From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 8 May 2002 02:47:35 -0000 Issue 423 Date: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 7:47 PM krnet Digest 8 May 2002 02:47:35 -0000 Issue 423 Topics (messages 9966 through 9995): boiling plywood skins. 9966 by: Jerry Morris 9974 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Elevator Push Rod ??? 9967 by: Sam Sayer PROPELLER SELECTION 9968 by: JIM VANCE Re: Deihl gear 9969 by: John Bouyea Re: flutter / Bingalis books 9970 by: Mr. Bryce Guenther Re: Instrument Panel 9971 by: Serge F. VIDAL Re: fuel tank vents 9972 by: Serge F. VIDAL 4 Place KR? 9973 by: William Miller KR 4 seater 9975 by: mike 9984 by: Daniel Heath 9989 by: virgnvs.juno.com Building choice 9976 by: David French 9977 by: David French KR2 Control Drawings, TR-3-A 9978 by: Phillip Matheson corvair cranks 9979 by: Wayne 9985 by: Mark Langford Re: Re:Wing attach fittings 9980 by: Joseph H Horton 9988 by: virgnvs.juno.com 9992 by: Jerry . charter.net waf's 9981 by: jim . synergy design Diehl gear 9982 by: broe13.comcast.net 9991 by: Jerry . charter.net 9994 by: Mark Jones elevator/aileron pushrod drawing 9983 by: Mark Langford AeroPoxy Lite Filler - In good graces 9986 by: Daniel Heath 9993 by: Ron Eason WAF 9987 by: Robert Stone 9990 by: Mark Langford VW engines 9995 by: Ron Eason Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 08:04:35 -0600 To: "Audrey and Harold Woods" From: "Jerry Morris" cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: boiling plywood skins. Message-ID: <3CD7DEF3.B58B5796@nsc.com> what does the boiling test prove? stupid question, but i have all ways wondered. thanks jerry Audrey and Harold Woods wrote: > One day at a local lumberyard (in Canada) I saw a pile of mahogany door skins. The surface on both sides was flawless. It was about 1/8 inch thick . Cost = $6.50 Can each. I bought one took it home and put a spotlight on one side and looked over the other to try to see the core. I could not detect cavities etc. I took samples about 6 x 6 inch and boiled them in water for two hours.One was left to dry and the other was examined. The glue had held tight. I went back and bought enough to do the fuselage. I wish that I had bought more. I cannot find any more now. It would have been nice to have for future projects. Keep yr eyes open but do a boil test on all glues in plywood. Harold Woods. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:31:50 -0400 To: Jerry.Morris@nsc.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: audreyandharoldwoods@rogers.com, krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> boiling plywood skins. Message-ID: <20020507.164729.-261815.0.virgnvs@juno.com> That the glue will hold as in the aircraft Plywood. Virg 07 May 2002 08:04:35 -0600 "Jerry Morris" writes: > what does the boiling test prove? > stupid question, but i have all ways wondered. > thanks jerry > > > > Audrey and Harold Woods wrote: > > > One day at a local lumberyard (in Canada) I saw a pile of mahogany > door skins. The surface on both sides was flawless. It was about 1/8 > inch thick . Cost = $6.50 Can each. I bought one took it home and > put a spotlight on one side and looked over the other to try to see > the core. I could not detect cavities etc. I took samples about 6 > x 6 inch and boiled them in water for two hours.One was left to dry > and the other was examined. The glue had held tight. I went back > and bought enough to do the fuselage. I wish that I had bought more. > I cannot find any more now. It would have been nice to have for > future projects. Keep yr eyes open but do a boil test on all glues > in plywood. Harold Woods. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:46:45 -0400 To: "Mark LANGFORD" , "KR Mailing Lists" From: "Sam Sayer" Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Push Rod ??? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F5B4.7B33DF40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Mark: I have R&R KR-2 book #63 purchased in 1984, up dated in 1980. = There are no drawings referred to TR-2 Or any other designation. Maybe = the TR-3-A Refers to the long lost KR-3. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 8:43 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Elevator Push Rod ??? =20 Phillip Matheson wrote: >>I have elevator Controls drawing TR-3-A 5/Feb/1982 It says to use 1-1/8 4130 tube for pushrod and 490 -HT11P ropd ends with REB3N2 rod ends.<< Elevator pushrods? Now THAT's a new one on me! I thought it was cable f= rom stick to elevator bellcrank, at least that's what my January 1990 drawing= on page 59 shows, as well as everything else I have. I didn't get any such drawing with my KR2/KR2S drawing package. Can you elaborate on this some= ? Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/Get more = from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F5B4.7B33DF40-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 10:15:11 -0500 To: From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: PROPELLER SELECTION Message-ID: <00ba01c1f5da$32d85ac0$35000a0a@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C1F5B0.1262D240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm building a KR-2 with a 1835cc VW engine. I'm ready to order a = propeller. I built a Murphy Renegade two years ago, and used a Warp = Drive ground adjustable propeller. It is very easy to precisely set the = blade pitch and am pleased with it. However, the speed range of the = Renegade is 35 mph stall, 65-70 cruise, and 120 Vne. With the speed range of a KR, I believe that I need a propeller with = significant twist to the blades to accommodate the wide speed range. = Otherwise, the majority of the inside diameter of the propeller becomes = drag only, rather than thrust, at cruise speeds. A good example of what = I'm talking about is the high twist found on the propellers of Eze and = Velocity aircraft. Since I am using a rear drive, I don't have the moment of intertia = limitations that the normal propeller attachment has on the VW engine. My question: Is the twist of the propeller blade significant in the = efficiency of the propeller throughout the speed range of a KR? If so, = what suppliers would have a ground adjustable propeller that would have = the required twist. I talked with Stuart Gort at Powerfin, and he was = honest enough to tell me that their blade configuration would not give = me safe takeoff and climb performance and also optimum cruise. What now, coach(s)? Jim Vance ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01C1F5B0.1262D240-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:17:45 -0700 To: From: "John Bouyea" Cc: Subject: RE: Deihl gear Message-ID: <001801c1f5da$5780f7b0$1a00a8c0@bou5100> ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1F59F.AAB6DAC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The taildragger gear leg has a straight cut on one side. The trigear = leg has a double taper cut. The bracket on both ends of the leg are the = same. I have both gear assemblies. Deihl Aeronautical phone # is = 918.299.4445 If you want to swap gear legs or buy the tail gear assembly off my just = converted KR2, email me off-line. I hope this helps. =20 John Bouyea KR2 - N5391M/ in rebuild KR2 - on the gear KR2S - boat stage http://www.bouyea.net john@bouyea.net Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:37:15 -0400 To: From: Subject: Deihl gear Looking at buying a KR2s that has a Deihl Tri-gear setup - nose gear not = =3D installed as of yet. What do I need to change it to a taildragger - =3D (new gear or just new brackets) and what is the best tail spring and =3D wheel out there. My first KR had a small tailwheel that Made a racket = =3D when touchdown - the aft compartment amplified it to a very loud = roar.=3D20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C1F59F.AAB6DAC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:41:35 -0400 To: flesner@midwest.net (larry flesner), krnet@mailinglists.org From: flykrs@netscape.net (Mr. Bryce Guenther) Subject: RE: KR> flutter / Bingalis books Message-ID: <1E934A97.6C2C496C.00062CFF@netscape.net> larry flesner wrote: Erie feelings several years ago I was working a 15,000 acre ranch in N. CALIFORNIA outta Red Bluff. Tracking along the range I came across an elevator one half of it anyway. It made me wonder if the pilot made to the destination. My concious was certainly touched by the gravity of such a find. > > >Netters, > >Several post on "control surface flutter" lately.  I'll add my "opinion" >to the mix.   > > __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:10:37 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: RE: KR> Instrument Panel Message-ID: Also, your panel has to leave enough space for the instruments. Beware! Some of them (especially panel mounted radios) can be very deep! Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com] Sent: 04 May, 2002 6:29 AM To: Tim Brown; Group KR NET Subject: Re: KR> Instrument Panel Tim, There is no real rocket science to the location of the panel. Mine was located 2 inches in front of D only because this was the most comfortable reach for me when I sat in the seat. To each his own on the location. I also moved mine as far as possible forward to allow for ease of entry into the cockpit. By this, I mean leg room when entering and exiting. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Brown" To: "Group KR NET" Sent: Friday, May 03, 2002 11:04 PM Subject: KR> Instrument Panel > To all: > > Is there "rocket science" involved in locating > the instrument panel or is it merely placed at a > "comfortable" location based on the size of the > builder?(ie I am 6'3") > > I notice that Mark L has his at the "D" truss > location and it appears from web site photos that > Mark Jones has his about 2 to 3 inches farther > forward of this. > > I am using RR prefab canopy frame and top deck > parts if that makes any difference to the > responses. > > Thanks much, > > Tim > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness > http://health.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:10:40 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: RE: KR> fuel tank vents Message-ID: Rick, My fuel tank just has a vented fuel cap. And my wing tanks don't even have their own vents: they are connected to the header tank. This is a proven solution (330 flight hours so far). Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa -----Original Message----- From: RICK WILSON [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] Sent: 04 May, 2002 9:07 PM To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: KR> fuel tank vents HI, I WOULD LIKE SOME INPUT OR IDEAS AS TO THE PROPER INSTALLATION OF A VENT LINE FOR MY MAIN FUEL TANK. IT IS NOW COMING OUT OF THE TANK AT THE TOP FRONT AND ROUTED OUT THROUGH THE FIREWALL AT THE TOP JUST UNDER FRONT DECK. WHEN IT EXITS THE FIREWALL, IT TURNS DOWN AND EXITS INTO THE AIRSTREAM AT THE BOTTOM REAR OF THE COWL. