From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 8 Sep 2002 03:33:22 -0000 Issue 513 Date: Saturday, September 07, 2002 8:34 PM krnet Digest 8 Sep 2002 03:33:22 -0000 Issue 513 Topics (messages 12427 through 12445): Sticky topics 12427 by: John and Janet Martindale 12428 by: cartera 12432 by: bstarrs Re: KR Issues 12429 by: JC Marais 12435 by: jim wogaman Re: KR Issues engine power 12430 by: jim wogaman Re: cub copy & plans source: REPLY 12431 by: jim wogaman Re: Diesel engines 12433 by: Mike Mims fly-in fresno 12434 by: Allan D Olcott Sealed batteries 12436 by: JIM VANCE Re: Diesel engines reply 12437 by: jim wogaman 12439 by: Mike Mims 12440 by: Mike Mims 12441 by: Mike Mims KRNetiquette 12438 by: Mark Langford 12443 by: jim wogaman Ellison Carb and fuel pumps 12442 by: Stephen P. Glover 12444 by: bstarrs canopy/gathering 12445 by: jim . synergy design Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 19:35:10 +1000 To: "KRnet" From: "John and Janet Martindale" Subject: Sticky topics Message-ID: <004b01c25653$29bcab60$e5de12d2@m1g0x7> ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C256A5.ADE8C160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks As a longish term member of the KRnet, I am getting a bit tired of all = the chitchat about various engines on this site and it costs me money to = download it all. If you want to talk about VWs please go to that site, = Corvairs to that site, Subarus to that site etc. I would prefer to hear = about the construction and performance of the KR aircraft on this site = using the Virg terminology, ie., objective, succinct and to the point. Regards John and Janet Martindale 29 Jane Circuit TOORMINA NSW 2452 AUSTRALIA ph: 61 2 66584767 ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01C256A5.ADE8C160-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 07:27:04 -0600 To: John and Janet Martindale From: cartera CC: KRnet Subject: Re: KR> Sticky topics Message-ID: <3D79FEA8.7A4077EE@cuug.ab.ca> Hello Gang & John, Whoaaa! I think this is overstepping the boundaries of good taste. I don't like being told that I should live up to someone else's expectations. I think your point is offensive and this net is a chit chat net and a NO FLAME NET. We are all guests here and so are you! And if it costs you extra money to download, maybe you should make other arrangement with your ISP! I am also a long term member, since it's inception, maybe if your that tired you should take a rest and maybe things will look better when you arise. Regards, John and Janet Martindale wrote: > > Folks > > As a longish term member of the KRnet, I am getting a bit tired of all the chitchat about various engines on this site and it costs me money to download it all. If you want to talk about VWs please go to that site, Corvairs to that site, Subarus to that site etc. I would prefer to hear about the construction and performance of the KR aircraft on this site using the Virg terminology, ie., objective, succinct and to the point. > > Regards > > John and Janet Martindale > 29 Jane Circuit > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > AUSTRALIA > > ph: 61 2 66584767 -- Adrian VE6AFY Calgary, Alberta Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 07:30:09 -0700 To: "cartera" , "John and Janet Martindale" From: "bstarrs" Cc: "KRnet" Subject: Re: KR> Sticky topics Message-ID: <00dc01c2567b$127c5720$9200a8c0@bstarrs> Aside from the fact that some people feel that being forced to press the delete key is a monumental incursion on their liberty, what is this "cost to down load material" Is there such charge in Australia? Bill Starrs, Prescott,AZ, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "cartera" To: "John and Janet Martindale" Cc: "KRnet" Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:27 AM Subject: Re: KR> Sticky topics > Hello Gang & John, > Whoaaa! I think this is overstepping the boundaries of good taste. > I don't like being told that I should live up to someone else's > expectations. I think your point is offensive and this net is > a chit chat net and a NO FLAME NET. We are all guests here and > so are you! And if it costs you extra money to download, maybe > you should make other arrangement with your ISP! I am also a > long term member, since it's inception, maybe if your that tired > you should take a rest and maybe things will look better when you > arise. > Regards, > > John and Janet Martindale wrote: > > > > Folks > > > > As a longish term member of the KRnet, I am getting a bit tired of all the chitchat about various engines on this site and it costs me money to download it all. If you want to talk about VWs please go to that site, Corvairs to that site, Subarus to that site etc. I would prefer to hear about the construction and performance of the KR aircraft on this site using the Virg terminology, ie., objective, succinct and to the point. > > > > Regards > > > > John and Janet Martindale > > 29 Jane Circuit > > TOORMINA NSW 2452 > > AUSTRALIA > > > > ph: 61 2 66584767 > > -- > Adrian VE6AFY > Calgary, Alberta > Mailto:cartera@cuug.ab.ca > http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:16:02 +0200 To: , From: "JC Marais" Subject: Re: KR> KR Issues Message-ID: <00ec01c25679$1e2b7030$e8b9ef9b@jc> Hi Ronevogt, Sorry, but I could not your REAL name on your message. I would like to comment on your 2 cents worth of comments. Actually, I think they are nearer to 5 cents. Please do not under estimate your ideas. As you can see, I am from South Africa, far south on the globe where dragons live. We are WAY behind you guys. We still believe that the old VW is quite a good engine. Problem is, they are getting long in the tooth. Good blocks and spares are found only in US mags. A few years ago I decided to go the hi-tech route. I imported an EA81T, with the idea to have it adapted an converted to make a big fan move. I am still busy with this project. It took me about a year to get a decent set of injectors. About as long for the computer. You will be spared the rest of the tears. (both on my face and in the dear wallet) The Soob was not a world car. They were exported only to a few enlightened countries. If I want spares, the ONLY shop to get is called the "Internet". That depends then on friendly guys on the other side who are willing to source, pack and ship. Transferring buying power to make the other side smile, is in the same league. Be glad that, when you were one of 100 000, it happend in a Soob-infected country. Regards. JC Marais South Africa jcmarais@intekom.co.za Tel: (+27)12 - 660-1463 (H) Cell phone : 082-401-5259 ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:24 PM Subject: KR> KR Issues > Yo KR-2ers; > I've been reading the various postings for a few months now and have > decided to get in my 2 cents worth. The three main points I wish to address > are engine type, weight and modern upgrades. > 1) With the advent of the modern Subaru engines, why are you guys > using VW junk? That technology is from the 1930s...and should stay there. > For a fraction of the price, a homebuilder can have relatively light, > powerful...and reliable engine. It's called Subaru EJ-22. > 2) Naturally, a KR with a Subaru engine is going to be heavier. Of > course, most of the added