From: To: Subject: krnet Digest 3 Oct 2002 10:11:14 -0000 Issue 526 Date: Thursday, October 03, 2002 2:12 AM krnet Digest 3 Oct 2002 10:11:14 -0000 Issue 526 Topics (messages 12703 through 12719): Re: Plans built KR2S 12703 by: Jim Sellars VW 2180 12704 by: Justin Re: Gathering 2003 12705 by: Jerry L. Mahurin 12715 by: Jerry L. Mahurin Re: Virus and Spam Update 12706 by: Ron Eason Re: KR Newsletter CD 12707 by: Bryan and Avril Valentine 12709 by: Buddy & Cheryl 12711 by: Larry A. Capps KR2 fiberglass and 2400VW 12708 by: Justin 12710 by: Mark Jones 10/1/02 canopy update 12712 by: Edwin Blocher correction 12713 by: Edwin Blocher Corvairs in KRs 12714 by: Mark Langford Paging Ross Youngblood 12716 by: w.higdon.attbi.com 0200 average fuel consumption 12717 by: Rick Wilson Type 1 Vw Head temps 12718 by: Christine Coolidge Re: Molding Canopys 12719 by: Daniel Heath Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 09:10:20 -0300 To: "Justin" , From: "Jim Sellars" Subject: Re: KR> Plans built KR2S Message-ID: <001401c26943$8571aca0$0100a8c0@LAPTOP> Justin: I flew in one out of Lincoln Me. and with two aboard we were making 178 kt with throttle to spare. It had a 2180 VW and retractible gear with a great finish. Best regards Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 5:37 PM Subject: KR> Plans built KR2S Does anyone have a KR-2S or just a normal KR-2 that is plans built(not modified extremly) getting the claimed 180mph cruise speed? I called the company, they claim it plans built 180mph with the 2100 rev master motor, is that fiction or fact? Justin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 07:43:08 -0500 To: From: "Justin" Subject: VW 2180 Message-ID: <002201c26948$18b25f60$ed7ba8c0@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2691E.2F66D940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That engine is about 78HP. Jim you are saying you were running it wide = open but at what altitude? Does a VW care how hard you run it, a = lycoming doesn't mind so much simply because it is redlined at torque = peak. Does anyone have a corvair engine that is flying in a KR2? Or any other = auto engine converson BESIDES the subru? Justin Ordering plans to a KR2S (16 years old) ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C2691E.2F66D940-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 20:20:15 -0400 (EDT) To: patrick36@usfamily.net From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jerry_L._Mahurin?=" Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_KR>_Gathering_2003?= Message-ID: <1722.24.216.34.48.1033518015.squirrel@www.jerrymahurin.com> > I just read the comments about the new date for the 2003 gathering. I'd > like to see the last weekend of Aug. or the first weekend of Sept. > Pat Driscoll > > > > ------ http://USFamily.Net/info - Unlimited Internet - From $8.99/mo! > ------ These dates would fit my personal schedule better also.... I would vote for them.... if it comes up for a vote.... See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC email: KRJerry@jerrymahurin.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 10:18:50 -0400 (EDT) To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jerry_L._Mahurin?=" Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?RE:_KR>_Gathering_2003?= Message-ID: <47392.216.136.91.12.1033568330.squirrel@www.jerrymahurin.com> I don't think there are that many dove hunters in the U.S.....!! However we all have our priorities.......... > > Half the people in the US will be dove hunting on the first weekend in > Sept (that is opening weekend in most states). > > RG > -----Original Message----- > From: Jerry L. Mahurin [mailto:KRJerry@jerrymahurin.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 7:20 PM > To: patrick36@usfamily.net > Cc: krnet@mailinglists.org > Subject: Re: KR> Gathering 2003 > > >> I just read the comments about the new date for the 2003 gathering. > I'd >> like to see the last weekend of Aug. or the first weekend of Sept. >> Pat Driscoll >> > > > These dates would fit my personal schedule better also.... I would vote > for > them.... if it comes up for a vote.... > See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org > > Jerry Mahurin > Lugoff, SC > email: KRJerry@jerrymahurin.com See our KR2 at http://kr-builder.org Jerry Mahurin Lugoff, SC email: KRJerry@jerrymahurin.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 19:50:13 -0500 To: From: "Ron Eason" Subject: Fw: Virus and Spam Update Message-ID: <001e01c269ad$ab380870$18661e41@Administration> Thought I would pass this along. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kendra Customer Support" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:25 AM Subject: Virus and Spam Update > Kendra News is a broadcast news letter to Kendra Communications Customers > If you have received this Email in error, > please follow the link below to be removed- > ******************************************************************* > > New Virus - Bugbear > > The Bugbear virus began showing up yesterday. This virus can do a lot of > damage to your computer, and our anti-virus scanner started picking it out > around 9am 9/30/02. Because this virus forges the from and to email > addresses, like the Klez and Lentin viruses, we don't forward notifications > to our customers. There's no way of telling where they actually come from, > so the virus is just killed. For more information check > http://securityresponse.