From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 15 Apr 2002 23:39:01 -0000 Issue 409 Date: Monday, April 15, 2002 4:39 PM krnet Digest 15 Apr 2002 23:39:01 -0000 Issue 409 Topics (messages 9654 through 9681): Corvair Engine dimensions... 9654 by: joca Re: trim servos 9655 by: ROBERT COOPER 9656 by: Stephen P. Glover 9670 by: virgnvs.juno.com 9672 by: virgnvs.juno.com Trim servo/tabs 9657 by: M&C 9659 by: Frank Ross 9660 by: Mark Jones 9661 by: Frank Ross 9674 by: virgnvs.juno.com New builder 9658 by: almndem.aol.com Re=KR Electric rear view mirrors 9662 by: Robert Stone Power window motor 9663 by: Gary Sprunger Re: Converting kg to lb 9664 by: Serge F. VIDAL 9679 by: Eduardo José Jankosz Flying Squirrel on the gear (off-topic) 9665 by: Oscar Zuniga Re: List traffic 9666 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Z Z Z Z Z 9667 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Work table set up distances 9668 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: To all who order from Aircraft Spruce 9669 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: KRs and spins 9671 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: auto electric motors 9673 by: Dana Overall A S & S/ servo motors 9675 by: nikki 9677 by: Dana Overall Vinal Ester 9676 by: Jim Morehead Project/Website Update 9678 by: Donald Reid To Convert 9680 by: hommevolant.sympatico.ca Trim Tab/servo 9681 by: Phillip Matheson Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 17:09:05 -0300 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "joca" Subject: Corvair Engine dimensions... Message-ID: <000001c1e340$ccc8ac40$6cbac0c8@joaquim> ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1E30D.EAAA64C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could someone tell me the dimensions of Corvair Engine ? Regards. Joaquim Belchior Brazil ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C1E30D.EAAA64C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:34:22 -0400 To: "Tony Alderman" , , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> trim servos Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E33B.5BC690C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am working on a antenna motor for a trim actuatur. I have done some wor= k with it and I think it will work fine. Not ready to mount it yet and I'= m not sure how I will mount it. I have considered mounting it on the elev= erator spar but I would probably have bump on the bottom side of the elev= ator so I may just mount it in the tail and use a nirod from the motor to= the trim tab.I cut off most of the mechanical part of the antenna and us= ed a 6-32 allthread rod through the gear. There is a worm that drives the= gear so the rod turns relative slow. =20 Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Alderman Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 3:30 PM To: lacapps@attbi.com; krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> trim servos Has anyone thought about using the servos from a auto electric seat, windows,skylight ect? Is it practical? Tony Tony Alderman Durham NC t-hawk@mindspring.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1E33B.5BC690C0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 20:17:05 -0700 To: "ROBERT COOPER" , "Tony Alderman" , , "krnet" From: "Stephen P. Glover" Subject: Re: KR> trim servos Message-ID: <002401c1e362$da9fa400$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> Check out this link. http://www.motionsystem.com/index.htm This is the manufacturer of the same flap actuator you see on many Ez's and RV's. There are different sizes and types for your application. I was quoted $200.00 each for the 85615/85616 models which is what the RV's use. Ask Dana, he probably has one in his kit. You can choose whatever stroke you want. Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. n925sg@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:49:15 -0400 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> trim servos Message-ID: <20020414.185413.-199203.14.virgnvs@juno.com> My pontiac seat motors were heavy and complicated. Virg On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 16:15:03 -0700 (PDT) Frank Ross writes: > At SnF, Ron Thomas had an idea for using electric seat > motors and their hardware for landing gear. Sounded > real good. Could also be used for flaps. > Frank > --- Tony Alderman wrote: > > Has anyone thought about using the servos from a > > auto electric seat, > > windows,skylight ect? Is it practical? Tony > > > > Tony Alderman > > Durham NC > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:47:18 -0400 To: t-hawk@mindspring.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: lacapps@attbi.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> trim servos Message-ID: <20020414.185413.-199203.13.virgnvs@juno.com> Remote mirror units?, Virg 13 Apr 2002 15:26:17 -0400 "Tony Alderman" writes: > Has anyone thought about using the servos from a auto electric seat, > windows,skylight ect? Is it practical? Tony > > Tony Alderman > Durham NC > t-hawk@mindspring.