From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 24 May 2002 12:19:16 -0000 Issue 436 Date: Friday, May 24, 2002 5:19 AM krnet Digest 24 May 2002 12:19:16 -0000 Issue 436 Topics (messages 10342 through 10371): Original Messages 10342 by: Larry A. Capps 2002 KR Gathering Dates? 10343 by: Peter Johnson 10344 by: Mark Jones Re: KR PEOPLE LIST 10345 by: Shawn Christopherson 10346 by: cartera 10347 by: Shawn Christopherson Mead...... 10348 by: Jerry Mahurin jdbgmgr.exe virus 10349 by: Audrey and Harold Woods 10351 by: Stéfan Balatchev 10357 by: Larry Deckert Fuel Tanks 10350 by: Keith S Melvill virus hoax ? 10352 by: Audrey and Harold Woods Re: jdbgmgr.exe virus HOAX! IT'S A BLOODY HOAX! 10353 by: gleone 10354 by: Eduardo José Jankosz sawing foam 10355 by: Oscar Zuniga Speaking of Foam 10356 by: Mark Jones 10358 by: virgnvs.juno.com 10359 by: Larry A. Capps 10361 by: Daniel Heath 10362 by: Daniel Heath 10365 by: Rick Wilson 10369 by: Daniel Heath builder groups 10360 by: David McKelvey Epoxy alergies 10363 by: ROBERT COOPER 10364 by: Darren Pond 10366 by: David French glueing foam 10367 by: jim . synergy design Washout, KR-2S...LONG! 10368 by: Paolo Cavazzuti Re: Epoxy allergies 10370 by: Dana Overall RE:foam and another stupid question 10371 by: mike Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:51:35 -0500 To: From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Original Messages Message-ID: <000501c201da$d7c49c40$0600a8c0@schpankme> KRNet, High my name is Larry A. Capps and I'm a KRNet postaholic! I'm not picking on any one, but these mile long strings of "ORIGINAL MESSAGES" posts to the KRNet are getting WAY out of hand. Be conscientious in resourcefulness the KRNet Archives present, and learn when REPLAYIing to an post, to trim your "ORIGINAL MESSAGE" lines down to the bare minimum. The reason for this is two fold: 1.) when you search the archives for a word. phrase, or members name, you won't have to read the same email dozens of times trying to locate your subject matter. 2.) the archival data base is very large as is, having the same posts saved ...over and over and over and over and over (get my point), only creates slow downs, and storage problems. If you haven't taken the time to research the archives, I'd highly recommend you taking 2 to 4 hours and surf them to your hearts content. You will be amazed what's there, and has already been discussed. http://www.bouyea.net/digests/Default.htm - Search Engine http://kr.abshier.org/database.html - Another excellent search engine http://63.69.213.180/newtech/project_viking/ - FAQ's (needs finishing, any volunteers)? Keep those KR building ideas, and work saving ideas, and KR info flowing; but do it with a little more self awareness of what will end up in the Archives. I am as guilty as the rest, and became self aware of the archival problem by visiting them on a regular bases, and for all the great tips and info found there, one must spend hours wading through the same posts and unwanted posts. Kindest Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:48:00 -0700 To: From: "Peter Johnson" Subject: 2002 KR Gathering Dates? Message-ID: <000201c201f4$004a1be0$6da5e2d1@peter> ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C20119.8F131D80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Mike, what are the dates for the gathering? I just might be able to make it!!!! mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------=_NextPart_000_00D9_01C20119.8F131D80-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:55:03 -0500 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> 2002 KR Gathering Dates? Message-ID: <000a01c201ec$17df1240$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Here is all the KR Gathering information: http://www.krgathering.org/ Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html Hi Mike, what are the dates for the gathering? I just might be able to make it!!!! mailto:pjohnson@voyageur.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:28:38 -0400 To: From: "Shawn Christopherson" Subject: RE: KR>KR PEOPLE LIST Message-ID: Hello all, I will definitely share my story as soon as I make that first flight. I have done plenty of taxi testing and fast-taxi testing. It tracks very straight (taildragger) and I can't wait to get flying. I am sitting in the center and it has the original retracts. This has caused me to move my gear arm towards the center a little to make it more comfortable on my left leg. I am almost done with that, so I hope to fly by the end of this long weekend. Hopefully my ground crew will be available. I have been delayed by weather for weeks. You can see some photos and a little info at my website. Shawn Christopherson http://ifly85.tripod.com Gardner, MA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:38:52 -0600 To: Shawn Christopherson From: cartera CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR>KR PEOPLE LIST Message-ID: <3CEC3A1C.296554AE@cuug.ab.ca> Hi Shawn, Says it's not there just the prom fashions! Shawn Christopherson wrote: > > Hello all, > > I will definitely share my story as soon as I make that first flight. I > have done plenty of taxi testing and fast-taxi testing. It tracks very > straight (taildragger) and I can't wait to get flying. I am sitting in the > center and it has the