From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 5 Mar 2002 06:59:14 -0000 Issue 386 Date: Monday, March 04, 2002 10:59 PM krnet Digest 5 Mar 2002 06:59:14 -0000 Issue 386 Topics (messages 9095 through 9123): sealed battery 9095 by: Aughaus.cs.com Re: battery 9096 by: Linda Warner KR2 checkout 9097 by: Wayne Hartman Reduction drives 9098 by: Ewander.aol.com Check it out!!! 9099 by: Mark Jones 9100 by: Oscar Zuniga Re: corvaircraft: Check it out!!! 9101 by: Mark Jones 9108 by: Serge F. VIDAL 9109 by: Mark Jones Engine Mount 9102 by: rfarmer 9112 by: rfarmer 9113 by: Philip J. Visconti Re: Check it out 9103 by: Mike flaoerons...polliwagen 9104 by: Wayne Hartman but 9105 by: Red Ewing Re: grain direction 9106 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: KR-2 Lost... 9107 by: John Bouyea virus 9110 by: rfarmer Re: spoilers, flaps and other things 9111 by: Mark Langford 9114 by: James E. Lanier 9115 by: Jerry Mahurin 9116 by: James E. Lanier 9118 by: Jerry Mahurin 9119 by: WMartensJr.aol.com 9121 by: Philip J. Visconti Re: FLAPS 9117 by: Mike Flap Things 9120 by: WA7YXF.aol.com Plan your holes carefully! 9122 by: Serge F. VIDAL A KR with flaperons? 9123 by: Serge F. VIDAL Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 08:50:23 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Aughaus@cs.com Subject: sealed battery Message-ID: <162.9b76d17.29b3841f@cs.com> --part1_162.9b76d17.29b3841f_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit netters Is there any restrictions about altitudes using sealed batteries (even in a wheel chair)? Lou --part1_162.9b76d17.29b3841f_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 10:10:28 -0500 (EST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org, flesner@midwest.net From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: KR> battery Message-ID: <26366-3C823CE4-6285@storefull-2173.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-25347-3355 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Larry. That part about not having to vent the battery box sounds good. There is even a Co. (Concorde) that makes a sealed battery (with only a trace of acid in it) for certificated A/C. They are no lighter because they make the plates longer due to the fact they don't need room below them for the sulfides to accumulate. This should also answer the gentleman's question about using them at different altitudes. As we get into the 21st century, it's nice to have SOME new technology to draw on. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl --WebTV-Mail-25347-3355 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-102-16.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.199.185) by storefull-2172.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 04:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: by smtpin-102-16.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id D34BC7F0C; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 04:30:14 -0800 (PST) Delivered-To: jaslkw@webtv.net Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpin-102-16.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with SMTP id 1F2C47F65 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 04:30:14 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 13254 invoked by alias); 3 Mar 2002 12:30:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 13243 invoked from network); 3 Mar 2002 12:30:02 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020303062858.008dfdf0@mail.midwest.net> X-Sender: flesner@mail.midwest.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:28:58 -0600 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: KR> battery Netters, I got several direct e-mails asking the weight of the battery I'm using that was used in a wheel chair. I never put it on a scale but I'm guessing it to be about the same weight as a small lawn tractor battery its size (5.5 X 7 X 9 approx). I'm guessing it to be in the 20 lbs. range. It may be a larger battery then some intend to use but if you intend to use one this size you just as well get one as cheep as possible. The best part for me was I didn't need to vent my battery box from inside the cockpit. Larry Flesner --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ --WebTV-Mail-25347-3355-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 09:20:15 -0800 (PST) To: KR Net From: Wayne Hartman Subject: KR2 checkout Message-ID: <20020303172015.7220.qmail@web14907.mail.yahoo.com> Can anyone send me a phone number or e-mail address for Troy Petteway? I would like to contact him about instruction/checkout in a KR. If you know anyone else who can do this,or have the above requested info, send it in private e-mail to: diamond6sr@yahoo.com. I live in Southeast Ohio. Trying to find someone close to this area! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 14:00:15 EST To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ewander@aol.com Subject: Reduction drives Message-ID: <16e.9b6d050.29b3ccbf@aol.com> I have searched the archives and not come up with info on reduction drives. I am considering a KR2S for my second project, being almost done with the first. Steve at Great Plains is excited about his reduction drive. It places the prop 5" higher than the crank. Is anyone using the GP reduction drive? It would seem to be an advantage to be able to use the standard crankshaft and 92 octane fuel, not to mention the options for props. -Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 13:47:04 -0600 To: CorvAIRCRAFT , KR-Net , William Wynne From: Mark Jones Subject: Check it out!!! Message-ID: <3C827DB8.65045930@execpc.com> Hello All, I have just posted a new photo on the cover page of my web site taken only moments ago. A KR project in a beautiful snow setting!!!! Also, I just updated my "Photo of the Week". Hope you enjoy!!!! http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 21:05:35 To: corvaircraft@usm.edu, krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Check it out!!! Message-ID: >A KR project in a beautiful snow setting! >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Beautiful work, Mark. We were up in the snow yesterday ourselves, enjoying some skiing and saw a happy RV pilot come zooming over the top of 7500' Mt. Ashland. Makes you want to hurry up and finish the airplane so you can do some zooming yourself! Question regarding the items you have mounted on the shelf behind the firewall. It seems that you will have quite a few things feeding from FWF aft, and vice-versa. Are you planning to combine stuff to minimize penetrations, or try to keep lengths to a minimum and live with more penetrations of your firewall? Oscar Zuniga Medford, Oregon mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 15:22:29 -0600 To: corvaircraft@usm.edu From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: corvaircraft: Check it out!!! Message-ID: <3C829415.8F0156A5@execpc.com> So far for all the electrics, I have three pass through holes of 3/4" each. I have installed fairleads in these holes to protect the cables and they will be sealed with high temp caulk and then covered with the metal Dimpled Firewall Shields. There will be no more made for the electrics. I will have to route the throttle cable through the firewall and also the brake tube to the reservoir. I am considering putting the reservoir in the cockpit which would eliminate that one. My fire wall is going to be very clean in the engine compartment. Waiting on final W&B before I decide where the battery will go. The battery cables may also have to go through the firewall Oscar Zuniga wrote: > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > >A KR project in a beautiful snow setting! > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > Beautiful work, Mark. We were up in the snow yesterday ourselves, enjoying > some skiing and saw a happy RV pilot come zooming over the top of 7500' Mt. > Ashland. Makes you want to hurry up and finish the airplane so you can do > some zooming yourself! > > Question regarding the items you have mounted on the shelf behind the > firewall. It seems that you will have quite a few things feeding from FWF > aft, and vice-versa. Are you planning to combine stuff to minimize > penetrations, or try to keep lengths to a minimum and live with more > penetrations of your firewall? > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe corvaircraft" to"majordomo@usm.edu" > For help send "info corvaircraft" or "help" to "majordomo@usm.edu" -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:59:39 +0200 To: "Mark Jones" , From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: RE: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Check it out!!! Message-ID: Mark, Your plane looks nicer by the day! I'm very surprised with the location of your main wheels. My KR2 is a taildragger, and its main wheels are at about the same place. I would have expected yours to be more or less at the rear spar. Did I miss something? Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com] Sent: 03 March, 2002 11:22 PM To: corvaircraft@usm.edu Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Check it out!!! So far for all the electrics, I have three pass through holes of 3/4" each. I have installed fairleads in these holes to protect the cables and they will be sealed with high temp caulk and then covered with the metal Dimpled Firewall Shields. There will be no more made for the electrics. I will have to route the throttle cable through the firewall and also the brake tube to the reservoir. I am considering putting the reservoir in the cockpit which would eliminate that one. My fire wall is going to be very clean in the engine compartment. Waiting on final W&B before I decide where the battery will go. The battery cables may also have to go through the firewall Oscar Zuniga wrote: > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > >A KR project in a beautiful snow setting! > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > Beautiful work, Mark. We were up in the snow yesterday ourselves, enjoying > some skiing and saw a happy RV pilot come zooming over the top of 7500' Mt. > Ashland. Makes you want to hurry up and finish the airplane so you can do > some zooming yourself! > > Question regarding the items you have mounted on the shelf behind the > firewall. It seems that you will have quite a few things feeding from FWF > aft, and vice-versa. Are you planning to combine stuff to minimize > penetrations, or try to keep