From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 5 Sep 2002 10:31:02 -0000 Issue 510 Date: Thursday, September 05, 2002 3:32 AM krnet Digest 5 Sep 2002 10:31:02 -0000 Issue 510 Topics (messages 12348 through 12377): Re: Strobe Lights/Compass 12348 by: Mark Langford 12349 by: Mark Jones Re: PRD Hennie van Rooyen 12350 by: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) Type IV VW turbo carburator 12351 by: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) Re: Facet fuel pumps and Fuel Filters 12352 by: Daniel Heath Trailering 12353 by: Kenny Luter Re: trailer stability & tires 12354 by: gleone Progress report 12355 by: Bob Lee 12360 by: Donald Reid Re: fuel filters 12356 by: Ross Youngblood Re: adding turbo, pipes, coolers etc. 12357 by: jim wogaman 12358 by: Bob Lee 12364 by: Daniel Heath filtered fuel 12359 by: jim wogaman 12361 by: Ronald Freiberger KR Issues 12362 by: Ronevogt.aol.com 12365 by: Daniel Heath 12369 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Re: Why re-building canopy? 12363 by: Daniel Heath 12368 by: bstarrs 12377 by: Daniel Heath Red Oak KR Gathering Room Reservations Update 12366 by: gpasc 2002 Red Oak KR Gathering - RSVP Request! 12367 by: gpasc > trailer stability & tires 12370 by: larry flesner KR weight. 12371 by: jim wogaman 12376 by: Daniel Heath subaru engines 12372 by: jim wogaman Strobe Light / Compass 12373 by: Mark Jones design questions 12374 by: Bdazzcamro.aol.com 12375 by: Daniel Heath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:28:52 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Re: KR> Strobe Lights/Compass Message-ID: <004201c253c3$316b9f20$0100a8c0@TD310> Mark Jones wrote: >>I just finished installing a Whelen four head strobe unit in my plane. After all was said and done I test ran the strobes which operated fine. Out of the corner of my eye I noticed the magnetic compass was fluctuating and settled about 20 degrees off course. I turned off the strobes and the compass returned to correct reading. Any suggestions as to why the strobes are fluctuating my compass?<< Definitely a magnetic field but you knew that already! I'm sure you've seen my strobe installation at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/antennas.html . I'm not running Whelens (although I feel pretty sure I will be shortly), but location of the power supply and routing of the wires could certainly be a factor. I determined that MY optimal location for the strobe power supply was at the end of the stub wing, in the joint with the outer wing, on the passenger side. My magnetic compass doesn't budge when my strobes are on, but then it could be that mine are only a twentieth as bright (or rapid) as yours! Try to keep all that stuff as far away as possible from the compass, if you haven't already. Let us know what you figure out... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 22:48:00 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> Strobe Lights/Compass Message-ID: <006e01c253c5$deeafcc0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> I mounted the strobe power unit behind the seat on a shelf I made on the first set of diagonal cross braces. This puts the power unit exactly 5 feet from the magnetic compass. This is actually further away than if it were in the end of the stub wing. This unit produces 80 + or - double flashes per minute on an alternating circuit when using only two heads. If all four heads are used, I get 45 + or - double flashes per minute per head at 25 joules and 6.5 amps at 13.8 VDC. These strobes are so bright you can not look directly at them. I feel my positive and negative wiring may be too close to the compass. I am going to re-route the harness plus go to a double shielded wire and see what that does. Will keep you informed. Mark J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Langford" > Mark Jones wrote: > > >>I just finished installing a Whelen four head strobe unit in my plane. > After all was said and done I test ran the strobes which operated fine. Out > of the corner of my eye I noticed the magnetic compass was fluctuating and > settled about 20 degrees off course. I turned off the strobes and the > compass returned to correct reading. Any suggestions as to why the strobes > are fluctuating my compass?<< > > Definitely a magnetic field but you knew that already! I'm sure you've seen > my strobe installation at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/antennas.html . > I'm not running Whelens (although I feel pretty sure I will be shortly), but > location of the power supply and routing of the wires could certainly be a > factor. I determined that MY optimal location for the strobe power supply > was at the end of the stub wing, in the joint with the outer wing, on the > passenger side. My magnetic compass doesn't budge when my strobes are on, > but then it could be that mine are only a twentieth as bright (or rapid) as > yours! Try to keep all that stuff as far away as possible from the compass, > if you haven't already. Let us know what you figure out... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Sep 2002 23:56:13 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02)" Subject: FW: FW: KR> PRD Hennie van Rooyen Hi Brian, I totally agree with you on the three belts and I'm sure I'll locate a source for a single wide toothed belt over here in South Africa. I cannot comment on the strength of the mounting, but, as with my wing spars, will heed to any concerns and add another flat piece, mounted to the front of the engine around the crank exit side and welded at 90 degrees the rest of the upper mount. I think that this should be sufficient. Thank you for sharing your concerns. Keep well, Hennie van Rooyen South Africa "I don't know if I would trust this one..." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 00:27:22 -0500 To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" From: "van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02)" Subject: Type IV VW turbo carburator Hi all, I'm sure that this info could be found elsewhere, but you are the ones with the actual in flight experience, so here goes: For max performance using a turbocharger for a max bored 2.5 VW type IV engine using a modified cam allowing more air/fuel, what carburator should be used? Regards, Hennie van Rooyen, South Africa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 06:10:11 -0700 To: "krnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Facet fuel pumps and Fuel Filters Message-ID: Brian, I got really tired of messing with my gascolator on my first KR. I replaced it with a marine, spin on, water separating, fuel filter. Since I had an Ellison ( best carb on the market ), I used a Facet. It worked great from the first time I turned it on and fuel flowed when it was turned off. I assume it is still working as I have not heard otherwise. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 09:40:00 -0400 To: From: "Kenny Luter" Subject: Trailering Message-ID: <003a01c25418$91c12de0$a1b50ad8@hppav> ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C253F7.09F6EC40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why not rent an enclosed trailer and put the boat on a suspended or = shock dampened platform inside . Maybe on top of 2or 3 discarded = mattress sets or something ? . I would secure the boat from moving = around with ropes and padding . If it could'nt take a trip down the road = this way I sure would like to know before I hit CAT at 150mph.=20 Hope to start my own project soon ! I find this forum to informative = even if childish at times . Kenny ------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C253F7.09F6EC40-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 08:42:17 -0600 To: jim wogaman From: gleone CC: Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com, KRNET@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> trailer stability & tires Message-ID: <3D761BC9.9572734@tritel.net> Another idea for the "homebuilder": Northern Tool as well as Harbor Freight sell 4x8 folding trailer kits. Though these are single axle trailers, one can buy TWO of them and use the forwarded half (with tongue) to build a 4x12 trailer. Then using both axles, place them at or near where you expect your center of gravity to be located. Next, you ask, "what do I do with the remaining half trailer?" You make a ramp with it. Since the trailer has stake slots on the sides, it is a simple matter to build brackets in which to mount the wings for traveling. The mounts, as I envision them, would be solidly mounted on the inside with a hinge arrangement to fold up and lock in place, making loading and unloading a fairly simply matter. Just my idea as I've been looking for trailers and the "kit" trailer seems to be the least costly way to go so far. By the way, one company makes you buy the wheels and tires separately while the other provides them. Both kits are priced accordingly. The complete assembly is less expensive. Gene Leone, Worland, Wyoming jim wogaman wrote: > Back in the 60s a Ford dealer bunged his Mooney West of Columbus on SR 42 near Plain City. He employed several professional plane mechanics/mover to haul it to their shop and repair. He said their insurance underwriter would not cover a plane on any trailer unless it had more the one axel. I was with him when they moved his plane. jwog1@copper.net > cleo :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 10:43:02 -0400 To: "KRnet \(E-mail\)" From: "Bob Lee" Subject: Progress report Message-ID: <000001c25421$5ffbb2e0$040c0b0a@cheryl> Netheads, Last night I completed the installation of my intercooler. It is firmly bolted in place under the engine with inlet pipe from the turbo and outlet pipe to the manifold. I feel good about being able to make more progress now. The turbo and intercooler was all custom fabrication which took a lot of time. Not to mention needing to go to the EAA TIG class to gain the skill I needed. I can make up several months on the remainder of the firewall forward installation which is planned to be completed by the end of November. If you're interested in seeing my idea of a Turbo-intercooled VW Type IV engine take a look at my diary pages at: http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/diary/diary_pages.htm. See ya in Red Oak! Regards, Bob Lee _____________________________________ e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com web site: http://flyboybob.