From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 4 Jul 2002 02:27:36 -0000 Issue 468 Date: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 7:28 PM krnet Digest 4 Jul 2002 02:27:36 -0000 Issue 468 Topics (messages 11257 through 11281): Re: KR Newsletter - What's next 11257 by: Jerry Mahurin 11258 by: Stephen J Robinson 11259 by: Ron Eason 11260 by: idrawtobuild 11263 by: ROBERT COOPER post cure 11261 by: rfarmer 11262 by: asavant.notes.state.ne.us KR Newsletter 11264 by: Frederic Livesey newsletter 11265 by: Rick Wilson KR 2S Progress Report - Birth of a Boat 11266 by: B Wunder Wheels and Brake Questions 11267 by: larry flesner WAF Loads 11268 by: NORM-RUTH 11271 by: Donald Reid 11272 by: larry flesner 11273 by: Donald Reid WAF 11269 by: Daniel Heath Re: WAF's 11270 by: ace nunye 11274 by: rfarmer 11275 by: Donald Reid 11280 by: Glasco Chris Gardiner's KR2S in Kitplanes 11276 by: Frank Ross 11277 by: Robert Stone 11278 by: virgnvs.juno.com ground adjustable wood prop 11279 by: Rick Wilson High Temp Epoxy 11281 by: Ron Eason Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 09:22:28 -0400 To: "KRnet" From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - What's next Message-ID: Larry, My hat's off to you....!!!! Good luck....!!! I will suscribe as soon as you get it set up. Even though my Partner Dan wants one of the CDs; I do also. I could just use his, but I don't mind chipping in the $$ to support your efforts. I will also contribute at least one article a year.... Thanx again....!! Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:36:59 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" wrote: >Hello KRNet, > >This email is for everyone of you - building, flying, >dreaming or thinking >about KR's. In the best interest of the KR community >I've acquired the KR >Newsletter, and would like to know what we as a group >intend to see happen >to it. > >Here’s the first question for the group: >Is there enough interest and support to keep the KR >Newsletter alive? > >To fully understand the above question, you must give >consideration to the >five fundamentals which allows a newsletter function. > >1.) Participation/information >2.) postage >3.) printing and supply costs >4.) organize and gather information >5.) edit and publish the newsletter > >First and foremost is membership participation. The KR >Newsletter cannot >function if you as a member do not take the time to send >in building ideas, >pictures, examples or stories that would be helpful or >provide interest to >the membership. It’s fully understood that a lot of you >don’t wish to write >up complete articles, however you can provide a brief >description of what we >see in the picture or how great that first flight felt in >your new creation! > >Here’s the second question for the group: >Would you be interested in 27 years of the KR Newsletter >(every page ever >printed) compiled and saved in file format to a CD and >fully searchable with >a built-in search engine? > >One of the most important features of the KR Newsletter >is its combined >knowledge base (building ideas and stories) captured over >27 years of >publication. With this information compiled on CD and >utilizing the built >in search engine you will be able to search for specific >words or text >phrases related to your building question. > >Your thoughts and ideas are most welcomed. > > >Sincerely, > >Larry A. Capps >KR Newsletter >Naperville, IL > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT >"reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: >krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: >krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at >http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ >and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 09:20:41 -0400 To: lacapps@attbi.com From: Stephen J Robinson Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - What's next Message-ID: <20020702.105252.-325937.0.sjrobinson2@juno.com> Larry, Count me in as a subscriber to your new enterprise. What conditions, price, are you willing to provide all of the past issues, from the beginning? Steve Robinson On Mon, 1 Jul 2002 23:36:59 -0500 "Larry A. Capps" writes: > Hello KRNet, > > This email is for everyone of you - building, flying, dreaming or > thinking > about KR's. In the best interest of the KR community I've acquired > the KR > Newsletter, and would like to know what we as a group intend to see > happen > to it. > > Here’s the first question for the group: > Is there enough interest and support to keep the KR Newsletter > alive? > > To fully understand the above question, you must give consideration > to the > five fundamentals which allows a newsletter function. > > 1.) Participation/information > 2.) postage > 3.) printing and supply costs > 4.) organize and gather information > 5.) edit and publish the newsletter > > First and foremost is membership participation. The KR Newsletter > cannot > function if you as a member do not take the time to send in building > ideas, > pictures, examples or stories that would be helpful or provide > interest to > the membership. It’s fully understood that a lot of you don’t wish > to write > up complete articles, however you can provide a brief description