From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 10 Sep 2002 04:05:14 -0000 Issue 514 Date: Monday, September 09, 2002 9:06 PM krnet Digest 10 Sep 2002 04:05:14 -0000 Issue 514 Topics (messages 12446 through 12470): Re: canopy/gathering 12446 by: Edwin Blocher 12450 by: Leigh Plymale Re: Ellison Carb and fuel pumps 12447 by: Buddy & Cheryl 12448 by: Daniel Heath 12467 by: Ross Youngblood when is red oak 12449 by: RJMOTLF.aol.com 12451 by: Mark Langford Re: cub copy & plans source: REPLY 12452 by: jim wogaman canopy 12453 by: jim wogaman canopies 12454 by: jim wogaman Fiberglass & composite materials data --Title 12455 by: jim wogaman Title-- Fiber Glass & Composite Materials 12456 by: jim wogaman 12458 by: norm-ruth 12463 by: norm-ruth Re: KR Issues - Engines and aspect ratio 12457 by: Serge F. VIDAL Re: Diesel engines reply 12459 by: Serge F. VIDAL Barnes & Noble.com - Sign In 12460 by: norm-ruth EAA Fly In at Petersburg ( PTB ) 12461 by: Kenneth L Wiltrout Plans for Cub replicas, etc. 12462 by: Tracy & Carol O'Brien decisions 12464 by: dwalker460.comcast.net KR Mail Archive Search Engine - Down 12465 by: Larry A. Capps spin recovery 12466 by: Brian Kraut Dimpled Tape? 12468 by: Mark Jones KR T-shirts 12469 by: Mark Jones Re: KR Issues 12470 by: van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02) Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 22:56:15 -0500 To: "jim @ synergy design" , From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: Re: KR> canopy/gathering Message-ID: <003101c256eb$af830da0$899131cc@cyou.com> Todd at Todd's Canopys should have the tooling done and prototype made and sent to me for a trial fit on my fuselage within the next two weeks. Tooling took longer than expected. As soon as this happens I will get a picture posted to the net. ED Ed Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, Florida ----- Original Message ----- From: "jim @ synergy design" To: Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: KR> canopy/gathering What ever happened to the group purchase of the canopies? Is anyone from Colorado area going to gathering?(or someone driving through). Thanks, Jim Sporka Kr2-s and Corvair engine collecting dust. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:57:58 -0400 To: From: "Leigh Plymale" Subject: Re: KR> canopy/gathering Message-ID: <000f01c2573f$bd34b760$1b853518@chvlva.adelphia.net> Ed, Will you send me some info about Todd's Canopies? I hope to find one that is a little wider than the KR calls for as I want to widen the fuse a bit to accomodate 5'-10", 180 lb adults. In fact, can anyone provide information good or bad about building a KR to accomodate this size of occupants? Leigh flyboy232@adelphia.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edwin Blocher" To: "jim @ synergy design" ; Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:56 PM Subject: Re: KR> canopy/gathering > Todd at Todd's Canopys should have the tooling done and prototype made and > sent to me for a trial fit on my fuselage within the next two weeks. Tooling > took longer than expected. As soon as this happens I will get a picture > posted to the net. > ED > Ed Blocher > Santa Rosa Beach, Florida > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jim @ synergy design" > To: > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 11:46 PM > Subject: KR> canopy/gathering > > > What ever happened to the group purchase of the canopies? Is anyone from > Colorado area going to gathering?(or someone driving through). Thanks, Jim > Sporka Kr2-s and Corvair engine collecting dust. > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Sep 2002 21:32:51 -0700 To: From: "Buddy & Cheryl" Subject: Re: KR> Ellison Carb and fuel pumps Message-ID: <003701c256f0$cb5b6720$1e02a8c0@WorkGroup> ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C256B6.1E8EB220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve, There is quite a bit of information on their web site. They are located = just south of us in Renton, WA. www.ellison-fluid-systems.com/ Bud Midkiff c.midkiff@verizon.net Lynnwood, WA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Stephen P. Glover=20 To: krnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:22 PM Subject: KR> Ellison Carb and fuel pumps Hello KR Guru's, Can anyone with experience regarding the Ellison carb advise me if a = fuel pump IS required, or will gravity feed with reasonable head = pressure be sufficient? I am switching from a POSA carb but will have = to change a few things to make it work if I need to add the fuel pump. Thanks for the assistance! Regards, Steve Glover Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. N925SG@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_0034_01C256B6.1E8EB220-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 05:28:41 -0700 To: From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: KR> Ellison Carb and fuel pumps Message-ID: I cannot claim to be a GURU on this subject, just experienced. I switched my 1835VW to an Ellison and installed a Facet fuel pump as directed. I can only claim to have never had any problems with the system and in tests on the ground, the engine would run properly with the pump turned off. It has been too many years for me to give you any more specifics than that. You should conduct your own tests to be sure how it works in your configuration. See you in Red Oak. Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.381 / Virus Database: 214 - Release Date: 8/2/2002 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 18:57:45 -0700 To: "Stephen P. Glover" , krnet@mailinglists.org, "bstarrs" From: Ross Youngblood Subject: Re: KR> Ellison Carb and fuel pumps Message-Id: Steve, I have an Ellison. On the ground and during static tests it runs fine on Gravity feed from the header tank. I have 3/8" fuel line. From the wing tanks I have fuel pumps, so I am not dependant on gravity feed for take-off and landings. If you call Ellison they will most likely recommend a fuel pump. The Ellison requires a minimum amount of fuel pressure to run. On my header, I placed the vent into the slipstream so that it would pressurize the tank somewhat. However none of this has test flown, with my luck, the tank might end up getting vacuumed by this approach. The Ellison EFS-2 manual is available on the web at the Ellison web site as a .pdf document. It has the recommended fuel head pressure listed. I took extensive fuel pressure measurements last December and jotted them down, but my construction log is in a box somewhere... a casualty of the move back to Oregon. -- Ross 9/7/2002 8:00:53 PM, "bstarrs" wrote: >I had an Ellison and it did not require a fuel pump, but there may be >different types that do. I would write to the mfg. and ask them. Bill Starrs >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Stephen P. Glover" >To: >Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:22 PM >Subject: KR> Ellison Carb and fuel pumps > > >Hello KR Guru's, > >Can anyone with experience regarding the Ellison carb advise me if a fuel >pump IS required, or will gravity feed with reasonable head pressure be >sufficient? I am switching from a POSA carb but will have to change a few >things to make it work if I need to add the fuel pump. > >Thanks for the assistance! > >Regards, > >Steve Glover >Rancho Santa Margarita, Ca. >N925SG@earthlink.net > > > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" > >To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org >For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org > >See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp >or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files > > Ross Youngblood http://N541RY.com mailto:rossy65@attbi.com (Home) mailto:ross_youngblood@credence.com (Work) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 07:13:34 EDT To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: RJMOTLF@aol.com Subject: when is red oak Message-ID: <159.13c44cec.2aac8ade@aol.com> 
which week end this or next thanks ralph kr2 N23CM