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 15:53:57 -0400 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Donald Reid Subject: Progress Report Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20020904155044.00a30bd0@pop.erols.com> --=====================_22526057==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have been making some progress on my cowling plug. A few new photos are on line at http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm I hope that I will see some of you at the Virginia State EAA Fly-in this weekend in Petersburg, VA. Details available at http://vaeaa.org I am both the webmaster and Fly-Market coordinator. Don Reid mailto:donreid@erols.com Bumpass, Va Visit my web sites at: KR2XL construction: http://users.erols.com/donreid/kr_page.htm Aviation Surplus: http://users.erols.com/donreid/Airparts.htm EAA Chapter 231: http://eaa231.org Ultralights: http://usua250.org VA EAA State Fly-in: http://vaeaa.org --=====================_22526057==_.ALT-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 09:00:27 -0700 To: krnet , engalt@earthlink.net From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> fuel filters Message-Id: I have an Ellison Throttle Body, and they recommend a pretty fine filter. I found a large automotive type filter which had a large surface area. Looks about the size of a pint of beer with threaded fittings. This is for my gravity feed and pumped fuel. Each wing tank also has a fuel filter but each wing tank also has independant facet fuel pumps. The large fuel filter does fine on gravity feed. I don't recall the fuel flow rate but it was 2x or more the requirement I needed. -- Ross 9/3/2002 6:11:40 PM, Brian Kraut wrote: >Are most KR owners using a fuel filter? I have a finger strainer in the >tank and the screen in the gascolator, but both are pretty coarse >filters that won't get out fine particles. I am pushing the edge of >good gravity feed now with all the fittings, etc. and would hate to add >a filter that will restrict my flow even more unless it is necessary. > >I have a Zenith carb. > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 11:26:32 -0400 To: From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: Re: adding turbo, pipes, coolers etc. Message-ID: <001701c25427$75e9a7a0$58c429d1@jeannielobell> Netters, fly-bob: do you modifyer weigh each item, addeach items weight, then assemble and weigh total assembly to obtain total as you incorporate enhancements to engin/plane? Seems the wing area of KRs is a little small to bump up the weight of the plane. Not a criticism. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net. Enjoy IA cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Lee To: KRnet (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: KR> Progress report > Netheads, > > Last night I completed the installation of my intercooler. It is firmly > bolted in place under the engine with inlet pipe from the turbo and outlet > pipe to the manifold. I feel good about being able to make more progress > now. The turbo and intercooler was all custom fabrication which took a lot > of time. Not to mention needing to go to the EAA TIG class to gain the > skill I needed. I can make up several months on the remainder of the > firewall forward installation which is planned to be completed by the end of > November. If you're interested in seeing my idea of a Turbo-intercooled VW > Type IV engine take a look at my diary pages at: > http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/diary/diary_pages.htm. See ya in Red > Oak! > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > _____________________________________ > e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com > web site: http://flyboybob.