of > what we > see in the picture or how great that first flight felt in your new > creation! > > Here’s the second question for the group: > Would you be interested in 27 years of the KR Newsletter (every page > ever > printed) compiled and saved in file format to a CD and fully > searchable with > a built-in search engine? > > One of the most important features of the KR Newsletter is its > combined > knowledge base (building ideas and stories) captured over 27 years > of > publication. With this information compiled on CD and utilizing the > built > in search engine you will be able to search for specific words or > text > phrases related to your building question. > > Your thoughts and ideas are most welcomed. > > > Sincerely, > > Larry A. Capps > KR Newsletter > Naperville, IL > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > o post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 10:11:22 -0500 To: "krnet" From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Re: KR Newsletter - What's next Message-ID: <004001c221da$b9d44a80$d6dc1f41@Administration> Yes, and we all should help with this work. KRRon > I was so excited about the new letter I forgot to thank you for taking on > this challenge! > My hat is off to you! > Darren > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry A. Capps > To: 'Darren Pond' > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 10:12 PM > Subject: KR Newsletter - What's next > > > > Darren, > > > > Your thoughts are my thoughts, lets hope more see it that way. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Larry A. Capps > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > on the CD > > > > membership to a new letter > > > > share at least one flight or building experience each year. > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ > and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 08:17:48 -0700 To: From: "idrawtobuild" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - What's next Message-ID: <002a01c221db$a0e4d160$6e13fea9@greg> Larry, Count me in for a CD an as a subscriber to your new enterprise. What conditions, price, are you willing to provide all of the past issues, from the beginning? Greg S. Martin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 13:36:11 -0400 To: , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - What's next Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C221CD.6DCDA080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Larry Yes, Yes, Yes. Thanks Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry A. Capps Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:38 PM To: KR Builders List (E-mail) Subject: KR> KR Newsletter - What's next Hello KRNet, This email is for everyone of you - building, flying, dreaming or thinkin= g about KR's. In the best interest of the KR community I've acquired the K= R Newsletter, and would like to know what we as a group intend to see happe= n to it. Here=E2=80=99s the first question for the group: Is there enough interest and support to keep the KR Newsletter alive? To fully understand the above question, you must give consideration to th= e five fundamentals which allows a newsletter function. 1.) Participation/information 2.) postage 3.) printing and supply costs 4.) organize and gather information 5.) edit and publish the newsletter First and foremost is membership participation. The KR Newsletter cannot function if you as a member do not take the time to send in building idea= s, pictures, examples or stories that would be helpful or provide interest t= o the membership. It=E2=80=99s fully understood that a lot of you don=E2=80= =99t wish to write up complete articles, however you can provide a brief description of what= we see in the picture or how great that first flight felt in your new creati= on! Here=E2=80=99s the second question for the group: Would you be interested in 27 years of the KR Newsletter (every page ever printed) compiled and saved in file format to a CD and fully searchable w= ith a built-in search engine? One of the most important features of the KR Newsletter is its combined knowledge base (building ideas and stories) captured over 27 years of publication. With this information compiled on CD and utilizing the buil= t in search engine you will be able to search for specific words or text phrases related to your building question. Your thoughts and ideas are most welcomed. Sincerely, Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.escribe.com/aviation/krnet/ and at http://www.bouyea.net/ for the older ones ------=_NextPart_001_0000_01C221CD.6DCDA080-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 11:49:03 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "rfarmer" Subject: post cure Message-ID: <002401c221e0$0d572100$a74562d8@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C221BE.76A7B380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well I have both halves of the canopy glassed on the outside and trimmed = to fit. Ran out of Aeropoxy last week so that threw me behind, where I = normally stay. Got it from AS&S Monday and well I won't start on them = but I could have been happier with this order. I am going to build the = forward deck & the windshield, but not the instrument panel, as a = removable unit with the door closing into the windshield frame. With the = windshield removed and the door open there would be access to everything = from the back of the seat to the firewall.