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Apr 2002 22:32:17 -0500 To: From: "M&C" Subject: Trim servo/tabs Message-ID: <001a01c1e365$16e08720$60ae4ad1@matandcat> One of the slowest turning and smallest screw jacks you can get from an auto is those contained in the electric rearview mirrors. I tore an old mirror apart just to see what was in there. What I found was two small electric engines that drove two separate screw jacks. I hooked the terminals to a small 12 volt bat. and was amassed at the power developed in the screw jacks. I cut the unit in half so wound up with two very powerfull but very light weight units. Haven't decided to use them yet but they are very small in this configuration so I'm thinking about it. The units are so small they may fit inside of the elevator it's self. Just something for you guys to think about. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:45:08 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: KR> Trim servo/tabs Message-ID: <20020414144508.39465.qmail@web14005.mail.yahoo.com> M&C, Didn't even know they HAD electric rear-view mirrors. What kind of vehicle are you getting these from? Thanks, great idea! Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX. --- M&C wrote: > One of the slowest turning and smallest screw jacks > you can get from an auto > is those contained in the electric rearview mirrors. ===== Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 09:52:35 -0500 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Trim servo/tabs Message-ID: <000501c1e3c4$03fa1220$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> I believe he is referring to the outside rear view mirrors and they can be found on just about any newer car. Excellent Idea. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 9:45 AM Subject: KR> Trim servo/tabs > M&C, > Didn't even know they HAD electric rear-view mirrors. > What kind of vehicle are you getting these from? > Thanks, great idea! > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX. > > --- M&C wrote: > > One of the slowest turning and smallest screw jacks > > you can get from an auto > > is those contained in the electric rearview mirrors. > > > ===== > Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:56:44 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> Trim servo/tabs Message-ID: <20020414145644.98620.qmail@web14001.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Mark, had a "Senior Moment" there. :} I actually happen to have a pair of those (from a wrecked 944 Porsche) stuck away in my storage area. Don't think I'll use them, but who knows? Frank > -- Mark Jones wrote: > I believe he is referring to the outside rear view > mirrors and they can be > found on just about any newer car. Excellent Idea. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:20:56 -0400 To: kae_ar@yahoo.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Trim servo/tabs Message-ID: <20020414.212927.-199203.15.virgnvs@juno.com> Get the 4 way switch for activating them. Elev & aileron trim both, Virg On Sun, 14 Apr 2002 07:56:44 -0700 (PDT) Frank Ross writes: > Thanks Mark, had a "Senior Moment" there. :} > I actually happen to have a pair of those (from a > wrecked 944 Porsche) stuck away in my storage area. > Don't think I'll use them, but who knows? > Frank > > > -- Mark Jones wrote: > > I believe he is referring to the outside rear view > > mirrors and they can be > > found on just about any newer car. Excellent Idea. > > > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > > Wales, WI USA > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 02:02:55 EDT To: KRNet@mailing lists.org From: almndem@aol.com Subject: New builder Message-ID: <11f.f089f2e.29ea758f@aol.com> Hello, my name is Don McHugh and I have been reading your messages on the KR-Net for over six months now and have absorbed all the info on the archives I have been able to access. After much planning and design work I began building My KR2S in early January. But its not really a KR2S, a KR derivative would be more accurate. At 6'2" and 225 lb. I would not fit comfortably in that cockpit with any Human Being I know. So, rather than widen the fuse. by six inches or so, and have a somewhat overweight (with two aboard) KR2S, I am making a spacious, comfortable single seater. I have narrowed the fuse. to 30" and lenthened it 3" forward of the main spar and 9" aft of the rear spar. The wing will have Mark Langford's new airfoil 18% at the root, 15% at the tip. Rather than use the traditional planform of a 7', constant chord center section and tapered outer panels, my wing has a simple taper from root to tip. My center section spans 8' and the spars are laminated with the dihedral break within the fuse.. The main spar caps are laminated of four 2 1/4 x 1/2 x 8' spruce pieces with an additional lamination extending 2.5' from centerline to provide adequate "meat" for the bolts in the Diehl gear casting (taildragger), for a total cap thickness of 2 1/2" at the root. The rear spar cap's dihedral was laminated from three 1 1/2 x 5/16 pieces. Once these were laminated they were ripped into three pieces and then laminated on a jig to provide the forward sweep needed from the fuse. to the tips (My lower rear center section caps were laminated tonight). My reasons for doing the above: A constant taper with the dihedral break in the fuse. allows the flaps to be much longer, mine will be approx. 