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 12:58:31 -0400 To: "'jim wogaman'" From: "Bob Lee" Cc: "'hennie van `rooyan'" Subject: RE: adding turbo, pipes, coolers etc. Message-ID: <000101c25434$4e094c60$040c0b0a@cheryl> Jim, You wrote: "Seems the wing area of KRs is a little small to bump up the weight of the plane" Achieving the lightest empty weight is not a requirement in itself, it is only one design variable. The issue to consider, is the mission of the airplane. For me the objective is long range. Therefore I trade 25 pounds of turbocharger, intercooler and associated plumbing for the range that the same 25 pounds of fuel would produce normally aspired at FL100 vs turbo-normalized FL180. Building a KR light, is a function of gross weight, not empty weight. I have chosen to trade technology for fuel to achieve a longer range. My engine modifications do not change the gross weight they merely cut into the useful load, which in a KR is mostly me and fuel. They call it experimental so that's what I'm doing. I wish you good fortune with whatever direction you take with your project. Regards, Bob Lee _____________________________________ e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com web site: http://flyboybob.com -----Original Message----- From: jim wogaman [mailto:jwog1@copper.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:27 AM To: bob@flyboybob.com Cc: hennie van `rooyan Subject: Re: adding turbo, pipes, coolers etc. Netters, fly-bob: do you modifyer weigh each item, addeach items weight, then assemble and weigh total assembly to obtain total as you incorporate enhancements to engin/plane? Seems the wing area of KRs is a little small to bump up the weight of the plane. Not a criticism. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net. Enjoy IA cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Lee To: KRnet (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: KR> Progress report > Netheads, > > Last night I completed the installation of my intercooler. It is firmly > bolted in place under the engine with inlet pipe from the turbo and outlet > pipe to the manifold. I feel good about being able to make more progress > now. The turbo and intercooler was all custom fabrication which took a lot > of time. Not to mention needing to go to the EAA TIG class to gain the > skill I needed. I can make up several months on the remainder of the > firewall forward installation which is planned to be completed by the end of > November. If you're interested in seeing my idea of a Turbo-intercooled VW > Type IV engine take a look at my diary pages at: > http://flyboybob.com/web_pages/kr2/diary/diary_pages.htm. See ya in Red > Oak! > > Regards, > > Bob Lee > _____________________________________ > e-mail: mailto:bob@flyboybob.com > web site: http://flyboybob.com > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:32:17 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Re: adding turbo, pipes, coolers etc. Message-ID: Jim, You must know that there are many KRs flying at 700 - 800 empty weight. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 14:21:43 -0400 To: From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: filtered fuel Message-ID: <003101c2543f$ed038960$acc429d1@jeannielobell> ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C2541E.6480A620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a possibility that fuel acquires contamination between the pump = and the transport vessel to the plane? We moved disel fuel from fuel = station to equipment in what we believed was a clean tank. It was a new = 200 gal tank with a new hand pump. It was so bad it ruined a very good = toyota engine's electronic pump. The tank/pump vendors denied liability. = It also messed up the injectors. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net cleo :-) ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01C2541E.6480A620-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:19:51 -0400 To: "jim wogaman" , From: "Ronald Freiberger" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: RE: KR> filtered fuel Message-ID: There is simply NO SUBSTITUTE for a good fuel filter. Ron Freiberger... mailto:ron.martha@mindspring.com -----Original Message----- From: jim wogaman [mailto:jwog1@copper.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 2:22 PM To: engalt@earthlink.net Cc: hennie van `rooyan Subject: KR> filtered fuel Is there a possibility that fuel acquires contamination between the pump and the transport vessel to the plane? We moved disel fuel from fuel station to equipment in what we believed was a clean tank. It was a new 200 gal tank with a new hand pump. It was so bad it ruined a very good toyota engine's electronic pump. The tank/pump vendors denied liability. It also messed up the injectors. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net cleo :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:24:20 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Ronevogt@aol.com Subject: KR Issues Message-ID: Yo KR-2ers; I've been reading the various postings for a few months now and have decided to get in my 2 cents worth. The three main points I wish to address are engine type, weight and modern upgrades. 1) With the advent of the modern Subaru engines, why are you guys using VW junk? That technology is from the 1930s...and should stay there. For a fraction of the price, a homebuilder can have relatively light, powerful...and reliable engine. It's called Subaru EJ-22. 