears to be the certifing of ultralight instructor (whatever the hell that is) as a Sport Pilot CFI after written testing and a FAA check ride. The brunt arguements being presented to the FAA are coming from the ultralight community that says "let us in with a few restictions as possible". You can certainly argue both cases. Dana Overall _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 08:57:59 -0600 To: CorvAIRCRAFT ,KR-Net From: larry flesner Subject: battery Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020302085759.008e26b0@mail.midwest.net> Mark and others, I too started with a farm supply battery, Rural King, $15.00 , garden tractor type for my 0-200. Plenty power but needed venting (inside cockpit). Then I learned of a local battery supplier that supplies batteries to the local university for their wheel chair maint. dept. These are totally sealed/no maint. batteries removed from chairs after one year service and he sells them for $27 with one year warranty. They are either gel cell or captured elect., not sure which. As I recall, they measure about 5.5 X 7 X 9 inches or so and fit into the same box I made for the lawn tractor battery. All the guy use them here on their experimentals, even 150 hp lycs. They seem to give several years of service and I guessing we're getting $100+ batteries for 25 cents on the dollar. You might want to check for similar oppertunities in your area. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:45:50 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Gognij@aol.com Subject: Battery Message-ID: <95.187e2e84.29b293fe@aol.com> --part1_95.187e2e84.29b293fe_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks I just purchased an ES14L2C battery that is designed to start a 1983 Honda 1100cc motorcycle. It is a 190cc amp. battery. Do you think this battery will be enough to start my 1775ccVW engine with GPASC geared starter? Jim Gogniat --part1_95.187e2e84.29b293fe_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:28:58 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: battery Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020303062858.008dfdf0@mail.midwest.net> Netters, I got several direct e-mails asking the weight of the battery I'm using that was used in a wheel chair. I never put it on a scale but I'm guessing it to be about the same weight as a small lawn tractor battery its size (5.5 X 7 X 9 approx). I'm guessing it to be in the 20 lbs. range. It may be a larger battery then some intend to use but if you intend to use one this size you just as well get one as cheep as possible. The best part for me was I didn't need to vent my battery box from inside the cockpit. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:28:13 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: paulwasp@webtv.net (Paul Gangemi) Subject: Accidently deleted Mar. 1 krnet Message-ID: <6639-3C80EF8D-377@storefull-166.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Could you send it back? Thanks in advance. PLG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 10:13:45 -0800 (PST) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: RICK WILSON Subject: BATTERIES Message-ID: <20020302181345.72452.qmail@web21209.mail.yahoo.com> I AM ALSO USING A WHEELCHAIR BATTERY ON MY KR2 WITH CONT. 0200. I WENT TO THE MEDICAL SUPPLY PLACE WHERE I LIVE AND THEY GIVE THE BATTERIES AWAY AFTER A SPECIFIED TIME HAS RUN OUT. THEY ARE SMALL GELCELL BATTERIES WITH PLENTY OF GOOD USE STILL LEFT IN THEM. JUST THOUGHT SOMEONE COULD USE THIS INFORMATION,THANKS,RICK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 13:51:28 -0800 To: "krnet" From: "Darren Pond" Subject: grain direction Message-ID: <000801c1c234$68ba1cc0$5f047218@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C1F1.5A3B4F40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable HI all Just looking at my wing spars as they have just arrived. Does it matter = which way the grain goes on the wing spar caps. Mine are cut for the = grain will be parallel to the ground as opposed to right angle to the = ground? Darren=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1C1F1.5A3B4F40-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 16:17:13 -0500 To: Darren Pond From: Chris Gardiner CC: krnet Subject: Re: KR> grain direction Message-ID: <3C814159.4090400@netscape.net> That is the most common way to cut the spar caps , grain parallel to the ground . Mine are oriented that way too , from the Wicks wood kit I purchased ( and laminated them). Apparently , from my investigation at the time I had the same question , it makes no difference in strength which way it runs ( parallel or 90 deg) . It is recommended that rectanglar shaped spar ( cross- section ) be cut this way to minimize any shrinkage due to moisture loss/gain over time. The KR spar cap sections are almost square (from memory ) so hence not really an issue with shrinkage. 