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THIS WILL WORK OK, OR DOES IT NEED TO BE RUN SOME OTHER WAY. IT IS HIGH ENOUGH IN THE TANK SO AS NOT TO START A SIPHON, I WAS JUST WONDERING IF THERE IS ANY WAY THE AIR AT FLYING SPEED COULD DRAW GAS THROUGH THE VENT. IF ANYONE HAS EXPERIENCE WITH THIS TYPE SETUP, OR KNOWS OF ANY PROBLEM WITH IT, I WOULD APPRECIATE YOUR SUGGESTIONS. THANKS, RICK WILSON. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:38:26 -0400 To: From: "William Miller" Subject: 4 Place KR? Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C1F5DD.3A7E0740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can anyone help me get in touch with the individual in south africa who = built a 4 place KR? an email address would be great. Thanks, Bill ------=_NextPart_000_0072_01C1F5DD.3A7E0740-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:37:50 -0400 To: From: "mike" Subject: KR 4 seater Message-ID: <001b01c1f60f$708b3c40$6400a8c0@wolftreeinc.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1F5ED.E8FC7D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable go to http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Valley/2636/ this is carlton = blantfords site i got curious after someone mentioned it and looked = around there it was=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1F5ED.E8FC7D00-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:32:33 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> KR 4 seater Message-ID: This does not look like a 4 seater, but thanks for the site. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: mike [mailto:mike@wolftreeinc.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 2:38 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> KR 4 seater go to http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Valley/2636/ this is carlton blantfords site i got curious after someone mentioned it and looked around there it was --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:05:51 -0400 To: mike@wolftreeinc.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR 4 seater Message-ID: <20020507.220604.-261815.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Kike to know the weight and balance on that, Virg On Tue, 7 May 2002 17:37:50 -0400 "mike" writes: > go to http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline/Valley/2636/ this is carlton > blantfords site i got curious after someone mentioned it and looked > around there it was > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:10:35 +1200 To: "KRNET" From: "David French" Subject: Building choice Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F678.98398760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Danny, I won't tell anyone to go to hell (need all the help I can get). In respo= nse to your suggestion though, I have to say I hadn't thought about build= ing the 2 as a single seater. However I had planned to build one of each = of the KR models in order.(including the 3 if I can manage it). Air under your wheels. David FrenchGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://e= xplorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C1F678.98398760-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:57:43 +1200 To: "gleone" From: "David French" Cc: "KRNET" Subject: Re: KR> Building choice Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1F67F.2E3E5140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gene, If I find a set of plans for the KR-3 I'll be letting everyone know but I= m not holding my breath to be honest. I'm thinking it might have to be a = case of working it all out instead. David ----- Original Message ----- From: gleone Sent: Wednesday, 8 May 2002 10:52 To: David French Subject: Re: KR> Building choice Dave, If you find a set of plans for the KR-3, I'd really like to know. It sou= nds like an interesting plane. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming David French wrote: > Hi Danny, > > I won't tell anyone to go to hell (need all the help I can get). In res= ponse to your suggestion though, I have to say I hadn't thought about bui= lding the 2 as a single seater. However I had planned to build one of eac= h of the KR models in order.(including the 3 if I can manage it). > > Air under your wheels. > > David FrenchGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http:/= /explorer.msn.comGet more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : htt= p://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C1F67F.2E3E5140-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 09:02:01 +1000 To: From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: KR2 Control Drawings, TR-3-A Message-ID: <003b01c1f552$0be27b40$7796dccb@barry> ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1F5A5.DABE5440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I Will post my drawings to Mark, today 8th May. It will be good to hear Mark's comments on these drawings Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au Australia. ------=_NextPart_000_0038_01C1F5A5.DABE5440-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:50:49 -0700 To: From: "Wayne" Subject: corvair cranks Message-ID: <002d01c1f622$050948a0$20c2d8c0@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1F5E7.5749F640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was