From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 13 Jun 2002 16:34:09 -0000 Issue 449 Date: Thursday, June 13, 2002 9:34 AM krnet Digest 13 Jun 2002 16:34:09 -0000 Issue 449 Topics (messages 10711 through 10740): Re: elevator repair 10711 by: w.g. kirkland Re: The Tail dragger demon 10712 by: Jim Faughn 10719 by: Shawn Christopherson new buyer in australia, looking for advice 10713 by: sunirmalya symons 10714 by: Frank Ross KR Landings 10715 by: Jim Faughn End of the Newsletter 10716 by: Mark Jones 10717 by: Linda Warner 10718 by: Mark Jones 10720 by: Ron Eason 10722 by: ROBERT COOPER 10725 by: David Mullins 10730 by: Daniel Heath 10732 by: virgnvs.juno.com Newsletter 10721 by: Patrick Driscoll 10723 by: KRFlyboy.aol.com 10724 by: Ron Eason 10726 by: Mark Langford 10729 by: Daniel Heath 10731 by: virgnvs.juno.com 10733 by: Ron Eason 10737 by: Linda Warner 10738 by: Jerry Mahurin Pitch Sensitivity 10727 by: Bob Lee 10728 by: Livingstone, Danny (DJ) 10734 by: Ron Eason 10735 by: Dana Overall Re: elevator removal 10736 by: Dana Overall 10739 by: Richard Parker Diehl Gear 10740 by: Conley, Paul W. Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:59:36 -0400 To: "ace nunye" , From: "w.g. kirkland" Subject: Re: KR> RE: elevator repair Message-ID: <001901c211cd$f7259b40$3cb45bd1@utboopki> I agree! A spar breaking in flight could ruin your whole day. W.G.(Bill) KIRKLAND kirkland@vianet.on.ca ----- Original Message ----- From: "ace nunye" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 6:06 AM Subject: KR> RE: elevator repair > > > I agree 100% with Don Reid for the proper method on repairing the spar use a > scarf and possibly scab a tapered piece of ply over it if you have the room, > remember wings flex if they dont flex they fail. Get an EA-AC 43.13-1A &2A > this is a book of acceptable methods,techniques and practices of aircraft > repair ( ADVISORY CIRCULAR ) If you make a bad repair on a spar it cant be > good when it lets go. > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: > http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:40:41 -0500 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: Re: The Tail dragger demon Message-ID: When I started flying my KR I had 140 hours of total flight time which was mostly in Cessna 150, 152 & 172's. I had 2 hours in a Centabria (sp???) and I had about 5 landings in a KR-2 with Marti Roberts and Dan Diehl. The time with Marti and Dan really helped me with the flying characteristics of the plane although I found if you fly it at 120-130mph you really don't over control anyway. What helped me the most was taxi testing the plane and I was able to put about 3 hours on my KR taxi testing. I must say that taxi testing must be taken seriously and if you aren't careful you can get the plane in the air before you want to. After slow taxi work, I built up to the point where I could lift the tail and set it back down. You MUST be careful with the RPM during this time or you can and will fly. I would typically run the RPM up to about 1500 to 1800 while the speed built up and work the throttle so the plane didn't get too fast. What you are looking for is the RPM that will allow you to just get the tail up. After you hold it up for a few seconds pull out the throttle and let the tail settle back down to the runway and slow down. This would be in essence the same procedure you would use to take off and land the plane except you don't go up in the air. After you are comfortable with this, I believe you should then just go fly the plane. I don't think trying to do a short hop is advisable unless you have a 10,000 foot runway or more and then I really don't think it is advisable. If you don't have a copy of my article on how to land a KR, let me know and I can send it to you off the list. I didn't get a tail wheel endorsement until a year after I was flying my KR and got it just for fun from a friend that had a tail dragger and his CFI. Hope this helps. Jim Faughn N891JF KR-2 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net You wrote: I have head the usual hype about the untaimable tail dragger. I am taking delivery in a couple of months and now have to tame the tail dragger. i have various optins available to me and would like some advice on the most suitable transition aircraft. Obviously the KR2 is also avail, but most agree I should get significant tail wheel hrs elsewhere before taking on the KR2. I am planning to do 110 - 15 hrs on either Tiger Moth or Super Decathlon and then move onto the KR? I would appreciate comments. Many thanks George Brink FAGM South Africa PS I have 1250 PPL hrs (mostly X-country) on C182 RG II. I need to pass CAA exams for Comm IF license. Again family committments have slowed the IF Comm down, but it will come. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:34:53 -0400 To: "KR Net Mailing List" From: "Shawn Christopherson" Subject: Re: The Tail dragger demon Message-ID: George, I agree with what has been said about taildraggers. You need some training, but it is certainly doable. When I was preparing to actually get my taildragger endorsement I read the book, The Compleat Taildragger Pilot, by Harvey S. Plourde. It was great for me and really helped me understand taildraggers and what was happening. Also, my KR2 taildragger seems to track strait and true. Better than any taildragger I have been in. Most of my taildragger time is in a Pacer, but I have some Clipper and Stinson time too. They were all more difficult in my opinion, but all very manageable. Shawn Christopherson http://ifly99.tripod.com Gardner, MA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:48:55 +1000 To: From: "sunirmalya symons" Subject: new buyer in australia, looking for advice Message-ID: <000b01c2125a$f6ea1dd0$5c49dccb@sunirmalya> ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C212AE.C8962DD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, i am looking at a 2nd hand kr-2 taildragger which looks very nice. It has a 1835cc VW in it and only 50hours TT, though it was built over 15 years, it was first flown in 1999. I know i am probably asking for a biased opinion but i am a little daunted as there seems to be a lot of accidents in the KRs Thanks for your advice in advance Kind Regards, Sunirmalya