From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 9 Jul 2002 16:08:22 -0000 Issue 471 Date: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 9:09 AM krnet Digest 9 Jul 2002 16:08:22 -0000 Issue 471 Topics (messages 11334 through 11363): Re: Matronics 11334 by: norm-ruth 11335 by: Mark Jones 11336 by: Mark Langford 11338 by: Matt Dralle 11339 by: Mark Jones 11343 by: B Roe 11357 by: bstarrs Re: speed 11337 by: bstarrs 11345 by: Daniel Heath 11347 by: larry flesner 11349 by: Robert Stone 11353 by: virgnvs.juno.com 11355 by: virgnvs.juno.com 11356 by: Steven Eberhart 11361 by: virgnvs.juno.com 11362 by: Dana Overall 11363 by: Mark Langford Re: control stops 11340 by: Phillip Matheson KR2 for sale 11341 by: Steve P Relyea KRNet - Matronics 11342 by: BSHADR 11348 by: Dana Overall 11354 by: virgnvs.juno.com 11358 by: Jan Laan Protrusions in engine cowling 11344 by: Serge F. VIDAL 11346 by: Daniel Heath matt n mark 11350 by: Kenny Luter 11351 by: Robert Stone Re: Speed: True Airspeed Calc. 11352 by: Mel Evans Hitting Reply 11359 by: Larry A. Capps I've got a tank!! 11360 by: Dana Overall Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:30:00 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "norm-ruth" Subject: Fw: Matronics Message-ID: <000b01c2262f$bf083620$35ec3a41@prodigy.net> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22605.D50D3620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Matk Langford Mark, it seems like Matronics has just moved in and taken over. Is this = correct? Is this proper and ethical? Norm ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C22605.D50D3620-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:58:04 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Matronics Message-ID: <004401c2262b$4ce4afa0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> I know this message was directed at Mark Langford but I just could not resist responding. We all are disgusted with this Matronics issue and so far I have not seen anyone who likes it. Mark Langford has provided us with a superior Net Forum site and it works exceptionally well. Just look at how long a post to our Net takes...seconds. So who cares that we do not have photo attachment capability. If anyone has photos to share, send them to me and I will put them on a page on my web site for all to view and I am sure Mark L and others would do the same. So lets show this Matt (KR Net wannabe) just how much we like his forum site and LETS ALL UNSUBSCRIBE : http://www.matronics.com/subscription from his Net. I sure hope he does not sell e-mail lists cause I have not received any spam or advertisement since I changed to my RoadRunner server five months ago and it sure has been nice not getting them. Anyway, don't forget to unsubscribe and THANK YOU MARK LANGFORD for all you have done for the KR Family. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "norm-ruth" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:30 PM Subject: KR> Fw: Matronics Matk Langford Mark, it seems like Matronics has just moved in and taken over. Is this correct? Is this proper and ethical? Norm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:04:49 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Matronics Message-ID: <009f01c2262c$39560370$0100a8c0@TD310> Mark Jones wrote: > ...and THANK YOU MARK LANGFORD for all you have done for the KR > Family. Mark, that twenty dollar bill is on its way! But really, I don't say it enough, but thanks for all the kind words. It's great to be rewarded for being a control freak... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2002 20:34:15 -0700 To: "KRnet" From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Matronics Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020707200340.0214a860@roxy.matronics.com> Okay, now wait a minute here. This is all getting way out of hand. Let's turn the clock back a bit and see how this all got started. Mark Langford wrote me an email and asked if I'd setup an email list on my servers for the KRNet. I agreed. Granted, it took me a while to get to setting up the List, but as late as June 16th I sent Mark a message indicating that I'd been working on the new list but it was taking some time to finish it up. Mark's response to me was: "Don't worry about the archive thing. One of the KRnet guys just yesterday put up a killer archive utility at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp that will do us just fine. If you want to put that URL at the bottom of each email message, that'd be fine with me. You might also make some mention of the official KRnet homepage at http://www.krnet.org/ . Thanks a lot, Mark Langford" And that was all he said. Now if you read English like I do, that's pretty much permission and empowerment to proceed as planned. Mark also provided all of the email addresses from the current KRNet system with which to seed the new email List, again proof positive that the transition was planned. So we roll forward to this weekend and I finish up the list and send out the announcement. And what have I gotten for all my work? Endless chastising, abuse, and everything short of calling my mama names? What's wrong with you people? What's wrong with your supposedly wonderful leader, Mark Langford? Is this how you thank someone for doing what you ask of them? If someone gives you a new car, do you complain that its not the right color? I have never in my 13 years of running email lists ever seen such hostility and ungratefulness in a single group of people. It is truly unbelievable. Shame on YOU. Yes, I do have a VOLUNTARY fund raiser each year, where as ask members to donate 20 bucks or so to the cause. 