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/w32.bugbear@mm.html > > Customers who have a virus - > > First, don't fall into a sense of security because we've began filtering > viruses. These viruses can sneak in many ways besides your Email. Make > sure you have a anti-virus program installed on your computer, we recommend > Norton Anti-Virus 2002. > > If you are sending out a virus we will notify you by Email. Hopefully that > will be enough to get the problem resolved. We will call if the problem > persists, and, if the problem isn't resolved, we'll eventually shut off > your Email. So PLEASE if you get a Email notification or call from us > about sending out a virus, take care of the problem as fast as possible. > > Spam Filtering - > > The new Spam filter has been set to "attach" for the conditions we're > allowing it to catch. Attach means you'll get a Email that says "You have > Spam" with a link to check the Email. It will have the subject of the > Email, who it's from and what spam tests it failed. > > The old filters are still in place and we will be gradually removing those > as the week progresses. Thanks to those that gave us a heads up on mail > caught that wasn't spam so we could make the necessary adjustments. Bear > with us as we make this change, we're doing out best to make sure > everything gets through. Because of that, some Spam that wasn't getting > through before may be getting through now. We'll have the Email secured > again soon. > > > ******************************* > Kendra Customer Support > support@kendra.com > http://www.kendra.com > 425-397-7911 > 1-877-526-3490 > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:16:10 -0700 To: From: "Bryan and Avril Valentine" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD Message-ID: <001101c269b1$659b4e40$1229efcc@m3k1t8> Help !!!! I just got my Newsletter CD and it doesn't want to work I keep getting a message from Acrobat Reader 4.0 it states "There was an error opening this document. This viewer cannot decrypt this document". Can any one tell me what I'm doing wrong???? Thanks in advance Val (PS: obviously the explanation must be simple !!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:53:53 -0700 To: From: "Buddy & Cheryl" Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD Message-ID: <001701c269b6$90298640$1e02a8c0@WorkGroup> ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2697B.E365F900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I got mine I had the same problem, so I downloaded the latest = version, 5.0, of Acrobat , and then everything worked fine.=20 Bud Midkiff Lynnwood, WA ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Bryan and Avril Valentine=20 To: krnet@mailinglists.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:16 PM Subject: Re: KR> KR Newsletter CD Help !!!! I just got my Newsletter CD and it doesn't want to work I keep getting a message from Acrobat Reader 4.0 it states "There was an error opening this document. This viewer cannot decrypt = this document". Can any one tell me what I'm doing wrong???? Thanks in advance Val (PS: obviously the explanation must be simple !!!!!) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To post to the list, email: krnet@mailinglists.org , NOT "reply all" To UNsubscribe, e-mail: krnet-unsubscribe@mailinglists.org=20 For additional commands, e-mail: krnet-help@mailinglists.org See the KRNet archives at http://www.maddyhome.com/krsrch/index.jsp or http://www.bouyea.net/ for the Word files ------=_NextPart_000_0014_01C2697B.E365F900-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 22:23:16 -0500 To: "KR Builders List \(E-mail\)" From: "Larry A. Capps" Subject: KR Newsletter CD Message-ID: <000b01c269c3$0cc56f00$0200a8c0@schpankme> Hello KRNet, In order for the KR Newsletter CD to function properly, you will need to upgrade to the latest version (5.0) of Adobe Acrobat or Reader. Get Adobe Reader free at this URL: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep2.html Best Regards, Larry A. Capps KR Newsletter Naperville, IL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 18:35:09 -0500 To: From: "Justin" Subject: KR2 fiberglass and 2400VW Message-ID: <000a01c269a3$2e938240$77c61b42@socal.rr.