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 09:03:49 -0500
To: 
From: "Mark Langford" 
Subject: Re: KR> when is red oak
Message-ID: <000b01c25740$8e9b48a0$0100a8c0@TD310>

ralph wrote:

>which week end this or next thanks

Sept 19-22.  See http://www.krgathering.org/ for all the details, and we'll
see you there...

Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama
mailto:langford@hiwaay.net
see KR2S N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 13:33:54 -0400
To: "jim @ synergy design" 
From: "jim wogaman" 
Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" 
Subject: Re: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source: REPLY
Message-ID: <001901c2575d$e84b01c0$56c429d1@jeannielobell>

Jim & netters: What would be the estimated build cost & time on a Cub copy?
Is it the tube & fabric concept? fold-wings? For those KR people that want
more speed they could install a small Allison turbine probably < 200 lbs.
There's one on the web. sleek looker too. Owner said it drinks fuel, plus
not many uncontrolled strips have fuel required. The experts @ Columbus
State aircraft tech department tell me turbine's can make the aircraft,
providing design is correct, move fast because of high power and greater
thrust but consume much fuel. Mountains W. of Denver, to me are very big,
high and demanding on a vehicle. Been to Golden many times. From there on
it's really steep and seems endless. Everything is so vast out there,
Jefferson County seems to be as big as 1/5 of Ohio! jim
cleo :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: jim @ synergy design 
To: jim wogaman 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source: REPLY