Symons 44 Branch Ave Figtree, 2525 tel: 4227 4177 email: ssymons@netspace.net.au ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C212AE.C8962DD0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:35:56 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet From: Frank Ross Subject: Re: KR> new buyer in australia, looking for advice Message-ID: <20020612233556.55954.qmail@web21502.mail.yahoo.com> Sunirmalya, I'm not sure where you are getting your information that 'there seems to be a lot of accidents in the KRs'. I'm not aware that there are any more than any other plane. The ones I do know of were due to pilot error or poor maintenance, not a design defect. As long as you get a good check-out on the plane and do not try to fly it without fuel, over loaded, or in weather you are not qualified for, it should fly as well or better than most. Enjoy, Frank Ross, San Antonio, TX, USA --- sunirmalya symons wrote: > Folks, > seems to be a lot of > accidents in the KRs > Thanks for your advice in advance > Kind Regards, > Sunirmalya Symons __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:40:51 -0500 To: "KR Net Response" From: "Jim Faughn" Subject: KR Landings Message-ID: Several people have already asked why I don't put the article I wrote on the list. The reason was that I've put it out several times and I didn't want to take up space. Oh well, I guess we have a number of new people on so I'll send it out again. Delete if you've seen it before. By the way, after 250+ flight hours I still use this today. The “Perfect” Landing In a KR??? After my test flight in my KR-2 I thought every landing would be as good. However, it seems that first landing was my best until I sat down to analyze each and every step before touchdown. The purpose of this article is to present the plan I use before each landing in hopes that it will help KR builders getting ready for their first flight and those having problems with consistent landings. Each phase of the landing process must be planned and executed if the successful touchdown will be made. I will try to explain each step along with the speeds and altitudes for each phase of the landing. Please keep in mind that those of us who fly experimental aircraft do not have calibrated airspeed systems and your speeds may and probably will be different. For your information, N891JF has an empty weight of 625 lbs, no flaps, I weigh 190 lbs, and typically carry 15 lbs of stuff in my baggage area. Phase 1 - Approach to the airport - The KR is a very slippery aircraft and you must plan to start slowing down before you reach the downwind leg of the airport pattern. I always try to descend to traffic pattern altitude (800 agl) and obtain a speed of 120 mph on downwind. Phase 2 - Downwind - When I have stabilized my speed on downwind, 120 mph, my RPM on the 2180 VW with a 52 X 52 prop is around 2000. This is a very comfortable speed to check all instruments, ensure the mixture is at full rich, and plan the touchdown point. Don’t forget to plan for either a strong headwind or a crosswind component. If you are facing a strong crosswind, this is the time to review what you will do at touchdown. (Which wing you will have low on approach and which wheel you will land on first.) You may not have time for “thinking” later. Phase 3 - Base - The base leg will be flown at 90 to 100 mph. I use the turn to aid in decreasing speed and lower my RPM to around 1600 to 1800. During the base leg, I will descend to an altitude of approximately 500 agl. Phase 4 - Turn to final - This is one of your great opportunities to decrease altitude. I usually slip (if it is a left pattern) on this turn to decrease altitude to 300 agl as I enter the final leg. It is important that you determine your best altitudes for each of the legs and always consider safety. In other words, remember, in case of engine failure, altitude is your best asset! Phase 5 - Final - Your two most important considerations on final are altitude and speed. You can always decrease altitude with a controlled slip. (The KR slips very good.) However, it is extremely difficult to decrease speed once you have let it build up. On final I will fly at 80 mph until I reach mid final, then I will decrease to 70 mph. I will hold this speed until short final (cross the end of the runway) at which time I begin decreasing speed. Phase 6 - Float - The KR is so close to the ground that you will encounter ground effect in a VERY big way. You can and should use this to your advantage in making the “perfect” landing. Patience is a huge virtue during this phase. I will NEVER land my airplane above 60 mph. If I try, and for the first 60 hours I tried all the way up to 80 mph, I WILL bounce!!! The reason for this is very simple. When you touch the main wheels down, the tail will lower, your angle of attack will increase and you will go back up in the air. This will continue until you are at the appropriate speed. What we want to do is make the landing once rather than getting current (bounce 5 times) every time we decide to land. Remember, we had just crossed the end of the runway decreasing speed out of 70 mph. At this time I pull back the throttle all the way and try to hold my KR inches off the runway. The more I concentrate on holding it off by inches the better landing I am able to make. I will glance, VERY quickly, at the airspeed indicator until it is below 60 mph and then I will continue to pull back on the stick concentrating on NOT touching down but instead maintaining the inch or two above the runway. When the stick is approximately one half the way back, we are now somewhere between 50 and 55 mph, I will let it then settle on the runway. Then I will raise the tail to decrease the lift and allow me to see over the nose. I have seen airspeeds, solo, as low as 40 mph before I actually touch the wheels down. I will continue to apply forward pressure on the stick keeping the nose up until I am almost to the limit. Next I will allow the tail to come back to the runway and then apply full back pressure on the stick to ensure the tail wheel stays on the ground as it takes over directional control from the rudder. If you are landing in a crosswind most experts agree you should wheel land the airplane and raise the tail to ensure the