80% of the people don't find it necessary to donate, but at least they have the common sense to shut the hell up about it instead of showing the whole world how fricken' cheap they are. So sue me for trying to support this system with better equipment and improved service. Sue me for utilizing the American way. Sue me for being a business man. Everyone of you that has spoken out against me and Matronics should be ashamed of yourself. I apologize for going off a little here, but this whole thing has totally gotten out of hand. Mark Langford's anger and criticism of me and my system is completely out of line, unjustified, and UNPROFESSIONAL. I suggest that you all reevaluate what and who the real problem is here. Shame on all of you. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Admin. At 07:58 PM 7/7/2002 Sunday, Mark Jones wrote: >I know this message was directed at Mark Langford but I just could not >resist responding. We all are disgusted with this Matronics issue and so far >I have not seen anyone who likes it. Mark Langford has provided us with a >superior Net Forum site and it works exceptionally well. Just look at how >long a post to our Net takes...seconds. So who cares that we do not have >photo attachment capability. If anyone has photos to share, send them to me >and I will put them on a page on my web site for all to view and I am sure >Mark L and others would do the same. So lets show this Matt (KR Net wannabe) >just how much we like his forum site and LETS ALL UNSUBSCRIBE : >http://www.matronics.com/subscription from his >Net. I sure hope he does not sell e-mail lists cause I have not received any >spam or advertisement since I changed to my RoadRunner server five months >ago and it sure has been nice not getting them. Anyway, don't forget to >unsubscribe and THANK YOU MARK LANGFORD for all you have done for the KR >Family. > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) >Wales, WI USA >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "norm-ruth" >To: "KRnet" >Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:30 PM >Subject: KR> Fw: Matronics > > > > >Matk Langford > >Mark, it seems like Matronics has just moved in and taken over. Is this >correct? Is this proper and ethical? > >Norm > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:43:27 -0500 To: "KR-Net" , "Matt Dralle" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Matronics Message-ID: <006201c22631$9ef1e0a0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> So Matt...if you uncrosslinked us on the original KR Net as you stated you did....how did you receive this post? And by the way, I will back Mark Langford to the end on this issue!!! We KR folks are a close knit group. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" To: "KRnet" Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:34 PM Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Matronics > > > Okay, now wait a minute here. This is all getting way out of hand. Let's > turn the clock back a bit and see how this all got started. Mark Langford > wrote me an email and asked if I'd setup an email list on my servers for > the KRNet. I agreed. Granted, it took me a while to get to setting up the > List, but as late as June 16th I sent Mark a message indicating that I'd > been working on the new list but it was taking some time to finish it > up. Mark's response to me was: > > "Don't worry about the archive thing. One of the KRnet guys just yesterday > put up a killer archive utility at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > that will do us just fine. If you want to put that URL at the bottom of > each email message, that'd be fine with me. You might also make some > mention of the official KRnet homepage at http://www.krnet.org/ . Thanks > a lot, Mark Langford" > > And that was all he said. Now if you read English like I do, that's pretty > much permission and empowerment to proceed as planned. Mark also provided > all of the email addresses from the current KRNet system with which to seed > the new email List, again proof positive that the transition was planned. > > So we roll forward to this weekend and I finish up the list and send out > the announcement. And what have I gotten for all my work? Endless > chastising, abuse, and everything short of calling my mama names? What's > wrong with you people? What's wrong with your supposedly wonderful leader, > Mark Langford? Is this how you thank someone for doing what you ask of > them? If someone gives you a new car, do you complain that its not the > right color? > > I have never in my 13 years of running email lists ever seen such hostility > and ungratefulness in a single group of people. It is truly > unbelievable. Shame on YOU. > > Yes, I do have a VOLUNTARY fund raiser each year, where as ask members to > donate 20 bucks or so to the cause. 