> Hi Jim, Just wondering if you were heading to the gathering?..  On the
> Diesel engines... They tend to be heavier due to the extra strength
required
> for the higher cylinder pressures.  I remember hearing about a 2 stroke
> Diesel years ago,(possibly air cooled? but I would doubt it)( they also
run
> slower rpm's. you would have to use a psru to INCREASE the rpm at prop.
also
> 2 strokes need to have higher rpm's to work correctly if I remember
> correctly from my Bike days.) but have not seen or heard anything since.It
> probably didn't work.   From what I've seen and heard ,the V.W. turbo
Diesel
> is state of the art in small Diesels. I know a guy that has a TD bug, says
> he drive into the mountains west of Denver at 65 -70 mph with cruise
control
> on  in overdrive(automatic) and it never has to down shift!       See Ya,
> Jim
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jim wogaman" 
> To: "jim @ synergy design" 
> Cc: "hennie van `rooyan" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 6:54 AM
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source: REPLY
>
>
> > netters: Thanks for info on planes. I will abort the thoughts. I'd like
to
> > think about doing a Stinson. My friend that does my AC has 2 the lucky
> guy,
> > they are a fabulous plane. My cousin had one back in the late 30 early
> 40s.
> > Those USMC days are gone forever. Probably just as well had many head
> > problems after that. Ears, hands & back are gone. but, I'm here for now.
> Now
> > you know I am a geezer! Jim Sporka, I know your dad was a special
person.
> > Just think about what he did and compare it to the population of 20-29
> year
> > olds now. Make you want to puke!  jim wogaman    jwog1@copper.net
> > cleo :-)
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jim @ synergy design 
> > To: jim wogaman 
> > Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 12:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source
> >
> >
> > > Jim, Due to the laws of physics, model airplane plans will not
properly
> > > scale up directly. It was explained to me years ago ,but forgot most
of
> > the
> > > details why.  Wag-Aero makes OUTSTANDING plans for cub replicas(full
> > size),
> > > as well as their version of a piper Vagabond. The plans also have an
> > > available suppliment for the military version, as well as a clipped
wing
> > > aerobatic version. I have a set and the military mod drawings. All
first
> > > class. I think they were about $70.00 plus a little extra for the
> > > suppliment. They also sell components for a genuine cub, as well as
> their
> > > own version.  Check out their web -site.   Good Luck, Jim Sporka
> P.S.
> > If
> > > i read your post correctly, you were a Marine in Korea? So was my
> > > father. ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "jim wogaman" 
> > > To: "hennie van `rooyan" 
> > > Cc: "Bruce Watkins" <5151flyer@charter.net>
> > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:19 PM
> > > Subject: KR> Re: cub copy & plans source
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > cleo :-)
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: jim wogaman 
> > > > To: Bruce Watkins <5151flyer@charter.net>
> > > > Cc: 
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 6:04 PM
> > > > Subject: cub copy & plans source
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > B.W. & netters: Until the late 50s a company named Cleveland
Models
> > > built
> > > > &
> > > > > sold balsa stick models of very precise quality. These were rather
> > large
> > > > > models and accurate of scale. The company was in the Cleveland, OH
> > area.
> > > > EAA
> > > > > members told me their plans were adequate for home builders to
> follow
> > to
> > > > > make copies of planes. Would anyone know of anyone that would have
> > > access
> > > > to
> > > > > any of these old model plane? Perhaps they would allow me to copy
> the
> > > > > planes. I would post a surety deposit to cover the loan of the
> planes.
> > > > Thank
> > > > > you. jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net
> > > > > cleo :-)
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Bruce Watkins <5151flyer@charter.net>
> > > > > To: jim wogaman 
> > > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 5:43 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: KR> Continental A-65 exhaust wanted REPLY
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jim, yes I have a 5151. I have built THREE 5151's but this is
the
> > > last!
> > > > > > Mush larger than a KR-1 also sloooooooooower but they are
> guarantee
> > to
> > > > > > absolutely turn heads at any airport!
> > > > > > Here are a few pictures of my 5151.
> > > > > > enjoy,.
> > > > > > Bruce
> > > > > > btw, I am using the A-65 in a full size Super Cub replica
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "jim wogaman" 
> > > > > > To: "Bruce Watkins" <5151flyer@charter.net>
> > > > > > Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 10:00 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: KR> Continental A-65 exhaust wanted REPLY
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bruce Watkins: Do you have a 5151 plane? Did you build it? Is
it
> > > near
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > same size as an KR1? A man from Westerville, OH built a .60%
> f51.
> > > Had
> > > > a
> > > > > > > 400HP Ranger engine, retractable gear from some piper plane,
He
> > told
> > > > me
> > > > > he
> > > > > > > quit recording work hours @ 8,500. It was beautiful. My older
> > > brother
> > > > > flew
> > > > > > > those in WWII. Loved them. They have a magic look to them.
> > Designed
> > > in
> > > > 6
> > > > > > > days. That's the story. Were build here in CMH on E. 5th
avenue.
> > > plant
> > > > > > > employed 13K people. Tell me about your plane. Thanks jim
> wogaman
> > > > > > > jwog1@copper.net
> > > > > > > cleo :-)
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: Bruce Watkins <5151flyer@charter.net>
> > > > > > > To: 
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:49 PM
> > > > > > > Subject: KR> Continental A-65 exhaust wanted
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello All,
> > > > > > > I'm looking for the exhaust system for a Continental A-65. If
> you
> > > are
> > > > > > > constantly tripping over this setup while working on your KR
and
> > > need
> > > > to
> > > > > > > find it a home please contact me.
> > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > Bruce Watkins
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bruce Watkins
> > > > > > > 5151flyer@charter.net
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"
> > > >
> > > > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org
> > > >
> > > > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> > > > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all"
> >
> > To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org
> >
> > See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp
> > or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files
> >
> >
>