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26979.459BE880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I understand the wings are fiberglass but what about the fuselage? I = know it is sheeted with plywood but is the fiberglass over that? Is anyone running a Type 4 2400CC VW engine? Is that engien able to = run auto gas? What kind of speed do you get with that motor? Justin ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26979.459BE880-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 21:18:46 -0500 To: From: "Mark Jones" Subject: Re: KR> KR2 fiberglass and 2400VW Message-ID: <00a701c269ba$0c7ac080$c5991f41@wi.rr.com> Justin, Great to have a young builder with us. I wish I had started building when I was 16 like you are. I did build a hang glider when I was 16 and thus a passion for flying was born. The fuselage is skinned in 3/32 mahogany plywood. The plans do not call for the fuselage to be glassed. This, however, has been a controversial subject for some time. Most builders do not glass the fuselage but the builders that do swear by it. It is personal a choice. If your plane is to see a lot of outdoor tiedown in the weather, then it might be advantageous. Personally, I do not feel it is necessary. I can not answer your engine questions as I am a Corvair engine madman but I am sure someone will jump in and help there. Again, welcome. Mark Jones (N886MJ) Wales, WI USA E-mail me at flykr2s@wi.rr.com Visit my KR-2S CorvAIRCRAFT web site at http://mywebpage.netscape.com/n886mj/homepage.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Justin" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 6:35 PM Subject: KR> KR2 fiberglass and 2400VW I understand the wings are fiberglass but what about the fuselage? I know it is sheeted with plywood but is the fiberglass over that? Is anyone running a Type 4 2400CC VW engine? Is that engien able to run auto gas? What kind of speed do you get with that motor? Justin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:34:56 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: 10/1/02 canopy update Message-ID: <007101c269cd$126953e0$0201a8c0@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C269A3.26E4A6A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I recieved the test canopy yesterday andhave it setting on my boat. As = soon as I get pictures to Mark L. tomorrow he said he will poat them to = the net for me. There is a side view and a rear view on my fuselage, a side view = overall, and a side view overall. Prices- $300.00 clear, $450.oo Gray tint. Shipping will be $40.00 to $110.00 depending on where you are located. It looks like it will fit a width of 41 1/4 " down to 36". At 42" wide = it is 18" high at the rear. Narrower will be taller. Overall lenght is 53". I think Todd told me a thickness of 3/16" but I will have to verify = that. Please go to Todds web site at kgarden.com/todd and look at his = guarantee and canopys for other airplanes. I have a commitment for 5 orders, 2 probable and 2 possible.=20 In a few days I will set a date for the group purchase lets say 10/15/02 = if that suits everyone, at which time I will need a check made out to = Todds Canopys sent to me in order to get the group purchase. As soon as Todd gets the money it sould only take afew days for him to = ship them. They will shipp AAA Cooper truck lines, freight collect. If = you do not have a buisness address for them to ship to you will have to = pick it up at the nearest terminal (I drove 50 miles to pick up the test = canopy. PLEASE CHECK OUT TODDS WEB SITE. ED. ED Blocher Santa Rosa Beach, FL eblocher@earthlink.net ------=_NextPart_000_006E_01C269A3.26E4A6A0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Oct 2002 23:58:42 -0500 To: "KRNet" From: "Edwin Blocher" Subject: correction Message-ID: <000b01c269d0$63255420$0201a8c0@computer> ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C269A6.7871B280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One of the side view overall should say side view with a piece of white = cord showin approx. where I will cut mine to fit the front deck. Ed ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C269A6.7871B280-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 07:10:26 -0500 To: From: "Mark Langford" Subject: Corvairs in KRs Message-ID: <001801c26a0c$b100b2c0$5e0ca58c@tbe.com> ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C269E2.C812DD00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Somebody asked if there were any Corvairs flying in KRs. There's one = out in California that's been flying since something like the 60's, and = more recently Steve Makish has been flying one. He started out with a = "high performance" version, bored out to 3100cc with 94mm VW = pistons/cylinders, but had valve train problems and has since reverted = to a 2700cc almost-stock version. He's the guy that I mentioned lost an = entire cylinder (valve train) and barely noticed it. Anyway, he emailed = me last night that he is flying again, which I've enclosed below... =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Just a quick note to let you know my plane is back in the air and flying = great with the 2700 cc engine. I cannot see any difference in power on = my plane. It turns up the same rpm and climbs out at 100 mph at 1000 fpm = and my plane weighs 800 lbs ! In the pattern at 1000 