80% of the people don't find it > necessary to donate, but at least they have the common sense to shut the > hell up about it instead of showing the whole world how fricken' cheap they > are. So sue me for trying to support this system with better equipment and > improved service. Sue me for utilizing the American way. Sue me for being > a business man. > > Everyone of you that has spoken out against me and Matronics should be > ashamed of yourself. I apologize for going off a little here, but this > whole thing has totally gotten out of hand. Mark Langford's anger and > criticism of me and my system is completely out of line, unjustified, and > UNPROFESSIONAL. > > I suggest that you all reevaluate what and who the real problem is > here. Shame on all of you. > > Matt Dralle > Matronics Email List Admin. > > > > > At 07:58 PM 7/7/2002 Sunday, Mark Jones wrote: > >I know this message was directed at Mark Langford but I just could not > >resist responding. We all are disgusted with this Matronics issue and so far > >I have not seen anyone who likes it. Mark Langford has provided us with a > >superior Net Forum site and it works exceptionally well. Just look at how > >long a post to our Net takes...seconds. So who cares that we do not have > >photo attachment capability. If anyone has photos to share, send them to me > >and I will put them on a page on my web site for all to view and I am sure > >Mark L and others would do the same. So lets show this Matt (KR Net wannabe) > >just how much we like his forum site and LETS ALL UNSUBSCRIBE : > >http://www.matronics.com/subscription from his > >Net. I sure hope he does not sell e-mail lists cause I have not received any > >spam or advertisement since I changed to my RoadRunner server five months > >ago and it sure has been nice not getting them. Anyway, don't forget to > >unsubscribe and THANK YOU MARK LANGFORD for all you have done for the KR > >Family. > > > >Mark Jones (N886MJ) > >Wales, WI USA > >E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > >Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > >http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "norm-ruth" > >To: "KRnet" > >Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 10:30 PM > >Subject: KR> Fw: Matronics > > > > > > > > > >Matk Langford > > > >Mark, it seems like Matronics has just moved in and taken over. Is this > >correct? Is this proper and ethical? > > > >Norm > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 > 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email > http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft > > > They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little > temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. > > Benjamin Franklin > Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 05:16:03 -0400 To: Matt Dralle From: B Roe Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Matronics Message-id: <001701c22660$1547ad10$24d02c44@computer> **snip** Endless > chastising, abuse, and everything short of calling my mama names? **snip** Matt, I would never stoop to calling your mama names, but her son sure is a dick!!! Rgds., Bob Roe ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:46:31 -0700 To: From: "bstarrs" Subject: Fw: KR> Fw: Matronics Message-ID: <002c01c226a7$65afa900$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Bob Roe should removed from the KR list. He has clearl exceeded the bounds of decency. Bill Starrs, Prescott ----- Original Message ----- From: "B Roe" To: "Matt Dralle" Cc: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:16 AM Subject: Re: KR> Fw: Matronics > **snip** Endless > > chastising, abuse, and everything short of calling my mama names? > **snip** > Matt, I would never stoop to calling your mama names, but her son sure is a > dick!!! > > Rgds., Bob Roe > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:18:52 -0700 To: From: "bstarrs" Subject: Fw: KR> speed Message-ID: <001201c2262e$30456300$9200a8c0@bstarrs> It's simple. They lie and sell more plans. They all do it . Bill Starrs. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" To: Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:56 PM Subject: Re: KR> speed > Paden wrote: > > >>InThe reports from the real world would suggest that a 150 cruise is more > realistic. > Is this because we are building our planes wrong, too heavy? > the RR info, they claim a 180 cruise.