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 14:22:05 -0400
To: "hennie van `rooyan" 
From: "jim wogaman" 
Subject: canopy
Message-ID: <004801c25764$a35e2f40$56c429d1@jeannielobell>

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netters & canopy seekers: In the early 90s there was a magazine article =
in either Kit planes or the EAA monthly publication about a company in =
Fairborn, OH that made custom canopies. In this article they had photos =
of their ovens, molds, processes etc. If anyone wants me to search for =
their FAX, Tel # etc. I'll do it. At the time I read this article, they =
were building a 4 place low wing, tri gear glass plane, expensive =
looking unit. So they probably can relate to builders well.   jim =
wogaman        jwog1@copper.net
cleo :-)

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 15:50:14 -0400
To: "hennie van `rooyan" 
From: "jim wogaman" 
Subject: canopies
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Found canopy, windows & windshield provider. From kit planes Feb. 1998. =
Airplane Plastics Co., 8300 Dayton Rd., Fairborn, OH 45324. 937.864.5607 =
They warranty their products! If you get to this area a visit to the =
Airforce Mesuem is a must. Probably the finest display of restored =
military/civilian aircraft on the planet. Mostly military. jim wogaman  =
jwog1@copper.net
cleo :-)

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:00:13 -0400
To: "hennie van `rooyan" 
From: "jim wogaman" 
Subject: Fiberglass & composite materials data --Title
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Netter: Found a fine old book in my library: HP Books published by =
Berkley Publishing Group, 200 Madaison Ave., N. Y., New York, 10016 My =
issue is 1996 vintage
ISBM 1 55788-2398, My notes covers auto, boat use only. Can certaily be =
applied to aircraft.
For the good people down under, did not mention fuel oil powered motors =
or PRDs  That ungly German word.    jim wogaman   jwog1@copper.net=20
cleo :-)

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 16:14:01 -0400
To: "hennie van `rooyan" 
From: "jim wogaman" 
Subject: Title-- Fiber Glass & Composite Materials
Message-ID: <002d01c25774$46f3c980$6ec429d1@jeannielobell>

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Netters: Since this may not be available, I can scan the very well done =
bibliography and post it if anyone is interested. THis is a quality =
work. It covers NASCAR bodies, sea going racing yatchs etc. Even has a =
brief note on VariEze aircraft. It is a process oriented book with =
directions on all type of mold construction, applying epoxies, fillers =
etc. You may be able to find this in a well stocked public, college, =
technical school, library. It has 168 pages Written by Forbes Aird, a =
canadian.   jim wogaman   jwog1@copper.net=20
cleo :-)

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:38:48 -0700
To: "krnet" 
From: "norm-ruth" 
Subject: Fw: KR> Title-- Fiber Glass & Composite Materials
Message-ID: <002501c25799$49d36a00$ce563b41@pavilion>