=20 This brings up a question that I don't know if I ever knew the answer = to. Does anyone know what the optimum time is after the initial lay up = to the post cure? Got to get back to work, glad to hear the newsletter = is back. =20 Thanks Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net ------=_NextPart_000_0021_01C221BE.76A7B380-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 12:11:35 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: asavant@notes.state.ne.us Subject: Re: KR> post cure Message-ID: I think the recommend time is within 6 months. But no matter how much time has elapsed since the layup it will still be beneficial to post cure it. And there is no real difference between 6 months or some other time. You might want to confirm with Aeropoxy. Ameet "rfarmer" > cc: Subject: KR> post cure 07/02/2002 10:49 AM Well I have both halves of the canopy glassed on the outside and trimmed to fit. Ran out of Aeropoxy last week so that threw me behind, where I normally stay. Got it from AS&S Monday and well I won't start on them but I could have been happier with this order. I am going to build the forward deck & the windshield, but not the instrument panel, as a removable unit with the door closing into the windshield frame. With the windshield removed and the door open there would be access to everything from the back of the seat to the firewall. This brings up a question that I don't know if I ever knew the answer to. Does anyone know what the optimum time is after the initial lay up to the post cure? Got to get back to work, glad to hear the newsletter is back. Thanks Bob Farmer rfarmer@naxs.net ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 20:22:30 +0100 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Frederic Livesey Subject: KR Newsletter Message-ID: <2002070220223067465@zetnet.co.uk> Larry, excellent that you have acquired the KR Newsletter, being in the UK an electronic newsletter would be the best option for me and the CD is a brilliant idea. Even though, there are only about 5 KR's here in the UK, I would be willing to copy and distribute the CD in the UK and maybe become the European contact if you wished. Perhaps I should add that I am about to commence the construction of a KR2S hopefully using a Corvair engine if we can obtain permission from the PFA. Regards Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 16:12:03 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: newsletter Message-ID: <20020702231203.96340.qmail@web21206.mail.yahoo.com> Larry, Congratulations on aquiring the newsletter. Count me in for a CD and a subscription if you decide to publish. Rick Wilson. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 21:18:10 -0400 To: From: "B Wunder" Subject: KR 2S Progress Report - Birth of a Boat Message-ID: <010c01c2222f$810e4ac0$e5e5150a@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C2220D.F7880140 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings from Southern Maryland, I have been a long time reader/lurker of the KR net and so about 6 = months ago I started the fabrication of my KR 2S. Yesterday I reached my = first milestone..the birth of the boat. I can now go on to something = else, like wing pieces and spars. I ordered my wood kit from Wicks last October and have been happy with = the results so far. One thing I did do was to ask them if they had a = list of what all the wood pieces were. So they faxed me a KR-2 Spruce = Wood kit description that had some kind of a KR part number along with a = description of what the piece of wood was to become (ie, firewall, rear = spar, etc.). Their shipping invoice left something to be desired. = Turned out this sheet was very helpful to sort out the lumber. I also ordered the Kitlog Pro software for keeping a builder's log. The = good news is that it is good at keeping track of daily building efforts, = along with expenses, weight & balance, etc. It has the capability of = putting 3 digital photos on each page/entry. The bad news is that it = takes the place of putting all the info into a file that could be shared = via a web site. So I have put very little effort into maintaining a web = site. The one I have has a few pictures at = http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6/index.html/ . I have spent a little over 200 hours to reach this point. I have in my = possession the TET WAF and the wing templates for the AS5048 wing. I = have benefited greatly from the all of you who have contributed via the = KRnet and the many web pages out there. Without this help, it would = take much, much longer to build a KR-2. Thanks to all. R/Bernie Lexington Park, MD KR-2S Builder ------=_NextPart_000_0109_01C2220D.F7880140-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jul 2002 20:46:41 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: Wheels and Brake Questions Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020702204641.00854a00@mail.midwest.net> (snip) everything I read says >the bleeder valve should be at the bottom. Is this correct? >(snip) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Put the "valve" on the bottom. Us an oil can (pump type) or other tool and connect it to the valve with a hose and fill the system from the bottom. This forces the air out of the system at the top. Do a complete fill, including the master cylinders. An A&P friend helped me on mine and that's the way we did it. You can watch the fluid progress up the line as you fill. (snip)+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >3) Are you guys using AN fittings and alum break line (flaring) or NYLO-SEAL >Fittings and tubing or ??? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I'm using the nylon line as most builders are. The fittings on your master cylinders and brake units will determine the proper size. The only problem I've heard with the nylon line was someone did a lot of taxi testing, got the brakes quite hot, sofened the line at the brake assembley and "blew" it off with brake pressure. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2002 22:01:03 -0700 To: From: "NORM-RUTH" Subject: WAF Loads Message-ID: <00a401c2224e$a2c4dfc0$e3c63a41@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C22213.F53F8920 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don Reid- That was an exceptionally fine piece you wrote for KRNet 7/1/02. I would = like to ask you about this section I have excerpted: > For a stock KR-2 that was built exactly according to design and is = flown > within the published max gross weight, these bolted joints will fail = at > something close to 6 G's and the bolts through the wooden spar caps = are an > inherent weakness in the spar design. The bolted joint will fail = because > the wood in the joint will fail. Ken and Stu copied an existing = design for > the wing attachments that is significantly less than optimal. In a > structure like a wing spar, it is much better to design in a localized area > that is stronger than the remainder of the structure, not the other = way around. What design changes would you recommend for the spar in this localized = area? Did you make any WAF changes in your own KR? Thanks again for your contribution. Norm Seel ------=_NextPart_000_00A1_01C22213.F53F8920-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 09:05:01 -0400 To: From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> WAF Loads Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020703082854.00a35380@pop.erols.com> --=====================_2710808==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 10:01 PM 7/2/2002 -0700, NORM-RUTH wrote: >Don Reid- > >That was an exceptionally fine piece you wrote for KRNet 7/1/02. I would >like to ask you about this section I have excerpted: > > > For a stock KR-2 that was built exactly according to design and is flown > > within the published max gross weight, these bolted joints will fail at > > something close to 6 G's and the bolts through the wooden spar caps are an > > inherent weakness in the spar design. The bolted joint will fail because > > the wood in the joint will fail. Ken and Stu copied an existing design >for > > the wing attachments that is significantly less than optimal. In a > > structure like a wing spar, it is much better to design in a localized >area > > that is stronger than the remainder of the structure, not the other way >around. > >What design changes would you recommend for the spar in this localized area? >Did you make any WAF changes in your own KR? I have modified my plane a lot to increase the gross to 1450. I used a single row of large diameter bolts through a strap that is graduated in thickness as well as width. For a stock KR WAF, exactly as specified in the planes, the strength of the bolted joint can be increased by approximately 40% by drilling and reaming six (yes, only 6) of the eight 3/16" bolts to 1/4". In a stock WAF, there is supposed to be 0.875 inches from the end of the spar cap to the center of the first pair of 3/16" bolts, and then 1.50 inches center-to-center spacing between the remaining bolt pairs. (KR Drawing 18, page 23) According to ANC-5, Strength of Aircraft Elements, Figure 2-4, the minimum allowable distance from the end of a 1 15/16" spruce tension member (the spar cap) and the center of a 3/16" bolt is 0.80 inches. For a 1/4" bolt, it would be 1.0 inches. For a KR, the first pair of 3/16" bolts is slightly greater than the minimum allowable, but a 1/4" bolt would be too close to the end of the spar cap. The minimum allowable center-to-center spacing of a 1/4" bolt through the 1 15/16" spar cap is 1.125 inches. The six bolts that are farthest away from the end of the spar cap could be drilled out to 1/4" and the minimum allowable distances would not be violated. In addition, the spar cap is tall enough that the bolt-to-edge spacing would not be exceeded if the WAF is centered in the cap. A 3/16" bolt through a 1 15/16" spruce spar cap will carry approximately 1200 pounds (ANC-5, Figure 2-3), but a 1/4" bolt would carry almost 1700 pounds. So, for the stock WAF, the total is 8 x 1200 = 8800 pounds. If the six are drilled out to 1/4", then the total would be 2 x 1200 + 6 x 1700 = 12,600 pounds. If I were going to make the KR style WAF, I would make it slightly longer so that all of the bolts could be the same size. In addition, I would make the WAF into the shape of a two-tine fork instead of having the three different sizes of holes. This would be much easier to describe with a drawing than in words. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_2710808==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 08:05:32 -0500 To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: larry flesner Subject: Re: KR> waf loads Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020703080532.007b36e0@mail.midwest.net> At 10:08 PM 7/1/02 -0400, Dana Overall wrote: >Nice post Don. I posted something a couple months ago and mention a number >I remember for max G load. It seemed to me at the time that the max number >for a stock KR-2 was around 5.8, as I posted then. I knew I had seen that >number before. Thanks Don. >Dana Overall +++++++++++++++++++++++++++snip+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I hate to keep beating this horse but: For those of you "netters" that are qualified to help the rest of us builders with G ratings, it would be appreciated if you would give us the aircraft weight you used to determine these ratings. The plans give the G ratings at 800 pounds gross and I doubt that many KR's make that now-a-day, even when flown solo and light fuel load. Also, would that be the weight of the fuselage and center section only, the actual weight supported by the WAF's ? In my case I've built a "pig" but I'm carrying all my fuel in the outer wing panels so approx. 230 pounds (fuel and wing panels) of my final gross will not be supported by the WAF's. This is probably all a mute point as ,to my knowledge, no KR has shed it's wings, even the heavy ones. I suspect though that some of them have approached the limit at times without knowing it. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 10:19:39 -0400 To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> waf loads Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020703101252.00a2cc50@pop.erols.com> --=====================_7189518==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 08:05 AM 7/3/2002 -0500, larry flesner wrote: > >I posted something a couple months ago and mention a number > >I remember for max G load. It seemed to me at the time that the max number > >for a stock KR-2 was around 5.8, as I posted then. I knew I had seen that > >number before. >(SNIP) >For those of you "netters" that are qualified to help the rest of us builders >with G ratings, it would be appreciated if you would give us the aircraft >weight you used to determine these ratings. You might notice that in my recent series of posting, I mention the G loading only one time, and that was in general terms for a stock (if there is such a thing) KR. All other times that I talk about strength, it is in absolute terms of a specific component and the point at which the relevant numbers indicate that the component would fail. I have a night-shift starting on the 4th and it should be a very quiet holiday weekend. I will write-up something more detailed and post it early next week for anyone who is interested. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_7189518==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 06:03:21 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: WAF Message-ID: My first thought about the WAF, and then I did not know what a WAF was, came to me the first time I took a good look at where the wings were going to attach. I never built these things, because both of my projects were started by someone else. The part that bothered me about them, was exactly what Don pointed out. I really did not like the way they were bolted to the spars. I remember thinking, way back then, that if each side were made out of a single sheet of steel, with the appropriate cut outs for making them lighter, that they might be a lot stronger and the top and bottom attachments would support each other. I really think that if I ever build one, where the holes are not already in the spar, that I will do it that way. PS: I know you are sick of this WAF thing by now and it is not Friday, but I just had to tell someone. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: B Wunder [mailto:bwunder@mris.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2002 6:18 PM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> KR 2S Progress Report - Birth of a Boat Greetings from Southern Maryland, I have been a long time reader/lurker of the KR net and so about 6 months ago I started the fabrication of my KR 2S. Yesterday I reached my first milestone..the birth of the boat. I can now go on to something else, like wing pieces and spars. I ordered my wood kit from Wicks last October and have been happy with the results so far. One thing I did do was to ask them if they had a list of what all the wood pieces were. So they faxed me a KR-2 Spruce Wood kit description that had some kind of a KR part number along with a description of what the piece of wood was to become (ie, firewall, rear spar, etc.). Their shipping invoice left something to be desired. Turned out this sheet was very helpful to sort out the lumber. I also ordered the Kitlog Pro software for keeping a builder's log. The good news is that it is good