wondering if those of you using corvair conversions are using a = specially designed crank. In my experience with corvair engines, the = timing gear/flywheel flange is pressed on with a single woodruff key. I = have had three of these come off during drag racing and I wouldn't want = a prop attached to it unless it was welded. Then again maybe you are = driving the prop via a front prop hub like the vw. just food for = thought Wayne ------=_NextPart_000_002A_01C1F5E7.5749F640-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:33:36 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> corvair cranks Message-ID: <0a6601c1f630$60328030$0100a8c0@TD310> "Wayne" wrote: >>I was wondering if those of you using corvair conversions are using a specially designed crank. In my experience with corvair engines, the timing gear/flywheel flange is pressed on with a single woodruff key. I have had three of these come off during drag racing and I wouldn't want a prop attached to it unless it was welded. << There's a big difference in a low horsepower engine swinging a lightweight prop whose only drag is the air, versus a pumped-up drag engine dumping a clutch connected to a transmission that's connected to sticky tires that have a thousand pounds sitting on top of them. No Corvair aircraft engine has ever sheared one of those keys, until recently, and that one was running a Rinker redrive. Torsional vibration is suspected, but still under investigation. He landed safely. There is a CorvAircraft list devoted to the Corvair engines in aircraft where you may want to continue this discussion. You may subscribe by sending a message with "subscribe corvaircraft" in the body to majordomo@usm.edu. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:06:13 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Joseph H Horton Subject: Fw: Re:Wing attach fittings Message-ID: <20020507.200613.-325611.0.joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com> KR Netters' It was interesting to see all the talk on wing attach fittings. My Tech counciler was out to check out my progress yesterday and the wing attach fittings bothered him to no end. He sad that he would have designed something different. ( I didn't ask him to expand on that) He questioned the material if it was 4130, was it normalized after machining. He said that I should have radiused all the edges and polished. He was concerned about inbrittlement at the edges as you can still see how they were sheared. And then I should have cad plated them. He also questioned the method of attachment that was just discussed. His only somewhat positive coment was that the 4130 would proably fail before any AN bolt would. BTW the wing attach fittings that I have installed were purchased from Rand Robinson in '97. The Tech also said that I would need documtation on the fittings for the DAR. Any thoughts on any of these comments. Thanks -- Joe Horton ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:51:45 -0400 To: joe.kr2s.builder@juno.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Re:Wing attach fittings Message-ID: <20020507.220604.-261815.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Show the reciept from RR, Methinks he oversteps his authority. Many KR's flying W/ RR supplied fittings. Virg On Tue, 7 May 2002 20:06:13 -0400 Joseph H Horton writes: > > KR Netters' > It was interesting to see all the talk on wing attach > fittings. My Tech > counciler was out to check out my progress yesterday and the wing > attach > fittings bothered him to no end. He sad that he would have designed > > something different. ( I didn't ask him to expand on that) He > questioned > the material if it was 4130, was it normalized after machining. He > said > that I should have radiused all the edges and polished. He was > concerned > about inbrittlement at the edges as you can still see how they were > sheared. And then I should have cad plated them. He also questioned > the > method of attachment that was just discussed. His only somewhat > positive coment was that the 4130 would proably fail before any AN > bolt > would. BTW the wing attach fittings that I have installed were > purchased > from Rand Robinson in '97. The Tech also said that I would need > documtation on the fittings for the DAR. Any thoughts on any of > these > comments. Thanks -- Joe Horton > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:31:01 -0700 To: , From: "Jerry @ charter.net" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Re:Wing attach fittings Message-ID: <006301c1f651$8ad0d410$2b1af118@oldmyrddin> I said I wasn't going there, but..... Ever hear of a wing falling off a KR.... I have personally seen broken outer spars with the wing attach assembly still together; and it had not pulled out of either spar either. By the way, one of these was held together with the spacer arrangement also..... Back into the foxhole.... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 6:51 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Re:Wing attach fittings > Show the reciept from RR, Methinks he oversteps his authority. > Many KR's flying W/ RR supplied fittings. > Virg > > On Tue, 7 May 2002 20:06:13 -0400 Joseph H Horton > writes: > > > > KR Netters' > > It was interesting to see all the talk on wing attach > > fittings. My Tech > > counciler was out to check out my progress yesterday and the wing > > attach > > fittings bothered him to no end. He sad that he would have designed > > > > something different. ( I didn't ask him to expand on that) He > > questioned > > the material if it was 4130, was it normalized after machining. He > > said > > that I should have radiused all the edges and polished. He was > > concerned > > about inbrittlement at the edges as you can still see how they were > > sheared. And then I should have cad plated them. He also questioned > > the > > method of attachment that was just discussed. His only somewhat > > positive coment was that the 4130 would proably fail before any AN > > bolt > > would. BTW the wing attach fittings that I have installed were > > purchased > > from Rand Robinson in '97. The Tech also said that I would need > > documtation on the fittings for the DAR. Any thoughts on any of > > these > > comments. Thanks -- Joe Horton > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 18:45:20 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: waf's Message-ID: <000c01c1f632$0461cac0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F5F7.56BC6900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joe, the punched wafs from R-R were suspect because they had sent some = out that were not normalized(heated, then allowed to cool). In the = annealed state, they are useless. if you are not sure,take them to a = machine shop with a hardness tester. they have to be punched in the = annealed state, or they would be too tough to work. I had R-R waf's on = the first K-R i started to build( it came with the kit I bought. I threw = them away, I also worked in a machine shop and had the means to build my = own. I just recievied my set from TET. they are top quality and well = worth the money. (thanks Mark and Dean!) But I think I got the last set = they had available. Yours may be O.K., however you should ALWAYS clean = up all edges,scratches, etc, as they are prone to developing cracks with = even the smallest nick. This goes for all your aluminum fittings as = well. Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C1F5F7.56BC6900-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 20:33:17 -0400 To: krnet From: broe13@comcast.net Subject: Diehl gear Message-id: <016c01c1f627$f27b2a40$05d02c44@vineln01.nj.comcast.net> Some one was asking if the Diehl gear was the same for taildragger and nose gear. I got the off the Diehl website. The Gear legs are shipped precut and the edges are chamferred. The taildragger conversion mounts the main gear on the forward side of the main spar with castings bolted on just outside the fuselage sides. The gear legs angle forward. The tri-gear mounts the gear legs on the aft side of the main spar with the legs angling back.>>> The tail dragger version of the gear leg has a straight leading edge from top to bottom. The tri-gear version has a crook on both sides of the leg. << From: "Jerry @ charter.net" Subject: Re: KR> Diehl gear Message-ID: <004401c1f650$0e5f55b0$2b1af118@oldmyrddin> The main gear and castings and gear legs are the same whether it is a tail dragger or tri(cycle). The only difference is how you arrange the parts and which side of the spar that you mount it on; and which side you put the soda straw in for the brake lines.... The parts are all the same..... (I think.....) As virg sez.... Yer makin me talk too much..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "krnet" Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:33 PM Subject: KR> Diehl gear > Some one was asking if the Diehl gear was the same for taildragger and nose > gear. I got the off the Diehl website. > > The Gear legs are shipped precut and the edges are chamferred. The > taildragger conversion mounts the main gear on the forward side of the main > spar with castings bolted on just outside the fuselage sides. The gear legs > angle forward. The tri-gear mounts the gear legs on the aft side of the main > spar with the legs angling back.>>> The tail dragger version of the gear leg > has a straight leading edge from top to bottom. The tri-gear version has a > crook on both sides of the leg. << > Rgds., Bob Roe > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:47:02 -0500 To: "Jerry @ charter.net" , "krnet" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Diehl gear Message-ID: <008801c1f63a$a3db9f60$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Wrong, the sets are different for tail dragger and tri-gear arrangements. I have the Diehl Plans in my hands and here is a paragraph from his plans: The gear legs are shipped precut and chamfered. The taildragger conversion mounts the main gear on the forward side of the main spar with castings bolted on just outside the fuselage sides. The gear legs angle forward. The tri-gear mounts the gear legs on the aft side of the main spar with the legs angling back. The tail dragger version of the gear leg has a straight leading edge from the top to the bottom.The tri-gear version has a crook on both sides of the leg. The arrow points forward. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry @ charter.net" To: "krnet" Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: Re: KR> Diehl gear > The main gear and castings and gear legs are the same whether it is a tail > dragger or tri(cycle). The only difference is how you arrange the parts and > which side of the spar that you mount it on; and which side you put the soda > straw in for the brake lines.... The parts are all the same..... (I > think.....) > > As virg sez.... Yer makin me talk too much..... > > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "krnet" > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 5:33 PM > Subject: KR> Diehl gear > > > > Some one was asking if the Diehl gear was the same for taildragger and > nose > > gear. I got the off the Diehl website. > > > > The Gear legs are shipped precut and the edges are chamferred. The > > taildragger conversion mounts the main gear on the forward side of the > main > > spar with castings bolted on just outside the fuselage sides. The gear > legs > > angle forward. The tri-gear mounts the gear legs on the aft side of the > main > > spar with the legs angling back.>>> The tail dragger version of the gear > leg > > has a straight leading edge from top to bottom. The tri-gear version has a > > crook on both sides of the leg. << > > > Rgds., Bob Roe > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:23:59 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: elevator/aileron pushrod drawing Message-ID: <001501c1f62f$09747f10$7600a8c0@athlon600> KRNetHeads, I've uploaded the hand sketch of that elevator AND aileron pushrod setup to the web, at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/kcontrol.html#update . Note the integral spring-based trim tab! It'll be interesting to find out the origins of this drawing. I also put some pictures there of Troy Petteway's new stick setup. This is all near the bottom, so you might have to wait a while if you're on a slow modem. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:36:26 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: AeroPoxy Lite Filler - In good graces Message-ID: The AeroPoxy sanded like a dream. I am going to take the suggestions you gave me and stir it up real good, but even if I have to put it on thick, it is better than anything I have ever used for this purpose. Beats bondo in every way. If it does not thin up a bit, I have some stuff that I am going to use to conduct a little test to see if it works. If it does, I will let you know, but I hope I don't need it. Thanks for all the good words. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:39:11 -0500 To: "Daniel Heath" , "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> AeroPoxy Lite Filler - In good graces Message-ID: <000b01c1f639$89db1650$95621e41@Administration> Use a hair dryer after you spread it out, the viscosity will change dramatically. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 11:36 PM Subject: KR> AeroPoxy Lite Filler - In good graces > The AeroPoxy sanded like a dream. I am going to take the suggestions you > gave me and stir it up real good, but even if I have to put it on thick, it > is better than anything I have ever used for this purpose. Beats bondo in > every way. > > If it does not thin up a bit, I have some stuff that I am going to use to > conduct a little test to see if it works. If it does, I will let you know, > but I hope I don't need it. > > Thanks for all the good words. > > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: > > http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242 at: > > WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:56:34 -0500 To: "KRNet" , "Mark Langford" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: WAF Message-ID: <000801c1f633$989437e0$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1F609.AC56E900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark: I have heard nothing but high praise for your and Dr Deans WAF. = I just read a post indicating that you two had sold your last set. Is = there going to be another production run? With the excellent reputation = they have, I am sure there would be a market Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C1F609.AC56E900-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:14:58 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> WAF Message-ID: <0aa201c1f636$299d0df0$0100a8c0@TD310> Robert Stone wrote: >>Mark: I have heard nothing but high praise for your and Dr Deans WAF. I just read a post indicating that you two had sold your last set. Is there going to be another production run? With the excellent reputation they have, I am sure there would be a market<< Dr. Dean is about to relocate his family to another state, and is in a major state of "flux". Maybe if I volunteer to handle this batch he'll get the ball rolling. But come to think of it, I'll be conducting a traveling road show of the bomb squad circuit this summer, so I might be a little out of pocket myself (you don't want to know). We'll work on it though. The good news is that I might have time to improve on my web page some while I'm on the road. The bad news is that the summer might slide by without me getting my needed KR bodywork completed. The other good news is that Bass Ale is available on tap in most large US cities... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:47:35 -0500 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: VW engines Message-ID: <002001c1f63a$b6768040$95621e41@Administration> In my quest for new VW technology and power to weight ratios, more power per cylinder, better cooling and etc. I have found this site www.lnengineering.com which sells lighter stronger and cooler cylinders with CNC machining. A bite pricy but I think you get what you pay for, alot of value. KRRon ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************