weight comes from not just the engine, but also the > cooling system. Addition in weight comes with a price, and that is a higher > aspect ratio and therefore a higher stall speed. Subject #3 addresses this > issue. > 3) Deihl Aeronautical sells a wing kit for the KR that is 12 inches > longer than stock. This upgrade was introduced specifically for the builder > that wants to use a heavier engine. Using the longer wing will bring the > aspect ratio back where it should be. Also, Deihl sells a stronger landing > gear. If you are going to have an airplane that is heavier than the plans > call for, you better be able to support the weight. Thirdly, Deihl sells a > prop extension hub and starter adapter that makes the conversion fairly > simple. To top all of that off, they also sell an manual that shows you how > to work your way through the wiring harness that comes with the computer. > If any of you want to see what all of this looks like when applied to > one airplane, the next-to-last issue of the KR Newsletter has an article and > four pictures of my airplane featured. Furthermore, the last issue of the KR > Newsletter features another 2S with a Subaru EJ-22. The owner claims a climb > rate of 1800 fpm! > Get with the program boys. After all, it's a new millenium. > > ronevogt@aol.com > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 14:32:01 -0400 To: "JC Marais" From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: Re: KR> KR Issues Message-ID: <001a01c2569c$dcfc3bc0$44c429d1@jeannielobell> JC, Ron, & netters: Since we are all looking for low prices, quality parts etc. for USA residents may I suggest police auctions in larger cites. My son is a Columbus police officer. I have purchased vehicles for parts, removed engines or parts we needed sold the rest to junk yards (auto recyclers) usually the only people I'm bidding against are junk yard buyers, poor or young people wanting rebuilders! You buy "what you see is what you get" For you people over there in Africa, If I can ever help you out I'll try. One time back in 1970 I bought a new VW engine still on the skid for $25.00. I was driving an ex state patrol car foroo a personal car. We loaded it in the trunk I took it home put in my 61 rag top. My old 61 engine went in my friend's dune buggy. That engine was so hot we had to wear gloves to pick it up! jwog1@copper.net cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: JC Marais To: ; Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 10:16 AM Subject: Re: KR> KR Issues > Hi Ronevogt, > > Sorry, but I could not your REAL name on your message. > > I would like to comment on your 2 cents worth of comments. > Actually, I think they are nearer to 5 cents. Please do not under estimate > your ideas. > > As you can see, I am from South Africa, far south on the globe where dragons > live. We are WAY behind you guys. We still believe that the old VW is > quite a good engine. Problem is, they are getting long in the tooth. Good > blocks and spares are found only in US mags. > > A few years ago I decided to go the hi-tech route. I imported an EA81T, > with the idea to have it adapted an converted to make a big fan move. I am > still busy with this project. It took me about a year to get a decent set > of injectors. About as long for the computer. You will be spared the rest > of the tears. (both on my face and in the dear wallet) > > The Soob was not a world car. They were exported only to a few enlightened > countries. If I want spares, the ONLY shop to get is called the "Internet". > That depends then on friendly guys on the other side who are willing to > source, pack and ship. Transferring buying power to make the other side > smile, is in the same league. > > Be glad that, when you were one of 100 000, it happend in a Soob-infected > country. > > Regards. > > JC Marais > South Africa > jcmarais@intekom.co.za > Tel: (+27)12 - 660-1463 (H) > Cell phone : 082-401-5259 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:24 PM > Subject: KR> KR Issues > > > > Yo KR-2ers; > > I've been reading the various postings for a few months now and have > > decided to get in my 2 cents worth. The three main points I wish to > address > > are engine type, weight and modern upgrades. > > 1) With the advent of the modern Subaru engines, why are you guys > > using VW junk? That technology is from the 1930s...and should stay there. > > For a fraction of the price, a homebuilder can have relatively light, > > powerful...and reliable engine. It's called Subaru EJ-22. > > 2) Naturally, a KR with a Subaru engine is going to be heavier. > Of > > course, most of the added weight comes from not just the engine, but also > the > > cooling system. Addition in weight comes with a price, and that is a > higher > > aspect ratio and therefore a higher stall speed. Subject #3 addresses > this > > issue. > > 3) Deihl Aeronautical sells a wing kit for the KR that is 12 > inches > > longer than stock. This upgrade was introduced specifically for the > builder > > that wants to use a heavier engine. Using the longer wing will bring the > > aspect ratio back where it should be. Also, Deihl sells a stronger > landing > > gear. If you are going to have an airplane that is heavier than the plans > > call for, you better be able to support the weight. Thirdly, Deihl sells > a > > prop extension hub and starter adapter that makes the conversion fairly > > simple. To top all of that off, they also sell an manual that shows you > how > > to work your way through the wiring harness that comes with the computer. > > If any of you want to see what all of this looks like when applied to > > one airplane, the next-to-last issue of the KR Newsletter has an article > and > > four pictures of my airplane featured. Furthermore, the last issue of the > KR > > Newsletter features another 2S with a Subaru EJ-22. The owner claims a > climb > > rate of 1800 fpm! > > Get with the program boys. After all, it's a new millenium. > > > > ronevogt@aol.com > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:42:24 -0400 To: "Glasco" From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: Re: KR> KR Issues engine power Message-ID: <003201c25674$676bac60$53c429d1@jeannielobell> Glasco & Netters: Mr. Glasco is correct. Hennie here's something from Jepperson, page 2-3. 30% of all heat energy from piston engine can be direct to useful work! 20% to cooling, 45% exhaust, 5% fricton. Also, 180HP seems to be a large figure for that tiny PRD of 9 lbs. When the paster used 28-30 lbs for a GMC V8 rated @ 175HP. Not argueing my friend but people & organizations will say anything to get your votes or money! jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net And the person in AUS that gets charged for engine talk. Maybe your IPS will filter your amil and delete anything with "engine" in the text. cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Glasco To: Cc: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:55 PM Subject: RE: KR> KR Issues > At 11:56 PM 9/5/02 -0500, you wrote: > >At the following site, I read: > > > >http://www.altimizer.com/specs.html > > > Horsepower and Fuel Consumption Wt.