2) Naturally, a KR with a Subaru engine is going to be heavier. Of course, most of the added weight comes from not just the engine, but also the cooling system. Addition in weight comes with a price, and that is a higher aspect ratio and therefore a higher stall speed. Subject #3 addresses this issue. 3) Deihl Aeronautical sells a wing kit for the KR that is 12 inches longer than stock. This upgrade was introduced specifically for the builder that wants to use a heavier engine. Using the longer wing will bring the aspect ratio back where it should be. Also, Deihl sells a stronger landing gear. If you are going to have an airplane that is heavier than the plans call for, you better be able to support the weight. Thirdly, Deihl sells a prop extension hub and starter adapter that makes the conversion fairly simple. To top all of that off, they also sell an manual that shows you how to work your way through the wiring harness that comes with the computer. If any of you want to see what all of this looks like when applied to one airplane, the next-to-last issue of the KR Newsletter has an article and four pictures of my airplane featured. Furthermore, the last issue of the KR Newsletter features another 2S with a Subaru EJ-22. The owner claims a climb rate of 1800 fpm! Get with the program boys. After all, it's a new millenium. ronevogt@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:41:07 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> KR Issues Message-ID: I don't think you should call it "JUNK". There are many KRs flying very successfully behind VW engines. Yes, Dan makes all those things, but they are very expensive and I really think that there are better gear installations than Dan's, even though that is what we have. In fact, we have most of those things, but if I were to do this for the 3rd time, I would not use most of those expensive parts, but would spend my money on things that I either cannot build or are too time consuming and expensive to build. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 19:49:51 -0400 To: Ronevogt@aol.com From: Kenneth L Wiltrout Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> KR Issues Message-ID: <20020904.194951.-163157.0.klw1953@juno.com> The VW junk is a proven and light weight motor, you are correct in your assertion that once it gets heaver you need to redesign everything else about the airplane. One thing you didn't mention are the wing attach fittings, they are designed for the published weight which nobody hits anymore, I want to think that if I get into severe turbulence I'm not sitting in a heavy hi powered 2g airplane. Just the thoughts of a KR2S owner. On Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:24:20 EDT Ronevogt@aol.com writes: > Yo KR-2ers; > I've been reading the various postings for a few months now > and have > decided to get in my 2 cents worth. The three main points I wish to > address > are engine type, weight and modern upgrades. > 1) With the advent of the modern Subaru engines, why are you > guys > using VW junk? That technology is from the 1930s...and should stay > there. > For a fraction of the price, a homebuilder can have relatively > light, > powerful...and reliable engine. It's called Subaru EJ-22. > 2) Naturally, a KR with a Subaru engine is going to be > heavier. Of > course, most of the added weight comes from not just the engine, but > also the > cooling system. Addition in weight comes with a price, and that is > a higher > aspect ratio and therefore a higher stall speed. Subject #3 > addresses this > issue. > 3) Deihl Aeronautical sells a wing kit for the KR that is 12 > inches > longer than stock. This upgrade was introduced specifically for the > builder > that wants to use a heavier engine. Using the longer wing will > bring the > aspect ratio back where it should be. Also, Deihl sells a stronger > landing > gear. If you are going to have an airplane that is heavier than the > plans > call for, you better be able to support the weight. Thirdly, Deihl > sells a > prop extension hub and starter adapter that makes the conversion > fairly > simple. To top all of that off, they also sell an manual that shows > you how > to work your way through the wiring harness that comes with the > computer. > If any of you want to see what all of this looks like when > applied to > one airplane, the next-to-last issue of the KR Newsletter has an > article and > four pictures of my airplane featured. Furthermore, the last issue > of the KR > Newsletter features another 2S with a Subaru EJ-22. The owner > claims a climb > rate of 1800 fpm! > Get with the program boys. After all, it's a new millenium. > > ronevogt@aol.