4'4" and extend to the rear spar. Allow for greater fuel volumn in the wing stubs. And, to me, a more aestheticaly pleasing planform. In addition to lenthening and narrowing the fuse, I have also made the following changes. I have substituted 3/4" for the 5/8" spruce called for in the plans. The forward seven feet of the fuse., to the shoulder harness attach point, is sheathed with 45% birch ply on sides and bottom. The interior fuse. sides will be sheathed with 1/16" ply over 3/4" foam to creat a sandwitch in the area that will contain ME. In reviewing the pictures of crashed KRs, the fuse. appears to breakup at the nose. The traditional orientation of the ply has two plies for and aft and only one verticaly. In the event of a crash or off field landing when the nose digs in only the one, center ply offers resistance to the shear forces while the two, outer longitudinal plies easily split along the grain. I believe using 45% ply will signifigantly stregthen the fuse. in the event of a crash as all three plies will perforn in either tension or compression. Any engineers out there either confirm or deny? To date the fuse. is in boat stage, main spars are complete, center rear spar nearing completion and tail feather spars roughed out. I am building in a hangar at Gillespie field in El Cajon Ca., about ten miles east of San Diego. If anyone has made similar modifications or has any comments, please let me know. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:21:15 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re=KR Electric rear view mirrors Message-ID: <000a01c1e3d0$66ed1240$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1E3A6.7DE4AFA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Netters: I just bought a new car (2002 Cadillac) and it has electric = adjustable from the inside of the car rear view mirrors, (side only) I = think Lincoln, Buick and a few others have it also. This feature has = been in cars long enough for the junk yards to have cars with it so they = are available to builders. =20 Bob Stone, Harker Heights, TX rstone4@hot.rr.com ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C1E3A6.7DE4AFA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 11:18:06 -0600 To: From: "Gary Sprunger" Subject: Power window motor Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E3A6.0CD8DDE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable --- Tony Alderman wrote: > Has anyone thought about using the servos from a > auto electric seat, > windows,skylight ect? Is it practical? Tony I am designing an electric retract system with a locking device more secu= re and simpler using a power window motor. The reduction drive is quite = powerful and micro-switches for stops are readily available. This is for = original taildragger retracting mains and the motor appears to be powerfu= l enough to easily do a tri-retract ala Mooney simple. Will keep you inf= ormed on the progress and testing results. G_Sprunger@msn.com KR2 N5633F= Evergreen, CO =20 ------=_NextPart_001_0001_01C1E3A6.0CD8DDE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 20:06:14 +0200 To: "Frank Ross" , From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: RE: KR> Converting kg to lb Message-ID: Sorry, I forgot to translate. I usually do the conversions before I post, so that all KRNet users can benefit, wherever they live.. I have a nifty piece of software called Converter to do the job for me. This is what the software tells me: My empty weight: 290 kg = 639.34056 lb. My legal maximum take-off weight: 450 kg = 992.08018 lb. My heaviest take-off so far: 530 kg = 1168.44999 lb. Being a trained historian, I am always amused at the fact that despite of the Independence war, the US still clings to the British imperial systems of measures that the Brits themselves have given up decades ago. Serge -----Original Message----- From: Frank Ross [mailto:kae_ar@yahoo.com] Sent: 13 April, 2002 3:45 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Converting kg to lb For those of you unfamiliar with Kilograms (kg)-to-Pounds (lbs) conversions: to change kg to lb, multiply by 2.2. 290 kg x 2.2 = 638 lbs. To change 638 lbs to kg divide by 2.2 638 lb/2.2 = 290 kg Thought you'd like to know. Frank --- "Serge F. VIDAL" wrote: > Empty weight of my KR2 (fixed gear, VW equipped) is > 290 kg measured. > > Gross weight, by law, is 450 Kg. > > I already flew that thing at 530 Kg (by mistake) > without noticing any > difference, despite the very high density altitude > we get here. > > Serge VIDAL > KR2 ZS-WEC > Johannesburg, South Africa __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 18:07:50 -0300 To: "krnet" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Jos=E9_Jankosz?