original retracts. This has caused me to move my gear > arm towards the center a little to make it more comfortable on my left leg. > I am almost done with that, so I hope to fly by the end of this long > weekend. Hopefully my ground crew will be available. I have been delayed > by weather for weeks. You can see some photos and a little info at my > website. > > Shawn Christopherson > http://ifly85.tripod.com > Gardner, MA > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 20:59:28 -0400 To: From: "Shawn Christopherson" Subject: RE: KR>KR PEOPLE LIST Message-ID: Hello all, I did see that my site is not loading right now, but that is the right address. I think Tripod may be having a problem right now. I am looking into it. Shawn Christopherson http://ifly85.tripod.com Gardner, MA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:17:46 -0400 To: "KRnet" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Mead...... Message-ID: Mercy, I didn't know there were so many Meadheads amongst the KRNetHeads.... Rather than use up the KRnet bandwith and not have to answer so many emails; give me a few days and I'll put a few pages out on the 'ol http://jerrymahurin.com website..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 08:48:07 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: jdbgmgr.exe virus Message-ID: <006901c20258$169a8c40$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C20236.8F0BCD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was given a virus called jdbgmgr.exe which is NOT detected by = Norton or McAfee. It sits quietly in your C drive for 14 days before = damaging your system. It spreads automatically by your address book. = It is simple to detect and delete. It takes only a moment to check as = follows. 1. Go to Start, go to Find or Search Options. 2.In the Files/folders option type in the name jdrgmgr.exe 3.Click Find. ( be sure to check the C drive) 4.The virus has a little teddy bear icon. DO NOT OPEN IT. 5.RIGHT click the icon. 6.DELETE it. It will go to your Recycle bin. 7.Open your recycle bin, find it and delete it here as well. If you had the virus please send a copy of this message to every one on = your address book. Good luck. Harold Woods. ------=_NextPart_000_0066_01C20236.8F0BCD00-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:52:59 +0200 To: "Audrey and Harold Woods" , From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?St=E9fan_Balatchev?= Subject: Re: KR> jdbgmgr.exe virus Message-ID: <005001c20258$c4bd19a0$4c0080d9@rn1kk> Please don't do that, this is a hoax, see http://www.europe.f-secure.com/hoaxes/jdbgmgr.shtml Stéfan Balatchev, mailto:Stefan.Balatchev@wanadoo.fr ----- Original Message ----- From: Audrey and Harold Woods To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:48 PM Subject: KR> jdbgmgr.exe virus I was given a virus called jdbgmgr.exe which is NOT detected by Norton or McAfee. It sits quietly in your C drive for 14 days before damaging your system. It spreads automatically by your address book. It is simple to detect and delete. It takes only a moment to check as follows. 1. Go to Start, go to Find or Search Options. 2.In the Files/folders option type in the name jdrgmgr.exe 3.Click Find. ( be sure to check the C drive) 4.The virus has a little teddy bear icon. DO NOT OPEN IT. 5.RIGHT click the icon. 6.DELETE it. It will go to your Recycle bin. 7.Open your recycle bin, find it and delete it here as well. If you had the virus please send a copy of this message to every one on your address book. Good luck. Harold Woods. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:51:46 -0600 To: From: "Larry Deckert" Subject: Re: KR> jdbgmgr.exe virus Message-ID: <000e01c202b4$ccf6f260$02646464@LARRYS> Guys, This is a hoax. Check the virus info sites. The jdbgmgr.exe is the java debug manager. Java code is downloaded some web pages, and the debug manager is used when there is a java error on a web page. I have a mail from our web manager at work (if I didn't delete the thing!), I'll post it tomorrow. It has instructions on how to get another jdbgmgr.exe program if you've deleted it. Larry Deckert SSA Global Technologies Technical Consultant ----- Original Message ----- From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:48 AM Subject: KR> jdbgmgr.exe virus I was given a virus called jdbgmgr.exe which is NOT detected by Norton or McAfee. It sits quietly in your C drive for 14 days before damaging your system. It spreads automatically by your address book. It is simple to detect and delete. It takes only a moment to check as follows. 1. Go to Start, go to Find or Search Options. 2.In the Files/folders option type in the name jdrgmgr.exe 3.Click Find. ( be sure to check the C drive) 4.The virus has a little teddy bear icon. DO NOT OPEN IT. 5.RIGHT click the icon. 6.DELETE it. It will go to your Recycle bin. 7.Open your recycle bin, find it and delete it here as well. If you had the virus please send a copy of this message to every one on your address book. Good luck. Harold Woods. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 05:50:26 -0700 To: From: "Keith S Melvill" Subject: Fuel Tanks Message-ID: <000001c20258$69978330$0200a8c0@zenmods1> ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2021D.BD38AB30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to add to the Fiberglass fuel tank discussion. Last night I was talking to a friend that works for Burt Rutan at Scaled Composites and I brought up the topic of fiberglass fuel tanks. His first sentence was never vacuum bag a fuel tank, in his words the fuel will leak out faster than you can put it in. But that being said, Scaled has made many many airplanes all with fiberglass tanks with only a few problems. This is my friend's advice. The tank must be a glass-foam-glass sandwich construction using a closed bubble type of foam. Before you close the tank (put the top on) paint the inside completely with straight epoxy (or vinylester), he even suggested two coats of epoxy on the inside of the tank. He also warned me to be careful to fully mix my epoxy, he suggested a full two minutes of mixing before use. He even went so far as to suggest getting an egg timer to make sure that the epoxy is well mixed. Evidently any epoxy that is not completely and thoroughly mixed can be leached out of the fiberglass by the fuel and/or the additives in the fuel. He said that if a following this advice that my fuel tanks should be fine. My thought is that is Burt Rutan and Scaled Composites build fuel tanks like this, it will be good enough for my KR. Just some thoughts from the professionals, (Not me) Keith "Maturity consists of no longer being taken in by one's self." Reply to keithstile@earthlink.net Keith ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C2021D.BD38AB30-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:32:27 -0400 To: From: "Audrey and Harold Woods" Subject: virus hoax ? Message-ID: <002001c2025e$4814cfa0$b0046418@baol.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2023C.C0D0D500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hope that Keith is right. It took a long time to send emails to all in = my address book. Can anyone tell me what a java running app is? I = deleted mine. What will this result in ? What can I do about it if = necessary? Harold Woods. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C2023C.C0D0D500-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 07:46:00 -0500 To: Audrey and Harold Woods From: gleone CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> jdbgmgr.exe virus HOAX! IT'S A BLOODY HOAX! Message-ID: <3CECE488.7DBF5260@tritel.net> --------------831BB9467324530717E9B0EA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit People, before you go about deleting files from your computer, CHECK IT OUT FIRST. This is is a hoax that has been around before. The thing about hoaxes is they get people to send them along in the interests of "helping others". When you get something like this, FIRST go to symantec.com and do a search on it. The last time this one came up (a few weeks ago, if memory serves me right), I posted the link but if it wasn't on the KR net, here it is again: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html As well meaning as you are, for the sake of everybody else, check it out BEFORE you mass email everyone. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming. PS: I am not being "pissy". I just hate to see people delete necessary files from their computers. Gene Audrey and Harold Woods wrote: > I was given a virus called jdbgmgr.exe which is NOT detected by Norton or McAfee. It sits quietly in your C drive for 14 days before damaging your system. It spreads automatically by your address book. It is simple to detect and delete. It takes only a moment to check as follows. > > 1. Go to Start, go to Find or Search Options. > 2.In the Files/folders option type in the name jdrgmgr.exe > 3.Click Find. ( be sure to check the C drive) > 4.The virus has a little teddy bear icon. DO NOT OPEN IT. > 5.RIGHT click the icon. > 6.DELETE it. It will go to your Recycle bin. > 7.Open your recycle bin, find it and delete it here as well. > > If you had the virus please send a copy of this message to every one on your address book. > Good luck. Harold Woods. --------------831BB9467324530717E9B0EA-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:42:55 -0300 To: "gleone" , "Audrey and Harold Woods" From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Eduardo_Jos=E9_Jankosz?=" Cc: Subject: Re: KR> jdbgmgr.exe virus HOAX! IT'S A BLOODY HOAX! Message-Id: <200205232242.g4NMggoX013101@cwbone.bsi.com.br> Hi, People! I have this file in the PC since Set/14/1997! It is a file of Windows! My PC work very well since this year! It is a very, very hoax! Don't delete it! Regards! Eduardo José Jankosz jankosz@bsi.com.br http://www.bsi.com.br/cbcb http://br.groups.yahoo.com/group/kr2-brasil Curitiba - PR - BRASIL ---------- > De: gleone > Para: Audrey and Harold Woods > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Assunto: Re: KR> jdbgmgr.exe virus HOAX! IT'S A BLOODY HOAX! > Data: Quinta-feira, 23 de Maio de 2002 09:46 > > People, before you go about deleting files from your computer, CHECK IT OUT FIRST. This is is a hoax that has been around before. The thing about hoaxes is they get people to send them along in the interests of "helping others". When you get something like this, FIRST go to > symantec.com and do a search on it. The last time this one came up (a few weeks ago, if memory serves me right), I posted the link but if it wasn't on the KR net, here it