(lbs) > > > > 180 @ 4500 rpm / 7.1 GPH 92+ Octane 190 lbs" > > > >Unless someone can prove the above to be wrong, I HAVE to and WANT to > >believe these statements. I'm no expert on this subject though as my VW > >flying experience is still too start, but the above does sound interesting > >indeed! > > > >Keep well > > > >Hennie van Rooyen > >South Africa > > > Hennie, > > Sounds pretty good doesn't it, you might say, "Too good to be true!" I > think that was the consensus of most KR-Net members last time this subject > came up. > > I have no experience with their product, know of no one using it so can > only look at their claims with a bit of theory. Consider fuel versus > horsepower. To make more power you have to burn more fuel. Every engine I > know of that burns about 7 gal per hour makes about 100 HP. There is some > effeciency variation in the numbers and also some dispute about the actual > HP of each engine. Measuring HP is an area that is loaded with variables > that can provide fodder for exaggerated claims. > Altimizer claims to make their power by tuning the intake and exhaust and > some internal tweeking of cam etc. Tuned headers makes power in a very > narrow rpm band and less power at every other rpm. When they claim to make > about twice the HP of a turbo VW of similar size I really begin to wonder > about their veracity. > Also consider, when you make HP you generate heat, more HP, more heat. > What do they say about cooling that 180 HP VW based engine? I have some > websites bookmarked at work that provides engineering data. When I can > find time I will send them to you. > > Regards, > > Brad Glasco > KR-2S Corvair > California > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 09:54:03 -0400 To: "jim @ synergy design" From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: Re: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source: REPLY Message-ID: <003901c25676$089976c0$53c429d1@jeannielobell> netters: Thanks for info on planes. I will abort the thoughts. I'd like to think about doing a Stinson. My friend that does my AC has 2 the lucky guy, they are a fabulous plane. My cousin had one back in the late 30 early 40s. Those USMC days are gone forever. Probably just as well had many head problems after that. Ears, hands & back are gone. but, I'm here for now. Now you know I am a geezer! Jim Sporka, I know your dad was a special person. Just think about what he did and compare it to the population of 20-29 year olds now. Make you want to puke! jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: jim @ synergy design To: jim wogaman Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:37 AM Subject: Re: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source > Jim, Due to the laws of physics, model airplane plans will not properly > scale up directly. It was explained to me years ago ,but forgot most of the > details why. Wag-Aero makes OUTSTANDING plans for cub replicas(full size), > as well as their version of a piper Vagabond. The plans also have an > available suppliment for the military version, as well as a clipped wing > aerobatic version. I have a set and the military mod drawings. All first > class. I think they were about $70.00 plus a little extra for the > suppliment. They also sell components for a genuine cub, as well as their > own version. Check out their web -site. Good Luck, Jim Sporka P.S. If > i read your post correctly, you were a Marine in Korea? So was my > father. ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim wogaman" > To: "hennie van `rooyan" > Cc: "Bruce Watkins" <5151flyer@charter.net> > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:19 PM > Subject: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source > > > > > > cleo :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: jim wogaman > > To: Bruce Watkins <5151flyer@charter.net> > > Cc: > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:04 PM > > Subject: cub copy & plans source > > > > > > > B.W. & netters: Until the late 50s a company named Cleveland Models > built > > & > > > sold balsa stick models of very precise quality. These were rather large > > > models and accurate of scale. The company was in the Cleveland, OH area. > > EAA > > > members told me their plans were adequate for home builders to follow to > > > make copies of planes. Would anyone know of anyone that would have > access > > to > > > any of these old model plane? Perhaps they would allow me to copy the > > > planes. I would post a surety deposit to cover the loan of the planes. > > Thank > > > you. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net > > > cleo :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Bruce Watkins <5151flyer@charter.net> > > > To: jim wogaman > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:43 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR> Continental A-65 exhaust wanted REPLY > > > > > > > > > > Jim, yes I have a 5151. I have built THREE 5151's but this is the > last! > > > > Mush larger than a KR-1 also sloooooooooower but they are guarantee to > > > > absolutely turn heads at any airport! > > > > Here are a few pictures of my 5151. > > > > enjoy,. > > > > Bruce > > > > btw, I am using the A-65 in a full size Super Cub replica > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "jim wogaman" > > > > To: "Bruce Watkins" <5151flyer@charter.net> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:00 AM > > > > Subject: Re: KR> Continental A-65 exhaust wanted REPLY > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bruce Watkins: Do you have a 5151 plane? Did you build it? Is it > near > > > the > > > > > same size as an KR1? A man from Westerville, OH built a .60% f51. > Had > > a > > > > > 400HP Ranger engine, retractable gear from some piper plane, He told > > me > > > he > > > > > quit recording work hours @ 8,500. It was beautiful. My older > brother > > > flew > > > > > those in WWII. Loved them. They have a magic look to them. Designed > in > > 6 > > > > > days. That's the story. Were build here in CMH on E. 5th avenue. > plant > > > > > employed 13K people. Tell me about your plane. Thanks jim wogaman > > > > > jwog1@copper.net > > > > > cleo :-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Bruce Watkins <5151flyer@charter.net> > > > > > To: > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:49 PM > > > > > Subject: KR> Continental A-65 exhaust wanted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello All, > > > > > I'm looking for the exhaust system for a Continental A-65. If you > are > > > > > constantly tripping over this setup while working on your KR and > need > > to > > > > > find it a home please contact me. > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bruce Watkins > > > > > > > > > > Bruce Watkins > > > > > 5151flyer@charter.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 10:32:36 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines Message-ID: <20020907173236.95047.