<< > > We had this discussion a while back, and the general consensus was that > carrying a 200 pound passenger might slow you down 5 mph (based on actual > experience from real-live KR pilots), so the short answer is "it's not the > weight". > > I suspect that there's no such thing as a KR2S that weighs 520 pounds empty, > can take off in 350 feet, land in 600 feet, stall at 48 mph, and cruise at > 180 mph with a VW 2180 engine, while burning 4 gallons per hour, but > somebody's welcome to prove me wrong... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:26:53 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: Speed Message-ID: My first KR weighed about 640#, had a 1915 VW single ignition and I cruised at around 135 MPH. My plane was always the slow one in the group. I think most of them with 2180 engines cruised at from 150 to 165 MPH. I am speaking of KR2 not KR2s. My goal for this KR2 with a 2180, duel ignition, is that it will come in under 620# and will cruise at around 170 MPH. I'll let you know in about 8 months. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 05:54:12 -0500 To: From: larry flesner Subject: Re: Fw: KR> speed Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020708055412.00910100@mail.midwest.net> >It's simple. They lie and sell more plans. They all do it . Bill Starrs. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Wasn't Ken's KR2 turboed? Seems he cruised up high and may have trued out at 180 MPH. I'm thinking that's where that number came from and that would be called marketing. As for the take off and landing numbers, your guess is as good as mine. That might be something interesting to check at the Gathering. Larry Flesner ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 07:34:10 -0500 To: , "larry flesner" From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: Fw: KR> speed Message-ID: <002b01c2267b$c2e1b540$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Larry' Yes, Ken Rand's KR-2 was turbo-charged. He was using a unit that he got from a place in Long Beach, California close to the Long Beach airport. The place was called Ray-Jay Turbo-chargers. Bob Stone, Harker Heights, Tx rstone4@hot.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Fw: KR> speed > > > >It's simple. They lie and sell more plans. They all do it . Bill Starrs. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Wasn't Ken's KR2 turboed? Seems he cruised up high and may have > trued out at 180 MPH. I'm thinking that's where that number came > from and that would be called marketing. As for the take off and > landing numbers, your guess is as good as mine. That might be > something interesting to check at the Gathering. > > Larry Flesner > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:22:42 -0400 To: langford@hiwaay.net From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> speed Message-ID: <20020708.115231.-342909.1.virgnvs@juno.com> The first plans built KR2S was within the weight called for, Virg On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:56:04 -0500 "Mark Langford" writes: > Paden wrote: > > >>InThe reports from the real world would suggest that a 150 cruise > is more > realistic. > Is this because we are building our planes wrong, too heavy? > the RR info, they claim a 180 cruise.<< > > We had this discussion a while back, and the general consensus was > that > carrying a 200 pound passenger might slow you down 5 mph (based on > actual > experience from real-live KR pilots), so the short answer is "it's > not the > weight". > > I suspect that there's no such thing as a KR2S that weighs 520 > pounds empty, > can take off in 350 feet, land in 600 feet, stall at 48 mph, and > cruise at > 180 mph with a VW 2180 engine, while burning 4 gallons per hour, > but > somebody's welcome to prove me wrong... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:35:36 -0400 To: bstarrs@cybertrails.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: Fw: KR> speed Message-ID: <20020708.115231.-342909.2.virgnvs@juno.com> Dem's fightin words, The KR will do as said. KEEP your weight down and high power up, Virg On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 20:18:52 -0700 "bstarrs" writes: > It's simple. They lie and sell more plans. They all do it . Bill > Starrs. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: KR> speed > > > > Paden wrote: > > > > >>InThe reports from the real world would suggest that a 150 > cruise is > more > > realistic. > > Is this because we are building our planes wrong, too heavy? > > the RR info, they claim a 180 cruise.<< > > > > We had this discussion a while back, and the general consensus was > that > > carrying a 200 pound passenger might slow you down 5 mph (based on > actual > > experience from real-live KR pilots), so the short answer is "it's > not the > > weight". > > > > I suspect that there's no such thing as a KR2S that weighs 520 > pounds > empty, > > can take off in 350 feet, land in 600 feet, stall at 48 mph, and > cruise at > > 180 mph with a VW 2180 engine, while burning 4 gallons per hour, > but > > somebody's welcome to prove me wrong... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:16:52 -0500 (CDT) To: From: Steven Eberhart Subject: Re: KR> speed Message-ID: On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > The first plans built KR2S was within the weight called for, Virg > Hi Virg, Who's plane was it? Do you recall what it weighed in at? Steve Eberhart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:42:37 -0400 To: newtech@newtech.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> speed Message-ID: <20020709.081910.-279565.0.virgnvs@juno.com> On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Steven Eberhart writes: > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > > > The first plans built KR2S was within the weight called > for, Virg > > > > Hi Virg, > > Who's plane was it? Do you recall what it weighed in at? > > Steve Eberhart > Hi Steve, the grey and white picture in the RR ads, Virg > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2002 09:59:58 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> speed Message-ID: Virg, I hate to disagree with you but I have too respectfully do so. That KR?? was built before S plans. The builder stretched the fush, put on a drangonfly canopy and didn't even use the RAF48 airfoil. This airplane had a full VFR instrument panel, belly board, upholstery and a turbo VW conversion. This airplane was not even close to 500lbs. I believe someone on the list (don't know if they still are) bought this airplance but hasn't flown it much at all. Maybe we could get a weight. Little ironic RR advertises as a KR, an airplane that doesn't even use the RAF48 but the Bonanza wing..........also put on Mike Mim's Sky Pig. Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com >From: virgnvs@juno.com >To: newtech@newtech.com >CC: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: Re: KR> speed >Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 07:42:37 -0400 > > >On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:16:52 -0500 (CDT) Steven Eberhart > writes: > > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002 virgnvs@juno.com wrote: > > > > > The first plans built KR2S was within the weight called > > for, Virg > > > > > > > Hi Virg, > > > > Who's plane was it? Do you recall what it weighed in at? > > > > Steve Eberhart > > > Hi Steve, the grey and white picture in the RR ads, Virg > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply > > all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files Dana Overall Richmond, KY 7 Emp. wings ordered http://63.69.213.180/newtech/danas_airplane_factory/project.html do not archive _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:07:45 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> speed Message-ID: <001301c22762$c7f1dc30$0100a8c0@TD310> > > Who's plane was it? Do you recall what it weighed in at? > > > > Steve Eberhart > > > Hi Steve, the grey and white picture in the RR ads, Virg I suspected as much. I don't know if I'd call Roy Marsh's plane the first "plan built KR2S". The reality of it is that his tail feathers are stock KR2 size, his wingspan is two feet shorter, and the airfoil is a 23012 rather than the RAF48 airfoil called for in the plans. About the only thing that his plane has to do with the KR2S is that's where the foward and aft deck molds were pulled from, and it has the 14" extended tail and 2" extention forward of the main spar that were later incorporated into the drawings. I always get a kick out of the advertisement for the KR2S and the battle cry of "keep it per the plans", when the KR2S poster child is so radically different! It's also a far cry from 520 pounds! The impressive top speed is due to some serious attention to aerodynamic details and the lower drag of the thinner wing, as well as the turbocharged Revmaster 2180cc engine. By the way, the Kitplanes article mentioned that he got 5 gph at cruise, which somehow doesn't match up with the advertised 4 gph. And anybody that can land his plane in less than 600 feet can count on a crisp new hundred dollar bill from me! Ron Lee from Colorado owns it now, but I don't know that he flies it. I wrote the comments above several hours ago (before Dana's comments), but was going to wait until after I could do some research during lunchtime to send it, because I believe I remember hearing that Roy's plane was around 700 pounds. He's not at home right now, but I'll call him tonight and find out for sure. Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:18:02 +1000 To: "krnet listing" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> control stops Message-ID: <008901c22636$74b4f160$0100a8c0@barry> Sorry Larry I was only stating what was on the KR plan Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: "krnet listing" Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 11:26 AM Subject: Re: KR> control stops > >My old drawings say to file the elevator horn where it touches the elevator > >horn hinge to set the stop and travel > >Phil Matheson > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Do you really want to be "smacking" your elevator horn on the sharp > edge of your hinge assy each time you check for " free and correct"? > Doesn't give me a good feeling. How long before you get a nice > big dent in the control horn which leads to stress cracks, which > leads to , well, you get the idea. Also, this would not work for > those builders using the "Dr. Dean" hinge. Stops really should be > on the control assy if at all possible. > > Larry - fill/sand, fill/sand, fill/sand in the southern Illinois heat - > Flesner > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 21:58:34 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Steve P Relyea Subject: KR2 for sale Message-ID: <20020707.215852.