Barnes & Noble $16.95 in stock       Norm Seel  norm-ruth@prodigy.net
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?btob=Y&isbn=1557
882398

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim wogaman" 
To: "hennie van `rooyan" 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:14 PM
Subject: KR> Title-- Fiber Glass & Composite Materials

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 21:48:44 -0700
To: "krnet" 
From: "norm-ruth" 
Subject: Fw: KR> Title-- Fiber Glass & Composite Materials
Message-ID: <001a01c257bc$3441f080$49c53a41@pavilion>

Sorry-   Name of book:  Fiber glass and Composit Materials by Forbes D.
Aird.  I went right to it on Google.   Norm

----- Original Message -----
From: "jim wogaman" 
To: "hennie van `rooyan" 
Sent: Sunday, September 08, 2002 1:14 PM
Subject: KR> Title-- Fiber Glass & Composite Materials

Netters: Since this may not be available, I can scan the very well done
bibliography and post it if anyone is interested. THis is a quality work. It
covers NASCAR bodies, sea going racing yatchs etc. Even has a brief note on
VariEze aircraft. It is a process oriented book with directions on all type
of mold construction, applying epoxies, fillers etc. You may be able to find
this in a well stocked public, college, technical school, library. It has
168 pages Written by Forbes Aird, a canadian.   jim wogaman
jwog1@copper.net
cleo :-)

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:18:49 +0200
To: 
From: "Serge F. VIDAL" 
Subject: Fw: KR> KR Issues - Engines and aspect ratio
Message-ID: <017801c2577d$68b64760$cb0127c4@co.za>

----- Original Message -----
From: Serge F. VIDAL 
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: KR> KR Issues - Engines and aspect ratio

> RV said:
> Aspect ration = ration of wing area in relation to a/c weight.
>
> No, that is called the wing loading. The aspect ratio of a wing is the
ratio
> of the length or span
> of a wing, to the average width of the wing.
>
> Aspect ratio tells the difference between a long wing (Say, a gliderwing:
> high aspect ratio;) and a short one
>  (say, a KR2: low aspect ratio)
>
> As far the Subaru is concerned, make no mistake: I strongly advocate
> automotive engines, and I'm the first one to complain about aviation being
> stuck with outdated engine technologies. If the price is what you say, and
> considering that many have been made already, it sounds like a good
option.
> Maybe you could tell us what is special about the Subaru exactly, I mean,
> why is it better than other automotive engines.
>
> RV said:
>
> > I disagree with most of your comebacks, but I kind of like the idea of
> > putting electronic ignition on a VW,
>
> I think the worst thing you can use for ignition is magnetos. If they
> completely disappeared from the car world, there are good reasons for
that.
> Motorcycle solid state electronic ignitions like the ones I'm flying with
> give me much, much more confidence.
>
> RV said:
>
> (even though everyone else keeps talking
> > about how the blocks are always cracking).
>
> There are two good reasons for these cracks: first, the engine blocks we
use
> are old. Second, the conversions generally involve a power increase.
Third,
> most VW users use Tipe 1, 2 or 3 engines, which are magnesium alloy, and
> therefore prone to crack. I also fear cracks, and that's why I would not
> consider using anything else than the Type 4, which is cast aluminium, and
> is known to be very, very sturdy.
>
> Serge VIDAL
> KR2 ZS-WEC
> Johannesburg, South Africa
>

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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 23:35:58 +0200
To: 
From: "Serge F. VIDAL" 
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines reply
Message-ID: <032601c25780$55140140$cb0127c4@co.za>

Gliding is a German sport. If you want to meet the German community anywhere
in the world, go to the glider base. This dates back to between WWI and
WWII, when they needed to dodge the Versailles treaty.

Anyway, many motorgliders use a VW engine, converted to aircraft use by
Limbach, Germany. There is a good chance that that's what you saw.