=" Subject: Re: KR> Converting kg to lb Message-Id: <200204152106.g3FL6hx57284@cwbone.bsi.com.br> Hi, Netters! Go to http://www.babylon.com ! There is a good translator Babylon.exe, what farther on had many idioms, had too an excellent program to convert units of temperature, power, length and many more!!!!!! It is free to download!!!! Eduardo José Jankosz jankosz@bsi.com.br http://www.bsi.com.br/cbcb http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/kr2-brasil Curitiba - PR - BRASIL ---------- > De: Serge F. VIDAL > Para: Frank Ross ; krnet@mailinglists.org > Assunto: RE: KR> Converting kg to lb > Data: Domingo, 14 de Abril de 2002 15:06 > > Sorry, I forgot to translate. I usually do the conversions before I post, so > that all KRNet users can benefit, wherever they live.. I have a nifty piece > of software called Converter to do the job for me. This is what the software > tells me: > > > My empty weight: 290 kg = 639.34056 lb. > My legal maximum take-off weight: 450 kg = 992.08018 lb. > My heaviest take-off so far: 530 kg = 1168.44999 lb. > > Being a trained historian, I am always amused at the fact that despite of > the Independence war, the US still clings to the British imperial systems of > measures that the Brits themselves have given up decades ago. > > Serge > > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Ross [mailto:kae_ar@yahoo.com] > Sent: 13 April, 2002 3:45 PM > To: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: KR> Converting kg to lb > > For those of you unfamiliar with Kilograms > (kg)-to-Pounds (lbs) conversions: to change kg to lb, > multiply by 2.2. > 290 kg x 2.2 = 638 lbs. > To change 638 lbs to kg divide by 2.2 > 638 lb/2.2 = 290 kg > Thought you'd like to know. > Frank > > --- "Serge F. VIDAL" wrote: > > Empty weight of my KR2 (fixed gear, VW equipped) is > > 290 kg measured. > > > > Gross weight, by law, is 450 Kg. > > > > I already flew that thing at 530 Kg (by mistake) > > without noticing any > > difference, despite the very high density altitude > > we get here. > > > > Serge VIDAL > > KR2 ZS-WEC > > Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 22:17:42 To: corvaircraft@usm.edu, krnet@mailinglists.org, pietenpol-list@matronics.com From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: Flying Squirrel on the gear (off-topic) Message-ID: Howdy, folks; If anyone cares to see how my little M-19 "Flying Squirrel" a.k.a. "KR Construction Trainer" looks on the gear, I added 3 photos on my home page at http://www.flysquirrel.net/index.html and they are just down from the top of the page. I put the project on the gear in preparation for the 3-day trailer haul down to Texas, coming up on April 22... Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR (soon to be San Antonio, TX) website at http://www.flysquirrel.net do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:00:14 -0400 To: bo124rs@hotmail.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> List traffic Message-ID: <20020414.185413.-199203.6.virgnvs@juno.com> Missed a good KR Dinner Tuesday night, Virg On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 07:19:31 -0400 "Dana Overall" writes: > Well since no one else is talking here goes. Ran into several KR > people at > SNF, ended up having a great time but quickly had all the sun & fun > I could > handle............you know, temps. 86, sunshine, airplanes, > beer........life's rough but someone has to do it. Here are some > pics of > the Extra/Navion get together that I witnessed. My pics are much > smaller as > I don't have a zoom on my camera. Steve Eberhart originally posted > these > for someone else and someone else downsized them. The extra cruised > up on > the tail of the Navion as both were landing. > > http://vondane.tripod.com/extra-navion/ > > Missed the clown show Tuesday morning with the "boys" from Florida. > These > were the two guys (if Stapelton was one of them) that didn't even > pay for > the banquet tickets at the KY gathering because the price of the > dinner was > cheaper and they are putting on the show???. Don't have much use > for these > two clowns. If someone else put it on, my apologies, if not no > apology. > > Had to leave early so I also missed Steve's cookout. I truly wanted > to go > to that as Steve is a true supporter of the KR and puts on a great > dinner. > I did get to catch some of his VW reassembly forum. He had a nice > collection of people. > > Had a great time. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:29:21 -0400 To: t-hawk@mindspring.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: kr2-brasil@yahoogrupos.com.br, myron.freeman@worldnet.att.net, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Z Z Z Z Z Message-ID: <20020414.185413.-199203.2.virgnvs@juno.com> NOT ENOUGH KR's AT Sun N FUN,, Virg On Sun, 7 Apr 2002 22:03:53 -0400 "Tony Alderman" writes: > Sure is quiet with everybody at sun-n-fun .................. I'm > sooooooooo > jealous.. > > > > Tony Alderman > Durham NC > t-hawk@mindspring.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:37:21 -0400 To: geek92@cox-internet.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Work table set up distances Message-ID: <20020414.185413.