at keeping track of daily building efforts, along with expenses, weight & balance, etc. It has the capability of putting 3 digital photos on each page/entry. The bad news is that it takes the place of putting all the info into a file that could be shared via a web site. So I have put very little effort into maintaining a web site. The one I have has a few pictures at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n2w6/index.html/ . I have spent a little over 200 hours to reach this point. I have in my possession the TET WAF and the wing templates for the AS5048 wing. I have benefited greatly from the all of you who have contributed via the KRnet and the many web pages out there. Without this help, it would take much, much longer to build a KR-2. Thanks to all. R/Bernie Lexington Park, MD KR-2S Builder --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 07:39:50 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "ace nunye" Subject: Re: WAF's Message-ID: I may as well put my two cents in, "IF" I were to build another plane and I had a large enough work area I would most definately build a one piece spar like one I saw on the net here I think the guy's name is Lynn H. This, in my opinion is THE way to build spars. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 11:19:31 -0400 To: "krnet" From: "Bob Farmer" Subject: Re: KR> Re: WAF's Message-ID: <001c01c222a5$08a0cf60$2f5f62d8@oemcomputer> Why not a one piece spar & make the fuselage detachable for transporting. I think the Quickie was built this way. Has anyone done this to a KR? Bob Farmer ----- Original Message ----- From: "ace nunye" > > I may as well put my two cents in, "IF" I were to build another plane and I > had a large enough work area I would most definately build a one piece spar > like one I saw on the net here I think the guy's name is Lynn H. This, in my > opinion is THE way to build spars. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 12:45:19 -0400 To: From: Donald Reid Subject: Re: KR> Re: WAF's Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020703123932.00a30600@pop.erols.com> --=====================_15930896==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed At 11:19 AM 7/3/2002 -0400, Bob Farmer wrote: >Why not a one piece spar & make the fuselage detachable for transporting. I >think the Quickie was built this way. Has anyone done this to a KR? That is also the way a Falco is designed. There are a pair of bulkheads behind the cockpit that bolt together. With the tail cone removed, the fuselage/wing stands on the gear. The only drawback is building space. Minimum space required would be about 30' by 12' when the tailcone is removed and about 30' by 25' when complete. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_15930896==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 18:21:29 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Glasco Subject: Re: KR> Re: WAF's Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020703182129.00834980@mail.ridgenet.net> Nice concept. Where are you going to get capstrips that long? How are you going to build in the dihedrial? Are you going to put both dihedrial and forward taper in the rear spar? I think you are going to have to look at a laminated or composite spar to get there. If you have another way to build a one piece spar please explain. I have not yet built my spar and have a design for attaching the wing (it involves cutting the lower longerons) which will allow me to use a one piece main and rear spar. At this time that is the way I intend to go unless I run into an insurmountable obstacle. Brad Glasco KR-2S Corvair At 11:19 AM 7/3/02 -0400, you wrote: >Why not a one piece spar & make the fuselage detachable for transporting. I >think the Quickie was built this way. Has anyone done this to a KR? > >Bob Farmer > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ace nunye" >> >> I may as well put my two cents in, "IF" I were to build another plane and >I >> had a large enough work area I would most definately build a one piece >spar >> like one I saw on the net here I think the guy's name is Lynn H. This, in >my >> opinion is THE way to build spars. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2002 13:16:50 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet From: Frank Ross Subject: Chris Gardiner's KR2S in Kitplanes Message-ID: <20020703201650.37532.qmail@web21505.mail.yahoo.com> Congratulations to Chris Gardiner for getting his KR-2S photo in Kitplanes, P.49. That's a beauty, Chris. Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX where we are sitting on the roof-tops with our horses watching the flood waters carry away our pick up trucks and wives. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Ross" To: "krnet" Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: KR> Chris Gardiner's KR2S in Kitplanes > Congratulations to Chris Gardiner for getting his > KR-2S photo in Kitplanes, P.49. > That's a beauty, Chris. > Frank Ross in San Antonio, TX > where we are sitting on the roof-tops with our horses > watching the flood waters carry away our pick up > trucks and wives. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Sign up for SBC Yahoo! 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