Serge Vidal
KR2 ZS-WEC
Johannesburg, South Africa

----- Original Message -----
From: jim wogaman 
To: Mike Mims 
Cc: hennie van `rooyan 
Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines reply

> Mike & nettera: Don't know what a TDi engine is. A man @ Don Scott field
had
> a German motor glider it had a what he called a redesigned VW engine. He
> said it came as original equipment with the glider. Had many
> design/engineering improvements. This was not a junk unit. Had folding
power
> wings, beautiful leather-like seat covers fantastic fit and finish etc.
> Price $78K. Managers of field really did not like him to keep it at field
> too much  wings span. Have pic of it. It's a beauty.  jim wogaman
> jwog1@copper.net
> cleo :-)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Mims 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 07, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines
>
>
> > Look towards VW for the best diesel around for aero
> > conversion. The new line of TDi engines are your best
> > bet.
> >
> >
> > --- jim wogaman  wrote:
> > > Netters: There are weight saving economies to small
> > > diesels, but with all the other choices of engines
> > > for KRs, it seems diesels would be more difficult to
> > > acquire. The USA is not a small diesel engine using
> > > country. western Europe, asian area etc. a person
> > > could find many, many diesels. If you want reduce
> > > lbs on liquid cooled engines make radiators from
> > > aluminum AC coils/coolers. Use epoxy/glass for
> > > intakes etc. They will breathe better and be much
> > > lighter. We made an intake for a Prelude engine and
> > > a big subaru engine. jim wogaman
> > > jwog1@copper.net
> > > cleo :-)
> > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > >   From: Chris Pappas
> > >   To: jwog1@copper.net
> > >   Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:16 PM
> > >   Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines
> > >
> > >
> > >   Only one problem with diesel,even if clean at
> > > take-off at elevation condensation can contaminate
> > > the fuel.If you think gas is sensitive to water see
> > > what happens when it get in diesel fuel!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     Chris Pappas
> > >   >From: "jim wogaman"
> > >   >To: "gleone"
> > >   >CC: "hennie van `rooyan"
> > >   >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel engines
> > >   >Date: Fri, 6 Sep 2002 14:49:45 -0400
> > >   >
> > >   >Gene you Wyoming cowpoke: You are correct on all
> > > counts! but, did you know
> > >   >that a Stinson was the 1st American plane to run
> > > a diesel and that Vauxhall
> > >   >makes a 1.8 lt. auto diesel engine used that was
> > > put in some type of home
> > >   >built. Article said it operated fine. You take
> > > care out there! Watch that
> > >   >coyote bait! jim wogaman jwog1@copper.net
> > >   >cleo :-)
> > >   >----- Original Message -----
> > >   >From: gleone
> > >   >To: jim wogaman
> > >   >Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 12:31 PM
> > >   >Subject: Re: KR> Re: Diesel fuel
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > > There is only one problem with diesels and
> > > that is they are heavy, even
> > >   >the little engines. They have heavier crank
> > > shafts and usually beefier
> > >   >connecting rods. On the other side, they have
> > > torque from Hell, are fuel
> > >   >efficient, reliable beyond belief and easy to
> > > maintain. My few pennies
> > >   >worth! Gene, Wyo
> > >   > >
> > >   > > jim wogaman wrote:
> > >   > >
> > >   > > > cleo :-)
> > >   > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >   > > > From: Russell Dold
> > >   > > > To: jwog1@copper.net
> > >   > > > Sent: Friday, September RUSSELL DOLD:
> > >   >Thank you very much for the information. You
> > > probably correct.
> > >   > > > diesel fuel is great stuff too bad we have
> > > disesl here as they do in
> > >   >Europe. Honda is now beginning to market Civics
> > > with diesel for the
> > >   >Europeian market. In Oh diesel fuel costs more
> > > than unleaded. Requires less
> > >   >to refine, big oil "has it's way" with us! You
> > > stay safe, healthy, free and
> > >   >etc. over there. jim wogaman jwog1@coppernet
> > >   > > > Subject: Diesel fuel
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > Jim,
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > A long time ago I was slightly involved in
> > > marketing speciality
> > >   >lubricants, and I found out a little about one of
> > > the problems which can
> > >   >affect diesel fuel. Apparently there is a
> > > particular bacteria that likes to
> > >   >live at the interface between the diesel fuel and
> > > any moisture. When
> > >   >conditions are exactly right these things
> > > multiply at a frightening rate and
> > >   >clog up everything in sight - apparently looks
> > > like slime. Some of the fuel
> > >   >companies market what they call "fuel
> > > conditioner" which helps the bulk
> > >   >suppliers to keep the problem at bay.
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > It's my very uneducated guess that your
> > > supplier has tanks which are
> > >   >contaminated with this, or at least have a bit of
> > > water in them.
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > The crowd I was involved with was
> > > Lubrication Engineers. There must be
> > >   >others. Hope this helps.
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > Regards
> > >   > > >
> > >   > > > Russell Dold
> > >   > > > Germiston, South Africa
> > >   > >
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 17:44:50 -0700
To: "krnet" 
From: "norm-ruth" 
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Date: Sun, 8 Sep 2002 20:20:34 -0400
To: krnet@mailinglists.org
From: Kenneth L Wiltrout 
Subject: EAA Fly In at Petersburg ( PTB )
Message-ID: <20020908.202035.-369163.0.klw1953@juno.com>

