From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 12 Jun 2002 02:37:15 -0000 Issue 448 Date: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 7:37 PM krnet Digest 12 Jun 2002 02:37:15 -0000 Issue 448 Topics (messages 10681 through 10710): The Tail dragger demon 10681 by: george.hotorange.co.za 10686 by: Daniel Heath 10692 by: bstarrs Re: elevator removal 10682 by: ROBERT COOPER 10688 by: David McKelvey 10697 by: Richard Parker 10700 by: virgnvs.juno.com 10702 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Pitch Senstivity 10683 by: Aaron Patrick Sand Re: Assistance please 10684 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Making a mistake 10685 by: larry flesner pitch sensativity 10687 by: jim . synergy design 10698 by: virgnvs.juno.com Greg Martin 10689 by: Gaylon Fuller Re: Pitch sensitivity 10690 by: Jerry Mahurin Re: flying experience 10691 by: Daniel Heath Fuel distribution question; Why the STUB? 10693 by: RONALD.FREIBERGER 10701 by: virgnvs.juno.com Re: Spar Repair (was elevator removal) 10694 by: Donald Reid Re: elevator repair 10695 by: ace nunye Fuselage dimension 10696 by: brunipietro.virgilio.it 10707 by: Ricky Farley Tail Springs 10699 by: norm-ruth Assistance 10703 by: Steve Boshoff 10710 by: Mark Langford KR-1 10704 by: Gary W. Haun 10705 by: virgnvs.juno.com 10706 by: Ed Janssen 10708 by: Tim Brown Re: Kr Propeller information 10709 by: Mark Langford Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:21:56 GMT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: george@hotorange.co.za Cc: brink@hotorange.co.za Subject: The Tail dragger demon Message-Id: <20020610172158.59FE53A462@fedex.is.co.za> I have head the usual hype about the untaimable tail dragger. I have had to temporarily stop my KR2 project due to family committments. (Twins) I have though not been put of by this and have managed to secure a very nice KR2 in flyaway condition. The problem is now to fly it away. I am taking delivery in a couple of months and now have to tame the tail dragger. i have various optins available to me and would like some advice on the most suitable transition aircraft. The following are available for a initial tail wheel locally; Tiger Moth, Chipmunk, C150 (Texas Taildragger), Super Decathlon & Piper Cub replica. Obviously the KR2 is also avail, but most agree I should get significant tail wheel hrs elsewhere before taking on the KR2. I am planning to do ±10 - 15 hrs on either Tiger Moth or Super Decathlon and then move onto the KR? I would appreciate comments. Many thanks George Brink FAGM South Africa PS I have ±250 PPL hrs (mostly X-country) on C182 RG II. I need to pass CAA exams for Comm IF license. Again family committments have slowed the IF Comm down, but it will come. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:16:27 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> The Tail dragger demon Message-ID: Would it be possible to find an instructor who could teach you in the KR? There was one here, but we both could not fit in mine. He actually had built a KR in his younger days. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: george@hotorange.co.za [mailto:george@hotorange.co.za] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:22 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Cc: brink@hotorange.co.za Subject: KR> The Tail dragger demon I have head the usual hype about the untaimable tail dragger. I have had to temporarily stop my KR2 project due to family committments. (Twins) I have though not been put of by this and have managed to secure a very nice KR2 in flyaway condition. The problem is now to fly it away. I am taking delivery in a couple of months and now have to tame the tail dragger. i have various optins available to me and would like some advice on the most suitable transition aircraft. The following are available for a initial tail wheel locally; Tiger Moth, Chipmunk, C150 (Texas Taildragger), Super Decathlon & Piper Cub replica. Obviously the KR2 is also avail, but most agree I should get significant tail wheel hrs elsewhere before taking on the KR2. I am planning to do ±10 - 15 hrs on either Tiger Moth or Super Decathlon and then move onto the KR? I would appreciate comments. Many thanks George Brink FAGM South Africa PS I have ±250 PPL hrs (mostly X-country) on C182 RG II. I need to pass CAA exams for Comm IF license. Again family committments have slowed the IF Comm down, but it will come. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:32:38 -0700 To: From: "bstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> The Tail dragger demon Message-ID: <005c01c210f0$41b6f520$9200a8c0@bstarrs> George, Flying a tail drager is only a matter of getting use to it . It is not the big deal some would be know it all "pilots" make it out to be. They some how like to build their own already small egos by boasting how hard a tail dragger is. Just taxi what ever plane you are going to fly untill you are comfortable with it . I don't mean that you will not requiire some instruction , but don't let these "super pilots" spook you. They take all the fun out of flying. Bill Starrs, Prescott, AZ ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: KR> The Tail dragger demon > I have head the usual hype about the untaimable tail dragger. I have had > to temporarily stop my KR2 project due to family committments. (Twins) I > have though not been put of by this and have managed to secure a very nice > KR2 in flyaway condition. The problem is now to fly it away. I am taking > delivery in a couple of months and now have to tame the tail dragger. i > have various optins available to me and would like some advice on the most > suitable transition aircraft. > > The following are available for a initial tail wheel locally; > Tiger Moth, > Chipmunk, > C150 (Texas Taildragger), > Super Decathlon & > Piper Cub replica. > > Obviously the KR2 is also avail, but most agree I should get significant > tail wheel hrs elsewhere before taking on the KR2. > > I am planning to do ±10 - 15 hrs on either Tiger Moth or Super Decathlon > and then move onto the KR? I would appreciate comments. > > Many thanks > George Brink > FAGM > South Africa > > PS I have ±250 PPL hrs (mostly X-country) on C182 RG II. I need to pass > CAA exams for Comm IF license. Again family committments have slowed the > IF Comm down, but it will > come. > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:18:41 -0400 To: "Rick Wilson" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C21081.56A9F640 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Rick There is no way to remove the elevator without removing the vertical stab= iliser. Rather than removing the post you may want to consider cutting th= e vertical stab glass and foam and leave the vertical post in place. The = best option is to repair the stabilizer in place if possible. =20 Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Wilson Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:43 AM To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: KR> elevator removal Hi, can anyone tell me if there's a way to remove the elevator without cutting the tailpost? I found a couple places where the trailing edge on the top side of the horizontal stab. needs reinforcing with flox. The edges move up and down slightly, they just seem to have not been reinforced enough when they were constructed. I am going to remove the elevator and redo the area on the aft side of the h.s. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C21081.56A9F640-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:14:54 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "David McKelvey" Subject: KR> elevator removal Message-ID: OK, I'll weigh in on this since I have a broken elevator spar (happened during transport)and I've given this some thought. I am considering repairing the elevator and splicing the spar together. The theory is that a good splice joint is stronger than the wood is. I do plan to get a dovetail jig to get it perfect, I've seen them around $30. I would think that if you cut anything it should be the elevator spar not the vertical post. dave mckelvey grapevine, tx -----Original Message----- From: ROBERT COOPER [mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:19 PM To: Rick Wilson; krnet Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal Rick There is no way to remove the elevator without removing the vertical stabiliser. Rather than removing the post you may want to consider cutting the vertical stab glass and foam and leave the vertical post in place. The best option is to repair the stabilizer in place if possible. Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Wilson Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:43 AM To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: KR> elevator removal Hi, can anyone tell me if there's a way to remove the elevator without cutting the tailpost? I found a couple places where the trailing edge on the top side of the horizontal stab. needs reinforcing with flox. The edges move up and down slightly, they just seem to have not been reinforced enough when they were constructed. I am going to remove the elevator and redo the area on the aft side of the h.s. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:46:38 +0000 To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal Message-ID: I wouldnt necessarily use a dovetail jig as their is would be too much dependancy on bonding engrain to endgrain. However if you can find a finger splice jig that would be much better as you would have less endgrain that you are trying to glue. I;'ve been thinking that an aluminum empenage on a kr would be perfect. Maybe Dana has something to add. Rich Parker Peterborough NH >OK, I'll weigh in on this since I have a broken elevator spar (happened >during transport)and I've given this some thought. I am considering >repairing the elevator and splicing the spar together. The theory is that >a >good splice joint is stronger than the wood is. I do plan to get a >dovetail >jig to get it perfect, I've seen them around $30. I would think that if >you >cut anything it should be the elevator spar not the vertical post. >dave mckelvey grapevine, tx > >-----Original Message----- >From: ROBERT COOPER [mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com] >Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:19 PM >To: Rick Wilson; krnet >Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal > > >Rick >There is no way to remove the elevator without removing the vertical >stabiliser. Rather than removing the post you may want to consider cutting >the vertical stab glass and foam and leave the vertical post in place. The >best option is to repair the stabilizer in place if possible. >Jack Cooper > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rick Wilson >Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:43 AM >To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG >Subject: KR> elevator removal > >Hi, can anyone tell me if there's a way to remove the >elevator without cutting the tailpost? I found a >couple places where the trailing edge on the top side >of the horizontal stab. needs reinforcing with flox. >The edges move up and down slightly, they just seem >to have not been reinforced enough when they were >constructed. I am going to remove the elevator and >redo the area on the aft side of the h.s. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > Rich Parker _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:26:04 -0400 To: richontheroad@hotmail.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal Message-ID: <20020611.092752.-328445.6.virgnvs@juno.com> An aluminum KR ? Virg On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:46:38 +0000 "Richard Parker" writes: > I wouldnt necessarily use a dovetail jig as their is would be too > much > dependancy on bonding engrain to endgrain. However if you can find a > finger > splice jig that would be much better as you would have less endgrain > that > you are trying to glue. > > I;'ve been thinking that an aluminum empenage on a kr would be > perfect. > Maybe Dana has something to add. > > Rich Parker > Peterborough NH > > > >OK, I'll weigh in on this since I have a broken elevator spar > (happened > >during transport)and I've given this some thought. I am > considering > >repairing the elevator and splicing the spar together. The theory > is that > >a > >good splice joint is stronger than the wood is. I do plan to get a > > >dovetail > >jig to get it perfect, I've seen them around $30. I would think > that if > >you > >cut anything it should be the elevator spar not the vertical post. > >dave mckelvey grapevine, tx > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: ROBERT COOPER [mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com] > >Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:19 PM > >To: Rick Wilson; krnet > >Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal > > > > > >Rick > >There is no way to remove the elevator without removing the > vertical > >stabiliser. Rather than removing the post you may want to consider > cutting > >the vertical stab glass and foam and leave the vertical post in > place. The > >best option is to repair the stabilizer in place if possible. > >Jack Cooper > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Rick Wilson > >Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:43 AM > >To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG > >Subject: KR> elevator removal > > > >Hi, can anyone tell me if there's a way to remove the > >elevator without cutting the tailpost? I found a > >couple places where the trailing edge on the top side > >of the horizontal stab. needs reinforcing with flox. > >The edges move up and down slightly, they just seem > >to have not been reinforced enough when they were > ted. I am going to remove the elevator and > >redo the area on the aft side of the h.s. > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > >http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > > > > > Rich Parker > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:03:46 -0400 To: davmck@verizon.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal Message-ID: <20020611.092752.-328445.2.virgnvs@juno.com> How would you get the ekevator back in ??? A true splice would have a taper of 10 to 15/1. I do not think that a dovetailwould do it, Virg On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 20:14:54 -0500 "David McKelvey" writes: > OK, I'll weigh in on this since I have a broken elevator spar > (happened > during transport)and I've given this some thought. I am > considering > repairing the elevator and splicing the spar together. The theory > is that a > good splice joint is stronger than the wood is. I do plan to get a > dovetail > jig to get it perfect, I've seen them around $30. I would think > that if you > cut anything it should be the elevator spar not the vertical post. > dave mckelvey grapevine, tx > > -----Original Message----- > From: ROBERT COOPER [mailto:kr2cooper@msn.com] > Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 12:19 PM > To: Rick Wilson; krnet > Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal > > > Rick > There is no way to remove the elevator without removing the > vertical > stabiliser. Rather than removing the post you may want to consider > cutting > the vertical stab glass and foam and leave the vertical post in > place. The > best option is to repair the stabilizer in place if possible. > Jack Cooper > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rick Wilson > Sent: Saturday, June 08, 2002 9:43 AM > To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG > Subject: KR> elevator removal > > Hi, can anyone tell me if there's a way to remove the > elevator without cutting the tailpost? I found a > couple places where the trailing edge on the top side > of the horizontal stab. needs reinforcing with flox. > The edges move up and down slightly, they just seem > to have not been reinforced enough when they were > constructed. I am going to remove the elevator and > redo the area on the aft side of the h.s. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 14:38:33 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Aaron Patrick Sand" Subject: Re: KR>Pitch Senstivity Message-ID: First post here, so I hope I ain't too wrong. Move the attach point closer to the pivot of the bellcrank, the more travel you will get per unit of movement at the stick. Exactly the opposite at the stick, farther from the pivot point on the stick, more travel at the control surface. I would think that while moving the attach point closer to the pivot on the control surface increases travel, it would also increase stick forces. And I would think that increased stick forces would help the sensitivity issue. But I'm still in college, so take that with a grain of salt, as I could very well be WAY off. -Aaron Sand The Citadel, Class of 2004 On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:05:49 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" wrote: > I would have to disagree with the below statement**, as it relates the > Elevator Bell Crank. > > Note: > The longer the lever, the greater the mechanical advantage. In order to > reduce the "throw" one would move the attach point down the Bell Crank > (towards it's center / pivot point) > > Larry A. Capps > Naperville, IL > mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > ** > If you move the holes closer together at the elev., it will get MORE > sensative(shorter arm for same ammount of linear travel= more angular > motion. ) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:30:51 -0400 To: rtecg@telepath.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Assistance please Message-ID: <20020610.154911.-271761.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Bought mine 1974, Virg On Sun, 9 Jun 2002 21:49:40 -0500 "Rex Ellington" writes: > Good Monday to all: > > Ten days ago, my Gateway lookalike cratered so badly that Windows > wouldn't even load. > Naturally, I lost all my bookmarks until I pull the old hard drive > and have someone scan it. > Now, I am getting a new computer started up and need help on several > items. > > No. 1. Some time ago, some krnetter posted an email about help on > setting up websites. > I need it badly to get word out on my book, since I am going to > have to pay for printing it myself. > > No. 2. The day before the crash, I had just opened up a site > instructing on html for web pages. > If any of you have seen it, please give me an address. > > No. 3. Some months ago, I had contact with a person (Oregon, I > believe) on skinning his horiz. stab > with plywood. He even sent me a picture, but I don't have his > address. If anyone knows a contact > for him, please let me know. > > Soon, I will log in as probably the oldest dummy - Bought my wood > kit from Mrs. Rand in 1975 > > Mucho gracias > > Rex T. Ellington > Norman, Ok > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:23 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> Making a mistake Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020610155823.008b2cc0@mail.midwest.net> >At 09:26 PM 6/9/02 -0400, virgnvs@juno.com wrote: >> When looking for a small item on the floor, use a bright >>flashlight to cause a shadow. Virg >++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Hold the flashlight close to and parallel to the floor. Also, get your eyes close to the floor, i.e. one ear on the floor, and the item jumps right out of the mess. In thirty three years of working on office equipment I had to find more than a few dropped nuts and bolts, small springs, washers, etc., etc., etc. !! Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:40:36 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: pitch sensativity Message-ID: <002801c210d8$39c223c0$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2109D.8C139A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable O.K., What I was trying to explain is ..... My control stick is 13" from = pivot to grip end, and 3" from pivot to attach point of cable or push = rod, at 30 degree up elev, I have to move the stick 6.5"( it moves the = 3"on center elev horn 1.5") . If i move the elev. hole closer to the = pivot point by 1/2", it moves the elev. horn 1 15/16" (linear) creating = a 35 degree angle, if you move it to 2" from pivot, you get 2 1/2 = "(linear) movement, and 45 degree angle,( with same 6 1/2 inch movement = at grip) If you keep shortening the throw at the grip, (by moving = centers closer at elev.horn, ) eventually (theoretically) you could only = have to move the stick say 1/16" to get the 30 degree elev travel. How = sensitive would that be! If you are talking about pitch PRESSURE, then = it works in the opposite. So if I wanted to reduce the sensativity, I = would increase the stick throw( I know that would reduce the PRESSURE) ( = I am devising something to put a little resistance into the system = mechanically to give it some feel. possibly some kind of small gas = strut????) More later on how and why I want to make my ratio = adjustable, Right now I'm painting a big target on my forehead , so you = all can take your shots! ;-) Jim ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C2109D.8C139A40-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 08:58:38 -0400 To: synergydesign@sopris.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> pitch sensativity Message-ID: <20020611.085840.-328445.1.virgnvs@juno.com> However!, Most are flying O K as per the plans,Virg On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 16:40:36 -0700 "jim @ synergy design" writes: > O.K., What I was trying to explain is ..... My control stick is 13" > from pivot to grip end, and 3" from pivot to attach point of cable > or push rod, at 30 degree up elev, I have to move the stick 6.5"( it > moves the 3"on center elev horn 1.5") . If i move the elev. hole > closer to the pivot point by 1/2", it moves the elev. horn 1 15/16" > (linear) creating a 35 degree angle, if you move it to 2" from > pivot, you get 2 1/2 "(linear) movement, and 45 degree angle,( with > same 6 1/2 inch movement at grip) If you keep shortening the throw > at the grip, (by moving centers closer at elev.horn, ) eventually > (theoretically) you could only have to move the stick say 1/16" to > get the 30 degree elev travel. How sensitive would that be! If > you are talking about pitch PRESSURE, then it works in the > opposite. So if I wanted to reduce the sensativity, I would > increase the stick throw( I know that would reduce the PRESSURE) ( I > am devising something to put a little resistance into the system > mechanically to give it some feel. possibly some kind of small gas > strut????) More later on how and why I want to make my ratio > adjustable, Right now I'm painting a big target on my forehead , so > you all can take your shots! ;-) Jim > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 19:26:45 -0600 To: From: "Gaylon Fuller" Subject: Greg Martin Message-ID: <001401c210e7$0d604d20$ce99a7d8@oemcomputer> Greg, Contact me off the list about those wheels and brakes I sold you. Thanks Gaylon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:01:12 -0400 To: From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Pitch sensitivity Message-ID: You are both correct..... One is referring to sensitivity to amount of pressure on the stick and the other is calling sensitivity the distance of throw on the stick.... Think about that..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 12:05:49 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" wrote: >I would have to disagree with the below statement**, as >it relates the >Elevator Bell Crank. > >Note: >The longer the lever, the greater the mechanical >advantage. In order to >reduce the "throw" one would move the attach point down >the Bell Crank >(towards it's center / pivot point) > >Larry A. Capps >Naperville, IL >mailto:lacapps@attbi.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >** >If you move the holes closer together at the elev., it >will get MORE >sensative(shorter arm for same ammount of linear travel= >more angular >motion. ) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >"reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 22:05:21 -0700 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> flying experience Message-ID: If you are connecting the elevator using cables, you must remember that you are dealing with a parallelogram. You must not make the opposite sides of that, un-equal. The KR plans actually have them un-equal, and I am not certain how it works. The only thing that I can figure, is that the cables stretch enough to compensate for the 1/2" difference. Move that back to behind the aft spar via a push tube and try it. It will bind very badly. I found this out the hard way. As someone else said, the easiest way to deal with the responsiveness of the KR, is to lengthen the stick. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Larry A. Capps [mailto:lacapps@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 9:02 AM To: KR Builders List (E-mail) Cc: 'Jeff York' Subject: KR> flying experience Relief for KR Pitch Sensitivity std KR. \ < - current attach point | < - anti-sensitivity attach point | o | | < - anti-sensitivity attach point \ < - current attach point Diagram 1. Elevator Bell Crank Page 59, 71 of RR manual Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL mailto:lacapps@attbi.com -----Original Message----- For what its worth. I have some time in a Grumman Tiger I felt the simularities I had the same problem with both Tiger and KR-2 Tricycle. I was either gaining airspeed or climbing. I mean is that if I pulled the nose up to slow down... you get the idea. I do have a friend who is a professional pilot and owns a Yankee I can ask him for details I said.. For what it's worth. I will qualify this by stating I am having some problems with my elevator trim on the KR-2. I think this is adding to my elevator sensitivty problems. I have been working to fix this but don't have it quite done yet. I haven't been able to work on it much lately. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:50:20 -0400 To: "KRNET" From: "RONALD.FREIBERGER" Subject: Fuel distribution question; Why the STUB? Message-ID: I see many intake manifolds where the input tube joins a two-way split. Many of these continue the input line on a ways; Tom Crwford actually has a box. Does anyone understand the reason for this "stub" carry through? A well done "Y" would seem to be the right answer. Yet another question in the same direction. Do slide valve carbs tend to inject the fuel to one side rather than down the middle, and could turning a slide valve carb 90 degrees on the manifold help ( or hinder) fuel distribution to a 4 cylinder engine? Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:07:47 -0400 To: ron.martha@mindspring.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fuel distribution question; Why the STUB? Message-ID: <20020611.092752.-328445.3.virgnvs@juno.com> Feed tubes from a single tube ( and 90 degrees from ) will feed better if the feed tube continues past the junction TWO diameters. Virg On Mon, 10 Jun 2002 21:50:20 -0400 "RONALD.FREIBERGER" writes: > I see many intake manifolds where the input tube joins a two-way > split. > Many of these continue the input line on a ways; Tom Crwford > actually has a > box. Does anyone understand the reason for this "stub" carry > through? A > well done "Y" would seem to be the right answer. > > Yet another question in the same direction. Do slide valve carbs > tend to > inject the fuel to one side rather than down the middle, and could > turning a > slide valve carb 90 degrees on the manifold help ( or hinder) fuel > distribution to a 4 cylinder engine? > > Ron Freiberger... > mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 05:54:24 -0400 To: "David McKelvey" ,"krnet" From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Spar Repair (was elevator removal) Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020611054739.00a28570@pop.erols.com> --=====================_1965518==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:14 PM 6/10/2002 -0500, David McKelvey wrote: >OK, I'll weigh in on this since I have a broken elevator spar (happened >during transport)and I've given this some thought. I am considering >repairing the elevator and splicing the spar together. The theory is that a >good splice joint is stronger than the wood is. I do plan to get a dovetail >jig to get it perfect, A dovetail joint is not an appropriate repair method for an airplane. Mechanically interlocking joints are used in furniture for a number of reasons, but for a spar repair, it is a mistake. I suggest that you make a test sample before a real repair. A dovetail joint loaded in bending will fail when a scarf joint will not. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_1965518==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 06:06:57 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "ace nunye" Subject: RE: elevator repair Message-ID: I agree 100% with Don Reid for the proper method on repairing the spar use a scarf and possibly scab a tapered piece of ply over it if you have the room, remember wings flex if they dont flex they fail. Get an EA-AC 43.13-1A &2A this is a book of acceptable methods,techniques and practices of aircraft repair ( ADVISORY CIRCULAR ) If you make a bad repair on a spar it cant be good when it lets go. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:59:43 +0200 To: "KRNET" From: brunipietro@virgilio.it Subject: Fuselage dimension Message-ID: Yesterday evening in my workshop i was looking at the drawing but i was in troulbe looking for the distance between the upper fuselage longeron and the lower fuselage longeron at the last station ("O").I look for it in all the drawings and also in the construction manual, bu i wasn't able to find it?? WHERE IS IT? Someone can help me? Note my project is an KR2S Pietro ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:13:17 -0500 To: From: "Ricky Farley" Cc: Subject: RE: KR> Fuselage dimension Message-ID: Check out your original KR2 plans (not the -S supplement). This dimension was left off of the KR2S plan drawing. I used the 11" called out in the KR2 plans. Hope it helps, Ricky KR2S, San Angelo TX -----Original Message----- From: brunipietro@virgilio.it [mailto:brunipietro@virgilio.it] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 06:00 To: KRNET Subject: KR> Fuselage dimension Yesterday evening in my workshop i was looking at the drawing but i was in troulbe looking for the distance between the upper fuselage longeron and the lower fuselage longeron at the last station ("O").I look for it in all the drawings and also in the construction manual, bu i wasn't able to find it?? WHERE IS IT? Someone can help me? Note my project is an KR2S Pietro --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 09:00:55 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Tail Springs Message-ID: <000b01c21150$69147740$23dad73f@prodigy.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C21126.7F17F0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Aircraft Spruce & Specialty listed Glass-Epoxy Prepreg Tailwheel springs = in their 95-96 catalog. Subsequent catalogs did not list it. They were = designed for the Kitfox, Avid Flyer and Murphy. Prices at that time = were $57.50 and $66. The advantages in the description seemed impressive. I checked the Avid Flyer Web Site, and they listed a tail wheel that is = considerably more expensive. I assume this is for the whole assembly. Since there has been quite a bit of discussion recently on tail wheel = springs, this might be worth checking out. Norm Seel ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C21126.7F17F0A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 18:50:23 +0200 To: "KR_Net (E-mail)" From: Steve Boshoff Subject: Assistance Message-ID: Hi All I am looking for flight test reports that have been written on KR2's to be included in a study that I am submitting. Are any of you able to direct me to such sources? The study includes a perception aspect on the KR2 and I would also like to include articles from pilots on their view of the stability characteristics of the aircraft. Once again, I would like some direction as to where to find such reports, if they exist. Please email me directly if you wish to share your view on the KR2 directly, rather than posting it on the net. Thanks Steve in South Africa Pr Eng (Aerospace), MRAeSSA steveb@aviation.denel.co.za ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:35:13 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Assistance Message-ID: <004d01c211b9$c9103620$e302a58c@tbekhpjnuqn30g> > I am looking for flight test reports that have been written on KR2's to be > included in a study that I am submitting. Are any of you able to direct me > to such sources? There's a pretty good one at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/neilb.html that would probably qualify. There is also Don Reid's definitive collection of KR articles that may offer some help at http://users.erols.com/donreid/sportaviation/kr_SA.htm , but may not be the kind of technical stuff that you may be looking for. Maybe there are others out there, but I can't come up with them at the moment. I'd love to see a CAFE analysis on one. I feel a feeling that we'd learn a lot... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:51:05 -0500 To: From: "Gary W. Haun" Subject: KR-1 Message-ID: I've read with great interest the fellows who purchased their wood kits in 1974 and 1975, truly a labor of love. I ordered my KR-1 plans set in early 1997 and plan to get started soon. I'll have a shop set up with-in days and a work bench with-in a week. After reviewing the KR-1 plans at least 20 times I really appreciate the tip to by a set of KR-2 plans for the improved manual. I'm going to order a set tonight for my father's day gift to myself. I've had great service from Wicks, Aircraft Spruce and Specialty but see ordering from Rand Robinson is also an option for the wood kit. Anybody have any delivery horror stories on wood shipments? I could actually spend a day and pick up my wood from Wicks. KR-1 #5985 Gary W. Haun --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:33:41 -0400 To: garyhaun@earthlink.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Message-ID: <20020611.153351.