lengths to a minimum and live with more > penetrations of your firewall? > > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, Oregon > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe corvaircraft" to"majordomo@usm.edu" > For help send "info corvaircraft" or "help" to "majordomo@usm.edu" -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 06:54:44 -0600 To: svidal@icon.co.za From: Mark Jones CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Check it out!!! Message-ID: <3C836E93.B1749B61@execpc.com> Serge, The tri-gear mail wheels are 4 1/2" inches centerline behind the main spar and are mounted to the rear of the main spar. The taildragger should be mounted to the front of the main spar. I am unsure exactly where the axle centerline on the taildragger should be but I would think in front of the main spar. Mark Jones "Serge F. VIDAL" wrote: > Mark, > Your plane looks nicer by the day! > > I'm very surprised with the location of your main wheels. My KR2 is a > taildragger, and its main wheels are at about the same place. I would have > expected yours to be more or less at the rear spar. Did I miss something? > > Serge VIDAL > KR2 ZS-WEC > Johannesburg, South Africa > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com] > Sent: 03 March, 2002 11:22 PM > To: corvaircraft@usm.edu > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Re: corvaircraft: Check it out!!! > > So far for all the electrics, I have three pass through holes of 3/4" each. > I > have installed fairleads in these holes to protect the cables and they will > be > sealed with high temp caulk and then covered with the metal Dimpled Firewall > Shields. There will be no more made for the electrics. I will have to route > the > throttle cable through the firewall and also the brake tube to the > reservoir. I > am considering putting the reservoir in the cockpit which would eliminate > that > one. My fire wall is going to be very clean in the engine compartment. > Waiting > on final W&B before I decide where the battery will go. The battery cables > may > also have to go through the firewall > > Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > > >A KR project in a beautiful snow setting! > > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > Beautiful work, Mark. We were up in the snow yesterday ourselves, > enjoying > > some skiing and saw a happy RV pilot come zooming over the top of 7500' > Mt. > > Ashland. Makes you want to hurry up and finish the airplane so you can do > > some zooming yourself! > > > > Question regarding the items you have mounted on the shelf behind the > > firewall. It seems that you will have quite a few things feeding from FWF > > aft, and vice-versa. Are you planning to combine stuff to minimize > > penetrations, or try to keep lengths to a minimum and live with more > > penetrations of your firewall? > > > > Oscar Zuniga > > Medford, Oregon > > mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com > > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > ===============================CorvAIRCRAFT=============================== > > To unsubscribe send "unsubscribe corvaircraft" to"majordomo@usm.edu" > > For help send "info corvaircraft" or "help" to "majordomo@usm.edu" > > -- > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ -- Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at mailto:flykr2s@execpc.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:59:02 -0500 To: From: "rfarmer" Subject: Engine Mount Message-ID: <000e01c1c307$04f46f00$eb5f62d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1C2DD.1A6A0040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I bought a KR-2 in boat stage over a year ago. Great mat & workmanship, = poor documentation I have decided to part it out and I don't know which = engine mount I have. Can anyone tell me the dif between the VW, = Revmaster & ect mounts? PS if you need any parts let me know what you = need I probably have it & can E-Mail digital pix Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net 276-744-7115 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1C2DD.1A6A0040-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 08:52:48 -0500 To: From: "rfarmer" Subject: engine mount Message-ID: <007201c1c383$df34dc00$855d62d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C1C359.F5956980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to Philip for the engine mount dim. I have a mount for the HAPI engine. E-Mail inquires to rfarmer@naxs.net or call 276-744 7115 Bob ------=_NextPart_000_006F_01C1C359.F5956980-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:59:44 -0500 To: rfarmer@naxs.net From: "Philip J. Visconti" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> engine mount Message-ID: <20020304.110134.-144113.0.viscan@juno.com> Bob, Glad I could help. Great Plains has an adapter for HAPI motor mount to fit Diehl and Revmaster accessory cases. Phil ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 19:35:48 -0500 To: From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Check it out Message-ID: <001001c1c314$8d241940$67d180ac@h3n8o4> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1C2EA.9E82E9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LOOKS GREAT I"D SAY !