-195273.1.rme114@juno.com> Big dreams, little time. A hard decision, but I have just too much going on. I would like to say first that I have greatly enjoyed the KR net and have saved a wealth of info from all the " been there, done that" guys and thank you all so much. Even the fox hole diving is entertaining...... Here's a brief discription; standard KR2 taildragger on retracts, recieved certificate in 1984, N24AB, 92 hrs on hobbs, 1776 VW AeroVee running, Slick mag, alternator, prop hub extension with "weird" prop mounted, minimal VFR instruments, new battery and tires, and flaps. Wings detachable. 6 to 8 pounds of paperwork. Has "hanger" rash. This AC has not flown in many, many years and needs gone thru very closely to fly again or to use for parts to speed up someone's project. I will not part out as I don't want a chunk of what's left to be sitting around. To be clear, I DO NOT consider this to be a flyable aircraft in it's current condition.It's future is up to the buyer. I feel $2000 is a fair price in cash or partial trade. Located in southern Arizona. Please respond off net. Thanx for your time, Steve ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:02:39 -0700 To: From: "BSHADR" Subject: KRNet - Matronics Message-ID: <001301c2263c$af7b45a0$d7e47e18@RMS> ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C22602.027D6E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks: As one of the official Sandbox Monitors, I think we need to put this = whole mess to bed. Matt Dralle was trying to do what Mark L = asked...maybe he was a bit slow and surprised us (after Mark & I forgot = about the whole matter--memory is the second thing to go, I can't = remember what the first is), but Matt did nothing other than what was = originally asked of him. If you don't like Matronics, so be it. I still urge each of you to be = civil and not publicly bash Matt any more. There are 30+ lists out = there that use Matronics and I don't seem to see this kind of behavior = on any of them against Matronics. We need to grow up and accept Matt's = apology and move on with KR related posts. If you still feel compelled = to rail against Matronics, I suggest you read the full series of the = posts by both Matt and Mark (in order). If you don't see how this = happened and how we have blown it out of proportion, just email me = privately and I can help you see the light (or maybe pull the KRPlug on = you...) I go back a long ways with KRNet (I was subscriber # 6 or 7 when Mike = Graves started it plus AOL before that) and I go back even father with = Mark. He is good people and Matt happens to run a classy operation. I = see no beef here. What I do see is some of our KRFamous "ready, fire, = aim" behavior. Email me privately if you wish to rumble about this = anymore. Now everyone, go out into your garage, breath deep 3 times (except = Sanding Larry F, he needs to wear a mask while doing this) and become = one with your project... Randy "NetMom" Stein Confidence: "That quality which permits an individual to do crossword = puzzles with a pen" =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C22602.027D6E80-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 08:21:36 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> KRNet - Matronics Message-ID: Gang, As Randy said, LET'S PUT IT TO REST!! If I didn't know anything about what was happening, I would certainly be able to see what happened between Mark & Matt. Mark has done a tremendous job with the KRNet and Matt has done a tremendous job with the lists he runs. If you follow how this transpired, it VERY easy to see how all this came about. I'm gone over the weekend and I get back to see Matt (whom I have never met) being call a "dick", "overblown", "zealous", and Mark (whom I have met and consider a very good friend) being put back on top of Mt. Langford in Landford Manor:-). Grow up gang and see the forest, not the trees!! Little history here, I was the one who recommended Matronics to Mark several months ago when he was thinking about changing the server. The experience I have had, simply being a lister, with Matronics has been exceptional. I realized when I contacted Mark, that Matt was the admisistrator of these lists and they all looked the same. I knew some control would probably have to be relinquished. Matt was doing what he thought Mark had ask of him. That's all it is gang, a misunderstanding between two very well meaning men. If you feel a need to do anything, thank Mark for the job he has done, and will continue to do, and thank Matt for the effort he put into a job he thought was being asked of him. Thanks Mark Thanks Matt Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 11:42:27 -0400 To: BSHADR@attbi.com From: virgnvs@juno.com Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KRNet - Matronics Message-ID: <20020708.115231.-342909.4.virgnvs@juno.com> Thanks Randy. Ref my first post on this, Virg On Sun, 7 Jul 2002 22:02:39 -0700 "BSHADR" writes: > Folks: > > As one of the official Sandbox Monitors, I think we need to put this > whole mess to bed. Matt Dralle was trying to do what Mark L > asked...maybe he was a bit slow and surprised us (after Mark & I > forgot about the whole matter--memory is the second thing to go, I > can't remember what the first is), but Matt did nothing other than > what was originally asked of him. > > If you don't like Matronics, so be it. I still urge each of you to > be civil and not publicly bash Matt any more. There are 30+ lists > out there that use Matronics and I don't seem to see this kind of > behavior on any of them against Matronics. We need to grow up and > accept Matt's apology and move on with KR related posts. If you > still feel compelled to rail against Matronics, I suggest you read > the full series of the posts by both Matt and Mark (in order). If > you don't see how this happened and how we have blown it out of > proportion, just email me privately and I can help you see the light > (or maybe pull the KRPlug on you...) > > I go back a long ways with KRNet (I was subscriber # 6 or 7 when > Mike Graves started it plus AOL before that) and I go back even > father with Mark. He is good people and Matt happens to run a > classy operation. I see no beef here. What I do see is some of our > KRFamous "ready, fire, aim" behavior. Email me privately if you > wish to rumble about this anymore. > > Now everyone, go out into your garage, breath deep 3 times (except > Sanding Larry F, he needs to wear a mask while doing this) and > become one with your project... > > Randy "NetMom" Stein > > Confidence: "That quality which permits an individual to do > crossword puzzles with a pen" > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 12:05:26 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Jan Laan Subject: Re: KR> KRNet - Matronics Message-id: <0GYY007QL2BOU1@l-daemon> Thanks Dana, Jan > >Thanks Mark >Thanks Matt > >Dana Overall >Richmond, KY >1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host >http://rvflying.tripod.com > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 12:13:39 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Protrusions in engine cowling Message-ID: <000a01c22668$3cce4300$eef521c4@co.za> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22678.E4C5E260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I need to expand the protrusions corresponding to the cylinder heads on = my engine cowling. This is because my engine cowling is a very tight = fit, and the new engine (a 2.4 liter VW, replacing a stock 2.o liter VW) = will be slightly wider (12mm more). Questions: - Should I try to lay some fiberglass on top of the existing = protrusions, or should I cut them off and mold new protrusions? - What could I use as a mold to get the teardrop shape? Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C22678.E4C5E260-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 06:30:13 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Protrusions in engine cowling Message-ID: Serge, I would cut them off. Glue on some foam and sand away until I got the shape I like, then lay on the glass. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Serge F. VIDAL [mailto:svidal@icon.co.za] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:14 AM To: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: KR> Protrusions in engine cowling I need to expand the protrusions corresponding to the cylinder heads on my engine cowling. This is because my engine cowling is a very tight fit, and the new engine (a 2.4 liter VW, replacing a stock 2.o liter VW) will be slightly wider (12mm more). Questions: - Should I try to lay some fiberglass on top of the existing protrusions, or should I cut them off and mold new protrusions? - What could I use as a mold to get the teardrop shape? Serge VIDAL KR2 ZS-WEC Johannesburg, South Africa --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.325 / Virus Database: 182 - Release Date: 2/19/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 10:02:07 -0400 To: From: "Kenny Luter" Subject: matt n mark Message-ID: <001001c22688$0cb6a7a0$b7b50ad8@hppav> ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C22666.850656A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What does any of this have to do with the building of an airplane . If I = wanted to hear any of that I would turn on Jerry Springer . So shut up = and use that energy to sand your own tailfeathers and quit flaming = everyone elses ! Kenny ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01C22666.850656A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 