is again: http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoa x.html > As well meaning as you are, for the sake of everybody else, check it out BEFORE you mass email everyone. > > Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming. > PS: I am not being "pissy". I just hate to see people delete necessary files from their computers. > Gene > > > Audrey and Harold Woods wrote: > > > I was given a virus called jdbgmgr.exe which is NOT detected by Norton or McAfee. It sits quietly in your C drive for 14 days before damaging your system. It spreads automatically by your address book. It is simple to detect and delete. It takes only a moment to check as follows. > > > > 1. Go to Start, go to Find or Search Options. > > 2.In the Files/folders option type in the name jdrgmgr.exe > > 3.Click Find. ( be sure to check the C drive) > > 4.The virus has a little teddy bear icon. DO NOT OPEN IT. > > 5.RIGHT click the icon. > > 6.DELETE it. It will go to your Recycle bin. > > 7.Open your recycle bin, find it and delete it here as well. > > > > If you had the virus please send a copy of this message to every one on your address book. > > Good luck. Harold Woods. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:34:19 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: sawing foam Message-ID: Dan Heath wrote: >Never saw the yellow stuff. ...and later wrote: >We have a problem with one of the ailerons in that it looks very >"warped". Must be warped from sawing the yellow foam ;o) Sorry; when I read the "never saw the yellow stuff" phrase I took it the other way, not the way you meant it. Oh well; it's Friday, isn't it? Not yet? Well, as long as I'm on the podium here, and in keeping with the tone that Dana has set, I might as well toss out one building-related item: the URL to a web page that I put up describing the move of my "KR Construction Trainer" project from Oregon to Texas... http://www.flysquirrel.net/move/move.html Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX y'all _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:47:22 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Speaking of Foam Message-ID: <002801c202b4$2f4030e0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2028A.4640F600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I hate the stuff.....gets everywhere when you sand it.......up my = nose....in my ears...in my crotch....in my eyes......all over the dang = place.........and I still have not figured the best way to glue the = pieces together. Please enlighten me on the best method for gluing this = God forbidden stuff. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2028A.4640F600-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:10:25 -0400 To: flykr2s@wi.rr.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Speaking of Foam Message-ID: <20020523.211059.-472435.0.virgnvs@juno.com> White glue. Undercut the glue line before sanding. Virg On Thu, 23 May 2002 18:47:22 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > I hate the stuff.....gets everywhere when you sand it.......up my > nose....in my ears...in my crotch....in my eyes......all over the > dang place.........and I still have not figured the best way to glue > the pieces together. Please enlighten me on the best method for > gluing this God forbidden stuff. Thanks > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:38:26 -0500 To: "KR Builders \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Speaking of Foam Message-ID: <000e01c202c3$b395ea60$0600a8c0@schpankme> Check out the URL included. Gluing Foam Panels Edge to Edge (a.k.a. "The Hinge Method") http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Falls/2027/chapter_tips.htm Works perfect every time. Blue Skies, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Please enlighten me on the best method for gluing this God forbidden stuff. Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:07:04 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Speaking of Foam Message-ID: Hot glue gun. And like Virg says. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: virgnvs@juno.com [mailto:virgnvs@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:10 PM To: flykr2s@wi.rr.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Speaking of Foam White glue. Undercut the glue line before sanding. Virg On Thu, 23 May 2002 18:47:22 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > I hate the stuff.....gets everywhere when you sand it.......up my > nose....in my ears...in my crotch....in my eyes......all over the > dang place.........and I still have not figured the best way to glue > the pieces together. Please enlighten me on the best method for > gluing this God forbidden stuff. Thanks > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:17:45 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Speaking of Foam Message-ID: Larry, The problem I would have, and have had, with this method is the 5 minute epoxy. It is too hard and you will have a very difficult time doing what Virg says. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Larry A. Capps [mailto:lacapps@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 6:38 PM To: KR Builders (E-mail) Subject: KR> Speaking of Foam Check out the URL included. Gluing Foam Panels Edge to Edge (a.k.a. "The Hinge Method") http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Falls/2027/chapter_tips.htm Works perfect every time. Blue Skies, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL -----Original Message----- Please enlighten me on the best method for gluing this God forbidden stuff. Thanks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:43:06 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: speaking of foam Message-ID: <20020524024306.57162.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, The best way I have found to glue foam is with a hot glue gun, just try to leave the edge of the glue lower than where you plan to sand to. Sometimes I still get it a little too high in the joint, but the hot glue is much easier to sand than anything else I've used. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 05:50:26 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> speaking of foam Message-ID: I never try to sand glue as there is not a glue that sands at the same rate as the foam and you will always have a bump. Better to have a valley than a mountain. I always trim out any glue that appears during the sanding process. Then when glassing, you fill in the void with micro. This usually leaves you with a slight void which is easily filled during the finishing process. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Rick Wilson [mailto:rwdw2002@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:43 PM To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: KR> speaking of foam Hi, The best way I have found to glue foam is with a hot glue gun, just try to leave the edge of the glue lower than where you plan to sand to. Sometimes I still get it a little too high in the joint, but the hot glue is much easier to sand than anything else I've used. Thanks, Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! 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Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:38:36 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "David McKelvey" Subject: builder groups Message-ID: Hey Netters, I thought it might be a good idea to put together a list of other builder groups out there like the D'fly list etc. If you have a link to such a group, please respond, I'll put it all together and find a place to post it. thanks, Dave McKelvey Grapevine TX davmck@witty.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:21:29 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Epoxy alergies Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C202A8.2FBD6DA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The last few times I have used epoxy I have had an icht on my arms just a= bove the cuff of the vinyl gloves. I thought I was developing an alergy b= ut now I'm wondering if it could be from the microbaloons. Usually a thor= ough washing will relive the itch but one time it developed into a rash w= hich went away in about two days. I know several have had epoxy alergies = and I was wondering what their symptons were? =20 Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C202A8.2FBD6DA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:43:25 -0700 To: "ROBERT COOPER" , "krnet" From: "Darren Pond" Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy alergies Message-ID: <006201c202e5$ec7a4e80$79469d18@cambr.phub.net.cable.rogers.com> Hi All My place of work purchased bearer creams for our hands to be used when working with very fine silicon powders and really dirty stamping die's. Very comfortable to put on and washes off easily too. Stoker is the brand name. Darren P ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERT COOPER To: krnet Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: KR> Epoxy alergies The last few times I have used epoxy I have had an icht on my arms just above the cuff of the vinyl gloves. I thought I was developing an alergy but now I'm wondering if it could be from the microbaloons. Usually a thorough washing will relive the itch but one time it developed into a rash which went away in about two days. I know several have had epoxy alergies and I was wondering what their symptons were? Jack Cooper mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ Fayetteville, NC. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:24:28 +1200 To: "KRNET" From: "David French" Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy alergies Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C20337.18950860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jack, In my limited experience with Epoxy I have used some advice from a boat b= uilder mate of mine. He suggested using baby powder on any skin that migh= t be left exposed to the glass fibre or epoxy (above the cuff of the glov= es). It washes of easily and provides a good barrier. David N.Z. The last few times I have used epoxy I have had an icht on my arms just a= bove the cuff of the vinyl gloves. Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explo= rer download : http://explorer.msn.com ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C20337.18950860-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 23:10:08 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: glueing foam Message-ID: <002201c202e9$a97be5e0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C202AE.FB71CEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I tried hot glue gun once, it went airborne out the door . it is = impossible to sand .Plus the hot melt glue cools too fast for larger = parts(turtledeck,etc.) it dosent really spread for a good glue joint = either. use a little micro in the joint. I also use ROO GLUE(trade name) = get it at woodworking supply places. made for melamine/wood/ foam. thin, = spreads evenly, thin glue line ,easy sanding.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C202AE.FB71CEE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:53:26 +0200 (CEST) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Paolo=20Cavazzuti?= Subject: Washout, KR-2S...LONG! Message-ID: <20020524075326.74192.qmail@web13204.mail.yahoo.com> Hi there! I write from Italy, I'm building a KR-2S. Studying the plans, I've seen a different way to build washout of the wing between the manual and the drwgs (W1-2-3). The manual suggests to put the rib template at the tip of the spars and to set the correct angle of +3° of washout respect to the chord of the central section (+0.5° of incidence at the tip, +3.5° at the central section). This has to be done with central section spars in place in the fuselage, so you can find the correct dihedral for the aft spar, to. BUT new "W" drwgs are now indicating a different way to set dihedral and a sort of "authomatic" finding washout It seems to me that this is done to solve the problem many people had to build the entire wing "on" the fuselage, while now you should be able to build it on your work table and than put it in the fuselage time later. Well... WHAT'S THE QUESTION? New "S" rib template for outer wing are made to be set a +3°washout at the end of the wooden spar, which means that the real tip (which is at the end of the 12" estention + 8" more or less of wingtip)is shurely at less than +0.5°of incidence (in my opinion it could arrive at a negative incidence)!!!! Is it necessary a so hight grade of washout? Mark, I know your opinion... 2.25° are enought... or not?! ;) And what about to ignore souch a solution and set a 3° washout directly between the center section rib and the real tip of the wing (at the end of the 12" estention)? Staying here... hearing for comments... at least for my bad english, to!!! B.T.W: thanks a lot to all you, guys! KRnet is a very usefull instrument to have info and tips!!! Paolo Cavazzuti Modena, Italy ______________________________________________________________________ Scommetti gratis sui Mondiali! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/?http://ads.unibet.com/adverts/it/yahoo/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:35:49 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Epoxy allergies Message-ID: For everyone out there. Be sure and ventilate your work area very, very well when working with epoxy. Like M. Jones, I hated working with the foam, itches, gets everywhere, Roo Glue is the ticket. Epoxy soon took #1 on the list of hated things. I got to the point where my eye lids would swell up and get raw whenever I mixed epoxy. It seemed like it was coming from the rising fumes and me hovering over my work. Any area of your body where your get a crease is an area where chemicals can be trapped. It got to the point, I had to use a fan to blow the fumes away from the layup or bonding area. Be very, very careful. Constant exposure to epoxy will build up in your system. Off the soapbox......until I can find a picture to post:-) Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: "ROBERT COOPER" >To: "krnet" >Subject: KR> Epoxy alergies >Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 22:21:29 -0400 > >The last few times I have used epoxy I have had an icht on my arms just >above the cuff of the vinyl gloves. I thought I was developing an alergy >but now I'm wondering if it could be from the microbaloons. Usually a >thorough washing will relive the itch but one time it developed into a rash >which went away in about two days. I know several have had epoxy alergies >and I was wondering what their symptons were? > >Jack Cooper >mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com >http://www.geocities.com/kr2cooper/ >Fayetteville, NC. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 08:18:26 -0400 To: From: "mike" Subject: RE:foam and another stupid question Message-ID: <003001c2031d$1d0e3340$6400a8c0@wolftreeinc.com> ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C202FB.9469BE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I use several things to glue foam : for tiny pieces I use micro, for = large pieces I use spray foam being careful to make sure I have it = squirted out evenly so when I squeeze the pieces together there is = sticky yellow yuck between all areas.=20 Ok here is the stupid question: the rod linkage that runs through the = fwd V.S. spar that controls the elevator , cant this be ran below the = V.S. spar? If it was below you wouldn't have that scary lookin hole in = the spar and then you'd have room on top where the rod used to attatch = to put a small threaded rod that could carry an adjustable weight to = balance the elevator, any comments? Divin for the hole ! ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C202FB.9469BE40-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************