I just returned from the fly in approx 30 miles south of Richmond, Va.
Had a good time, met Don Reid and lots of other enthusiasts. The ride
down was beautiful, crystal clear and calm. The ride home was a different
story, we were socked in till 10 am or so, after departing and climbing
through a hole in the clouds I had a calm ride at 3500 ft to Bay Bridge.
After fueling up and taxing to the active the plane started shaking like
hell---------------yes I had a flat on the LS main gear. Well after
catching a ride to a Western Auto and finding a tube I split the rim and
installed it. The fellow at the FBO was really great, he did what he
could to help out. Jack Cox who is a reporter interviewed me and took
many photos of my 2S. He was a personal friend of Ken Rand and still is a
good friend of Jeanette's. Any how it was fun!!!!! First long in haul in
6399U. 

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Date: Sun, 08 Sep 2002 18:10:12 -0700
To: 
Subject: Plans for Cub replicas, etc.
Message-Id: <3.0.3.32.20020908181012.0082e870@localaccess.com>

Netters:

I tried to reply to this the other day but it didn't go through.

Light Miniature Aircraft (www.lightminiatureaircraft.com) 803-894-7256
offers plans for 3/4, 7/8 & full scale Cubs, Champs and T-craft.

These plans are for wood/fabric and aluminum frame/fabric construction and
were originally developed from large scale model plans. They are proven
designs and would save a bunch of time and nerves over adapting a set of
model plans yourself.

The Cub and Vagabond plans offered by Wag-Aero are a real bargain. The
detail is excellent and the construction looks to be quite original. I have
an unused set of both the Wag-A-Bond (Vagabond) and Sport Trainer (Cub)
plans available for $50.00 each. If anyone is interested, e-mail me off line. 

Regards,

Tracy O'Brien
tracy@localaccess.com

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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 13:27:13 -0500
To: krnet@mailinglists.org
From: dwalker460@comcast.net
Subject: decisions
Message-id: <002e01c2582e$84744ef0$186c3444@cc2360440a>

First a short introduction- I am trying to decide on a design to build- and
have narrowed the choices between the kr-2s and the e-racer- vastly
different designs but similar build methods and for my purposes- usefulness.
I am by trade a professional racing technician- literally using most of the
skills to build a plane in my everyday life- including MIG/TIG welding,
composites and sheetmetal fabrication, engine building, electronics, etc.
What i want is a small plane capable of long range- say from TN to NY, or TN
to CA with a modicum of comfort and an eye towards speed and economy. i know
both planes have and are serving this purpose, and the choice is not an easy
one. I am choosing auto engine power as these are what i am familiar with,
and feel comfortable working with. My Questions are these:

1) How does the kr2s perform as a semi-rough wheather flier- not that i will
be flying in gale force winds but i am certain i will have occasion to fly
in rain and wind conditions.
2) Would love some opinions/experiences on the most reasonable/least
expensive IFR panel outfitting, as well as any sources for servicable
used/reconditioned avionics.
3) has anyone flown both a canard such as an e-racer and a kr2/s and would
be willing to offer a comparison between the two?

My current thoughts as to a kr2s are a 2.5 type4 with turbo and intercooler,
programable engine management with in-cabin mixture and timing controls,
basic IFR panel supplemented by a handheld gps.

Thoughts as to an e-racer are a nissan turbo/intercooled v-6, same engine
management (im a dealer for them), same basic IFR panel..

Im not in  a particular hurry, as my brother and i are considering a Cub
replica as a shared project, and that would be completed first, then on to
my project.

thanks for any opinions
Don

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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 13:44:12 -0500
To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" 
From: "Larry A. Capps" 
Subject: KR Mail Archive Search Engine - Down
Message-ID: <000201c25830$e3d5f680$0200a8c0@schpankme>

KRNet,

Sorry for the inconvenience, the machine that runs the "KR Mail Archive
Search Engine" died last night; It appears to be a bad CPU.  It will be a
few days before the problem is fixed, no information will be lost.