-199203.12.virgnvs@juno.com> I do not think that that will work. With the stub wings on it you will be off the table, Virg On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:33:48 -0500 "Ricky Farley" writes: > Now that my plans are on order, I'm in the process of setting up the > work bench. I'm building a table that is 4 ft by 16ft long that > will > fit on one side of my garage. My question is how much room do I > need on > one side of it to have the boat on it and still be able to set up > one > side of the wing. I assume I'll be able to rotate the boat around > to > attach the second side. Since the floor is not exactly level, I > want to > get this thing set up so all is level and then not have to move it. > Thanks, > Ricky Farley > San Angelo Texas > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 18:22:51 -0400 To: pmmeyer@swbell.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> To all who order from Aircraft Spruce Message-ID: <20020414.185413.-199203.10.virgnvs@juno.com> Amen, Virg On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:57:46 -0500 Peg and Mike Meyer writes: > Just thought I'd use this forum to relate my miserable experiences > with Aircraft Spruce to all the Krnetters. I don't know if this is a > case of just rolling cold dice or what, but the last three times I > have ordered liquid products for AS they have arrived smashed beyond > all recognition. The latest batch of Aeropoxy arrived with a nice > slow leak and the X-30 expanding foam cans were both mangled so > badly I couldn't get the tops off. Amazingly, they were packed that > way: UPS delivered the box safe and sound and it was obvious that > these products were neatly packed in foam in this crumbled state. I > have tried to be tolerant with these gumbas, but 3 abject failures > is enough for me... Wicks, here I come! > > Mike Meyer > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 17:45:22 -0400 To: kids2fly@nm.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KRs and spins Message-ID: <20020414.185413.-199203.5.virgnvs@juno.com> Thanks Bill, Virg On Mon, 08 Apr 2002 20:37:28 -0700 Manager Bill writes: > I sent this on Friday but I listed .com instead of .org, so it didn't > go > on the net. Mistake corrected. > > To Eduardo Jankosz and the rest of the Net > > Your expert is right: a rounded cross section has less crossflow > drag > than a sharp edged fuselage. However, the rotation speed in a spin > is > quite a bit less than the forward speed, so the effective angle of > yaw > at the tail is at most about 10 or 15 degrees. It is proportionally > less > > between the tail and the wing. Furthermore, a fuselage is much less > effective as a lifting surface that a wing (or a fin) with the > result > that the fuselage contributes much less to the yawing resistance > (called > > "damping in yaw") than does the vertical fin and rudder. So as I > said > before, fuselage cross sectional shape is a relatively minor > consideration in tailspin characteristics.I don't think changing > the > shape of the KR fuselage will have much effect, if any, on its spin > characteristics. > > However, I made another mistake in my note, I said, "Note that if > the > horizontal tail is far forward of the vertical tail, it will > interfere > with the airflow over the fin and rudder at high angle of attack > and > cause it to lose lift. Result: an uncontrollable spin." That is not > so; > if the horizontal tailplane is well forward of the vertical, the > rudder > will be fully exposed to the airflow, and will be able to stop the > spin > about as well as if there were no interference at all. The thing to > avoid is a vertical tail with much less chord than the horizontal > tail, > so that a "fam" from the leading edge of the horizontal about 15 to > 20 > degrees wide extending above the horizontal tail will "blank out" > half > or more of the vertical. > > Now for confession time. I am not building a KR and have never flown > in > one as either pilot or passenger, so I can't tell you anything about > its > > spin characterisitics. I do know a bit about spins, though: my > fifth > hour of dual as a student on Oct 8, 1944, in a 55 HP Taylorcraft, > included "climbing > turns, spins, forced landings" according to my logbook. I still > remember > it well. > > I've been working off and on with Jeannette Rand since about 1984, > primarily on structural analysis and have given several forums for > her > at Oshkosh and at Sun N Fun. In moments of stark raving arrogance I > have > > called myself an aeronautical engineer, but although I have a couple > of > credentials I am still learning. My personal airplane is a 1947 > Navion, > which I've owned since 1977. > > Bill Marcy > Still slipping those surly bonds whenever I can > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:23:01 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> auto electric motors Message-ID: Several years ago, those still on the list (I can count them on one one hand:-) will remember, I did a little test on my speed brake by hurriedly tacking together a frame, wiring up a harness to fit the cig. lighter and drove up and down the runway running the speed brake up and down using a car window motor. Worked great, it's somewhat light and very reliable. Your only true concern are the stock teeth. You will need to come up with something different, as you will strip most OEM teeth with the resistance. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:15:00 -0700 To: From: "nikki" Subject: A S & S/ servo motors Message-ID: <000e01c1e434$1e737540$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E3F9.6FD24E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does anyone with the automotive servo motors in hand, know the weight/ = torque values of these? is it printed on the unit? I was going to use = the MAC servos, but decided against due to cost. would still like to use = a servo motor if I can find a suitable one in a auto wrecking yard. In = regards to Aircraft Spruce, Ive personally had mixed results with them. = I went in to the Corona store once, And they told me they didnt have = anyone that could cut fabric!!I just drove 800+ miles from Colorado, and = they cant cut fabric! I felt like buying them some plastic safety = scissors. The only time i had them ship anything, I ordered a half sheet = of 3/32 birch for my wing spars, Grain running across the SHORT = dimension. Explained this for 15 minutes . Guess what I got? The 3 times = I ordered from Wicks, it arrived promptly and in good shape( aluminum/ = bolts/ insturments) Wicks also went out of their way to locate = something for me. Happy Building, Jim Sporka ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C1E3F9.6FD24E60-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 07:11:57 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> A S & S/ servo motors Message-ID: Gang, I know the cost of a MAC (or whatever they are called now) is a little pricey, my own opinion is they work great. I installed the middle throw servo in the elevator of my KR and fit is great. Build yourself a bracket, rivet the servo on it and bolt it to the forward elevator spar. It fits perfectly!! All you do then is fabricate a small servo cover. Tom Crawford put this same unit on his KR and has had good results. The white wiring harness they send you is very simple to install and makes for a very clean, light weight installation. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: "nikki" >Reply-To: "nikki" >To: >Subject: KR> A S & S/ servo motors >Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:15:00 -0700 > >Does anyone with the automotive servo motors in hand, know the weight/ >torque values of these? is it printed on the unit? I was going to use the >MAC servos, but decided against due to cost. would still like to use a >servo motor if I can find a suitable one in a auto wrecking yard. In >regards to Aircraft Spruce, Ive personally had mixed results with them. I >went in to the Corona store once, And they told me they didnt have anyone >that could cut fabric!!I just drove 800+ miles from Colorado, and they cant >cut fabric! I felt like buying them some plastic safety scissors. The only >time i had them ship anything, I ordered a half sheet of 3/32 birch for my >wing spars, Grain running across the SHORT dimension. Explained this for 15 >minutes . Guess what I got? The 3 times I ordered from Wicks, it arrived >promptly and in good shape( aluminum/ bolts/ insturments) Wicks also went >out of their way to locate something for me. Happy Building, Jim Sporka _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:59:21 -0700 To: KR- Net From: Jim Morehead Subject: Vinal Ester Message-ID: Netters, I bought a gallon of vinyl ester resin with 4 oz. of catalyst. It did not come with any information on mixing. I went to the Aircraft Spruce Catalog and they show that for warm weather and 20 to 40 min. for gel time to use 1.25 percent MEKP. For 6 oz of resin that would only be 0.075 oz. My scale measures in tenths not hundreds. How have others figured the amount of MEKP to use per oz of resin? Thanks, Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 12:27:02 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Project/Website Update Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020415122454.009e6cf0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_13473223==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have finished my engine mount and posted a few pictures on my website. Progress continues slowly. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_13473223==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 17:42:52 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Subject: To Convert Message-Id: <20020415214252.JGZY26082.tomts22-srv.bellnexxia.net@[209.226.175.15]> I got one that can convert: Speed, Temperature, Time, torque, Volume, Volume/Dry, Acceleration, Angle, Area, Computer, Concentration, Custom, Density, Distance, Energy, Flow, Force, Light, Mass, Power and Pressure on a simple Click I can E-Mail it to anybody who want it Regards to everybody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 09:37:30 +1000 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Trim Tab/servo Message-ID: <004a01c1e4d6$8927b660$0100a8c0@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1E52A.55C8E1A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Very interesting reading all this servo stuff, BUT the last thing you need in flight is a failed Trim Servo stuck in = the wrong location. If you must use electric trim please use a good one. Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ------=_NextPart_000_0047_01C1E52A.55C8E1A0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************