6 hours on my KR2S so far and waiting for some warmer weather to finish flying off my 25 hr restriction. Regards Chris Gardiner KR2S C-GKRZ Darren Pond wrote: >HI all >Just looking at my wing spars as they have just arrived. Does it matter which way the grain goes on the wing spar caps. Mine are cut for the grain will be parallel to the ground as opposed to right angle to the ground? >Darren > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:17:53 -0500 To: "krnet" From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> grain direction Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020302181501.00a23710@pop.erols.com> --=====================_16888336==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 01:51 PM 3/2/2002 -0800, Darren Pond wrote: >Just looking at my wing spars as they have just arrived. Does it matter >which way the grain goes on the wing spar caps. Mine are cut for the >grain will be parallel to the ground as opposed to right angle to the ground? The previous answer to this question is correct. The orientation is only critical when you are laminating. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_16888336==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:35:20 -0500 To: PConley@wcom.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Posa Pressure? Message-ID: <20020302.160012.-312135.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Is that a 1# regulator ? Kind of tight Regulation. Virg On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:09:43 -0500 "Conley, Paul W." writes: > Hi all, > I have been looking in the archives, but for some reason by > browser > keeps taking a siesta.... So, I'll bother everyone's grey matter > with the > question.... Question: I am building a KR2 w/ 2.0 L 914 engine. The > carb I > have is a Posa. I know the device is usually gravity fed, but, how > about a > pump with a pressure regulator to keep things constant with > different fuel > levels??? Or, has the gravity from the fuselage tank worked well > enough that > this has never came up?? Thanks! P.S. I realize it is necessary to > turn fuel > off to avoid the flooding... This on/off valve would therefore be > after the > reg.... > > Thank you, > Paul Conley > LAN-WAN Engineer, Global Hosting > UUNET, an MCI WorldCom Company > (614) 723-7647 / pconley@wcom.net > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 17:10:15 -0600 To: , From: "Ron Eason" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Posa Pressure? Message-ID: <001501c1c23f$71aa7810$4bdd1f41@Administration> If you use a pump you may have to put a return line to the fuel tank to keep from over pressuring the Posa. The pump should also shutoff the fuel when not running or add a manual valve. If you have any questions how the return line is installed e-mail me. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2002 2:35 PM Subject: Re: KR> Posa Pressure? > Is that a 1# regulator ? Kind of tight Regulation. > Virg > > On Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:09:43 -0500 "Conley, Paul W." > writes: > > Hi all, > > I have been looking in the archives, but for some reason by > > browser > > keeps taking a siesta.... So, I'll bother everyone's grey matter > > with the > > question.... Question: I am building a KR2 w/ 2.0 L 914 engine. The > > carb I > > have is a Posa. I know the device is usually gravity fed, but, how > > about a > > pump with a pressure regulator to keep things constant with > > different fuel > > levels??? Or, has the gravity from the fuselage tank worked well > > enough that > > this has never came up?? Thanks! P.S. I realize it is necessary to > > turn fuel > > off to avoid the flooding... This on/off valve would therefore be > > after the > > reg.... > > > > Thank you, > > Paul Conley > > LAN-WAN Engineer, Global Hosting > > UUNET, an MCI WorldCom Company > > (614) 723-7647 / pconley@wcom.net > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:19:38 -0500 To: macwood@tinyworld.co.uk From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: azobell@yahoo.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Jabiru engines? Message-ID: <20020302.160012.