-280209.1.virgnvs@juno.com> Go yo Wicks in person. Let them know a few days in advance, Virg On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:51:05 -0500 "Gary W. Haun" writes: > I've read with great interest the fellows who purchased their wood > kits > in 1974 and 1975, truly a labor of love. I ordered my KR-1 plans set > in > early 1997 and plan to get started soon. I'll have a shop set up > with-in > days and a work bench with-in a week. After reviewing the KR-1 plans > at > least 20 times I really appreciate the tip to by a set of KR-2 plans > for the > improved manual. I'm going to order a set tonight for my father's > day gift > to myself. I've had great service from Wicks, Aircraft Spruce and > Specialty > but see ordering from Rand Robinson is also an option for the wood > kit. > Anybody have any delivery horror stories on wood shipments? I could > actually > spend a day and pick up my wood from Wicks. > KR-1 #5985 > Gary W. Haun > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:00:21 -0500 To: "Gary W. Haun" , From: ejanssen@chipsnet.com (Ed Janssen) Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Message-ID: <001201c2118a$ffd4f260$0200a8c0@dad> Gary, I've had excellant service from Wicks as a supplier. I'm only about an hour or so away from Hiland, IL., so I've been there many times. If you ask, they will usually give you a mini-tour of their facilities,too. Pretty interesting. They have quite a few neat displays in their front office. It's like being a kid in a candy shop. Ed Central IL ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary W. Haun" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:51 PM Subject: KR> KR-1 > I've read with great interest the fellows who purchased their wood kits > in 1974 and 1975, truly a labor of love. I ordered my KR-1 plans set in > early 1997 and plan to get started soon. I'll have a shop set up with-in > days and a work bench with-in a week. After reviewing the KR-1 plans at > least 20 times I really appreciate the tip to by a set of KR-2 plans for the > improved manual. I'm going to order a set tonight for my father's day gift > to myself. I've had great service from Wicks, Aircraft Spruce and Specialty > but see ordering from Rand Robinson is also an option for the wood kit. > Anybody have any delivery horror stories on wood shipments? I could actually > spend a day and pick up my wood from Wicks. > KR-1 #5985 > Gary W. Haun > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - Release Date: 5/7/2002 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:59:14 -0700 (PDT) To: "Gary W. Haun" , krnet@mailinglists.org From: Tim Brown Subject: Re: KR> KR-1 Message-ID: <20020612005914.86321.qmail@web9505.mail.yahoo.com> I have mail ordered from Wicks and have not had a problem or a backorder but most of my goodies come from AS&S. Got all of my wood, foam and glass at AS&S. Wicks has some metal that AS&S does not. I work about 30 minutes from AS&S so I go there often...was there Friday and Wednesday last week. Went to RR today and picked up my canopy and a couple other things...about an hour drive but I have to work in Orange County a couple times a month so I just stop by then. I have always had excellent service from all. Tim --- "Gary W. Haun" wrote: > I've read with great interest the fellows > who purchased their wood kits > in 1974 and 1975, truly a labor of love. I > ordered my KR-1 plans set in > early 1997 and plan to get started soon. I'll > have a shop set up with-in > days and a work bench with-in a week. After > reviewing the KR-1 plans at > least 20 times I really appreciate the tip to > by a set of KR-2 plans for the > improved manual. I'm going to order a set > tonight for my father's day gift > to myself. I've had great service from Wicks, > Aircraft Spruce and Specialty > but see ordering from Rand Robinson is also an > option for the wood kit. > Anybody have any delivery horror stories on > wood shipments? I could actually > spend a day and pick up my wood from Wicks. > KR-1 #5985 > Gary W. Haun > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.362 / Virus Database: 199 - > Release Date: 5/7/2002 > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older > ones > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 21:27:35 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Fw: Kr Propeller information Message-ID: <004801c211b8$b8040100$e302a58c@tbekhpjnuqn30g> ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C2118E.CDC0AD60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm forwarding this for Brian. I'm just the messenger! But Les will = also make you all kinds of other KR stuff if you are "time challenged". = A list with very old prices is located at = http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/klppl1.jpg . The phone number at the = top has been changed to area code to 972, if you need to contact Les. ---- Original Message -----=20 From: Brianskr2s@aol.com=20 To: langford@hiwaay.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 9:00 AM Subject: Kr Propeller information Mark. Palmer's KR machine shop now has a prop carving machine that can pretty = much carve any propeller for the KR. He carved one for his 2.2 Subaru = and he said he is getting an honest 1750 fpm climb and 170 mph in level = flight. Please let all of the other members know about this, OK. His = phone # is 972-241-4387 he said its OK to call anytime.=20 Thanks, Brian=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01C2118E.CDC0AD60-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************