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> Look towards VW for the best diesel around for aero conversion. The new line of TDi engines are your best bet. --- jim wogaman wrote: > Netters: There are weight saving economies to small > diesels, but with all the other choices of engines > for KRs, it seems diesels would be more difficult to > acquire. The USA is not a small diesel engine using > country. western Europe, asian area etc. a person > could find many, many diesels. If you want reduce > lbs on liquid cooled engines make radiators from > aluminum AC coils/coolers. Use epoxy/glass for > intakes etc. They will breathe better and be much > lighter. We made an intake for a Prelude engine and > a big subaru engine. jim wogaman > jwog1@copper.net > cleo :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Pappas > To: jwog1@copper.net > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:16 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > Only one problem with diesel,even if clean at > take-off at elevation condensation can contaminate > the fuel.If you think gas is sensitive to water see > what happens when it get in diesel fuel! > > > > > > > > Chris Pappas > >From: "jim wogaman" > >To: "gleone" > >CC: "hennie van `rooyan" > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:49:45 -0400 > > > >Gene you Wyoming cowpoke: You are correct on all > counts! but, did you know > >that a Stinson was the 1st American plane to run > a diesel and that Vauxhall > >makes a 1.8 lt. auto diesel engine used that was > put in some type of home > >built. Article said it operated fine. You take > care out there! Watch that > >coyote bait! jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net > >cleo :-) > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: gleone > >To: jim wogaman > >Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:31 PM > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > There is only one problem with diesels and > that is they are heavy, even > >the little engines. They have heavier crank > shafts and usually beefier > >connecting rods. On the other side, they have > torque from Hell, are fuel > >efficient, reliable beyond belief and easy to > maintain. My few pennies > >worth! Gene, Wyo > > > > > > jim wogaman wrote: > > > > > > > cleo :-) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: Russell Dold > > > > To: jwog1@copper.net > > > > Sent: Friday, September RUSSELL DOLD: > >Thank you very much for the information. You > probably correct. > > > > diesel fuel is great stuff too bad we have > disesl here as they do in > >Europe. Honda is now beginning to market Civics > with diesel for the > >Europeian market. In Oh diesel fuel costs more > than unleaded. Requires less > >to refine, big oil "has it's way" with us! You > stay safe, healthy, free and > >etc. over there. jim wogaman jwog1@coppernet > > > > Subject: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > A long time ago I was slightly involved in > marketing speciality > >lubricants, and I found out a little about one of > the problems which can > >affect diesel fuel. Apparently there is a > particular bacteria that likes to > >live at the interface between the diesel fuel and > any moisture. When > >conditions are exactly right these things > multiply at a frightening rate and > >clog up everything in sight - apparently looks > like slime. Some of the fuel > >companies market what they call "fuel > conditioner" which helps the bulk > >suppliers to keep the problem at bay. > > > > > > > > It's my very uneducated guess that your > supplier has tanks which are > >contaminated with this, or at least have a bit of > water in them. > > > > > > > > The crowd I was involved with was > Lubrication Engineers. There must be > >others. Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Russell Dold > > > > Germiston, South Africa > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >To post to the list, email: > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > >For additional commands, e-mail: > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > >See the KRNet archives at > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > your photos: Click Here > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Sep 2002 18:30:37 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "Allan D Olcott" Subject: fly-in fresno Message-ID: just went up to sierra sky park here in fresno, they are having their end of summer fly in. a couple of harmon rockets showed up really cool what 300hp will do for you. had gentleman with rv that has ford v-6 really smart installation. had 30's aeronca here with dash instruments from 37 chrylser as stock found in barn been there for past 30yrs single ignition 50-hp stock. we lost two aircraft here in fresno last two weeks on an ercoupe, just out of annual lost fuel to engine landed ok then hit post in grape field, totaled. yesterday a velocity had sudden vibrations hit forced landed into plowed field caught fire could not put it out only wing tips left. nobody hurt both aircraft all walked away. didn't panic just landed and walked away.+ I know its not friday but just jazzed about the homebuilts that showed up. going back now for tri-tip and beans. :0) have a fun saturday. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:11:56 -0500 To: "kr net" From: "JIM VANCE" Subject: Sealed batteries Message-ID: <004601c256ab$08e7cac0$33000a0a@oemcomputer> ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C25680.E805EBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've found an excellent source for sealed batteries for our homebuilts. = They were most responsive to my request, and shipped the same day that I = ordered. They can be found at B&C Specialty.com. Jim Vance = Vance@ClaflinWildcats.com ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C25680.E805EBE0-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 15:57:34 -0400 To: "Mike Mims" From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines reply Message-ID: <003001c256a8$cfdf2f40$44c429d1@jeannielobell> Mike & nettera: Don't know what a TDi engine is. A man @ Don Scott field had a German motor glider it had a what he called a redesigned VW engine. He said it came as original equipment with the glider. Had many design/engineering improvements. This was not a junk unit. Had folding power wings, beautiful leather-like seat covers fantastic fit and finish etc. Price $78K. Managers of field really did not like him to keep it at field too much wings span. Have pic of it. It's a beauty. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Mims To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:32 PM Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > Look towards VW for the best diesel around for aero > conversion. The new line of TDi engines are your best > bet. > > > --- jim wogaman wrote: > > Netters: There are weight saving economies to small > > diesels, but with all the other choices of engines > > for KRs, it seems diesels would be more difficult to > > acquire. The USA is not a small diesel engine using > > country. western Europe, asian area etc. a person > > could find many, many diesels. If you want reduce > > lbs on liquid cooled engines make radiators from > > aluminum AC coils/coolers. Use epoxy/glass for > > intakes etc. They will breathe better and be much > > lighter. We made an intake for a Prelude engine and > > a big subaru engine. jim wogaman > > jwog1@copper.net > > cleo :-) > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chris Pappas > > To: jwog1@copper.net > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:16 PM > > Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > > > > Only one problem with diesel,even if clean at > > take-off at elevation condensation can contaminate > > the fuel.If you think gas is sensitive to water see > > what happens when it get in diesel fuel! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Pappas > > >From: "jim wogaman" > > >To: "gleone" > > >CC: "hennie van `rooyan" > > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:49:45 -0400 > > > > > >Gene you Wyoming cowpoke: You are correct on all > > counts! but, did you know > > >that a Stinson was the 1st American plane to run > > a diesel and that Vauxhall > > >makes a 1.8 lt. auto diesel engine used that was > > put in some type of home > > >built. Article said it operated fine. You take > > care out there! Watch that > > >coyote bait! jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net > > >cleo :-) > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: gleone > > >To: jim wogaman > > >Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:31 PM > > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > > > > There is only one problem with diesels and > > that is they are heavy, even > > >the little engines. They have heavier crank > > shafts and usually beefier > > >connecting rods. On the other side, they have > > torque from Hell, are fuel > > >efficient, reliable beyond belief and easy to > > maintain. My few pennies > > >worth! Gene, Wyo > > > > > > > > jim wogaman wrote: > > > > > > > > > cleo :-) > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: Russell Dold > > > > > To: jwog1@copper.net > > > > > Sent: Friday, September RUSSELL DOLD: > > >Thank you very much for the information. You > > probably correct. > > > > > diesel fuel is great stuff too bad we have > > disesl here as they do in > > >Europe. Honda is now beginning to market Civics > > with diesel for the > > >Europeian market. In Oh diesel fuel costs more > > than unleaded. Requires less > > >to refine, big oil "has it's way" with us! You > > stay safe, healthy, free and > > >etc. over there. jim wogaman jwog1@coppernet > > > > > Subject: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > A long time ago I was slightly involved in > > marketing speciality > > >lubricants, and I found out a little about one of > > the problems which can > > >affect diesel fuel. Apparently there is a > > particular bacteria that likes to > > >live at the interface between the diesel fuel and > > any moisture. When > > >conditions are exactly right these things > > multiply at a frightening rate and > > >clog up everything in sight - apparently looks > > like slime. Some of the fuel > > >companies market what they call "fuel > > conditioner" which helps the bulk > > >suppliers to keep the problem at bay. > > > > > > > > > > It's my very uneducated guess that your > > supplier has tanks which are > > >contaminated with this, or at least have a bit of > > water in them. > > > > > > > > > > The crowd I was involved with was > > Lubrication Engineers. There must be > > >others. Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Russell Dold > > > > > Germiston, South Africa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > >To post to the list, email: > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > >See the KRNet archives at > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print > > your photos: Click Here > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes > http://finance.yahoo.com > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:21:30 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines reply Message-ID: <20020907232130.3272.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> --- jim wogaman wrote: > Mike & nettera: Don't know what a TDi engine is. A > man @ Don Scott field had > a German motor glider it had a what he called a > redesigned VW engine. He > said it came as original equipment with the glider. > Had many > design/engineering improvements. This was not a junk > unit. Had folding power > wings, beautiful leather-like seat covers fantastic > fit and finish etc. > Price $78K. Managers of field really did not like > him to keep it at field > too much wings span. Have pic of it. It's a beauty. > jim wogaman > jwog1@copper.net > cleo :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Mims > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > > Look towards VW for the best diesel around for > aero > > conversion. The new line of TDi engines are your > best > > bet. > > > > > > --- jim wogaman wrote: > > > Netters: There are weight saving economies to > small > > > diesels, but with all the other choices of > engines > > > for KRs, it seems diesels would be more > difficult to > > > acquire. The USA is not a small diesel engine > using > > > country. western Europe, asian area etc. a > person > > > could find many, many diesels. If you want > reduce > > > lbs on liquid cooled engines make radiators from > > > aluminum AC coils/coolers. Use epoxy/glass for > > > intakes etc. They will breathe better and be > much > > > lighter. We made an intake for a Prelude engine > and > > > a big subaru engine. jim wogaman > > > jwog1@copper.net > > > cleo :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Chris Pappas > > > To: jwog1@copper.net > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > > > > > > > Only one problem with diesel,even if clean at > > > take-off at elevation condensation can > contaminate > > > the fuel.If you think gas is sensitive to water > see > > > what happens when it get in diesel fuel! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Pappas > > > >From: "jim wogaman" > > > >To: "gleone" > > > >CC: "hennie van `rooyan" > > > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:49:45 -0400 > > > > > > > >Gene you Wyoming cowpoke: You are correct on > all > > > counts! but, did you know > > > >that a Stinson was the 1st American plane to > run > > > a diesel and that Vauxhall > > > >makes a 1.8 lt. auto diesel engine used that > was > > > put in some type of home > > > >built. Article said it operated fine. You > take > > > care out there! Watch that > > > >coyote bait! jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net > > > >cleo :-) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: gleone > > > >To: jim wogaman > > > >Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:31 PM > > > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only one problem with diesels and > > > that is they are heavy, even > > > >the little engines. They have heavier crank > > > shafts and usually beefier > > > >connecting rods. On the other side, they have > > > torque from Hell, are fuel > > > >efficient, reliable beyond belief and easy to > > > maintain. My few pennies > > > >worth! Gene, Wyo > > > > > > > > > > jim wogaman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > cleo :-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Russell Dold > > > > > > To: jwog1@copper.net > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September RUSSELL DOLD: > > > >Thank you very much for the information. You > > > probably correct. > > > > > > diesel fuel is great stuff too bad we > have > > > disesl here as they do in > > > >Europe. Honda is now beginning to market > Civics > > > with diesel for the > > > >Europeian market. In Oh diesel fuel costs > more > > > than unleaded. Requires less > > > >to refine, big oil "has it's way" with us! > You > > > stay safe, healthy, free and > > > >etc. over there. jim wogaman jwog1@coppernet > > > > > > Subject: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > A long time ago I was slightly involved > in > > > marketing speciality > > > >lubricants, and I found out a little about > one of > > > the problems which can > > > >affect diesel fuel. Apparently there is a > > > particular bacteria that likes to > > > >live at the interface between the diesel fuel > and > > > any moisture. When > > > >conditions are exactly right these things > > > multiply at a frightening rate and > > > >clog up everything in sight - apparently > looks > > > like slime. Some of the fuel > > > >companies market what they call "fuel > > > conditioner" which helps the bulk > > > >suppliers to keep the problem at bay. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's my very uneducated guess that your > > > supplier has tanks which are > > > >contaminated with this, or at least have a > bit of > > > water in them. > > > > > > > > > > > > The crowd I was involved with was > > > Lubrication Engineers. There must be > > > >others. Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Russell Dold > > > > > > Germiston, South Africa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >To post to the list, email: > > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > >See the KRNet archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and > print > > > your photos: Click Here > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:21:30 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines reply Message-ID: <20020907232130.3272.qmail@web10808.mail.yahoo.com> --- jim wogaman wrote: > Mike & nettera: Don't know what a TDi engine is. A > man @ Don Scott field had > a German motor glider it had a what he called a > redesigned VW engine. He > said it came as original equipment with the glider. > Had many > design/engineering improvements. This was not a junk > unit. Had folding power > wings, beautiful leather-like seat covers fantastic > fit and finish etc. > Price $78K. Managers of field really did not like > him to keep it at field > too much wings span. Have pic of it. It's a beauty. > jim wogaman > jwog1@copper.net > cleo :-) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mike Mims > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:32 PM > Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > > Look towards VW for the best diesel around for > aero > > conversion. The new line of TDi engines are your > best > > bet. > > > > > > --- jim wogaman wrote: > > > Netters: There are weight saving economies to > small > > > diesels, but with all the other choices of > engines > > > for KRs, it seems diesels would be more > difficult to > > > acquire. The USA is not a small diesel engine > using > > > country. western Europe, asian area etc. a > person > > > could find many, many diesels. If you want > reduce > > > lbs on liquid cooled engines make radiators from > > > aluminum AC coils/coolers. Use epoxy/glass for > > > intakes etc. They will breathe better and be > much > > > lighter. We made an intake for a Prelude engine > and > > > a big subaru engine. jim wogaman > > > jwog1@copper.net > > > cleo :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Chris Pappas > > > To: jwog1@copper.net > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > > > > > > > Only one problem with diesel,even if clean at > > > take-off at elevation condensation can > contaminate > > > the fuel.If you think gas is sensitive to water > see > > > what happens when it get in diesel fuel! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chris Pappas > > > >From: "jim wogaman" > > > >To: "gleone" > > > >CC: "hennie van `rooyan" > > > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines > > > >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:49:45 -0400 > > > > > > > >Gene you Wyoming cowpoke: You are correct on > all > > > counts! but, did you know > > > >that a Stinson was the 1st American plane to > run > > > a diesel and that Vauxhall > > > >makes a 1.8 lt. auto diesel engine used that > was > > > put in some type of home > > > >built. Article said it operated fine. You > take > > > care out there! Watch that > > > >coyote bait! jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net > > > >cleo :-) > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > > >From: gleone > > > >To: jim wogaman > > > >Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:31 PM > > > >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is only one problem with diesels and > > > that is they are heavy, even > > > >the little engines. They have heavier crank > > > shafts and usually beefier > > > >connecting rods. On the other side, they have > > > torque from Hell, are fuel > > > >efficient, reliable beyond belief and easy to > > > maintain. My few pennies > > > >worth! Gene, Wyo > > > > > > > > > > jim wogaman wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > cleo :-) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Russell Dold > > > > > > To: jwog1@copper.net > > > > > > Sent: Friday, September RUSSELL DOLD: > > > >Thank you very much for the information. You > > > probably correct. > > > > > > diesel fuel is great stuff too bad we > have > > > disesl here as they do in > > > >Europe. Honda is now beginning to market > Civics > > > with diesel for the > > > >Europeian market. In Oh diesel fuel costs > more > > > than unleaded. Requires less > > > >to refine, big oil "has it's way" with us! > You > > > stay safe, healthy, free and > > > >etc. over there. jim wogaman jwog1@coppernet > > > > > > Subject: Diesel fuel > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > > > > > > > > > A long time ago I was slightly involved > in > > > marketing speciality > > > >lubricants, and I found out a little about > one of > > > the problems which can > > > >affect diesel fuel. Apparently there is a > > > particular bacteria that likes to > > > >live at the interface between the diesel fuel > and > > > any moisture. When > > > >conditions are exactly right these things > > > multiply at a frightening rate and > > > >clog up everything in sight - apparently > looks > > > like slime. Some of the fuel > > > >companies market what they call "fuel > > > conditioner" which helps the bulk > > > >suppliers to keep the problem at bay. > > > > > > > > > > > > It's my very uneducated guess that your > > > supplier has tanks which are > > > >contaminated with this, or at least have a > bit of > > > water in them. > > > > > > > > > > > > The crowd I was involved with was > > > Lubrication Engineers. There must be > > > >others. Hope this helps. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Russell Dold > > > > > > Germiston, South Africa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > >To post to the list, email: > > > krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > > > > > > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: > > > krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > > > >For additional commands, e-mail: > > > krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > > > > > > >See the KRNet archives at > > > http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > > > >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > > MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and > print > > > your photos: Click Here > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Mike Mims Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines reply Message-ID: <20020907232627.26975.qmail@web10805.mail.yahoo.com> Go to www.vw.com to learn all about it. Then go to http://www.dieselgeek.com/ to learn what you can do with them with just a tuning box. 200 foot pounds of torque at 2000rpm and over 140 hp at less than 4000 rpm. --- jim wogaman wrote: > Mike & nettera: Don't know what a TDi engine is. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 17:09:24 -0500 To: "KRnet" From: "Mark Langford" Subject: KRNetiquette Message-ID: <003801c256bb$3a3ca040$5600a8c0@athlon600> KRNetHeads, Regarding overseas ISP charges, I can offer that when I was in Wales a few years ago, the charges were something like a dollar a minute with the service I was using, and the modem connection was lucky to be 1200 bps at times! Those two factors meant that downloading even text-based email was an expensive proposition. We need to remember that everybody's not as lucky as us Americans when it comes to cheap Internet access. Due to popular demand, it's time for the usual comments. We have a few folks who feel compelled to comment on just about every post made, and I can only be thankful that all 650 of us don't do that, or we'd be wading through several thousand emails a day! Of course those that need to read this most will figure it's not meant for them, so I'd appreciate it if you'd all take another look at it. Some of the things below we are doing well at, but a few of us would do well to heed the following advice . 1) When replying to a post, delete everything but a few key sentences from the previous post. It's really ridiculous to have to search thru 3 or 4 pages of stuff to find down at the bottom where some clown wrote "me too". Carrying all that useless baggage around from previous posts also gives people fits when searching the archives later, as they end up getting 10 hits for the same message. 2} Conversely, at least put SOMETHING in the post to remind us what you're replying to. A post like "yeah, that's how I did mine and it works great" doesn't mean a thing if you don't know what the guy's talking about, so please cut and paste some of what you're replying to above your comments. 3) Carefully consider whether or not you need to reply to a post. Saying "me too", or "I don't know" doesn't contribute to the thread, it just makes the list more bothersome. If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should be listening, rather than talking. There are FEW people who know everything about everything. Try to stick to things you KNOW about, and let others answer the rest. 4) Try to write "keeper" posts if you're the expert on something. Cover the whole issue, answer all possible questions, address both sides of an issue, and make it a post that others will want to save or print out. Those are the gems that we all search for on KRNet. 5) Put your email address in your signature to make emailing others "offnet" easier. If we all had our addresses at the bottom of our posts, it would be far easier to "email direct". If it's blue just click on it, if it's not, cut it and paste it into the "To" box. 6) If you don't have anything subtantial to say, please don't post anything. This is a KR list, and as such, really needs to stay focused on KRs, or at least airplanes. With over 650 people on the list, if we all decided to say something every day we'd have a real problem. Ask yourself "do 650 people really need to see this, or are 650 people going to be annoyed by this?" Personally, my time is pretty precious to me, and I hate to waste it reading inane email. And is it something that you could find somewhere else? 7) Don't send enclosed files directly to the list. Either post it to a web site or get someone else to post it so others can see if they want, but don't have to if they don't. Also, enclosures are famous for carrying viruses, which we could all do without. I usually delete messages with enclosures immediately, unless I'm expecting something from that person. I don't have two days to rebuild my computer "for fun". 8) If you have something you want to share, specify that you want replies to go offline. It's nice to say "hey, I've got the holy grail on thingamajigs, anybody want it?", but when 15 people reply online that they want it it gets kinda painful wading thru all of those posts for nothing. A gentle reminder to "reply offline" and furnishing your email address will be a big help. 9) Do not advertise to this list. It's OK to let folks know there's a new service or a new business, but point them to web site. We don't need a bunch of advertising here. Personal testimonials as to a product's usefullness are welcome anytime, as long as it's not YOUR product. Selling KRs or parts is permissible anytime, however. 10) Try not to take things personally. We're all here to help each other. There are usually several ways to take comments. Always try to pick the "nicest" interpretation, rather than trying to read animousity into a post. It's a lot easier to just ignore a snide comment and let it slide. Try to avoid "having the last word". 11) It's OK to interject some personality into emails, just make a contribution while you're at it. I like to let other KRNetters know who I am and what my interests are, but I try to tack that sort of stuff to the bottom of a post in which I've made some sort of contribution to the cause. 12) Keep personal stuff offline. Finding that some other KRNetter is from your neck of the woods isn't a good enough reason to bother us all with your efforts to strike up an acquantance. Email him direct, rather than to the list. 13) Those who violate these suggestions may find themselves wondering why they don't get KRNet mail anymore... Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:54:29 -0400 To: "Mark Langford" From: "jim wogaman" Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" Subject: Re: KR> KRNetiquette Message-ID: <002f01c256da$ac2ec240$96491cd8@jeannielobell> langford @ netters: You are correct. The engine people and I can communicate off list. Perhaps his IPS can't filter text strings! jim wogaman cleo :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Langford To: KRnet Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:09 PM Subject: KR> KRNetiquette > > > KRNetHeads, > > Regarding overseas ISP charges, I can offer that when I was in Wales a few > years ago, the charges were something like a dollar a minute with the > service I was using, and the modem connection was lucky to be 1200 bps at > times! Those two factors meant that downloading even text-based email was > an expensive proposition. We need to remember that everybody's not as lucky > as us Americans when it comes to cheap Internet access. > > Due to popular demand, it's time for the usual comments. We have a few > folks who feel compelled to comment on just about every post made, and I can > only be thankful that all 650 of us don't do that, or we'd be wading through > several thousand emails a day! Of course those that need to > read this most will figure it's not meant for them, so I'd appreciate it if > you'd all take another look at it. Some of the things below we are doing > well at, but a few of us would do well to heed the following advice . > > 1) When replying to a post, delete everything but a few key sentences from > the previous post. It's really ridiculous to have to search thru 3 or 4 > pages of stuff to find down at the bottom where some clown wrote "me too". > Carrying all that useless baggage around from previous posts also gives > people fits when searching the archives later, as they end up getting 10 > hits for the same message. > > 2} Conversely, at least put SOMETHING in the post to remind us what you're > replying to. A post like "yeah, that's how I did mine and it works great" > doesn't mean a thing if you don't know what the guy's talking about, so > please cut and paste some of what you're replying to above your comments. > > 3) Carefully consider whether or not you need to reply to a post. Saying > "me too", or "I don't know" doesn't contribute to the thread, it just makes > the list more bothersome. If you don't know what you're talking about, > maybe > you should be listening, rather than talking. There are FEW people who know > everything about everything. Try to stick to things you KNOW about, and let > others answer the rest. > > 4) Try to write "keeper" posts if you're the expert on > something. Cover the whole issue, answer all possible questions, address > both sides of an issue, and make it a post that others will want to save or > print out. Those are the gems that we all search for on KRNet. > > 5) Put your email address in your signature to make emailing others > "offnet" easier. If we all had our addresses at the bottom of our posts, it > would be far easier to "email direct". If it's blue just click on it, if > it's not, cut it and paste it into the "To" box. > > 6) If you don't have anything subtantial to say, please don't post > anything. This is a KR list, and as such, really needs to stay focused on > KRs, or at least airplanes. With over 650 people on the list, if we all > decided to say something every day we'd have a real problem. Ask yourself > "do 650 people really need to see this, or are 650 people going to be > annoyed by this?" Personally, my time is pretty precious to me, and I hate > to waste it reading inane email. And is it something that you could find > somewhere else? > > 7) Don't send enclosed files directly to the list. Either post it to a web > site or get someone else to post it so others can see if they want, but > don't have to if they don't. Also, enclosures are famous for carrying > viruses, which we could all do without. I usually delete messages with > enclosures immediately, unless I'm expecting something from that person. I > don't have two days to rebuild my computer "for fun". > > 8) If you have something you want to share, specify that you want replies > to go offline. It's nice to say "hey, I've got the holy grail on > thingamajigs, anybody want it?", but when 15 people reply online that they > want it it gets kinda painful wading thru all of those posts for nothing. A > gentle reminder to "reply offline" and furnishing your email address will be > a big help. > > 9) Do not advertise to this list. It's OK to let folks know there's a new > service or a new business, but point them to web site. We don't need a > bunch of advertising here. Personal testimonials as to a product's > usefullness are welcome anytime, as long as it's not YOUR product. > Selling KRs or parts is permissible anytime, however. > > 10) Try not to take things personally. We're all here to help each other. > There are usually several ways to take comments. Always try to pick the > "nicest" interpretation, rather than trying to read animousity into a post. > It's a lot easier to just ignore a snide comment and let it slide. Try to > avoid "having the last word". > > 11) It's OK to interject some personality into emails, just make a > contribution while you're at it. I like to let other KRNetters know who I > am and what my interests are, but I try to tack that sort of stuff to the > bottom of a post in which I've made some sort of contribution to the > cause. > > 12) Keep personal stuff offline. Finding that some other KRNetter is from > your neck of the woods isn't a good enough reason to bother us all with your > efforts to strike up an acquantance. Email him direct, rather than to the > list. > > 13) Those who violate these suggestions may find themselves wondering why > they don't get KRNet mail anymore... > > Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama > mailto:langford@hiwaay.net > see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 18:22:31 -0700 To: From: "Stephen P. Glover" Subject: Ellison Carb and fuel pumps Message-ID: <002301c256d6$3404e000$c18afea9@IntelliSpec> ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2569B.8778DD80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello KR Guru's, Can anyone with experience regarding the Ellison carb advise me if a = fuel pump IS required, or will gravity feed with reasonable head = pressure be sufficient? I am switching from a POSA carb but will have = to change a few things to make it work if I need to add the fuel pump. Thanks for the assistance! Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. N925SG@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C2569B.8778DD80-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 20:00:53 -0700 To: "Stephen P. Glover" , From: "bstarrs" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison Carb and fuel pumps Message-ID: <003c01c256e3$f8f70b60$9200a8c0@bstarrs> I had an Ellison and it did not require a fuel pump, but there may be different types that do. I would write to the mfg. and ask them. Bill Starrs ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen P. Glover" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: KR> Ellison Carb and fuel pumps Hello KR Guru's, Can anyone with experience regarding the Ellison carb advise me if a fuel pump IS required, or will gravity feed with reasonable head pressure be sufficient? I am switching from a POSA carb but will have to change a few things to make it work if I need to add the fuel pump. Thanks for the assistance! Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. N925SG@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:46:51 -0700 To: From: "jim @ synergy design" Subject: canopy/gathering Message-ID: <005501c256f2$c1006c60$0101a8c0@pavilion> ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C256B8.1328B000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What ever happened to the group purchase of the canopies? Is anyone = from Colorado area going to gathering?(or someone driving through). = Thanks, Jim Sporka Kr2-s and Corvair engine collecting dust. ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01C256B8.1328B000-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************