ft, wot, 3400 rpm = and close to 180 ind. Bob video taped some high speed passes at 100 ft = off runway and the speed was pushing 190 and I backed off to climb out. = Fuel burn appears to be 6.5 wot and 4.5-4.8 at 3100 rpm and ind 160. = Temps are all in the green. I have not made any longer flights, maybe = this weekend. There's more info on the Corvair at = http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford/corvair . Mark Langford, Huntsville, Alabama mailto:langford@hiwaay.net see KR2S project N56ML at http://home.hiwaay.net/~langford=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C269E2.C812DD00-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 20:21:22 +0000 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: w.higdon@attbi.com Subject: Paging Ross Youngblood Message-Id: <20021002202124.HCAW9928.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@rwcrwbc69> Will Ross Youngblood please contact me off the list? I have some questions I want to ask him. Thanks, Bill Higdon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:50:46 -0700 (PDT) To: KRNET@MAILINGLISTS.ORG From: Rick Wilson Subject: 0200 average fuel consumption Message-ID: <20021003005046.79430.qmail@web21207.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Is there anyone currently flying a kr2 with an 0200 that can tell me how many gallons per hour of fuel you normally use? Thanks in advance, Rick Wilson. rwdw2002@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:12:26 -0700 To: krnet@mailinglists.org From: Christine Coolidge Subject: Type 1 Vw Head temps Message-ID: <20021002.211227.-819993.0.USAUS@juno.com> All, Does anyone know what the operating head temp should be on a type 1 VW. I have just finished my air box (from GP plans). What is the normal operating range idle through 75% throttle? What is the red line? What kind of temps should i see on preflight run-ups? R/ Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 06:14:44 -0700 To: "Krnet@Mailinglists.Org" From: "Daniel Heath" Subject: RE: Molding Canopys Message-ID: ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26AA4.2AFBA1B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE:> How did you build your oven? What did you do to circulate the air? How did you distribute the heat from your heat source? What did you use as a heat source? Peter, First, you should look on the site and examine the pictures. I also have test run pictures that I can make available. I think the site will answer 90% of your questions. I like your heat source and probably would have used the same if it were readily available. That was my backup in case the Reddy heater did not work. The box is made of 1/2" chip board and is 5' L 2.5' W and 4' H. I have a door hinged on the front as you can see and I put a scrap piece of 3/16 Plexiglas on the inside and outside attached with silicone for a "thermo pane" window. The insulation material is 2' X 4' X 5/8" ceiling tile from Lowes at around $2 each and it took 8 of them. The entire inside of the box is insulated with the exception of the floor which is the concrete floor of my shop. You can see that the lower section is the "furnace" chamber. The end opposite the Reddy, has a single sheet of aluminum, you can use flashing, inserted in a semi circle and the rest of it is lined with aluminum sheet. I lined it just cause I had it, but the semi circle is used to cause the forced air to circulate. You will also see a small hole on the same end as the heater that will allow for air flow. Between the heating chamber and the "furnace" chamber, I put small wood slats that support a grate that is heavy rectangle wire fence. At first, I thought that would all I would need and that it would allow the heat to rise freely. It rose too freely on the left side by about 25 degrees, so I put a sheet of aluminum over 2/3 of the left side. Then I got a rage of hot air coming up over the right edge of that sheet, so I covered the entire grate with aluminum sheet leaving about 2" exposed on the back and front. I have two oven thermometers which I watch through the window. Now the temp rises almost the same on both sides. At around 200 deg, I turn off the Reddy to let the temps stabilize and keep turning it on and off to raise the temp evenly while the plastic forms itself. This entire heating process takes less than 15 minutes. The 3/16 Plexiglas starts to form at around 200 degrees, but won't really get going until about 225 and at 250 it is really drooping. I ran a test with some 1/8 and it really gets loose at 225. I will try to get the test pictures added to a separate page, sometime this week end and if you have any questions, please contact me. See ya in Red Oak --- 2003, Daniel R. Heath See our KR2 at: http://kr-builder.org See our EAA Chapter 242at: http://WWW.EAA242.ORG --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 9/19/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C26AA4.2AFBA1B0-- ------------------------------ End of krnet Digest ***********************************