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:30:40 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: Why re-building canopy? Message-ID: Daniel, Are you rebuilding the canopy and wind screen you showed me pictures of (gull style)? They really look good, so what's the problem, why are you rebuilding< Charlie Charles, We are only re-building the windshield. We made it by cold wrapping Lexan. It crazed badly around each of the bends. We are building a new one using Acrylic ( Plexiglas) and drape (heat) forming it. I am now building the mold and the oven. I hope to have at least a test out of this oven on this mold before I leave for the gathering. I will have full pictures and narrative on the site as soon as I get some results to show. Later, See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 16:02:38 -0700 To: "Daniel Heath" , "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "bstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> RE: Why re-building canopy? Message-ID: <008001c25467$2ac7d860$9200a8c0@bstarrs> If you are just building the wind shield, The kitchen oven works fine. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Heath" To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 5:30 PM Subject: KR> RE: Why re-building canopy? > Daniel, > Are you rebuilding the canopy and wind screen you showed me pictures of > (gull > style)? They really look good, so what's the problem, why are you > rebuilding< > Charlie > > > > Charles, > > We are only re-building the windshield. We made it by cold wrapping Lexan. > It crazed badly around each of the bends. We are building a new one using > Acrylic ( Plexiglas) and drape (heat) forming it. I am now building the > mold and the oven. I hope to have at least a test out of this oven on this > mold before I leave for the gathering. > > I will have full pictures and narrative on the site as soon as I get some > results to show. > > Later, > > See you in Red Oak. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:34:06 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Why re-building canopy? Message-ID: If you are just building the wind shield, The kitchen oven works fine. Bill Starrs Bill, That would be really great and I wish it were so, but I can't get a 15" by 51" piece of Acrylic in my oven. I wish you lived closer, and I could come over and use yours. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:45:40 -0500 To: From: gpasc Subject: Red Oak KR Gathering Room Reservations Update Message-ID: To all traveling to Red Oak: If you have not made your reservations, please do so NOW. On September 12 (Thursday), the room block will be removed and the rooms will be available to the public. The closest town is 21 miles south. Schedule has been updated: http://www.greatplainsas.com/kragenda.html Linda Bennett 2002 KR Gathering Sec/Treas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 16:50:27 -0500 To: From: gpasc Subject: 2002 Red Oak KR Gathering - RSVP Request! Message-ID: --MS_Mac_OE_3114003027_1058906_MIME_Part Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit To all KR Enthusiasts Headed to Red Oak for the Gathering: This is to request an RSVP. We are trying to plan the amount of food required for the meals: Friday Lunch, Friday evening BBQ Pork Dinner, Saturday lunch and the evening Saturday Banquet at the Red Coach Inn. Please RSVP the number attending and when you expect to arrive. (I will assume you will be eating - if not please let me know that too!) to: gpasc@earthlink.net Thank you, Linda Bennett 2002 KR Gathering Sec/Treas --MS_Mac_OE_3114003027_1058906_MIME_Part-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Sep 2002 19:13:50 -0500 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: larry flesner Subject: > trailer stability & tires Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20020904191350.009a1bc0@mail.midwest.net> At 08:42 AM 9/4/02 -0600, gleone wrote: >Northern Tool as well as Harbor Freight sell 4x8 folding trailer kits. Though these are single axle trailers, one can buy TWO of them and use the forwarded half (with tongue) to build a 4x12 trailer. Then using both axles, place them at or near where you expect your center of gravity to be located. Leone, Worland, Wyoming ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++ Check your gear width before going too far. The outside of my main wheels comes very near the 8 foot mark. My 6" main gear tires are just outside the stub wing. I like the way you think though. From clever minds come great KR's !! :-) Larry Flesner Carterville, Illinois, USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:02:26 -0400 To: "Daniel Heath" From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: KR weight. Message-ID: <002101c2546f$8c600040$4c491cd8@jeannielobell> Dan & Krneters: I am a newbie never build anything that flys, helped a little on Piper twin, old waco, Christian Eagle, etc. Never could afford to build raised 5 kids a single parent. My intuition says keep it light. Worked on a GMC V8 for a plane. put Nissan starter, 8 Lbs, to save weight. I'm just here listening, reading and trying to learn. You guys have plenty experience. Wish you safe trip to IA wish I could drive out but, reponsibility keeps me home. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Heath To: Krnet@Mailinglists.Org Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 8:32 PM Subject: RE: KR> Re: adding turbo, pipes, coolers etc. > Jim, > > You must know that there are many KRs flying at 700 - 800 empty weight. > > See you in Red Oak. > > Daniel R. Heath > > See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org > > See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:30:14 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> KR weight. Message-ID: My intuition says keep it light. Jim, Your intuition is absolutely correct and right on. The reality is, that very few, if any, have ever been built to the advertised empty weight of 480 pounds. Most are around the 600 pound range for the KR2. Sorry you can't make it to Red Oak, but we will have a lot of pictures for you. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:23:31 -0400 To: From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: subaru engines Message-ID: <003001c25472$77c06e60$4c491cd8@jeannielobell> ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C25450.EFC3D220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Several my coworkers have had Subs and they swear by them. 200K miles is = nothing to these cars. Usually the body is rough by the time 200K but = the engine is doing fine. I did some research on their engines HP output = in Japan, no pollution stuff on engine. The Japanese graphic charts show = a 4 cylinder out of their best car doing 144HP no soup, no blower etc. = Probably had the computer reprogrammed though. I think the engine I = researched weighed 240 out of the car. Perhaps the engine is the best = part of the vehicle and that's the flyer wants. I seen one in a tri gear = KISS. There's a lot of HP in these new auto engines. My wife has a = Toyota Camry 2002, 4 cyl. 2.4 Lt. 157HP stock. At 2300 RPM it going = 77MPH not even working hard. The great auto trans has much to do with = that too.. You all have a safe, great time in IA. jim wogaman cleo :-) ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C25450.EFC3D220-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 20:59:40 -0500 To: "KR-Net" From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Strobe Light / Compass Message-ID: <006201c2547f$e543c9c0$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C25455.FC3CEDC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks to all of you who replied to my question. The solution as most of = you suggested was to move the power supply wires as far away from the = compass as possible. Re-routing the wire and changing to a shielded two = conductor 18 gauge wire did the trick. I did not ground the shield yet = but intend to do so. There is absolutely no deviation in the compass = now. Thanks Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA=20 E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at =20 http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ------=_NextPart_000_005F_01C25455.FC3CEDC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 00:54:03 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org (krnet) From: Bdazzcamro@aol.com Subject: design questions Message-ID: <130.13e0066e.2aa83d6b@aol.com> --part1_130.13e0066e.2aa83d6b_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am getting into the KR-2S project and was wondering some things. First, the range differance on the KR-2 and KR-2S is very different why is that? Second, I want the range on my KR-2S to be 1600 miles like the KR-2, how do I go about doing that? Third, can I put retacts to make it better streamline to get my range that I want or at least help it out some? Forth, is it possible to use both stub wing tanks and a header tank as well? I would like to be able to fit 35- 40 gallons of fuel on board with retracts. I'm getting alot of helpful hints off everyones questions and answers thanks so much. More to come Later I'm sure. David Swanson , ( Soon to be flier ) bdazzcamro@aol.com --part1_130.13e0066e.2aa83d6b_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2002 06:24:49 -0700 To: "krnet" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> design questions Message-ID: I want the range on my KR-2S to be 1600 miles like the KR-2, how do I go about doing that? Where is it published that the KR2 has a ranger of 1600 miles? I could go from Columbia, SC to Atlanta. That is about 400 miles. If you had two monster wing tanks and a header tank, maybe, you could do that. Do you know how long that would take? It would be difficult for anyone sit in a KR for that long at one time? The standard retract gear does not help, if anything, it hurts. However, if you really want to build a retract, I have several sets of parts for sale. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************