-312135.0.virgnvs@juno.com> See dealer at Lakeland, Virg On Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:57:07 -0000 "macwood" writes: > Last time I was in Ozz, I checked out a flying club in W Australia > with a > view to getting a ride in a Jabiru. The club told me that they had > sold > their Jabs as they had problems with the engine. I haven't heard > any other > complaints about them - check with John Martindale . > Regards Mac W UK inal Message ----- > From: "Alex Zobell" > To: > Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:12 AM > Subject: KR> Jabiru engines? > > > > First off thanks to everyone who responded to my > > earlier post about the safety issues of the KR-2. > > > > Recetenly I was looking up possible engines for when I > > build this plane and found an 80hp Jabiru that looks > > like it might be a good engine. Does anybody have > > experience with Jabiru, partuclarly with installing it > > on a KR-2S? > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Greetings - Send FREE e-cards for every occasion! > > http://greetings.yahoo.com > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:21:25 -0700 To: _danrh@att.net From: gleone CC: KR Net Subject: You have another virus on your computer. Message-ID: <3C817A94.7FF53823@tritel.net> --------------A6775AABE047AB43DB94DFBF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Howdy! My ISP intercepted an e-mail from you that is infected with a virus. The text of the message you (unknowingly) sent is as follows: Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 11:29:13 +0000 From: "Daniel Heath" <_danrh@att.net> To: gleone@tritel.net Subject: Re: KR> 16 yr old revisited and his VIRUS Attachments: audio/x-wav; name="NEWS_DOC.DOC.scr" You might want to run your virus checker and clean your computer. I included the KR-Net as your e-mail address is odd in starting with "_" and I wanted to warn others on the net this is popping up again. I would be more than happy to take this little 16 year old s*** out to the badlands and break both his legs and arms and leave him 20 miles from the nearest road where he would make excellent coyote bait. Just a thought. Anyway, check you computer as you have a problem with this virus. Good luck, Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming. --------------A6775AABE047AB43DB94DFBF-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 20:19:41 -0800 (PST) To: Group KR NET From: Tim Brown Subject: still working Message-ID: <20020303041941.5174.qmail@web9507.mail.yahoo.com> Dear Net: Began seat today. Cut form and laid in some strips of hardboard. Then covered hardboard with duct tape. On top of this I laid on some peel ply. Next I cut KR glass...two pieces, but I sandwiched the triangles left over in between, so there are three thicknesses of glass. I placed the glass on plastic and wetted it through. I then ran micro into the 1/4" last-a-foam. I set the glass on top of the peel ply then placed the foam on top and placed many clamps and boards to form the curves, etc. Now it is cooking over night in heated garage. Hope it all works out. Will know tomorrow when I inspect. If all is OK, then I will glass the top. Also "crimped" on the last of the cables for aileron runs so all is now permanent. Finally, taught my 14 year old to use the lathe today (ShopSmith). He decided to take woodshop and was curious. Very full day. Wish me luck for tomorrow's inspection. Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 01:45:46 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Flymaca711689@cs.com Subject: kr accident document Message-ID: <50.77198a2.29b3209a@cs.com> --part1_50.77198a2.29b3209a_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit as of Feb22 the Kr net was updated with accident reports. most are pilot err the classic stall spin seams to be the killer and lost of control to slow that why all this talk of flaps spoilers? come on guys airspeed is your friend with this aircraft. after a year and broken nose I still think before I fire her up little things that will save your bacon like the wind is on my left side engine out on take off 500 ftturn left in to the wind 300 ft not going to make it fly it straight head till last piece is not flying this aircraft is all airplane you wear It so to speak forget about making it go slow 100 down wind 90 base 80 short final 70 over the numbers use ground effect to your advantage read the poh till you memorize it do not taxi it and less you and the aircraft are ready no wind or its going to scar the crap out of you or kill you !! read all data on it and you will do fine. think your a hot shot your dead! a good trainer is the rans s10 fly's much like a Kr and lot of them a round. that's why the Kr has abad rap Joe pilot 37dead 87 accidents plus mine nose gear to weak still pilot err i fix the problem IM one of the lucky ones! i love this aircraft and will defend it to the death after all i made it IM a Kr flyer now and love it see yaa in fla --part1_50.77198a2.29b3209a_boundary-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************