mains are securely on the ground. Ensure you apply the appropriate aileron going all the way to full. These controls of aileron and elevator must be managed as you complete your landing and as you taxi. You will learn how much of a crosswind component you and your KR are capable of over time and I recommend all early flights are with a crosswind component of less than 5 kts. I have found that the crosswind component I am capable of handling is more a function of my piloting ability (practice) than the airplane. If I follow my own procedures, I will make a good landing every time. However, I seem to make exceptions when concentration lapses. For example, if I lower the nose on final I will gain speed very quickly, usually to 100+ mph, and this makes the landing more difficult unless you are very good at using slips to decrease speed. Another point that should be made is that when flying with two people I will raise the speeds on final by 5+ mph compensating for the increase in weight and stall speed. What happens if I bounce? The first thing you have to decide is how bad of a bounce is it? I put bounces into three categories. First is BAD. If this is the case or if everything just doesn’t seem right your only good option is to advance the throttle to full and go around. Don’t worry about your ego just do it, GO AROUND. Second is a small bounce. If you come back up 6 inches to a foot, then don’t over control, just re-land the plane. The reason for the small bounce was probably that you were going too fast when you let the airplane set down. The third bounce is in-between. The recovery from an in-between bounce will depend upon your skill level with your KR. If you have only been flying for 10 hours, you should probably go around. However, as your skills improve there is another option. To recover, apply approximately half throttle, stop the oscillation, and re-land the airplane. This only works if you stay in ground effect and remember you are very close to a stall so DON’T try this unless you are comfortable with your plane, your skills and you have a long enough runway. I certainly hope the information will prove helpful as you think about test flying your KR or are trying to improve your landings. If you can visualize and plan each phase of the landing process you will be able to make “perfect” landings. I am not a flight instructor and only present the information here in hopes you will not make the same mistakes I did in my early flights. If you would like to discuss these phases prior to flying your KR then give me a call. Perhaps we can improve this narrative for others. Good Landings Jim Faughn 4323D Laclede Ave. St. Louis, MO 63108 (314)652-7659 Mailto:jfaughn@mvp.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:52:32 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: End of the Newsletter Message-ID: <002a01c2126c$38742960$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C21242.4F51D620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well this is possibly another sad note in the KR history. Monte Miller = has announced in this months Newsletter that the August 2002 edition = will be the last edition unless someone steps up and buys the rights to = the Newsletter. If no one does so by August, all assets and rights to = the Newsletter will be assigned to the EAA library archives. I for one = do not want to see an end to the newsletter and hope someone with = printing and editorial experience steps up and takes over. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C21242.4F51D620-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:23:43 -0400 (EDT) To: flykr2s@wi.rr.com (Mark Jones), krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Re: KR> End of the Newsletter Message-ID: <28660-3D07E60F-492@storefull-2173.public.lawson.webtv.net> That is too bad. When I tried to help the KR newsletter by sending in an article, both Monte and his predecessor, Earl Teporten would ignore my input until years would go by and they tired of the cries for contributions. Then they would publish my articles. All the while crying about how the info in the newsletters was THERE'S, not "ours" as it should have been. They harped on the copyright so much that they lost track of what the newsletter should have been. Information supplied BY the builders, FOR the builders!! I let my subscription expire at the end of 1999. While I would have loved to continue it to this day, I saw then that the thinking seemed to be "what can this newsletter do for ME, not the subscribers and article contributors". Perhaps it is time for the end to come to a way of information sharing that is controlled by one person who would restrict access to that information under the guise of bettering himself either financially or to boost his ego. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:37:33 -0500 To: "KR-Net" , From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> End of the Newsletter Message-ID: <003501c21272$824002c0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Monte's e-mail is montmil@flashnet.com and he will advise as he did not list cost in the current newsletter. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry A. Capps" To: "'Mark Jones'" Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: RE: KR> End of the Newsletter > How much does he want for the rights, I'm in a buying mood! > > Larry A. Capps > Naperville, IL > > Home (630) 305-8464 > PCS (630) 747-7404 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Jones [mailto:flykr2s@wi.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:53 PM > To: KR-Net > Subject: KR> End of the Newsletter > > > Well this is possibly another sad note in the KR history. Monte Miller has > announced in this months Newsletter that the August 2002 edition will be the > last edition unless someone steps up and buys the rights to the Newsletter. > If no one does so by August, all assets and rights to the Newsletter will be > assigned to the EAA library archives. I for one do not want to see an end to > the newsletter and hope someone with printing and editorial experience steps > up and takes over. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 21:49:49 -0500 To: "Mark Jones" , "KR-Net" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> End of the Newsletter Message-ID: <007501c21284$fbfcb1a0$d6dc1f41@Administration> I feel the same way, it's just as important as the kr-net. A great resource. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Jones" To: "KR-Net" Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 6:52 PM Subject: KR> End of the Newsletter Well this is possibly another sad note in the KR history. Monte Miller has announced in this months Newsletter that the August 2002 edition will be the last edition unless someone steps up and buys the rights to the Newsletter. If no one does so by August, all assets and rights to the Newsletter will be assigned to the EAA library archives. I for one do not want to see an end to the newsletter and hope someone with printing and editorial experience steps up and takes over. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:31:41 -0400 To: , "Mark JONES" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> End of the Newsletter Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C21269.4E6C9480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Then they would publish my articles. All the while crying about how the info in the newsletters was THERE'S, not "ours" as it should have been. They harped on the copyright so much that they lost track of what the newsletter should have been. Information supplied BY the builders, FOR the builders!! I let my subscription expire at the end of 1999. While I would have loved to continue it to this day, I saw then that the thinking seemed to be "what can this newsletter do for ME, not the subscribers and article contributors". I was just thinking of the "Copyright" material. If the publisher takes p= ictures off the internet and publishes and copyrights them, will the is t= he pictures on the internet be in violation of the copyright. A few month= s ago when the pictures of Gene Byrd's crash was published in the newslet= ter, I took the letter to show to Gene and he was very surprised by the a= rticle. Shouldn't the publisher get a release from the owner prior to pub= lishing and copyrighting someone's pictures? Jack Cooper --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C21269.4E6C9480-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:09:08 -0400 From: David Mullins CC: KR-Net Subject: Re: KR> End of the Newsletter Message-ID: <3D081AE4.AA501E60@attbi.com> Netters, Why don't we find out what Monte wants. Everyone can pitch in a few $ (like we did for the new airfoil) Buy the rights and put them into the public domain. All back issues could be scanned and PDF'd for download. I have access to a 65PPM B&W scanner and PDF software. I still have over a year of subscription left after August 2002. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Mark Jones wrote: > Well this is possibly another sad note in the KR history. Monte Miller has announced in this months Newsletter that the August 2002 edition will be the last edition unless someone steps up and buys the rights to the Newsletter. If no one does so by August, all assets and rights to the Newsletter will be assigned to the EAA library archives. I for one do not want to see an end to the newsletter and hope someone with printing and editorial experience steps up and takes over. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:04:24 -0700 To: "KR-Net" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> End of the Newsletter Message-ID: If he still has all the newsletters and the price is right, you can count me in. I would rather do that, than trust Monte to do the right thing. That way, we can be sure that they are made available to everyone. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: David Mullins [mailto:n323xl@attbi.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:09 PM Cc: KR-Net Subject: Re: KR> End of the Newsletter Netters, Why don't we find out what Monte wants. Everyone can pitch in a few $ (like we did for the new airfoil) Buy the rights and put them into the public domain. All back issues could be scanned and PDF'd for download. I have access to a 65PPM B&W scanner and PDF software. I still have over a year of subscription left after August 2002. Dave Mullins Nashua, New Hampshire http://n323xl.iwarp.com Mark Jones wrote: > Well this is possibly another sad note in the KR history. Monte Miller has announced in this months Newsletter that the August 2002 edition will be the last edition unless someone steps up and buys the rights to the Newsletter. If no one does so by August, all assets and rights to the Newsletter will be assigned to the EAA library archives. I for one do not want to see an end to the newsletter and hope someone with printing and editorial experience steps up and takes over. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:12:14 -0400 To: flykr2s@wi.rr.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> End of the Newsletter Message-ID: <20020613.062156.-285179.0.virgnvs@juno.com> Neither do I, but a ballpark price would be good, Virg On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 18:52:32 -0500 "Mark Jones" writes: > Well this is possibly another sad note in the KR history. Monte > Miller has announced in this months Newsletter that the August 2002 > edition will be the last edition unless someone steps up and buys > the rights to the Newsletter. If no one does so by August, all > assets and rights to the Newsletter will be assigned to the EAA > library archives. I for one do not want to see an end to the > newsletter and hope someone with printing and editorial experience > steps up and takes over. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:10:24 -0500 To: "KR Net Mail" From: "Patrick Driscoll" Subject: Newsletter Message-ID: <002401c21287$ddd05c60$dedb6843@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2125D.F3B3CAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I retired about five years ago from a printing business that I owned. = I have sold all my equipment but I think I could find a AB Dick 310 = tabletop press and an electrostatic plate maker somewhere on the used = market for a couple of hundred dollars. This set-up will not run four color flashy pictures but it will do a = nice newsletter and some spot color can be added now and then. I do not = know anything about writing a newsletter but if I had enough input from = all of you, I could assemble some kind of booklet or flyer or two page = or whatever is necessary. There would be no copyright or claim to any = content and I doubt that it could come out every month, but it could be = sent out when ever I had enough articles from you people to get a decent = letter printed. I might even be able to borrow some press time if it = were not too many letters being put out. I would need to know how many = people would want this newsletter and how much they would pay for it, = (Just enough to cover costs)and how much info they would contribute. Patrick Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Pat driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2125D.F3B3CAA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:37:06 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: KRFlyboy@aol.com Subject: Newsletter Message-ID: <26.2906d314.2a396d62@aol.com> Let it go... With all the free web-servers on the net these days, why not just make an online archive of topics and how-to's? If someone more computer savy than I would be willing to take on this venture, we as a group can submit articles to the moderator who then can put them on the webpage for all to view. There would be no monthly newsletter that you have to pay for, there is no cost behind it other than the comptuers we already own. And no one would have to buy the rights to the newsletter since this would not be the same. No waiting for the next months copy to come out, things can be posted daily if they come up. Granted, I can say this because I am not computer savy enough to pull it off.. but like I said, for all the free webservers out there, it can be done. Sort of like the KRNET archives.. possible? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:42:32 -0500 To: "Patrick Driscoll" From: "Ron Eason" Cc: "krnet" Subject: Re: KR> Newsletter Message-ID: <004901c2128c$59bd8830$d6dc1f41@Administration> I would buy a subscription and even donate some money to help you purchase these items you need if you want to take on the task. Contact Monte and he should give you the list of subscribers. KRRon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR Net Mail" Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:10 PM Subject: KR> Newsletter Patrick Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Pat driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:05:07 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Newsletter Message-ID: <011501c2128f$82614030$ec02a58c@tbekhpjnuqn30g> Ken wrote: > Let it go... With all the free web-servers on the net these days, why not > just make an online archive of topics and how-to's? If someone more computer > savy than I would be willing to take on this venture, we as a group can > submit articles to the moderator who then can put them on the webpage for all > to view. Kinda like "KROnline" that we did back in '96 (see them at www.krnet.org about half way down the page)? This is really the way to go, with hyperlinks and color photos. Randy Stein was the "editor" for these. I don't know if he's in the mood to do this again, but anybody that takes the time to read these five issues should be convinced that this is the way to go! If you've never read these issues, you owe it to yourself (and to us) to check them out. The problem is how do you reach those builders who don't have a computer? Perhaps somebody can simply print them and mail them out for a reasonable fee (like what it is now), continuing the Newsletter, and providing a far better service for web and non-web users alike. I'm not voluteering for it, but I think it deserves some thought from somebody that has a little more time than I do. But I have to admit that there is some good stuff in the old Newsletters that is invaluable. As much as I hate to even consider this option, we might could take up a collection and buy the rights to the old Newsletters from Monte, scan them all and put them on CD, and then somebody could sell them for a profit and dessiminate all of "our" information to other builders. But then if he donates it to the EAA, then maybe we could have it for free. I think he knows what the "right" thing to do is... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:02:37 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Newsletter Message-ID: I thought that someone posted that Monte had destroyed all the old newsletters. If he hasn't, I think the best thing for him to do, is to donate them to EAA. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242 at: WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Mark Langford [mailto:langford@hiwaay.net] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 9:05 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Newsletter Ken wrote: > Let it go... With all the free web-servers on the net these days, why not > just make an online archive of topics and how-to's? If someone more computer > savy than I would be willing to take on this venture, we as a group can > submit articles to the moderator who then can put them on the webpage for all > to view. Kinda like "KROnline" that we did back in '96 (see them at www.krnet.org about half way down the page)? This is really the way to go, with hyperlinks and color photos. Randy Stein was the "editor" for these. I don't know if he's in the mood to do this again, but anybody that takes the time to read these five issues should be convinced that this is the way to go! If you've never read these issues, you owe it to yourself (and to us) to check them out. The problem is how do you reach those builders who don't have a computer? Perhaps somebody can simply print them and mail them out for a reasonable fee (like what it is now), continuing the Newsletter, and providing a far better service for web and non-web users alike. I'm not voluteering for it, but I think it deserves some thought from somebody that has a little more time than I do. But I have to admit that there is some good stuff in the old Newsletters that is invaluable. As much as I hate to even consider this option, we might could take up a collection and buy the rights to the old Newsletters from Monte, scan them all and put them on CD, and then somebody could sell them for a profit and dessiminate all of "our" information to other builders. But then if he donates it to the EAA, then maybe we could have it for free. I think he knows what the "right" thing to do is... Mark Langford mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:18:40 -0400 To: langford@hiwaay.