=20 Sure wish i was that far along, I do have a question about the ignition = resistors ( I think) looks like that was what i see on the shelf behind = firewall. I have seen some of those get quite hot sometimes on the = machines I service at work.if the ingition switch is in on position and = engine is not turning over sometimes those things get red hot ya may = wanna put a piece'a fiberfrax under them or a piece of aluminum.=20 I really cant wait to hear the performance results from the = Cor-v-Airforce those kr-s oughta really scoot.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C1C2EA.9E82E9C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 16:55:36 -0800 (PST) To: KR Net From: Wayne Hartman Subject: flaoerons...polliwagen Message-ID: <20020304005536.76905.qmail@web14909.mail.yahoo.com> I posted a question concerning how to make a flaperon "slider/mixer" for the KR. Edwardo Iglesias responded referrinf to some links to the Polliwagen. Can someone tell me how to access that site or link? I saw a drawing on the KR site somewhere (or a link from that site) on the flaperon hookup... Can anyone help? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 20:24:52 -0600 To: From: "Red Ewing" Subject: but Message-ID: <004001c1c323$c823ddf0$ad73ddd8@REDSTOYS> ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1C2F1.79BF1F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable anybody know where I can buy a flying KR-2? Red Ewing 701-337-5485 = ,, rewing@ndak,net ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01C1C2F1.79BF1F80-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 22:38:18 -0500 To: donreid@erols.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> grain direction Message-ID: <20020303.225652.-364055.3.virgnvs@juno.com> The spars ARE laminated in my plans, Virg On Sat, 02 Mar 2002 18:17:53 -0500 Donald Reid writes: > At 01:51 PM 3/2/2002 -0800, Darren Pond wrote: > >Just looking at my wing spars as they have just arrived. Does it > matter > >which way the grain goes on the wing spar caps. Mine are cut for > the > >grain will be parallel to the ground as opposed to right angle to > the ground? > > The previous answer to this question is correct. The orientation is > only > critical when you are laminating. > > > > > Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com > Bumpass, Va > > Visit my web sites at: > KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm > Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm > EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org > Ultralights: http://usua250.org > VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2002 21:42:36 -0800 To: From: "John Bouyea" Cc: Subject: Fw: KR-2 Lost... Message-ID: <002f01c1c33f$63d2f450$1a00a8c0@bou5100> ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1C2FC.555EAE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Brian is trying to find the KR2 his dad built? Can anyone give him a = hand? Thanks, John Bouyea KR2 - N5391M/ in rebuild KR2 - on the gear KR2S - boat stage http://www.bouyea.net john@bouyea.net ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Brian and Amie Eicher=20 To: webmaster@bouyea.net=20 Sent: Sunday, March 03, 2002 5:44 PM Subject: KR-2 Lost... My father built a KR2 in 1978 but had to sell it due to financial = burden. I researched the N number (N2263N) and found that the plane is = registered to=20 =20 Robert J Spaulding 125 W. Hickory Canton, IL. 61520 =20 I did a simple search for his name in Illinois and got several. Do you have any information you can share? =20 Did he communicate to this site lately? =20 Still searching, =20 Brian Eicher =20 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01C1C2FC.555EAE20-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:52:27 -0500 To: From: "rfarmer" Subject: virus Message-ID: <001901c1c37b$7176f660$855d62d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1C351.87BF19E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An E-Mail received from WEBER on the engine mount was infected with the=20 a virus! "w32.badtrans" ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C1C351.87BF19E0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 07:12:06 -0600 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> spoilers, flaps and other things Message-ID: <008701c1c37e$2ffa6840$5f0ca58c@mlangford> > > I recall a light homebuilt aircraft in > > the 70s that used spoilers for roll. I don't recall the name of the > > craft. ( I do remember it had a V-tail) You're probably thinking of Larry Lamm's "Wanderer". There's an article in an old Contact magazine about it. I've talked to Larry about that plane, which is basically a KR on steroids, and he now laments that those spoilers just didn't have enough roll authority at landing speeds. He said he wouldn't build them that way if he were to do it again. That's when I went to split flaps instead. There's nothing wrong with a belly board either, and you could even make a sort of split flap/belly board thing, using the stock KR's tiny flap but replacing them with a long belly board that extends from stub wing to stub wing. Usually when you see something that somebody did 30 years ago and you haven't seen it done since, there's a reason... Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:22:01 -0500 To: From: "James E. Lanier" Subject: Re: KR> spoilers, flaps and other things Message-ID: <001c01c1c3b1$ee5ca040$6601a8c0@jimllaptop> That isn't the craft I was thinking of. The one I was thinking of was bordering on ultralite. Interestingly enough, one of the KR-netters informed me that spoilers are used for turning a B52. The only problem I have with spoilers for roll is that the roll force is non-symetrical. I can see a couple of ways of addressing the long-flaps on a KR. One would be by biasing the normal aileron controls, an another would be a compound surface(ie aileron on a flap surface). Biasing would obviously be easier. I sketched out such a biasing mechanism in Autocad. It seems to be easy..(stay outta here Murphy!) Thanks for the feedback, Jim www.chemroc.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:12 AM Subject: Re: KR> spoilers, flaps and other things > > > I recall a light homebuilt aircraft in > > > the 70s that used spoilers for roll. I don't recall the name of the > > > craft. ( I do remember it had a V-tail) > > You're probably thinking of Larry Lamm's "Wanderer". There's an article in > an old Contact magazine about it. I've talked to Larry about that plane, > which is basically a KR on steroids, and he now laments that those spoilers > just didn't have enough roll authority at landing speeds. He said he > wouldn't build them that way if he were to do it again. That's when I went > to split flaps instead. There's nothing wrong with a belly board either, > and you could even make a sort of split flap/belly board thing, using the > stock KR's tiny flap but replacing them with a long belly board that extends > from stub wing to stub wing. > > Usually when you see something that somebody did 30 years ago and you > haven't seen it done since, there's a reason... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 15:32:45 -0500 To: "James E. Lanier" , From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> spoilers, flaps and other things Message-ID: I'm afraid that I am going to have to expose my ignorance and tell you that I don't know what you are talking about on 'biasing' flaps on a KR..... However, I know that the ailerons have differnetial movement built into the stock control system. In simple terms, more up than down. That will allow you to turn the airplane with the stick only with your feet flat on the floor. So there is no reason to rework them....unless you want to go the aerobatic route and take out the differential so that you will have equal up and down. Then you gotta use the rudder on turns, but you get a MUCH faster roll rate... Could you please explain the 'biasing' that you were refering to....??? Keep on keeping on, Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC See our KR2 at: http://www.jerrymahurin.com On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:22:01 -0500 "James E. Lanier" wrote: >That isn't the craft I was thinking of. The one I was >thinking of was >bordering on ultralite. >Interestingly enough, one of the KR-netters informed me >that spoilers are >used for turning a B52. The only problem I have with >spoilers for roll is >that the roll force is non-symetrical. I can see a couple >of ways of >addressing the long-flaps on a KR. One would be by >biasing the normal >aileron controls, an another would be a compound >surface(ie aileron on a >flap surface). Biasing would obviously be easier. I >sketched out such a >biasing mechanism in Autocad. It seems to be easy..(stay >outta here Murphy!) > >Thanks for the feedback, > >Jim >www.chemroc.com > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Langford" >To: >Sent: Monday, March 04, 2002 8:12 AM >Subject: Re: KR> spoilers, flaps and other things > > >> > > I recall a light homebuilt aircraft in >> > > the 70s that used spoilers for roll. I don't recall >>the name of the >> > > craft. ( I do remember it had a V-tail) >> >> You're probably thinking of Larry Lamm's "Wanderer". >> There's an article >in >> an old Contact magazine about it. I've talked to Larry >>about that plane, >> which is basically a KR on steroids, and he now laments >>that those >spoilers >> just didn't have enough roll authority at landing >>speeds. He said he >> wouldn't build them that way if he were to do it again. >> That's when I >went >> to split flaps instead. There's nothing wrong with a >>belly board either, >> and you could even make a sort of split flap/belly board >>thing, using the >> stock KR's tiny flap but replacing them with a long >>belly board that >extends >> from stub wing to stub wing. >> >> Usually when you see something that somebody did 30 >>years ago and you >> haven't seen it done since, there's a reason... >> >> Mark Langford, Huntsville, AL >> mailto:langford@hiwaay.net >> see KR2S project at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >>"reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >>krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: >>krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at >>http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >> > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >"reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >