From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 21 Aug 2002 11:53:20 -0000 Issue 502 Date: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 4:54 AM krnet Digest 21 Aug 2002 11:53:20 -0000 Issue 502 Topics (messages 12190 through 12219): new latch 12190 by: Oscar Zuniga Re: Lowrance GPS 12191 by: bstarrs 12193 by: rmiller Re: Lowrance GPS/Web site 12192 by: Phillip Matheson Re: Lowrance GPS/Web site/ $199.95 12194 by: Phillip Matheson 12196 by: rmiller 12207 by: Jerry Mahurin KR Newsletter - Monte 12195 by: Mark Jones 12199 by: Buddy & Cheryl 12200 by: Mark Jones 12201 by: ROBERT COOPER 12204 by: MARVIN MCCOY 12206 by: Dana Overall Carb heat with Ellison EFS-2 12197 by: Stephen P. Glover 12198 by: Daniel Heath Re: Fuel lines 12202 by: Brian Kraut 12218 by: Serge F. VIDAL Old Newsletter Refund 12203 by: Kerry Miller More photos - Warning, contains modifications 12205 by: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) 12209 by: Mike Mims Fraud is indictated 12208 by: Donald Blankenship Aircraft Spruce catalog wrong 12210 by: Plane Fun 12211 by: cartera 12214 by: Brian Kraut 12215 by: Ross Youngblood Refund 12212 by: virgnvs.juno.com Cabin heat/air box 12213 by: Brian Kraut 12219 by: Ron Eason I'm Back 12216 by: Ross Youngblood Re: Ignition 12217 by: Serge F. VIDAL Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 12:02:54 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Oscar Zuniga" Subject: new latch Message-ID: Southco just came out with a nifty little latch that fits flush until needed for use. It isn't a lock, just a latch, but has possibilities for use on baggage doors or maybe even your main entry door. All it needs is a round hole to install in. Check out details at http://www.southco.com/products/html/pull_to_open.htm Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX mailto: taildrags@hotmail.com website at http://www.flysquirrel.net _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 14:03:17 -0700 To: "Dana Overall" , From: "bstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS Message-ID: <005301c247c3$d8114340$9200a8c0@bstarrs> How much does it cost? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dana Overall" To: Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:42 AM Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS > I know this is a "me too" post but me too. I have used my Lowrance Airmap > 100 for a variety of things. It is very easy to navigate through the papes > and is set up so that utilizing the customize feature, your own "special" > page is very easy to set up. Mark can attest to this, when you are in areas > of heavy restricted space all you do is hit the crosshair feature move it to > the edge of the restricted and it gives you the heading to the crosshair. > Larry's post was very informative concerning this unit. > > I'd buy it again. > > Dana Overall > Richmond, KY > http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 19:13:37 -0400 To: "bstarrs" , "Dana Overall" , From: "rmiller" Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS Message-ID: <003501c247d6$0d639a40$0dcccad8@dej68> Best price I found is: http://www.avionicswest.com/airmap100.html Dick Miller Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "bstarrs" To: "Dana Overall" ; Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:03 PM Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS > How much does it cost? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dana Overall" > To: > Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 3:42 AM > Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS > > > > I know this is a "me too" post but me too. I have used my Lowrance Airmap > > 100 for a variety of things. It is very easy to navigate through the > papes > > and is set up so that utilizing the customize feature, your own "special" > > page is very easy to set up. Mark can attest to this, when you are in > areas > > of heavy restricted space all you do is hit the crosshair feature move it > to > > the edge of the restricted and it gives you the heading to the crosshair. > > Larry's post was very informative concerning this unit. > > > > I'd buy it again. > > > > Dana Overall > > Richmond, KY > > http://rvflying.tripod.com > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:08:36 +1000 To: , "larry flesner" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS/Web site Message-ID: <006801c247d5$5aa58bc0$3996dccb@Matheson> Look at one of many sites for info. http://www.thegpsstore.com/cgi-bin/SoftCart.exe/site/index.html?L+thegpsstor e+drjy0846+1029817074 Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "larry flesner" To: ; Sent: 18 August 2002 23:21 Subject: KR> Lowrance GPS > >have "unbundled" the Airmap 100 so the unit is now > >available without accesories. It reduces the initial > >price by $200. > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > Bob, > > I'm doing a reply to all as others may want to see the feedback. > > I have the Lawrence 300 (the larger one) and love it. It has the > same software and data base as the 100. I have seen the 100 and > like the other reply I noticed the screen was smaller. I've had my > unit about 5 years now. I did have a problem early on but I sent > the unit back and Lawrence returned a new one. No problems > since. I looked at several brands before buying the Lawrence. > The features I liked about the lawrence were the screen size, > easy to use software (you never have to enter data), obstacle > obstruction data base (they probably all have that by now), large > print size for data, highway numbers on the 20 mile range, > availability of extra memory module to import US road > and waterway data bases, the many screen lay-out options. > > > The software lets you navigate through the different menus and > functions with ease and that's important in the cockpit. The > smaller sceen size may not be a problem, depending on how you > use the unit. I found that I settled for using one screen early on. > It gives the bearing, track, distance, ground speed, and ETA > down the right side of the map in nice large print. I've found > the greatest uses for the map are avoiding controled airspace > (it flashes you a message when you start getting close), seeing > how far off my original course I am (checking wind drift, etc.), > verifing highway numbers, tall obstacle avoidance if I'm flying a > bit low, and visual reference to the runway when using a small > scale (if I ever need that feature). > > Do you get your directions screwed up while driving? Use the > screen with the rotating compass rose to keep you straight. > Too many good features and screen combinations to discuss here > and I'm sure I don't use 10 percent of them. > > P.S. What I ment by never having to enter data is that everything > you need to navigate is in the data base. You only need to select > using up and down, left and right arrows and the enter button. > Example: to enter a trip I move the cursor (crosshairs) to the > general area of my destination on the map. Press zoom in and > zoom out at the same time and the nearest 20 airports are listed. > I use up/down arrow to highlight the one I want, press the right > arrow twice and I'm navigating. It's just as easy to get airport > information (frequencies, runways, services, etc.) enroute and > at the destination. To get back to the original screen you just > press the exit button and it back tracks through the screens > until you are back where you started (one press for each > screen so it is controlable). > > Hope this is the info you were looking for. > > Larry Flesner > Carterville, Illinois, USA > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:35:09 +1000 To: , "larry flesner" From: "Phillip Matheson" Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS/Web site/ $199.95 Message-ID: <007501c247d9$0f1b06e0$3996dccb@Matheson> Sorry. Try this. Lawrance Map 100 $199.95 http://www.thegpsstore.com/site/ Phil Matheson matheson@dodo.com.au 61 3 58833588 See our engines at: http://www.vw-engines.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:05:20 -0400 To: "Phillip Matheson" , , "larry flesner" From: "rmiller" Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS/Web site/ $199.95 Message-ID: <000a01c247dd$53702c40$30cccad8@dej68> This is not an AirMap 100. Does not include Jeppesen data base, which adds cost. Miller Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Matheson" To: ; "larry flesner" Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 7:35 PM Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS/Web site/ $199.95 > Sorry. Try this. > Lawrance Map 100 $199.95 > > http://www.thegpsstore.com/site/ > > Phil Matheson > matheson@dodo.com.au > 61 3 58833588 > See our engines at: > http://www.vw-engines.com/ > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 08:27:55 -0400 To: From: "Jerry Mahurin" Subject: Re: KR> Lowrance GPS/Web site/ $199.95 Message-ID: Phil, et al, I don't think the one at The GPS Store has the aviation database in it.... I don't know how much that would add to the price..... >Sorry. Try this. >Lawrance Map 100 $199.95 > >http://www.thegpsstore.com/site/ > Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC http://kr-builder.org http://jerrymahurin.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:39:20 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: KR Newsletter - Monte Message-ID: <000a01c247d9$a5785fc0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C247AF.BC146FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, I am shocked....as I sit here and am looking at my refund from Monte for = the balance of my subscription. I had e-mailed Monte several weeks ago = asking for my refund and actually thought I would never hear from him. = Guess what, the refund was in today's mail. It puzzles me as why Monte = will issue a refund but would not pass the funds to Larry. Everyone = should e-mail Monte asking for their refund and then subscribe with = Larry. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C247AF.BC146FA0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 18:07:17 -0700 To: "Mark Jones" , "KR-Net" From: "Buddy & Cheryl" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - Monte Message-ID: <002e01c247e5$edc3a4e0$1e02a8c0@WorkGroup> ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C247AB.40F6EFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I too received my refund from Monte in today's mail and I did not write = and ask him for any refund. Surprised me, a whole $6.68. Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Jones=20 To: KR-Net=20 Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: KR> KR Newsletter - Monte Hello All, I am shocked....as I sit here and am looking at my refund from Monte = for the balance of my subscription. I had e-mailed Monte several weeks = ago asking for my refund and actually thought I would never hear from = him. Guess what, the refund was in today's mail. It puzzles me as why = Monte will issue a refund but would not pass the funds to Larry. = Everyone should e-mail Monte asking for their refund and then subscribe = with Larry. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01C247AB.40F6EFE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 21:27:08 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Fw: KR> KR Newsletter - Monte Message-ID: <00f801c247f1$17390b20$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Mark J. and all, I received a refund check from Monte today also. Jim Morehead Cameron Park, CA ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:30:56 -0400 To: "Mark JONES" , "krnet" From: "ROBERT COOPER" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - Monte Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C247D0.15C81900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I got a refund in the mail today too. Didn't even ak for it. Jack Cooper ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Jones Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 7:34 PM To: KR-Net Subject: KR> KR Newsletter - Monte Hello All, I am shocked....as I sit here and am looking at my refund from Monte for = the balance of my subscription. I had e-mailed Monte several weeks ago as= king for my refund and actually thought I would never hear from him. Gues= s what, the refund was in today's mail. It puzzles me as why Monte will i= ssue a refund but would not pass the funds to Larry. Everyone should e-ma= il Monte asking for their refund and then subscribe with Larry. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA =20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C247D0.15C81900-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:49:42 -0700 To: Mark Jones From: MARVIN MCCOY CC: KR-Net Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - Monte Message-ID: <3D61BC56.DB9277BD@worldnet.att.net> I just received a refund also and I never asked for it. Marvin McCoy Seattle, WA. North end of Boeing Field ------------------------------------ Mark Jones wrote: > > Hello All, > I am shocked....as I sit here and am looking at my refund from Monte for the balance of my subscription. I had e-mailed Monte several weeks ago asking for my refund and actually thought I would never hear from him. Guess what, the refund was in today's mail. It puzzles me as why Monte will issue a refund but would not pass the funds to Larry. Everyone should e-mail Monte asking for their refund and then subscribe with Larry. > > Mark Jones (N886MJ) > Wales, WI USA > E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com > Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at > http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 06:47:14 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Dana Overall" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter - Monte Message-ID: Just a little note here gang. Monte's email exchange with Kerry Miller was the straw that broke the camels back. Monte had been telling people he had no newsletter money and Larry was now responsible for all subscriptions and it was a shame Larry was not a man of his word. Nothing was further from the truth. Sorry, family or no family, Monte was "confronted" with the statutory requirements with an "explanation" of remedies available in the case of failure to make required disposition. I received an email from Monte stating he had refunded all monies owed on 8/15/02. I know this may seem like old hat but if everyone knew just what Monte was doing behind everyone's back..........I won't even go there because Monte was not playing well with others in the sandbox. Glad we got it rectified, if only it had happened without this it would have been better. Principles, that's what separates us all. Dana Overall Richmond, KY http://rvflying.tripod.com _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 17:21:31 -0700 To: From: "Stephen P. Glover" Subject: Carb heat with Ellison EFS-2 Message-ID: <000a01c247df$8923a950$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C247A4.DC788610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello All, Does anyone have any suggestions for carb heat with the Ellison EFS-2? = I have limited space so am trying to figure out a small carb heat box = that will provide enough flow. All help will be appreciated.=20 I am working nearly 24/7 trying to finish the KR in time for the = gathering. I am hoping to be test flying by about the 1st of September. Thanks! Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca N925SG@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C247A4.DC788610-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 20:41:41 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Carb heat with Ellison EFS-2 Message-ID: Steven, It should not be any different than with any other carb, but it is the only one I ever built, so how would I know. I welded two lugs on the #3 ( VW ) exhaust, I suppose it could go on any of them, as close to the port as possible for the most heat. I attached one end of a spring to one lug, wrapped the spring around the pipe and attached it to the other lug at the other end. I wrapped a purchased muff that had "I think" a 2" outlet. I put a box with a valve in the way of the carb air intake and connected the heat outlet to the box input. Not much to it. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:56:48 -0400 To: Ronald Freiberger From: Brian Kraut CC: "Serge F. VIDAL" , KRNET Subject: Re: KR> Fuel lines Message-ID: <3D61AFF0.7040602@earthlink.net> I keep the tape off the first couple of threads. In A+P school they tought us to use the tape for fuel and fluid lines, but use the liquid thread sealer on hydraulic lines. The liquid was supposed to be applied after the first three threads. The reason was to keep stray pieces of the tape out of the very small orifices that some hydraulic systems have. If you are carefull to keep the tape off the first couple of threads you should be O.K. Ronald Freiberger wrote: >Just make sure they're FUEL hoses. Do not use teflon tape. If you do use >teflon tape anyway, make sure you have a very good filter just before the >carburetor. If you do not use teflon tape, make sure you have a very good >filter just before the carburetor. > >Permatex brand materials in automotive stores here, but I don't know what >you have in SA. > >Ron Freiberger... >mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Serge F. VIDAL [mailto:svidal@icon.co.za] >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:39 PM >To: krnet@mailinglists.org >Subject: KR> Fuel lines > > >I am mounting a Facet fuel pump on the firewall. The pump has got NPT >threads each side. Question: When I mount the fuel connectors on the NPT >threads, what should I use to seal the fit? Teflon tape? > >I want to redo some of the fuel lines. They currently use automotive hoses, >braided with Nylon. Is it a good idea to use hydraulic type hoses, braided >with metal, instead? > >Serge Vidal >KR2 ZS-WEC >Johannesburg, South Africa > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:08:33 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Re: KR> Fuel lines Message-ID: <00e401c248da$df7d5ac0$9cda1ac4@co.za> Now, that's interesting! You're the first one to support the use of Teflon tape, AND you went through A+P school! Wow! Serge ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Kraut To: Ronald Freiberger Cc: Serge F. VIDAL ; KRNET Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 4:56 AM Subject: Re: KR> Fuel lines > I keep the tape off the first couple of threads. In A+P school they > tought us to use the tape for fuel and fluid lines, but use the liquid > thread sealer on hydraulic lines. The liquid was supposed to be applied > after the first three threads. The reason was to keep stray pieces of > the tape out of the very small orifices that some hydraulic systems > have. If you are carefull to keep the tape off the first couple of > threads you should be O.K. > > Ronald Freiberger wrote: > > >Just make sure they're FUEL hoses. Do not use teflon tape. If you do use > >teflon tape anyway, make sure you have a very good filter just before the > >carburetor. If you do not use teflon tape, make sure you have a very good > >filter just before the carburetor. > > > >Permatex brand materials in automotive stores here, but I don't know what > >you have in SA. > > > >Ron Freiberger... > >mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Serge F. VIDAL [mailto:svidal@icon.co.za] > >Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:39 PM > >To: krnet@mailinglists.org > >Subject: KR> Fuel lines > > > > > >I am mounting a Facet fuel pump on the firewall. The pump has got NPT > >threads each side. Question: When I mount the fuel connectors on the NPT > >threads, what should I use to seal the fit? Teflon tape? > > > >I want to redo some of the fuel lines. They currently use automotive hoses, > >braided with Nylon. Is it a good idea to use hydraulic type hoses, braided > >with metal, instead? > > > >Serge Vidal > >KR2 ZS-WEC > >Johannesburg, South Africa > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2002 22:20:52 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Kerry Miller Subject: Old Newsletter Refund Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020819222052.007b6830@pop3.ticnet.com> I thought I'd let you guys know, I exchanged a couple of e-mails with Monte about a newsletter refund. I accidentally subscribed twice last year, so I told him just keep it and sign me up for 2 years, which he did. When he sold the newsletter, I still had over a year's worth of subscription left. He gave me several reasons why I wouldn't be able to get a refund, but last week I got a money order in the mail for the remaining amount of my subscription. Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 00:19:28 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02)" Subject: More photos - Warning, contains modifications Hi all interested, Daniel posted some more photos now also showing my push pull tube control system. It really works well and the only mod I'll make when doing it again (and yes, I will) is to mount the tube for the elevator inside the banana boat fuselage.. Note the cowling built to fit the Rotax 503 which will now be replaced by the Cuyuna until I can afford the bigger Hirth 130. Note where the reduction drive top pulley is located putting my prop nice and high for better ground clearance. Main u/g comes from a two seater microlight with the centre square tubing to which they are attached from the main wing/engine mount support, also from a microlight! My seats are also mounted on this beam, so my fuselage does not take unnecessary strain during hard landings. On my project, even an single occupant will have the largest weight, so having all of that on the wing and u/c beams takes most of the stresses away from the fuselage. Plus, each wing will carry it's own fuel causing a lot less load on my WAF's. Note my version of a dual stick which is very easy to make, requires no welding, is VERY strong and works extremely well. Note the easy but practical way I connected my rudder pedals to both my steerable nose wheel and my actual rudder surface. Note the mods to my spars. The very left and 3rd left are the original but slightly beefed up KR main spars. The 2nd and 4th left are my new main spars, work still in progress. Note the difference in cap sizes. The forward main ply must still be trimmed to length. One thing that really puzzles me: I had a look at Danny's completed KR2S wings - they are the same length as my complete outer wings that joins at my fuselage! He and all other KR2S builders are using standard KR2 main inner spars. How then, could it be calculated that mine would fail at only 3 g's and that with an estimated 450# empty weight only. And I've received numerous posts stating just that. This in effect would mean that all KR2S owners are at risk??? Anyway, I've now beefed up my spars and expect to have the strongest wings out there amongst the KR family. I easily expect plus and minus 9 g's with two aboard which gives me peace of mind. Danny was the first to use my idea for the KR canopy and completed his main canopy structure over a weekend only and it looks superb! Different and more modern than any other KR I've seen and the head room must be seen to be believed. Hopefully he'll post something on his site in the near future for all to see. My project can be viewed at: http://kr-builder.org/Hennie/index.html Thanks again Daniel for your generosity! Keep well, Hennie van Rooyen South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 09:43:10 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> More photos - Warning, contains modifications Message-ID: <20020820164310.56009.qmail@web10801.mail.yahoo.com> <<>> If I remember right the spar caps on the KR2S are larger than the KR2. But I could be wrong its been a while. :o) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 10:38:48 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Donald Blankenship" Subject: Fraud is indictated Message-ID: <20020820153848.36664.qmail@mail.com> KR folks, Fraud is strongly indicated when: a) You receive calls to your home, letters, or e-mail soliciting funds for a service the caller has never provided before. b) When you politely decline the purported service, and then you begin receiving mail calling you cheap. c) When neighbors start pounding on your door telling you if you don’t pay for the service, they might not receive it either. d) When signs are posted all over the neighborhood that if money is not forked over to the purported service provider, no one will receive the service even though some have begun to pay. e) When begins nailing up advertisements and pleas for funds, but signing them as someone else. f) Urgent pleas may request you pay the purported service provider much more than he is asking so the service provider doesn’t “lose money.” g) When you receive threatening messages saying the purported service provider will terminate the service he has never actually provided and donate all his equipment to the local junk yard so that you will never ever ever ever have any chance of receiving that service at any future time (this is called the “squeeze” by law enforcement agencies). As the person is making these threats he continues to collect funds he is threatening never to provide. h) When you look around after months of threats and badgering, but none of the neighbors are being provided the service. i) When at some point in time and with much fanfare and banner waving, some token of faith is delivered to a limited number of people who have “donated” several multiples of the requested fees, but still no one has any confirmation of delivery of the actual offered service. Bunko departments across the nation are being deluged by complaints of people being conned into sending checks to Post Office boxes, fly-by-night motel and trailer offices in NY, Chicago, and LA, and addresses in remote locations in the Midwest. The complaints all sound familiar to law enforcement officials. The confidence man or woman puts on the “squeeze” when they say, “if you don’t pay up, these are the terrible consequences you will suffer and regret maybe for the rest of your life.” They often use a pity ploy, wherein they make it appear they’re rendering a service (no one receives) but are losing horrendous amounts of money doing it as a service to the community (as they slam anyone in the community that asks “where’s the beef?”). They set time limits, then ignore them as long as cash keeps flowing in. When it’s time to deliver the service, they say the service must be delayed due to lack of customers, and later they say it must be delayed due to too many customers, while every person that paid waits at their door for a service that never arrives. And the most despicable, but most effective tactic of all, they get the “suckers” to earnestly and voraciously solicit funds from friends and relatives. The best advice to avoid being pulled in for large sums or small ones you’d rather not “donate” to dishonest people is this: Before sending money to people who have used every trick listed above, at least wait until you’ve seen other people in the neighborhood receive the purported service. If the person turns out to be honest, there will be no “time limit” in which to submit funds for a service that is dependably being delivered. Threats, squeezes, confidence plays, belittling, and outright lying and fraud should not be rewarded. --Don Blankenship -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:39:50 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Plane Fun" Subject: Aircraft Spruce catalog wrong Message-ID: Dear Jerry, We have reviewed your comments to the KR newsgroup regarding your attempt to use the instrument panel cut-out diagrams in our catalog as a template to cut out your panel. As reader Mark Jones pointed out, these diagrams have never been intended to be used as actual templates (the diagrams have been the same in our catalog for 30 years) as they are not to actual scale. On the same page we offer Instrument Layout Template (P/N 12-14600 @ $9.95) which works very well as an actual template. There is no “error” in our catalog, but we are sorry for your misunderstanding of the diagrams. If you need material to replace the panel that you laid out incorrectly, please let us know and we will be glad to offer special prices to your for that material. Let us know of we can be of assistance in this matter. Regards, Jim Irwin President, Aircraft Spruce _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 18:53:53 -0600 To: Plane Fun From: cartera CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce catalog wrong Message-ID: <3D62E4A1.6AC36333@cuug.ab.ca> Hello Jim, It's been a long time since we talked, when I built my KR in the early 80's. Just to let these young pups know that us old timers are still around. Nice to see a busy man take the time to come on the net. God Bless! Adrian Plane Fun wrote: > > Dear Jerry, > > We have reviewed your comments to the KR newsgroup regarding your attempt to > use the instrument panel cut-out diagrams in our catalog as a template to > cut out your panel. As reader Mark Jones pointed out, these diagrams have > never been intended to be used as actual templates (the diagrams have been > the same in our catalog for 30 years) as they are not to actual scale. On > the same page we offer Instrument Layout Template (P/N 12-14600 @ $9.95) > which works very well as an actual template. There is no “error” in our > catalog, but we are sorry for your misunderstanding of the diagrams. If you > need material to replace the panel that you laid out incorrectly, please let > us know and we will be glad to offer special prices to your for that > material. Let us know of we can be of assistance in this matter. > > Regards, > > Jim Irwin > President, Aircraft Spruce > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:47:10 -0400 To: Plane Fun From: Brian Kraut CC: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce catalog wrong Message-ID: <3D62F11E.7060409@earthlink.net> Now that is customer service! I have had minor problems with ACS orders in the past and always had them resolved to my satisfaction as soon as I let them know there was a problem. I would suggest a "Drawings not to scale" note in the catalog. Plane Fun wrote: > Dear Jerry, > > We have reviewed your comments to the KR newsgroup regarding your > attempt to use the instrument panel cut-out diagrams in our catalog as > a template to cut out your panel. As reader Mark Jones pointed out, > these diagrams have never been intended to be used as actual templates > (the diagrams have been the same in our catalog for 30 years) as they > are not to actual scale. On the same page we offer Instrument Layout > Template (P/N 12-14600 @ $9.95) which works very well as an actual > template. There is no "error" in our catalog, but we are sorry for > your misunderstanding of the diagrams. If you need material to replace > the panel that you laid out incorrectly, please let us know and we > will be glad to offer special prices to your for that material. Let us > know of we can be of assistance in this matter. > > Regards, > > Jim Irwin > President, Aircraft Spruce > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For > additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:21:29 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Aircraft Spruce catalog wrong Message-Id: If I recall, the diagram's have the actual dimensions printed on them. If you use a dial calaper you can confirm how accurate they are. In my case, I made everything out of cardboard using the ACS templates as a guide, then switched to MASONITE and used actual used instruments to try the fit. Once I had somthing in Masonite that looked good, THEN I cut the aluminum. By the way. I have these old instruments laying around which are basicly worthless for anything other than trial fitting. Maybe I should make a box so 'netters could send me a deposit and cover shipping and do trial fits on instruments...say a $25.00 deposit and $10-15 or whatever UPS/Fed-X ground would be for shipping? Anyone think that is a good idea? -- Ross 8/20/2002 6:47:10 PM, Brian Kraut wrote: >Now that is customer service! > >I have had minor problems with ACS orders in the past and always had >them resolved to my satisfaction as soon as I let them know there was a >problem. > >I would suggest a "Drawings not to scale" note in the catalog. > >Plane Fun wrote: > >> Dear Jerry, >> >> We have reviewed your comments to the KR newsgroup regarding your >> attempt to use the instrument panel cut-out diagrams in our catalog as >> a template to cut out your panel. As reader Mark Jones pointed out, >> these diagrams have never been intended to be used as actual templates >> (the diagrams have been the same in our catalog for 30 years) as they >> are not to actual scale. On the same page we offer Instrument Layout >> Template (P/N 12-14600 @ $9.95) which works very well as an actual >> template. There is no "error" in our catalog, but we are sorry for >> your misunderstanding of the diagrams. If you need material to replace >> the panel that you laid out incorrectly, please let us know and we >> will be glad to offer special prices to your for that material. Let us >> know of we can be of assistance in this matter. >> >> Regards, >> >> Jim Irwin >> President, Aircraft Spruce >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" >> >> To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org For >> additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org >> >> See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >> or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files >> >> > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 20:54:44 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: virgnvs@juno.com Subject: Refund Message-ID: <20020820.205723.-475513.1.virgnvs@juno.com> How many of you sent your refund to Larry for the newsletter? I did, The Newsletter Will Survive, Virg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:40:26 -0400 To: krnet From: Brian Kraut Subject: Cabin heat/air box Message-ID: <3D62EF8A.4080903@earthlink.net> I need to add cabin heat to my KR and also air vents for cooling. Since there seems to be no good place to put the NACA scoops between the stringers that I can still reach and be sure there is positive ait pressure I was thinking of making a combo heat and cooling box. I was going to make a box like my carb heat box with a valve that lets in either fresh air or heated air from the exhaust duct. I was going to put another valve on the outlet to control air volume. I am sure this will be adequate for heat, but I am not sure how effective this will be for cooling. When the air valve is in the cold air position the box will still be warm from being under the cowl and having the hot air tube connected to it. I am not sure if the flow of fresh air will be enough to keep the box and the cabin cool. Has anyone made this type of box that can tell me how effective it is as cooling? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 04:54:00 -0700 To: krnet From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Re: KR> Cabin heat/air box Message-Id: <200208210454.AA76480874@jrl-engineering.com> Yes, I have a sketch available for a intergrated vent/heat and carb heat plenum. See Mark L's web site, I believe he put it their if not, I think I have the drawings I can send you if I had your address. KRRon ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: Brian Kraut Reply-To: engalt@earthlink.net Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:40:26 -0400 >I need to add cabin heat to my KR and also air vents for cooling. Since >there seems to be no good place to put the NACA scoops between the >stringers that I can still reach and be sure there is positive ait >pressure I was thinking of making a combo heat and cooling box. I was >going to make a box like my carb heat box with a valve that lets in >either fresh air or heated air from the exhaust duct. I was going to >put another valve on the outlet to control air volume. > >I am sure this will be adequate for heat, but I am not sure how >effective this will be for cooling. When the air valve is in the cold >air position the box will still be warm from being under the cowl and >having the hot air tube connected to it. I am not sure if the flow of >fresh air will be enough to keep the box and the cabin cool. Has anyone >made this type of box that can tell me how effective it is as cooling? > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > -- Ronald R. Eason Sr. Pres. & CEO, KCMO Office J.R.L. Engineering Consortium Ltd. 816-468-4091, Kansas City, MO. Jim Eason V.P, 770-446-1291, Atlanta, Georgia Web Page: www.jrl-engineering.com -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Aug 2002 21:23:27 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ross Youngblood Subject: I'm Back Message-Id: <54CB3XOKTQ43PL1VIKJC7HVU2XVU5Z.3d6315bf@cx239334-a> Howdy 'netters. I'm back! I just finished moving back to Oregon from Arizona, the KR project has a hangar again! You know that your project is taking a long time, when you have to replace and log the changing of your ELT batteries for a project that has not yet flown! -- Ross Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2002 08:06:29 +0200 To: From: "Serge F. VIDAL" Subject: Re: KR> Ignition Message-ID: <00e301c248da$dea4ae00$9cda1ac4@co.za> No problem, Eric! I will put that on my work list. Serge ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Evezard To: KR MAIL Sent: Monday, August 19, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: KR> Ignition Hi Netters, It looks a good idea to get Serge to give us a wiring diagram of his ignition system.This system is very simple and easy to install I hear.Also the engine will run badly if the sensors polarity is reversed,and must be done by trial and error.Whats this all about?How about it Serge? Best Regards, Eric Evezard, South Africa ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************