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Newsletter Message-ID: <20020613.062156.-285179.1.virgnvs@juno.com> If it is donated to the EAA, YOU WILL PAY!! Virg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 05:56:49 -0500 To: , From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Newsletter Message-ID: <000d01c212c9$05131ba0$d6dc1f41@Administration> What about the time spent compiling and editing the work? Sounds like work to me. It's nice to be charitable but time is money to most people and that's ok in my book. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:37 PM Subject: KR> Newsletter > Let it go... With all the free web-servers on the net these days, why not > just make an online archive of topics and how-to's? If someone more computer > savy than I would be willing to take on this venture, we as a group can > submit articles to the moderator who then can put them on the webpage for all > to view. There would be no monthly newsletter that you have to pay for, there > is no cost behind it other than the comptuers we already own. And no one > would have to buy the rights to the newsletter since this would not be the > same. No waiting for the next months copy to come out, things can be posted > daily if they come up. Granted, I can say this because I am not computer savy > enough to pull it off.. but like I said, for all the free webservers out > there, it can be done. Sort of like the KRNET archives.. possible? > > Ken > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:44:25 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: jaslkw@webtv.net (Linda Warner) Subject: Fwd: KR> Newsletter Message-ID: <8526-3D0893A9-444@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net> --WebTV-Mail-635-253 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Hi all. I agree with this way of thinking. I feel there will always be a certain percentage of people who will never get online and still want the info that can be disseminated via the newsletter. If the newsletter could be picked up by the group, I would chip in to help all I could and would resume writing articles for it the way I used to. I feel if that it were owned by the group and didn't hold the copyright over our heads, it could be a much nicer newsletter than what it has been. Also, if the publisher were on the KR net, then a lot of the discussions, articles etc that bounce around on here could be incorporated into the N/L. It could even be possible that the publisher would not have to be the one who would print the N/L. It would be handier if it were, but if two talents could be pooled, then the N/L may have a better chance of surviving. I for one would re-subscribe to the N/L if it survives in a non-copyrighted form. It's always handy to have this type info available in print, especially if you want to take it to the shop with you to read or compare how someone else did vs. how you are doing it etc. Let's hear some other ideas. John Sickafoose Naples, Fl --WebTV-Mail-635-253 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from smtpin-2207.public.lawson.webtv.net (209.240.213.137) by storefull-2171.public.lawson.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailinglists.org (server1.mailinglists.org [63.160.175.18]) by smtpin-2207.public.lawson.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with SMTP id 7A862FE51 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 351 invoked by alias); 13 Jun 2002 03:11:56 -0000 Mailing-List: contact krnet-help@mailinglists.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: Delivered-To: mailing list krnet@mailinglists.org Received: (qmail 342 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2002 03:11:55 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c21287$ddd05c60$dedb6843@oemcomputer> From: "Patrick Driscoll" To: "KR Net Mail" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 22:10:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2125D.F3B3CAA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: KR> Newsletter ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2125D.F3B3CAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I retired about five years ago from a printing business that I owned. = I have sold all my equipment but I think I could find a AB Dick 310 = tabletop press and an electrostatic plate maker somewhere on the used = market for a couple of hundred dollars. This set-up will not run four color flashy pictures but it will do a = nice newsletter and some spot color can be added now and then. I do not = know anything about writing a newsletter but if I had enough input from = all of you, I could assemble some kind of booklet or flyer or two page = or whatever is necessary. There would be no copyright or claim to any = content and I doubt that it could come out every month, but it could be = sent out when ever I had enough articles from you people to get a decent = letter printed. I might even be able to borrow some press time if it = were not too many letters being put out. I would need to know how many = people would want this newsletter and how much they would pay for it, = (Just enough to cover costs)and how much info they would contribute. Patrick Driscoll patrick36@usfamily.net Pat driscoll ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! ------ ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C2125D.F3B3CAA0-- --WebTV-Mail-635-253-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 09:35:47 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Newsletter Message-ID: AMEN on that Brother Virg..... Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:18:40 -0400 virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > If it is donated to the EAA, YOU WILL PAY!! >Virg > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >"reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 01:56:35 -0400 To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Bob Lee" Subject: Pitch Sensitivity Message-ID: <001101c2129f$143b0ef0$040c0b0a@cheryl> KRnetters, It seems like the issue of "Pitch Sensitivity" keeps coming up over and over. In my humble opinion, this thread is a cover story for pilot unfamiliarity. The first time I got my hands on the stick of a KR2 it felt like the bronco bull ride at the local Texas Dance Hall. Previously, all my experience had been in Cessnas and Pipers of varying sizes. None of that experience prepared me to pilot a KR2. I have talked to many KR pilots who love the flying characteristics of their KRs. My conclusion from this vast research is that they know how to fly a KR and I don't. This is why I've concluded that "Pitch Sensitivity" is not about the KR, it's about the pilot. Control forces are typically measured in stick force pounds per G. In the KR the stick forces are so light that the weight of your arm can generate significant additional input. For that reason it is imperative that you learn to fly the KR with your elbow anchored somewhere. Depending on aircraft configuration of center stick or between the legs controls, the methods vary. However the results in all cases are the same. Find a way that is comfortable for you to generate very small amounts of stick force and the KR will fly right where you want it to. Some pilots have installed a console to rest their elbow on others keep their elbow against their side, still others rest their forearm on their thigh. Bottom line, if you keep the input soft the KR flies like a dream. You can't fly your KR using the same techniques you use to ham fist spam cans around the sky with lots of arm and shoulder effort. Can you imagine an F-18 pilot coming back from a mission and complaining to his CO "I would have done better boss, but the plane was just too sensitive" while everyone else in the squadron successfully completed the mission? I'm sure the orders would go out immediately to the Maintenance Chief to change the design of the control system because it's too sensitive. If we conclude that the problem is the airplane, how can we explain the thousands of KRs that have flown successfully? I agree with the NTSB, if the wings don't fall off, it's always pilot error, the plane is too dumb to make mistakes. Regards, Bob Lee _____________________________________ N52BL 90% done only 50% to go e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com web site: http://flyboybob.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:28:23 +0200 To: "KRnet (E-mail)" From: "Livingstone, Danny (DJ)" Subject: RE: KR> Pitch Sensitivity Message-ID: Well said Bob. The KR like all aircraft has it's own flying characteristics, some pilots are attracted to them some aren't. I can't claim to be high hour pilot with only the likes of Cherokees, 172 and 152 (Oh yes, and a 20 min. flip in a Harvard and 1 hour in a king air 90). But of all the aircraft I have piloted the KR got my blood flowing the most. The thing is, the KR is the closest I will ever come to flying (and owning) a pocket rocket like most of us on this list! You either love it or hate it. Here is a strange statistic in South Africa, we have more KR-2's on our aircraft register than we do C152's. How about that! Cheers guys Danny Livingstone Sasolburg South Africa > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Lee [SMTP:bob@flyboybob.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 7:57 AM > To: KRnet (E-mail) > Subject: KR> Pitch Sensitivity > > KRnetters, > > It seems like the issue of "Pitch Sensitivity" keeps coming up over and > over. > ********************************************************************** This e-mail and its attachments, if any, are intended only for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain information that is legally privileged, confidential, or both. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are strictly prohibited from disseminating, distributing or copying this email and its attachments, if any. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender and permanently delete the original and any copies of this e-mail, its attachments, and any printed copies of any of them. ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 06:04:55 -0500 To: , "KRnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Pitch Sensitivity Message-ID: <001e01c212ca$261d1890$d6dc1f41@Administration> THAT MAKES SENSE. KRron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Lee" To: "KRnet (E-mail)" Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2002 12:56 AM Subject: KR> Pitch Sensitivity > KRnetters, > > It seems like the issue of "Pitch Sensitivity" keeps coming up over and > over. In my humble opinion, this thread is a cover story for pilot > unfamiliarity. The first time I got my hands on the stick of a KR2 it felt > like the bronco bull ride at the local Texas Dance Hall. Previously, all my > experience had been in Cessnas and Pipers of varying sizes. None of that > experience prepared me to pilot a KR2. I have talked to many KR pilots who > love the flying characteristics of their KRs. My conclusion from this vast > research is that they know how to fly a KR and I don't. This is why I've > concluded that "Pitch Sensitivity" is not about the KR, it's about the > pilot. > > Control forces are typically measured in stick force pounds per G. In the > KR the stick forces are so light that the weight of your arm can generate > significant additional input. For that reason it is imperative that you > learn to fly the KR with your elbow anchored somewhere. Depending on > aircraft configuration of center stick or between the legs controls, the > methods vary. However the results in all cases are the same. Find a way > that is comfortable for you to generate very small amounts of stick force > and the KR will fly right where you want it to. Some pilots have installed > a console to rest their elbow on others keep their elbow against their side, > still others rest their forearm on their thigh. Bottom line, if you keep > the input soft the KR flies like a dream. You can't fly your KR using the > same techniques you use to ham fist spam cans around the sky with lots of > arm and shoulder effort. > > Can you imagine an F-18 pilot coming back from a mission and complaining to > his CO "I would have done better boss, but the plane was just too sensitive" > while everyone else in the squadron successfully completed the mission? I'm > sure the orders would go out immediately to the Maintenance Chief to change > the design of the control system because it's too sensitive. If we conclude > that the problem is the airplane, how can we explain the thousands of KRs > that have flown successfully? I agree with the NTSB, if the wings don't > fall off, it's always pilot error, the plane is too dumb to make mistakes. > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > _____________________________________ > N52BL 90% done only 50% to go > e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com > web site: http://flyboybob.