I'll let you know when it's going again.

Best Regards,

Larry A. Capps
KR Newsletter
Naperville, IL

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Date: Mon, 09 Sep 2002 20:52:47 -0400
To: krnet 
From: Brian Kraut 
Subject: spin recovery
Message-ID: <3D7D425F.4090405@earthlink.net>

I was talking to another KR owner a few weeks ago.  He told me that he 
accidently got into a spin one time and he lost about 4,000 feet trying 
to get out of it and nothing was working.  He finally leaned as far 
forward as he could and that brought him out.  He was low on fuel and 
therefore near the aft CG limit so leaning forward apparently moved his 
CG far enough forward to save his life.  I will keep this one in the 
back of my head.

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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:28:41 -0500
To: "KR-Net" 
From: "Mark Jones" 
Subject: Dimpled Tape?
Message-ID: <008d01c25871$c7648e80$c5991f41@wi.rr.com>

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In September issue of "Experimenter", there is an article titled "A =
Hombuilder's Delight". This article is about Jerry Lucke's Celebrity. In =
the article he mentions a friend of his installed Golf Ball Dimpled Tape =
to the leading edge of his KR2 propeller and realized an increase of =
75-100 rpm. Jerry stated he did the same to his Celebrity and also =
achieved the same results. Thanks Jerry for giving the KR2 some more =
exposure.

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA=20
E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at  =20
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 21:40:27 -0500
To: "KR-Net" 
From: "Mark Jones" 
Subject: KR T-shirts
Message-ID: <009901c25873$6c02c780$c5991f41@wi.rr.com>

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Here is a link to the t-shirt guys who were at EAA Oshkosh. I bought a =
KR-2S shirt from them. Very high quality.....just thought you guys may =
be interested.=20
http://www.airplanetshirts.com/homebuilts.htm

Mark Jones (N886MJ)
Wales, WI  USA=20
E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com
Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at  =20
http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html

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Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2002 22:57:27 -0500 
To: "'krnet@mailinglists.org'" 
From: "van Rooyen, Hennie(SF02)" 
Subject: FW: KR> KR Issues

Hi Jim & all,

This weekend, at a fly-in, I saw a KIS with a 6 cylinder Jabiru engine.
Owner says it delivers 120 HP horses at sea level. Boy, was that aircraft
fast! I've seen numerous KR2's in high speed fly passes, but this guy was
doing regular overhead fly by's (not the diving types) at speeds I've never
seen for any KR's before. I now realize why some of you are going for the
Corvair!

The point I'm making, if 120 HP is so fast on a square wing, imagine what it
would do for the KR series? I really, really hope that this kind of HP can
be had from a type IV VW engine as stated on the various sites in question. 

There were several gyros at this same fly-in equipped with the turbo Rotax
514's. Owners said those engines (without the airframe) now costs more than
R200 000 over here! (yes, two hundred thousand rand...)

There were also several motorized gliders, both single and two seaters
equipped with 1700 and 1800 VW engines - owners stated good performance,
even with two aboard and our close to 5000ft altitude. This shows what a
little more wing would do for you. What puzzled me was that on some of them
the oil cooler was completely removed and yet the owners stated a cruising
oil temp of far below the norm - they say they never see high oil temps at
all. Must be because of the low Hp output...

Enough babbling and on to building. Modifying my wing spars took much longer
than anticipated. I should have followed Mark's advice and build them anew -
but, now they're done, not too heavy and have much, much more meat than the
standard KR spars. I'll use the front spar wing attach fittings for the rear
spars and some wider and longer brackets for the front with some thicker
bolts through the wood. Should be able to post some pics of this arrangement
by either this or the following weekend. Saw some AMAZING flaps on the BAMBI
motorized glider over the weekend - owner stated that they were a tad too
effective and he was going to modify them to not extend so much - best
application of Fowler flaps I've yet seen on any light aircraft! Some folks
really have ingenuity...

Keep well,

Hennie van Rooyen
South Africa

       "Roger that, Hennie.  My wife & I just flew our Challenger UL 
    to Oshkosh and back with 3 other Challengers.... had a ball!"

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