09:33:18 -0500 To: "Kenny Luter" , From: "Robert Stone" Subject: Re: KR> matt n mark Message-ID: <001601c2268c$6a360fc0$05d81a18@hot.rr.com> Well said, It's good advice. Bob Stone ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kenny Luter" To: Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 9:02 AM Subject: KR> matt n mark What does any of this have to do with the building of an airplane . If I wanted to hear any of that I would turn on Jerry Springer . So shut up and use that energy to sand your own tailfeathers and quit flaming everyone elses ! Kenny ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 08:09:43 -0700 (PDT) To: bstarrs@cybertrails.com, krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mel Evans Subject: Re: Fw: KR> Speed: True Airspeed Calc. Message-ID: <20020708150943.21877.qmail@web20420.mail.yahoo.com> Bill and friends, True airspeed is not lying or marketing. To get a pilot's license, one has to know that the airspeed indicator is incorrect above sea level. The airspeed indicator shows "equivalent" airspeed, while the speed you are actually moving is called "true" airspeed. Write this down, because you'll need this equation for planning fuel, waypoints, travel times, etc. Given 150 mph equivalent airspeed at say 12,000 ft and adjusting for the square roots of the air densities between that and sea level you get: 150 mph x (.0023769 / .0016480)^.5 = 180.14 mph true airspeed. And if you're not cruising at higher altitudes, you're really not trying to "cruise" long distance quickly. The other published specs can all just as easily be shown to be correct for the KR at the design weights. --Mel --- bstarrs wrote: > It's simple. They lie and sell more plans. They all > do it . Bill Starrs. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark Langford" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 07, 2002 6:56 PM > Subject: Re: KR> speed > > > > Paden wrote: > > > > >>InThe reports from the real world would suggest > that a 150 cruise is > more > > realistic. > > Is this because we are building our planes wrong, > too heavy? > > the RR info, they claim a 180 cruise.<< > > > > We had this discussion a while back, and the > general consensus was that > > carrying a 200 pound passenger might slow you down > 5 mph (based on actual > > experience from real-live KR pilots), so the short > answer is "it's not the > > weight". > > > > I suspect that there's no such thing as a KR2S > that weighs 520 pounds > empty, > > can take off in 350 feet, land in 600 feet, stall > at 48 mph, and cruise at > > 180 mph with a VW 2180 engine, while burning 4 > gallons per hour, but > > somebody's welcome to prove me wrong... > > > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org > , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , > NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2002 14:32:47 -0500 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: Hitting Reply Message-ID: <002601c226b6$3dd2be40$0600a8c0@schpankme> KRNet-List, It seems the "matronics mail" list is continuing to function, contrary to prior info; I'm the first victim for using the reply feature from one of its mail messages. As you know the current KRNet-List when using reply only replies to the originator not the list members as a whole. Unfortunately, I wasn't paying attention when replying to a person and inadvertently replied to ALL of you. My apologies, I'm not wanting to perpetuate these arguments, and have been trying the side-lines or replying privately to individuals. Best Regards, Larry A. Capps Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2002 15:56:24 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: I've got a tank!! Message-ID: I know it's not Friday but there's enough turmoil and tribulations going on right now, I thought I would throw a couple airplane pics up. I just leak tested my left tank after letting it set up from Friday. I joined the pickup line and vent lines together with the same tube and pressurized the tank through the drain seen in the lower left corner. I then sprayed the tank down with a soap and water solution. The only leak I had was through one swrew that holds the inboard cover plate on. Before I permanently install these screws I will take them out, coat them with Pro-Seal and that will seal them. I didn't have big enough hangy down things to permanently seal my only way in before I leak tested it:-) http://rvflying.tripod.com/finishedtank.jpg This picture shows just how prominent a leak is. This is the one screw where it was leaking through the threads. Thank goodness there were no rivets leaking. I rough counted 546 rivets, 12 screws, 2 fuel elbows and 1 drain where leaks could occur.......and 1 fuel cap. http://rvflying.tripod.com/leak.jpg Now on to riveting the leading edge in the above picture and start riveting on the skins. Makin' Progress!! Dana Overall Richmond, KY 1999 & 2000 National KR Gathering host http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************