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:53:53 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> Pitch Sensitivity Message-ID: What Bob said makes sense, but................ I've tried to stay out of this but lets look at the real world. The airplane is pitch sensitive. KR pilots learn to manage the sensitivity as long, as you don't have to look at a map or pick up your dropped pencil then it's "clear the airspace gang, I'm looking down". You learn to manage it if you want to fly this airplane. Last time this was brought up, we Managed to document and authenticate the research done on the tail of this airplane. Near the actual (not published) CG of the KR2 the elevator lbs feel is 1.3 lbs., the 2S is 2.1 lbs. In the world of accepted aeronautical design, 3 lbs. is considered light with somewhere around the low 4s being a nice feeling elevator. Without using a calculator, I'm guessing about 35% of accepted norm for the 2 and 50% for the 2S. The original KR stab is just that, a stab. It has a real world characteristic of floating in the prevailing wind. Add this to it's very, very light loading and you can't "feel" what you are doing with control inputs. You just have to make small changes and see what happens. The KR elevator lacks feel until you load it up. Add a little airfoil back there and you change the whole equation. Learn to manage it and you'll swear by it, if not, you'll swear at it. As for the F-18, they installed accepted stick force to simulate acceptable design parameters so the pilots could "feel" stick force on the fly be wire design. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:33:15 -0400 To: richontheroad@hotmail.com, KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal Message-ID: >From: "Richard Parker" >I;'ve been thinking that an aluminum empenage on a kr would be perfect. >Maybe Dana has something to add. > >Rich Parker >Peterborough NH > After playing around with alum., boy would this be easy. Just break your two skins around a dowel to achieve a nice smooth leading edge. Fabricate (yes, I said fabricate:-), a center spar, aft spar with flanges and two outboard, two inboard and two center ribs.....drill and rivet. In the grand scheme of things, it would take longer to fabricate this than to fabricate the KR stab but it sure would be light. Your only problem would be designing it so as to enable you to reach up inside and buck the rivets. My RV horizontal stab is 3.5" thick in the center and 3 1/8" at the trailing edge. Then again, you could use structual pops and flush pop it together. With the pre punched RV stuff out now, I had less than 100 hrs total construction (assemby) time on my emp. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:50:24 +0000 To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: "Richard Parker" Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal Message-ID: I've seen them being fabricated for Gyro's from scratch. 40 hours max. Rich Parker Peterborough,NH >From: "Dana Overall" >To: richontheroad@hotmail.com, KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG >Subject: Re: KR> elevator removal >Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:33:15 -0400 > > > > >>From: "Richard Parker" >>I;'ve been thinking that an aluminum empenage on a kr would be perfect. >>Maybe Dana has something to add. >> >>Rich Parker >>Peterborough NH >> > >After playing around with alum., boy would this be easy. Just break your >two skins around a dowel to achieve a nice smooth leading edge. Fabricate >(yes, I said fabricate:-), a center spar, aft spar with flanges and two >outboard, two inboard and two center ribs.....drill and rivet. In the >grand scheme of things, it would take longer to fabricate this than to >fabricate the KR stab but it sure would be light. Your only problem would >be designing it so as to enable you to reach up inside and buck the rivets. > My RV horizontal stab is 3.5" thick in the center and 3 1/8" at the >trailing edge. Then again, you could use structual pops and flush pop it >together. With the pre punched RV stuff out now, I had less than 100 hrs >total construction (assemby) time on my emp. > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >http://rvflying.tripod.com > Rich Parker _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:34:17 -0400 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "Conley, Paul W." Subject: Diehl Gear Message-id: <070AE2805DAC5F409222E15F3FCA421606BEE5AB@uuhil-354> --Boundary_(ID_asDcd1kUWckEeGeifzYEOQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=us-ascii Hi all, My Dilemma is this... Dan Diehl is out for a week or so I'll pose this to all of us to ponder....... I am putting the tail drag main gear on my KR2 and got noticing that the gear that I have is actually for a tri set up. (2 tapers on the leg instead of one taper and one straight) I can see where this would put the wheels about 2.5 inches foreword on the ground of where it normally would touch. Obviously slightly effecting CG and "touchdown squirrelability"... Has anyone set their mains foreword like this or has used the tri gear this way....?? Or has anyone got the correct td mains for sale or trade?? I have the tri mains and nose gear (not Deihl) that I would trade for...... Thanks! Cols. Ohio.. N38TF KR2 Thank you, Paul Conley LAN-WAN Engineer, Global Hosting GHNEI (Net. Eng. & Implementation) UUNET, an MCI WorldCom Company (614) 723-7647 / paul.conley@wcom.com --Boundary_(ID_asDcd1kUWckEeGeifzYEOQ)-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************